View Full Version : Miyamoto spills some more beans....
triforcemario
21-08-2006, 09:55 AM
At the Neogaf forums, a member called Johnnyram has been nice enough to post and translate an interview with Shigeru Miyamoto done by Nintendo Dream:
Nindori: 10 years of Famicom and Super Famicom. 10 years of N64 and GC. And now another ten years is starting with Wii?
Miyamoto: Yes, we're starting from here.
N: Looking at the titles you've announced so far, it already seems like you'll be releasing games at a faster pace than the N64 and GC.
M: That's because the machine is based on GC. Dev tools are of course being upgraded, but GC code will basically run as is. Because of that, I'm also thinking I can remake some of my GC games for Wii, making use of the Wiimote.
N: So you think games will experience a rebirth thanks to the Wiimote...
M: Yes. Of course you can wander into a second hand shop and buy a lot of these games still, so I don't think we can release these Wiimakes at full price. Since a lot of the development cost has already been accounted for, we'll be able to release these at a much more affordable price. And if others also take advantage of this and release Wiimakes, there's a high possibility of a lot of software from third parties also.
N: So, there's a possibility of Nintendo doing this?
M: Yes, I strongly believe there is. For this reason, the next Zelda will be released for both Wii and GC simultaneously. It's quite an interesting experiment.
N: Ah, I see.
M: Also, when we were working on it, some of the staff were saying "Since the Wii has more power than the GC, let's polish the graphics up a bit too", but Zelda's fans aren't expecting polish, they're expecting a fun and exciting game, so I said it is better if we make it fun both on Wii and GC. And recently it's been established that "Wii is not a machine that tries to deliver next-gen graphics". Of course, since there are still games that demand high quality graphics, there will be separate paths of development depending on the software.
It appears that Nintendo will be remaking GC games for the Nintendo Wii... I could easily see games like Super Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin and perhaps The two Rouge Squadron games and Starfox Assault?
Interview link: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115439 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115439)
I don't like the idea, sorry!
I don't think i would buy a upgraded GC game with added Wii controls whatever the price.
I've actually played my GC games to death now, so i really doubt i would consider buying them again!
Unless they add ALOT of new stuff to each game, it's a no from me.
triforcemario
21-08-2006, 10:07 AM
I forgot to add that the wii-makes (as Miyamoto said) would be at a bargain bin price, and would be polished up.
I forgot to add that the wii-makes (as Miyamoto said) would be at a bargain bin price, and would be polished up.
no, you said that. :)
I just want more original games, and not remakes of games i've played to death.
mike-zim
21-08-2006, 10:16 AM
i would go for it. there are a few "big" games that i never played so i would love to buy a GC game that is more polished with Wii controls. love it.
triforcemario
21-08-2006, 10:21 AM
no, you said that. :)
Did I? Oh snap, so I did.
I would happily buy a Wiimake game, especially some which I haven't got, like Starfox Assault, and Pikmin 1+2, etc...
DiemetriX
21-08-2006, 10:22 AM
Damn! DAMN!
Now I have to buy the games again. Nintedo is so good at getting my money.
It's good news anyway you look at it. You don't have to buy the Wii-makes if you don't want to. I know I wan't some Wii-makes. Pikmin is a good eksampel.
mcj metroid
21-08-2006, 10:37 AM
.....ohh i don't know.id like to see some remakes of n64 games or some games that i havent played in a long time with improved graphics.
Id kill for an updated goldeneye but it probably will never happen
Marionette: Moved to Wii. Still in development?
what the hell is marionette?
knightendo
21-08-2006, 10:46 AM
as metroid said the idea of a wiimake of some older n64 games sounds good (since i missed out on that whole machine!), but personally i wouldn't buy GCN wiimakes, at least i don't think so. after all, the GBA remakes on DS with touch screen features bolted on never appealed.
/ nando /
21-08-2006, 11:04 AM
..could this at all tie in loosely with the blacked-out picture of Leon in Issue 6 of ONM.. maybe Resident Evil 4 is being set up to use Wii Controls..?
pokekid
21-08-2006, 11:05 AM
Either a Donkey Konga Wiimake or a brand new game.
Add MP3 support from SD card or Music downloads in a VC style service and it will be amazingly fun.
Also use the Wiimote/analogue combo as drumsticks!
Ten10
21-08-2006, 11:07 AM
I would buy a wii version of tales of symphonia collectors edition though
Mokong X-C
21-08-2006, 11:09 AM
It's an interesting idea, but i don't see whyt don't just put the money into making Wii-sequals of GC games, sure Luigis Mansion (for example) would be awesome with Wii Controls, but wouldn't it make more sense to make a Luigis Mansion 2?
I see RE4 was mentioned above, sure that would be GREAT with Wii controls BUT wouldn't RE5 or a new Wii exclusive RE game be better (perferably both)
Goron_3
21-08-2006, 11:11 AM
Luigi's mansion with the Wii-mote...OMFG !
Mokong X-C
21-08-2006, 11:12 AM
Marionette: Moved to Wii. Still in development?
what the hell is marionette?
Ah i remember that name, i think it was a game that was to introduce a "Mario Sister" named "Marionette"::shrug:
ultrajamie
21-08-2006, 11:14 AM
I don't like the idea, sorry!
I don't think i would buy a upgraded GC game with added Wii controls whatever the price.
I've actually played my GC games to death now, so i really doubt i would consider buying them again!
Unless they add ALOT of new stuff to each game, it's a no from me.
so you are not planning on buying zelda then?
Teppo Holmqvist
21-08-2006, 11:14 AM
I don't really see problem with upgraging GC games for Wii and releasing them as budget titles. Of course, we* wouldn't buy them, but for newbies that skipped whole GC that would be godsend. Plus some great GC games have been OOP for so long time that it is very hard to find them as new.
* GC users, that is
Rick Dangerous
21-08-2006, 11:25 AM
Are we sure this is 100% correct on the translation and he didnt mean use the the same engine to make new games like with the wii super moneky ball.
Plus why does he say we arent expecting polish on zelda!?! Im sure as hell am for a game that should have been out a year ago.
Goron_3
21-08-2006, 11:30 AM
For those who don't know what Marionette is, check out this Link:
http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=239
The Wii controls would be SO perfect for this game :D
mcj metroid
21-08-2006, 11:31 AM
so you are not planning on buying zelda then?
tp is not a remake of a gamecube game!
if thats what u were talking about
this would be a good idea if the wii really sells!There are so many gamers that never experienced the joys of mant gamecube classics it isn't funny
WelshDragon360
21-08-2006, 12:40 PM
I quite like this idea. As it's already been said, Luigi's Mansion with the Wiimote would be absolutely killer! Super Mario Sunshine would be interesting too.
Aslong as they're cheap and the new tech is used well, I have no problem buying them.
DanielTimothy
21-08-2006, 01:19 PM
New games please. I think the vitual console and being able to play GC discs is enough. Shigsy put your efforts into something new!
Tellyn
21-08-2006, 01:30 PM
I love the idea of budget GC titles. I only got a few GC games because I can't afford 40 quid a pop. Imagine the Wind Waker with Wii controls, sailing might actually be fun with the Wiimote! Sword swings and combos, they can only make it better. I wonder if, with Zelda Twilight Princess nearing finished, they'll make that the collector's edition bonus disc...
Shino
21-08-2006, 02:00 PM
I think it's a nice idea as long as they don't abuse it, every one remembers those long months of suffering with out games in this generation, so if they fill them with extended remakes from the GameCube and N64, and at a lower price it's a win-win situation.
blender
21-08-2006, 02:04 PM
surely ninty could make a downloadable patch to add wii capability to Gamecube games.
Personally, i wouldnt bother. But there are going to be a lot of people new to nintendo and this make some $$$.
In terms of polish, I doubt there will be anything too significant. Zelda Ocrina on time was polished well on the GC remake. I just dont think the wii is going to have much more power to add much to the already highly polished gamecube games.
Remake Doshin and Mario Tennis though!
Tellyn
21-08-2006, 02:10 PM
Why remake Mario Tennis when Camelot can make another? It took long enough for Mario Tennis to come out for the GC!
Hellfire
21-08-2006, 02:25 PM
It's not like they'll make full remakes, they just have to make some slight changes. But it would benice if you could download them as an add on of sorts, cause I don't feel like buying the same games twice.
Glad I'm not the only one who'd prefer Nintendo to spend their time making brand new titles rather than remaking other ones. Sure, Luigi's Mansion was good, and Pikmin 2 was great, but there's no way I'd buy a wii-make just so I could control Luigi's torch / Olimar's cursor a little more precisely with the Wii controller. I certainly would buy brand new sequels to these games, though, if they were specifically designed for the wiimote.
DiemetriX
21-08-2006, 02:44 PM
I think a lot of people skipped the cube. And Wii-makes is a great idea. This is a great idea which puts more great games in the hands of casual gamers etc.
djamb3
21-08-2006, 02:46 PM
Don't forget those people could play the GC versions in wii...
I don't want any remake, but games made around the wiimote...
DiemetriX
21-08-2006, 02:54 PM
Alltough you have a valid point, most old cube games are hard to get. Yes they could order from nett, but few casuals do. Wii-releasing games will make sure new people get their hands on them. I too would rather see new games. But I'm sure It's not that costly to remake the games. They are basicly just adding new controlls.
PioRow
21-08-2006, 03:01 PM
The comment about Zelda worried me. It sounds like they havent really beefed up the graphics for the Wii version. It sounds like they have put all the effort into make the control method for the wii as good as possible. While this is good news for gameplay and wont matter in the long term the casual gamer will see the wii version looking exactly the same as the GC version which isnt exactly good publicity.
With the Wii-makes of GC games it sounds like nintendo have been quite clever with the Wii architecture. I think all the Wii is is a higher spec GC in the same way that a new PC from 2006 is a higher spec than a 2002 PC but if you got a game released in 2002 it would still work on your 2006 PC. What nintendo are allowing developers to do is take the source code for a game cube game, port it to your Wii dev kit, rewrite the control method and then recompile the source to become a Wii game. A relatively pain free short exercise. Whether its a good idea or not for gamers I dont quite know. I can only think of a few games that would really benefit from the new wii control method. As has been said I would rather see a new Luigis mansion created specifically for the Wii than the GC version recompiled with Wii controls.
I think nintendo are being very clever with the Wii by allowing it to play gc games directly, older console games via the VC and now recompiled GC games, the Wii will have a huge catalogue of games from the get go. But the games I really want to play are Wii spefic games and it has plenty of those as well. Its win win on the Wii!!!
mcj metroid
21-08-2006, 03:07 PM
i think when wii is launched nintendo should release a HUGE gamecube players choice and launch it around the wii.Wouln't it look nice to see mario party,mario sunshine,f zeromwind waker and double dash launched with the wii as a low budget price!Especially if u cant even even buy the games without going on line anymore(well where i live u cant anyway)
As diemetrix said a lot of poeple skipped the cube!
DiemetriX
21-08-2006, 03:11 PM
The comment about Zelda worried me. It sounds like they havent really beefed up the graphics for the Wii version.
They have said it many times. Zelda TP on Wii wil not be graphicaly superior. It wil be the same game with Wii mote and 16:9 Widescreen suport.
Gaijin von Snikbah
21-08-2006, 03:36 PM
Unless its Super Extra Cool Special Remake, Im not buying it.
so you are not planning on buying zelda then?
Zelda (if you mean Twilight Princess) is a brand new Zelda though isn't it? Newly released for Wii and GC on the same-day!
Even if they remake Ocarina Of Time with just added wii-controls...i doubt i'll buy it.
I like the idea of Donkey Konga being re-released as a drum game...with two wii-motes BUT that should be a brand new Wii game anyway!
Not for me sadly. I maybe sold in the future but unless they add LOADS of brand new levels etc...i doubt i'll buy any re-made GC game (unless i have never owned the GC game).
Phube
21-08-2006, 03:50 PM
This needs to be Wii-made... even though tecnically it was never a GC game!
Burnout 3!!!
Becuase of the on-line policy one of the best racers ever (so I've been told, and Burnout 2 was fantastic) never came to GC. I don't even want it to be Wiimote compatible. Just the game as it was on XBox pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!!!
This needs to be Wii-made... even though tecnically it was never a GC game!
Burnout 3!!!
Becuase of the on-line policy one of the best racers ever (so I've been told, and Burnout 2 was fantastic) never came to GC. I don't even want it to be Wiimote compatible. Just the game as it was on XBox pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!!!
Your wish may come true! ;)
McMad
21-08-2006, 04:07 PM
If they re-release Star Fox Assault with on-line multiplayer and co-op which can also be online then i'll spend £100.
DiemetriX
21-08-2006, 04:09 PM
I think we will get a new Burnout. It will be announced at LGC.
Jamba
21-08-2006, 04:17 PM
There are very few games that I would spend any more than about £5 new if I didn't have them already. With some thinking and some experience with the controller, I think devs could churn out these new versions in a matter of 2 months maybe less. I can see these being expensive simply due to the packaging and so on, not the actual development costs.
One I would like to see wii-made though is the PoP series. Sword fighting with the remote would be great, along with Soul Calibur 2 in all.
BeerMonkey
21-08-2006, 04:26 PM
they should consentrate on making NEW games not making remakes of games that most of us have played :/
as long as they keep the good pace up with the new games i dont mind but please ninty dont slow down on the new games yea
Pit-Jr
21-08-2006, 04:36 PM
Id like to give a big HELL NO to this idea. Im ok with the Wii being graphically inferior to the competition, but please Nintendo, dont cultivate the idea of shoveling old GC games back on the shelves. Third parties shouldnt have to compete with budget titles that have already been sold once, and they may even decide to do ''Wii-makes'' (i already hate that word) in place of making new games. Nintendo, is in effect, endorsing laziness.
''New-Generation'' huh....
Tellyn
21-08-2006, 04:40 PM
I think this will be a Summer months thing when there's hardly any games. I heard the broadband adapter won't work on the Wii, so maybe Sega could just port the three Phantasy Star Onlines (1 and 2 Plus and everything) and make it Wi-Fi compatible. No extras (except maybe a few in-game bonuses). They could do this for StarFox Assault as has been suggested, Pikmin 2 (and possibly bundle with a single player redone Pikmin 1), Mario Kart Double Dash (like online DS version), Zelda Four Swords (simply because it will cost less without having to buy loads of leads, friends and GBAs) and probably many others.
Edit: Maybe there will a Nintendo website where you buy these games instead of other games competing against re-makes in stores.
Phube
21-08-2006, 05:12 PM
Your wish may come true! ;)
Intruiging!!..
Innovance
21-08-2006, 05:23 PM
With the Wii-makes of GC games it sounds like nintendo have been quite clever with the Wii architecture. I think all the Wii is is a higher spec GC in the same way that a new PC from 2006 is a higher spec than a 2002 PC but if you got a game released in 2002 it would still work on your 2006 PC. What nintendo are allowing developers to do is take the source code for a game cube game, port it to your Wii dev kit, rewrite the control method and then recompile the source to become a Wii game. A relatively pain free short exercise. Whether its a good idea or not for gamers I dont quite know. I can only think of a few games that would really benefit from the new wii control method. As has been said I would rather see a new Luigis mansion created specifically for the Wii than the GC version recompiled with Wii controls.
I think nintendo are being very clever with the Wii by allowing it to play gc games directly, older console games via the VC and now recompiled GC games, the Wii will have a huge catalogue of games from the get go. But the games I really want to play are Wii spefic games and it has plenty of those as well. Its win win on the Wii!!!
Agreed. I have to question the use of the word remake, as the process apparently outlined suggests that rerelease or updates (in the control sense) maybe more appropriate terms.
The appeal of this idea though is pretty much the same as the VC, developers (in theory) should have already got the returns on their initial investments, so for a minimal investment (the cost of updating the controls, and republishing the game etc) developers can release budget titles which should have higher profit potential.
While a sequel or original game is obviously more desirable for the gamer, this path is probably a ver desirable one for developers and publishers as an added source of funding for other titles/risk reduction.
As poeple have already pointed out there are some great advantages to be being able to rerelease GC games in this way. But there are also some disadvantages especially where greedy publishers are concerned but i hope nintendo will keep that under control.
Also can i ask what people mean when they talk about games competing with each other. It really doesnt make sense to me
Teppo Holmqvist
21-08-2006, 05:52 PM
Id like to give a big HELL NO to this idea. Im ok with the Wii being graphically inferior to the competition, but please Nintendo, dont cultivate the idea of shoveling old GC games back on the shelves.
Well, Sony was publishing PSOne Platinum games during first four years of PS2's lifetime and you can be pretty sure that they will do same thing with PS2 games when PS3 is out. Microsoft is publishing 9 £ "Best of the Platinum" titles for Xbox / Xbox 360. Nintendo is basically doing same thing except that they also add some extra value to their classics range.
knightendo
21-08-2006, 06:20 PM
Well, Sony was publishing PSOne Platinum games during first four years of PS2's lifetime and you can be pretty sure that they will do same thing with PS2 games when PS3 is out. Microsoft is publishing 9 £ "Best of the Platinum" titles for Xbox / Xbox 360. Nintendo is basically doing same thing except that they also add some extra value to their classics range.
i can see your point, IF it is marketed correctly it may work. i just hope lazy developers don't try this, then when they remake a cube game but don't offer much to us and we don't buy it i hope they don't decide to abandon Wii, like companies like Midway did when we all refused to buy their lazy ps2 ports of medicre games they blamed the cube, remember?
it could be a good idea to have an official line-up of wii-makes endorsed by nintendo that third party developers could release thru, with similar packaging etc etc. that way it looks like a little side-line to the main games to the casual gamer and they won't be left thinking that they are being fobbed off. did that make sense?
as for burnout three, we'll be getting a new game i'd say, and if it was remade why not use the controller? what would be the point of an exact copy of the xbox version over that - none!
a lot of the games mentioned here should get proper sequels (donkey konga, mario games, luigi's mansion, star fox etc etc) and with games like star fox coming out for DS i somehow think one is in the pipeline for Wii too to take full advantage of it.
some games, however, specifically from the N64 (goldeneye anyone?) would benefit from maybe the original being available thru VC and a wii-make (controls, and maybe hi-res) available in the stores for a little more. Cube games wise, i'd say those more obscure titles that you can't get anymore, or maybe those not brought over from japan, but the mainstream games from ninty and 3rd parties should be getting proper sequels instead of lazy remakes.
oh, and Wii LOZ also supports progressive scan unlike the cube version.
Tellyn
21-08-2006, 06:32 PM
it could be a good idea to have an official line-up of wii-makes endorsed by nintendo that third party developers could release thru, with similar packaging etc etc. that way it looks like a little side-line to the main games to the casual gamer and they won't be left thinking that they are being fobbed off. did that make sense?
Not at all my friend. :p
Teppo Holmqvist
21-08-2006, 06:37 PM
it could be a good idea to have an official line-up of wii-makes endorsed by nintendo that third party developers could release thru, with similar packaging etc etc.
I'm pretty sure that Wiimakes will be released under new brand and Nintendo controls what games will get budget releases. In addition that it allows Nintendo to control quality, it also benefits 3rd parties, because Nintendo prints, distributes, and market games (3rd parties save lots of money as a result of this).
starwaster
21-08-2006, 06:46 PM
So nice to see Nintendo listening about the sword swing. Time to look even more like a fool hurry.
knightendo
21-08-2006, 07:07 PM
I'm pretty sure that Wiimakes will be released under new brand and Nintendo controls what games will get budget releases. In addition that it allows Nintendo to control quality, it also benefits 3rd parties, because Nintendo prints, distributes, and market games (3rd parties save lots of money as a result of this).
never thought of it that way. you're very right of course... hmm... ok my opinion of wiimakes is changing now... ;) :D
Jamba
21-08-2006, 07:16 PM
Yeah that's all good, but often publishers own the rights to games and few of them are going to be willing to let Ninty get their share of the money. That is unless they can get a cut of it too at the same time but still.
Does anybody else see this topic mainly as something to worry about rather than something which is bad? I personally am "the more the merrier" but I also know how silly and over excited Nintendo can get about the wrong things (GBA connectivity?)
xernobyl
21-08-2006, 07:22 PM
I'm not a real fan of remakes. But you know that some great gamecube titles are real hard to find! If that helps me finding things I've missed then let them come.
Yay! Swinging!
Dcubed
21-08-2006, 07:23 PM
These "wiimakes" will probably be done like the Player's Choice selection. A series of GCN games ported to the Wii for a budget price and with extra Wii controls. Think of these as like Devil May Cry 3 Special Edition (Where the budget "Greatest Hits" release added many extras), except instead of extras in the game, you have additional Wiimote controls.
This is a way for Ninty to keep the GCN games on the shelves for people (Who missed out on the GCN) to have another chance to play these games without resorting to second hand games. It's particularily good for non gamers who have just jumped into gaming as they are very unlikely to go hunting on ebay for all the GCN games they missed out on but may want to try out the GCN games they've never played if they see them on the shelves for a budget price (Probably the same price as the PLayer's Choice selection)
Add in the Wiimote controls for non gamers who don't like traditional controllers and those who want a new way of playing all the GCN games they love and you're onto a winner. Graphics will probably not be touched but widescreen support is a possiblity I reckon.
Personally I think it's a great idea! Market them as classic GCN games under Player's Choice and sell them for the same price as the Player's Choice games and it's a keeper. Metroid Prime 1 and 2 are pretty much confirmed already since the very first Wii game that was shown off to the press behind doors was actually a version of Metroid Prime 2 with Wiimote controls. If they put Luigi's Mansion and RE4 under this new brand I would splooge myself!
kiwikid
21-08-2006, 09:14 PM
I can see both positives and negatives sides to this idea. Nintendo are very cunning at milking their games and hardware and squeezing more money out of us. Nintendo really need to start thinking about what they are doing and do it right first time instead of updating everything partway through it's life cycle. Gameboy to Gameboy colour (there was a long time between both however)
Gameboy Advance to Gameboy Advance SP
Nintendo DS to Nintendo DS Lite.
N64 to N64 with expansion pack
Now updates of already existing games with motion controls.
I for one am sick and tired of forking out twice for essentially the same product when they should have got it right the first time. I am also getting angrier with the whole Zelda TP debarcle. The GC version should have been released already in my opinion.
I love you Ninty but sometimes you make me sooooo mad!!
Does anyone else feel the same?
knightendo
21-08-2006, 09:53 PM
I can see both positives and negatives sides to this idea. Nintendo are very cunning at milking their games and hardware and squeezing more money out of us. Nintendo really need to start thinking about what they are doing and do it right first time instead of updating everything partway through it's life cycle. Gameboy to Gameboy colour (there was a long time between both however)
Gameboy Advance to Gameboy Advance SP
Nintendo DS to Nintendo DS Lite.
N64 to N64 with expansion pack
Now updates of already existing games with motion controls.
I for one am sick and tired of forking out twice for essentially the same product when they should have got it right the first time. I am also getting angrier with the whole Zelda TP debarcle. The GC version should have been released already in my opinion.
I love you Ninty but sometimes you make me sooooo mad!!
Does anyone else feel the same?
nope, coz they never force you to spend your money.
and they can hardly have "done it right first time" with the GCN games since there was no Wii back then, but i get ur point but it's a little unfair to blame them for u spending so much money. as technologies improve it's obvious companies will release newer versions of their products, not just in videogames hardware!! it's up to you whether you want to be them or not.
as for these games, this idea is more for casual gamers and newbies... after all let's face it the ps2 and xbox games will still have shelf space (well, the xbox not for much longer i'd say) whereas the cube does not, so having a backwards compatible machine would be pointless if these games weren't available.
kiwikid
21-08-2006, 10:33 PM
Actually it was a bit premature of me to say that they are forcing me to buy twice for the same product when in fact I don't even own a DS and only bought a Game boy Advance SP (second hand no less). But I feel sorry for the real hard core gamer who has forked out twice for these products when I feel that if they thought of the improvements first then people wouldn't feel like they have been short changed. I guess I'm just a tight-arse
Blue_Ninja0
21-08-2006, 11:11 PM
The port games with the Wii features will probably not be very stellar anyway. Except for TP.
They'r just making quick cash. I hope they'r really cheap.
knightendo
21-08-2006, 11:21 PM
Actually it was a bit premature of me to say that they are forcing me to buy twice for the same product when in fact I don't even own a DS and only bought a Game boy Advance SP (second hand no less). But I feel sorry for the real hard core gamer who has forked out twice for these products when I feel that if they thought of the improvements first then people wouldn't feel like they have been short changed. I guess I'm just a tight-arse
this is just a way of keeping the backwards compatibility thing running. yes they're not 100% GCN games either but it means a player's choice range can exist, at the moment GCN games are rarer than hen's teeth in the shops.
and don't feel sorry, if people wana buy the newer version of a piece of hardware it is up to them. i bought a GBA, an SP and a micro. i bought a DS then traded in my micro against a DS lite, and i'm not complaining in the slightest. i doubt anyone was feeling sorry for themselves when they bought an SP or a DS Lite for example, because they had chosen to do so. and if they had thought of the improvements first and they were possible, further ones woulda appeared by now anyway.
same goes for PC's, televisions, DVD players, microwaves, radios, anything electrical, even cars!
kiwikid
22-08-2006, 12:23 AM
I know that electronics get beefed up all the time. DVD players etc. get new models every year by their respective manufactureres but in the case of gaming and particularly Nintendo I have noticed a trend of re-releases of sorts. A console should last 5 years without the need for upgraded models. The PS2 went slimline which I guess was a upgrade of sorts. Have any other console manufacturers done the same sort of thing. I'm probably just ranting now without making my point clear enough. Someone set me straight on this as it's doing my head in. Ta.
DiemetriX
22-08-2006, 06:48 AM
after all let's face it the ps2 and xbox games will still have shelf space (well, the xbox not for much longer i'd say) whereas the cube does not, so having a backwards compatible machine would be pointless if these games weren't available.
Very good point ;)
Teppo Holmqvist
22-08-2006, 08:30 AM
Yeah that's all good, but often publishers own the rights to games and few of them are going to be willing to let Ninty get their share of the money. That is unless they can get a cut of it too at the same time but still.
That's how the budget titles work. Sony / Microsoft / Nintendo buy distribution rights for the game and sells it as a budget game. And believe me, 3rd party companies are paid well* to have their games in budget range.
* Especially when you consider that game turns into budget title very late durings its lifetime. Most of the players that wanted title have already bought it, so game company doesn't really have anything to "lose".
Patch
22-08-2006, 09:13 AM
Nindori: 10 years of Famicom and Super Famicom. 10 years of N64 and GC. And now another ten years is starting with Wii?
Miyamoto: Yes, we're starting from here.
I love the way they have made a subtle attempt to ask if there will be another console after the Wii. Not sure about Miyamoto's answer though.
ViPeR
22-08-2006, 09:38 AM
Remake 1080 and i'm sold. Only reason I didn't get it was because it was essentially an N64 remake.
myster0n
22-08-2006, 09:58 AM
Remake 1080 and i'm sold. Only reason I didn't get it was because it was essentially an N64 remake.
That .... doesn't really make sense.
Jamba
22-08-2006, 10:35 AM
Give me SSX3 baby (or just SSX4?)
DiemetriX
22-08-2006, 11:21 AM
I only want Nintendo and capcom remakes.
killer7 remake *Drool*
Stefkov
22-08-2006, 11:55 AM
f-zero remake? i never got it for the cube. i suppose it is only a tenner, so i oculd get it, but with wii controls you can feel like your actually bashing them off the course.
or just another f-zero game.
i wouldnt be surprised if they did all these mario sports game, golf, tennis, sure theyve done wiisports, but these would be good with these controls.
DiemetriX
22-08-2006, 12:18 PM
i wouldnt be surprised if they did all these mario sports game, golf, tennis, sure theyve done wiisports, but these would be good with these controls.
*drool*
Makeing a Wii-make will probably just take a couple of months compared to makeing a new game which takes more than a year.
Stefkov
22-08-2006, 12:29 PM
*drool*
Makeing a Wii-make will probably just take a couple of months compared to makeing a new game which takes more than a year.
Exactly, then with it being a Wii title they could even have wiiconnect24 connected to it, so they could release updates for it, only minor ones, like an added character which people had requested in a poll.
or new courses for mario tennis or golf. etc. so much they could do with current titles like these which other peope may not have played.
Mr. Bananagrabber
22-08-2006, 01:37 PM
Surely this undermines everything Nintendo have claimed about games being completely different and Revolutionary on the Wii?
I mean, rereleasing old games with minor changes, what the fuck are they thinking?
pedrocasilva
22-08-2006, 01:56 PM
I only want Nintendo and capcom remakes.
killer7 remake *Drool*remaping the keys to play with the wiimote would be enough, no need to re-release it, and basically turn the original into a "crappy", inferior version.
knightendo
22-08-2006, 03:49 PM
Surely this undermines everything Nintendo have claimed about games being completely different and Revolutionary on the Wii?
I mean, rereleasing old games with minor changes, what the fuck are they thinking?
i'm inclined to agree. yes we need a rerelease of cube games for a player's choice sorta collection, after all what's the point in having the capability if new gamers can't get a hold of these titles? i've been swinging back and forth in this argument, and i'm inclined to think now that yes, it DOES go against everything nintendo are doing with Wii. If they are talking one or two games a la Super Mario 64 DS then that is OK, but other than that no, this is a bad bad bad idea!! concentrate on new games miyamoto!
all the games mentioned here that people want should be getting full-on Wii sequels at some point, not cheap rehashes!!
sure, release a lot of the cube games again as part of some "play cube on your Wii" player's choice range, and make them actually available in the shops, but just make either the classic or gamecube controllers the options available. retooling these games for Wii makes it look like a cheap cash-in. and a lot of them simply won't work!! one example is sunshine. eh? if that could easily be redone, then why make galaxy so different around the controller? sunshine wouldn't work, simple as that!
Tellyn
22-08-2006, 04:27 PM
You do realise that Miyamoto and all the other Nintendo developers will hand the games over to other companies if it's just control method change, so that new games can be made. Miyamoto probably won't have a hand in it at all.
pedrocasilva
22-08-2006, 04:58 PM
You do realise that Miyamoto and all the other Nintendo developers will hand the games over to other companies if it's just control method change, so that new games can be made. Miyamoto probably won't have a hand in it at all.I dread to think how it'll be when EA learns of this....
EA's Wii launch-window line-up:
Fifa 2002
Fifa 2003
Fifa 2004
Fifa 2005
Fifa 2006
Fifa 2007
hell... 6 titles... knowing EA they might even bundle them and make 2 triologies while they're are at it.
Mr. Bananagrabber
22-08-2006, 08:35 PM
You do realise that Miyamoto and all the other Nintendo developers will hand the games over to other companies if it's just control method change, so that new games can be made. Miyamoto probably won't have a hand in it at all.
So what? Nintendo will still be shooting themselves in the foot.
Some step forward isn't it? 5 year old games being re-released! It's revolutionary! :rolleyes:
Teppo Holmqvist
23-08-2006, 07:55 AM
Some step forward isn't it? 5 year old games being re-released! It's revolutionary! :rolleyes:
Yeah, that basically explains why most people are excited for possibility of re-release of 10 years old game (Final Fantasy VII, that is). :)
DiemetriX
28-08-2006, 09:56 AM
Metal gear solid tWiin snakes!!!
:yay:
MunKy
28-08-2006, 10:01 AM
You know what I would have loved? Super Mawiio Allstars. The VC has killed this though.
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