Revolution hardware - the real revolution

[pulipinty]

Hello.

I work for a UK based developer. I have some news for you guys, probably very good news. According to my sources, an agreement was made between IBM and Nintendo. IBM wants to join the console business, formerly they wanted to do that with Apple, but Apple agreed with Intel, so they have chosen Nintendo instead. They have all the money they need (the funny thing is, they have a shitload of money because MS have ordered lots of very expensive PPC processors from IBM to be used in XBOX360), and the state-of-the-art technology (which is Cell, of course).

The previous rumors on this board about Nintendo inventing something, a way to developed amazing visuals with much lower specs and costs compared to the PS3 is somewhat true. In fact they did not "invent" anything, they will use ray-tracing for graphics, that's it. The hardware of Revo (the name of the console is in fact 'Nintendo Blue') will be far superior to that of the PS3. The PS3 and XBOX360 are more than obsolete compared to the new Nintendo.

[knightendo]

then why has iwata-san not even mentioned that it'll be more powerful, he wouldn't be giving away any secrets by just saying that! but all he's said is it'll be somewhat "similar"...

this better not be a joke... i'll be heartbroken... ;)

[david.dakota]

http://www.wholewheatradio.org/houseconcerts/images/Building%20The%20Wheat%20Hall/Mr%20-%20Monkey%20moved%204%20of%20the%20logs%20by%20him self%20-%20In%20his%20work%20clothes.JPG

A monkeys uncle.

[demonmike04]

What on earth...Nintendo have already stated it will be less powerful! If it made PS3 obsolete, there is no chance in hell it could be cheaper than both of the other consoles.

[knightendo]

What on earth...Nintendo have already stated it will be less powerful! If it made PS3 obsolete, there is no chance in hell it could be cheaper than both of the other consoles.

when did they say it'll be less powerful?? that's suicide!

[demonmike04]

when did they say it'll be less powerful?? that's suicide!
Suicide? They've done it before. Its not all about power.
Atleast back your claims up, but then again, i forgot to back mine up too..

It was in an IGN interview with a member of NOA a few days after revo's E3 revealing, they stated they will make a less powerful system so it will be quiet, energy efficient and not as expensive.

Now, may you back your claim that it will be suicide for Nintendo to do that? If not, im guessing your one of those morons which realy on power and graphics, forgetting theres a revolutionary controller.

Nintendo's goal is to attract new and ex video game players, not to make a powerful system.

[Pestneb]

The hardware of Revo (the name of the console is in fact 'Nintendo Blue')

Nintendo Blue? Blue?
1) I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo had yet to decide 100% on the final name.
2) "Nintendo are releasing the Blue in Red, green, silver, white and black"
yes that works. a black blue, or a white blue. perhaps in the future they will release a blue blue?
3)I'm a relative of Iwata's, and I don't think the revolutions final name will be "blue"

[Konfucius]

No offence but I'm a little suspicious about your credibility since there are so many "Ex-Nintendo employees" that reveal things about the Revo in their blogs.

I read and saw some ingame footage in Gamestar about a German student who modified Quake 3 to support Raytracing and he needed 20 PC with about 3 GHz Intel or AMD (not sure) processors to run it with a decent framerate, so I doubt the Revo is capable of this (however the architecture of the PC processors wasn't optimized for Raytracing)

[demonmike04]

No offence but I'm a little suspicious about your credibility since there are so many "Ex-Nintendo employees" that reveal things about the Revo in their blogs.

I read and saw some ingame footage in Gamestar about a German student who modified Quake 3 to support Raytracing and he needed 20 PC with about 3 GHz Intel or AMD (not sure) processors to run it with a decent framerate, so I doubt the Revo is capable of this (however the architecture of the PC processors wasn't optimized for Raytracing)
Well this guy has said it all, none of these so called 'ex-employees' have been true (well actualy one was, with the Nintendo Nitro spec sheet), plus if they were all true, Nintendo must get alot of crap employee's :grin:
EDIT: The guy mentioned he was a UK based developer, so that kinda messes up my post. Either way, i doubt any of this is true. Like i said, only one rumour about nintendo consoles was true, and that was the Nitro (DS) spec sheet.

[Demuwan]

What a liar. Most of the things you just said was just wishfull thinking on your part. Please do not waste our time.

[Cheapshot]

Not that I believe it or anything but it's possible right?

8 Cell chips; what am I talking about?! Balony!! >_<

25GB "holographic" memory?! T_T

[Calibur]

Hmmmmm.... Interesting to say the least

[triforce_keeper]

yeh.......what ever lol I would like it but Im not really bothered about the graphics as long as its speedy im fine with it!!!

[Sooj]

Nintendo Blue? hmmm Blue Light?

Could "Nintendo Blue" not just be the initial codename or something?

I find you post pulipinty somewhat plausible yet I can't believe it 100% but still, nice read; pretty interesting.

[Cheapshot]

This is ridiculous!! 8 Cells?! 25GB memory?! All this junk and the console would cost around £3000+

Nintendo Blue? T_T

[zoramon089]

You guys heard wrong. He never said the Revolution wasn't less powerful, he just said on paper it would look less powerful. What i mean is that the specs might be lower but the system will still be powerful. Like how the GC specs are lower than the Xbox's yet many ppl say the graphics are almost the same

[system_error]

LOL. That is so funny ... is there no rule that people without sufficient technical background are not allowed to make post a la "I work as an developer for in <insert country> and I know that <insert company> works on <insert totally stupid technical blabla> for <insert another company>"


Raytracer, Holographic, 25GB, ... go to college - finish it and then you can make up believable fake news.

Ah before I forget IBM wants to enter the console business and develops <same insane technology you entered before> for Nintendo? Do you know that IBM makes some good money with CPUs for Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony? Why for gods sake should they just go with Nintendon alone?

[Wesley]

Alright then.

I'll take your word for it, complete-stranger-on-an-internet-forum.

[Tyson]

Nintendo Blue? hmmm Blue Light?

Could "Nintendo Blue" not just be the initial codename or something?



You mean N5? I believe that was the first codename.

[gorrit]

Wow, there is much bull*beep* in the first post that it would make 99% of all the other fakers blush.

[demonmike04]

Lmao, maybe Nintny said revolution will be cheaper than both of the best PS3 and 360 sets put together? Coz that'l certainly be true if this is real.

Gd luck with your bull s*** elsewere, coz no one here has bought it.

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

If this is true. I will explode. Seriously.

[Meo]

Ehhh...hummm... I really don't know what to think about this. Despite beeing a interesting, VERY interesting idea, I don't really think that Nintendo has adopted such a form of rendering. For those who want to see what ray-tracing is capable of, check out this image:

http://www.povray.org/i/hof/DistantShores.jpg

And for those who want to know more about this, go HERE (http://www.siggraph.org/education/materials/HyperGraph/raytrace/rtrace0.htm)

This is a very heavy process for even top-notch CPU's, and although I believe that in time processors will be able to run smoothly this applications, I find it a VERY remote chance that a console utilises such based operations.

Just my 2 cents, though :D

[gorrit]

Yeah, sure, raytracing looks great, but there are like zero GPUs that can handle it etc, making it dead slow. I don't think we will use raytracing in realtime anytime soon, or even ever, we will probably use "hacks" that'll look just as nice but be much faster.

[Meo]

Yeah, sure, raytracing looks great, but there are like zero GPUs that can handle it etc, making it dead slow. I don't think we will use raytracing in realtime anytime soon, or even ever, we will probably use "hacks" that'll look just as nice but be much faster.

Yes, you do have a point. Probably they will discover another trick to render similar graphics, but still this is the most accurate technique to render more realistic graphics,and the most simple, as far as my knowledge goes, since it is a very straight forward technique. I don't think GPU's are the main problem here, since ray-tracing depends heavily on CPU-based calculations and ram to calculate and render those accurate shadows and lightning effects.

[tocom11]

Nintendo Blue? Blue?
1) I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo had yet to decide 100% on the final name.
2) "Nintendo are releasing the Blue in Red, green, silver, white and black"
yes that works. a black blue, or a white blue. perhaps in the future they will release a blue blue?
3)I'm a relative of Iwata's, and I don't think the revolutions final name will be "blue"
now whos lying??????????????????? :wtf:

[gaggle64]

As for the original post - I'm really not convinced. If the Revo really could outdo xbox and Sony at a fraction of the cost, that would be like a dream come true. And there is the problem - it's probably still just a DREAM! Although I believe Iwata when he says that Revo graphics will at least be comprable to rival-consoles graphics (which I actually doubt will be as good as "seen" at E3 - see below)

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-09-12&res=l

[Ginger_Chris]

Actually, I'm a phyics student at uni and we get loads of information about modern tech and stuff, anyway, CPU and graphics card technology are very closely interlinked, thier beasically the same thing used in a sligtly different way. Anywayone of the articles that got me interested was one about moore's law,(every couple of years processing power doubles). Completely ingoring quantum processing, as thats in a workable state, just not nearlyas optomised and well researched as silicon processing, moores law is physically possible to be able to continue for at least another 12 years. Basically all the leading processor companies have just drawn up a roadmap, in which they are all working to plausable goals in the next 12 years. Everything in the roadmap is possible, but we need to find ways to overcome manufacturing problems and heat dissipation etc.

The bottom line is by 2016 its probable that we will have 30Ghtz processors using silicon technology. Thats a pesimistic estimate as well. However it wont be that likely to be able to get faster using silicon technolgy, and that that will only be available to high cost industry etc. Eventually however that will get down to general computer and console use. So im guessing that in a few console generations we'll easilly have the processing power tobe able to do raytracing and other such high end graphic things. Photo realism in real time is very possible in the near future, and i think inintendo is definaterly going the right way, as eventually everyone and thier pocket calculator will have photorealisic graphics. (more information see the september 2005 volume of physics world)

and before you ask i dont buy it, i get it free as part of my course.

[The Peeps]

I'm surprised this rubbish has been given so much attention...

[Meo]

Well, since very much people don't know what ray-tracing is and what it does, I think that, in this case, seeing is believing LOL:D!!
Go HERE (http://www.realstorm.com/) and download the benchmark!! By the way, after trying this benchmark, send the creators of this project your results to support and improve this great project:D:D!!!!

well, uh, I forgot to tell you this:don't rely on yours Nvidia's or Ati's on this one. If you have a low-end processor (like me!), then forget it.

And now i'm just going to shut up, this is going WAY off-topic ;) ...

[Maiky-NiSuTe]

Actually, I'm a phyics student at uni and we get loads of information about modern tech and stuff, anyway, CPU and graphics card technology are very closely interlinked, thier beasically the same thing used in a sligtly different way. Anywayone of the articles that got me interested was one about moore's law,(every couple of years processing power doubles). Completely ingoring quantum processing, as thats in a workable state, just not nearlyas optomised and well researched as silicon processing, moores law is physically possible to be able to continue for at least another 12 years. Basically all the leading processor companies have just drawn up a roadmap, in which they are all working to plausable goals in the next 12 years. Everything in the roadmap is possible, but we need to find ways to overcome manufacturing problems and heat dissipation etc.

The bottom line is by 2016 its probable that we will have 30Ghtz processors using silicon technology. Thats a pesimistic estimate as well. However it wont be that likely to be able to get faster using silicon technolgy, and that that will only be available to high cost industry etc. Eventually however that will get down to general computer and console use. So im guessing that in a few console generations we'll easilly have the processing power tobe able to do raytracing and other such high end graphic things. Photo realism in real time is very possible in the near future, and i think inintendo is definaterly going the right way, as eventually everyone and thier pocket calculator will have photorealisic graphics. (more information see the september 2005 volume of physics world)

and before you ask i dont buy it, i get it free as part of my course.

Hmmm verry interesting! you got me thinking!! But do you think Nintendo has it? :unsure:

[gorrit]

What I meant by the GPU remark was that since today, most 3D games heavily rely on the GPU to look beautiful and run fast, they do, but raytracing still depends heavily on the CPU making it hard to fast.
Or well something. No raytracing GPUs basically.

And I'm very positive there will be other techs used instead of raytracing, infact, many 3D movies done today doesn't use ray-tracing, becouse it takes so long to render, and it's a bit hard to control.

[Pestneb]

now whos lying??????????????????? :wtf:

I don't know, lots of people I guess?

[xino]

ok
let the lie stop
i will post the real tec spec of the weak console:D
but not all are real.. i mean there are still more tec spec coming:P

i got this tec spec
from wikipedia, where my friend was telling me, the wikipedians are fake:P

Processors:
IBM PowerPC CPU "Broadway":
No further details.
ATI GPU "Hollywood":
The graphics card is believed to be being developed by the same team formerly known as the Californian firm ArtX which developed the graphics chip of both the Gamecube and its predecessor, the Nintendo 64, before being purchased by ATI.
Memory:
1T-SRAM by MoSys
No further details.
512 MB built-in flash memory
Replaces the function of an internal hard drive.
Will be used to store:
Revolution game save data
Downloaded games
Game demos
Patches or upgrades
Ports and peripherals:
Two USB 2.0 ports.
No proprietary serial ports announced.
All Nintendo consoles to date have a serial port.
Wireless controllers.
A single proprietary output for video and audio.
A dongle enabling DVD playback.
4 Nintendo GameCube controller ports and 2 Nintendo GameCube memory card ports (for compatibility).
Optional USB PC-compatible 802.11b wireless router.
Media:
Slot loading optical disc drive compatible with both 12 cm and 8 cm proprietary optical discs (again, for GameCube compatibility) as well as standard DVD discs.
2 front loading SD memory card slots.
Networking:
Wi-Fi by the Broadcom Corporation:
Built-in 802.11b & 802.11g support.
No Ethernet port.
Final version could be smaller than the presented E³ prototype, "about the size of three stacked standard DVD cases" (as quoted from the conference).

[knightendo]

demonmike, no no i'm not one of those morons ;) if i was i wouldn't be getting eye strain from no sleep thanks to meteos lol ;)

all i meant was that by the sounds of some people on here the revolution will be noticeabley less powerful than the other machines, what i meant was that there are a lot of people out there who look at the DS, see that it's a less powerful machine than the psp (on the surface) and write off all the innovative additions as "gimmicky". if nintendo produce a machine capable of holding its own against the others (the cube was, after all, more powerful than the ps2) >and< have the innovation as it's main selling point they can't fail.

ok, so maybe suicide was too strong a word lol, sorry that i came across wrong there, but i can't see it doing them any favours if they don't have the technology to back up the innovation.

i already know, no matter what the specs are, that the revo will be the best machine out there because of what ninty have already released about it, but what of those "morons" as you so rightly called them? unfortunately they make up a large part of the user base that nintendo would like to bring in this time around.

[Chanser]

Anyone getting sick of Revolution rumours or fakes :(.

[xino]

i am!
i got sick when fans started chating crap about the controller
now it has been released, its getting worst, becuase fanboys know the controller isn't all that, so they lie to them self by saying its da best
i am sick of it, after the release of the PAD, the tech spec is going on
but i am not really sick of the tech spec because the one i posted is right for me
100%:D

[kav82]

WOW, how many times in one day can a guy be wrong?!

"tech spec because the one i posted is right for me 100%" - THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!!

I won't go to school on you again because i have done in previous posts but seriously, actually look at what you're typing?! You don't stop contradicting yourself half the time!

[Charlie]

i am!
i got sick when fans started chating crap about the controller
now it has been released, its getting worst, becuase fanboys know the controller isn't all that, so they lie to them self by saying its da best
i am sick of it, after the release of the PAD, the tech spec is going on
but i am not really sick of the tech spec because the one i posted is right for me
100%:D

Go and talk about how bad the Revolution is somewhere else please. We don't want to hear it here.

[xino]

lol
are you sure you are 23?
cuz 23 don't go on about what they have done

yes
i am 100% sure the tech spec is right, but some more features will come out
i work for wikipedai, they are never wrong
no more commet on your mr 23, you are a waste,
a boy trying to have a fight

[kav82]

lol
are you sure you are 23?
cuz 23 don't go on about what they have done

yes
i am 100% sure the tech spec is right, but some more features will come out
i work for wikipedai, they are never wrong
no more commet on your mr 23, you are a waste,
a boy trying to have a fight


you see, once more he doesn't make any sense! what's that about?! :confused:

[Charlie]

i am 100% sure the tech spec is right, but some more features will come out
i work for wikipedai, they are never wrong


Well seeing as wikipedia is user-written, I guarantee you, some of it is wrong.

If you're so sure the specs are right. How come it only acts as a wireless b router but also works with wireless g, why isn't it a g router? G is standard now, I doubt Nintendo would give it a b router. I think it's more likely a g and can be used with b.

[Jamba]

I don't really understand why people are speculating about specs. Nobody knows and out of all the hardware companies Nintendo is the one who's spec sheet is a very bad measure.

It wouldn't be so bad if almost every thread hadn't been infected by a certain form of arguing today.

[xino]

so... kav you are the only one that knows the right tech spec
23 year old that loves to troll and argue

yes morai the wikipedia will be wrong when nintendo full reviews the full tech spec
but for now they are right

[Jamba]

yes morai the wikipedia will be wrong when nintendo full reviews the full tech spec
but for now they are right


How can they be right for now? They are right or wrong and as nobody knows the specs they will be wrong. Everyone will be...

Oh and it's reveal...

[xino]

are you dumb?
the tec spec has been release
you are still young ...you don't know how to do researches
some of the tech specs has been released but not fully?
do you know a site called GR?

[Stocka]

It's official, xino is the biggest cock at RE. He makes Choze look god like

[Charlie]

do you know a site called GR?

No, would you like to give us the link please?

[Jamba]

Please tell me you aren't talking about games radar.

Nintendo haven't released the specs yet. They have not been finalised. Stop wasting everyone's time as you freely keep on hopping between fact and speculation. And also one of the headlines on gamesradar is that "Resi 5 not ruled out".

And your English is horrible btw.

[xino]

btw?
what is that?

anway maybe you kids are getting confused with the name and tech spec
i am talking about the tec spec you kids must mean the name

[Jamba]

Please don't call everyone kids. Nintendo have not realeased any of the specs yet. Everything is speculation. I am talking about the specs, stop trying to weavel out of what you can't explain.

"Btw what's that?" - It means "by the way"
GR what's that? - Please send all answers with a link to this magical website.

[xino]

"Confirmed hardware and technology
Nintendo has announced that IBM has been working with the development of the CPU, codenamed "Broadway." IBM was previously involved with the development of the processor in Nintendo's current system, GameCube"

Known specifications
Due to the relatively early stages of development, specifications may change before the console's final release.

Processors:
IBM PowerPC CPU "Broadway":
No further details.
ATI GPU "Hollywood":
The graphics card is believed to be being developed by the same team formerly known as the Californian firm ArtX which developed the graphics chip of both the Gamecube and its predecessor, the Nintendo 64, before being purchased by ATI.
Memory:
1T-SRAM by MoSys
No further details.
512 MiB built-in flash memory
Replaces the function of an internal hard drive.
Will be used to store:
Revolution game save data
Downloaded games
Game demos
Patches or upgrades
Ports and peripherals:
Two USB 2.0 ports.
No proprietary serial ports announced.
All Nintendo consoles to date have a serial port.
Wireless controllers.
A single proprietary output for video and audio.
A dongle enabling DVD playback.
4 Nintendo GameCube controller ports and 2 Nintendo GameCube memory card ports (for compatibility).
Optional USB PC-compatible 802.11b wireless router.
Media:
Slot loading optical disc drive compatible with both 12 cm and 8 cm proprietary optical discs (again, for GameCube compatibility) as well as standard DVD discs.
2 front loading SD memory card slots.
Networking:
Wi-Fi by the Broadcom Corporation:
Built-in 802.11b & 802.11g support.
No Ethernet port.
Final version could be smaller than the presented E³ prototype, "about the size of three stacked standard DVD cases" (as quoted from the conference).

you all just don't like it, becuase i am better than you
and i got a life:p

[xino]

dammit what happen?
the thing must have coopy every thing:(

[Jamba]

That basically says no specifications. It only blithers about what the chips are being based on.

Wikipedia is not a good source for citing information. Due to the nature by which that information is collaborated it is much better to source an actual games news establishment who recieve actual press releases.

Maybe your mystical GR is one of these? Care to expand?

[Konfucius]

btw?
what is that?

anway maybe you kids are getting confused with the name and tech spec
i am talking about the tec spec you kids must mean the name

Let me quote you:

IBM PowerPC CPU "Broadway":
No further details.
ATI GPU "Hollywood":
The graphics card is believed to be being developed by the same team formerly known as the Californian firm ArtX which developed the graphics chip of both the Gamecube and its predecessor, the Nintendo 64, before being purchased by ATI.
Memory:
1T-SRAM by MoSys
No further details.


If you put in reasonable data like numbers with strange words like GHz and MB behind them where it currently says "No further details" I call it tech specs - and many many other people too.

And out of curousity since you call everybody here kid and young and stupid I suppose you look (concerning the age) something like this (http://lotskes.homedns.org/images/Opa%20Lots.JPG)

[xino]

it is so useless aruging with kids
really is


just like some other forum i was at
When Sonic The Hedgehog on 360 was leak, i posted the game, the dumb admin that thinks he knows all closed it saying the game is fake, and that video is a fan made
look at him now, prove his @ss wrong
that is what i am doing to you kids now
i will keep calling you that, BECUASE YOU ARE ALL ACTING LIKE ONE!

always listen to someone that knows somthing NEW, and at the end he will be right or wrong, but no! you kids think you know all!

what ever.. like i always say, and i will say it again
"its usless posting with kids!"

[Jamba]

#cough#

kettle

#cough#

black

[xino]

That basically says no specifications. It only blithers about what the chips are being based on.
did you read the first tec spec i did?
becuase its the same thing

[Sprout]

it is so useless aruging with kids
really is


just like some other forum i was at
When Sonic The Hedgehog on 360 was leak, i posted the game, the dumb admin that thinks he knows all closed it saying the game is fake, and that video is a fan made
look at him now, prove his @ss wrong
that is what i am doing to you kids now
i will keep calling you that, BECUASE YOU ARE ALL ACTING LIKE ONE!

Name calling us continuously isn't going to help you xino.

By the way, I see you threatened me at the CUBE Forums thread.
SPROUT you are really asking for it
becuase you are the one coming up with it
i will warn you now,,, if you don'r back off, i will own/boyd you every single post you do, this is a warning.

I'm not going to post there, because you'd come back there. So I'll remind you here that threatening is prohibited on the forums:

Slanderous, defamatory, false, obscene, indecent, lewd, pornographic, abusive, insulting, threatening, harassing or obnoxious comments are not appropriate in the R-E Forum community and the inclusion of them in posts or signatures and avatars will result in punishment.

I highly recommend you stop this behavior at once!

[xino]

This boy is really pissing the sh@t out of me
first of all, you warn me about my langauge
second you troll around looking for my topic ready to aruge
now you are warning me about my behaviour
if only there is something to block some peoples post
i will be happy>:D

You posted you are not the admin/mod and you don't own this forum, so... why are you warning acting has if you are some big man

and me threathing you ROFL, do you even know what a threat is?
i swear you are the one that came up with me doing sexiest? TO MANY MOVIES KID!

and did you all watch and read how i set your @ss straight,?
you like or no like:D

[Sprout]

This boy is really pissing the sh@t out of me
first of all, you warn me about my langauge
second you troll around looking for my topic ready to aruge
now you are warning me about my behaviour
if only there is something to block some peoples post
i will be happy>:D

You posted you are not the admin/mod and you don't own this forum, so... why are you warning acting has if you are some big man

and me threathing you ROFL, do you even know what a threat is?
i swear you are the one that came up with me doing sexiest? TO MANY MOVIES KID!

and did you all watch and read how i set your @ss straight,?
you like or no like:D
Its sexist! not sexiest! Sexist!

Sexiest, i must have made a mistake when posting that message, or i didn't put that much details. Firstly, how many girls games have you ever seen that are made for a console? NONE, only on pc, so.. i am saying what kind of a boy want to play Sweenties 2, becuase if that game is for girls, how come its the only giirls games, i am afriad you are the only idiot that find that offensive, if you use your brain well, you will notice all games on console where made for kids and big boys

You are being sexist here, saying the only people who play games are kids and big boys. I think you may find plenty of old females that play games on these boards, perhaps you should tell them this fact.

A threat is a warning that something unpleasant is imminent.
SPROUT you are really asking for it
becuase you are the one coming up with it
i will warn you now,,, if you don'r back off, i will own/boyd you every single post you do, this is a warning.

Guess what this is. It's a threat!

Just try to 'own' me xino. For you have not suceeded once thus far.

[xino]

you are just making a fool out of your self
trying to argue
it won't work

AND STOP SPAMMIN
AND TROLLING
stick to the topic kiddo

[Enigma]

Hello!!! Moderators, why aren´t you banning Xino. It´s so obvious he doesn´t belong here in Revolution-Europe.

[xino]

and who are you Engima?
what makes you think i don't belong here

you are the one that should get bann

STICK TO THE TOPIC AND STOP TROLLING

[DanielTimothy]

You posted you are not the admin/mod and you don't own this forum, so... why are you warning acting has if you are some big man

and me threathing you ROFL, do you even know what a threat is?
i swear you are the one that came up with me doing sexiest? TO MANY MOVIES KID!

and did you all watch and read how i set your @ss straight,?
you like or no like:D

He may not be an admin or a mod but he Is a respectable and genuine person and a credit to this forum! (also a good friend!) So he has a right to put you in your place.

[Pestneb]

Hey Xino, here's something a random person once said that I think applies to you:

you are just making a fool out of your self
trying to argue
it won't work

AND STOP SPAMMIN
AND TROLLING
stick to the topic kiddo

lol. but seriously, this kinda "humour" has been done to death, the whole parody/irony slant.

and to all his sidekicks, just ignore him, do you seriously think he's being serious? :lmao:

[demonmike04]

you are just making a fool out of your self
trying to argue
it won't work

AND STOP SPAMMIN
AND TROLLING
stick to the topic kiddo
Kiddo? Oh now i see why your on these forums, cant win arguments with people your own age so you decide to go after the kids? Pathetic.
As you can see, plenty of people know what they are talking about. Infact, I have reason to believe your a kid yourself. You hardly make sense, did you not go to school?

Your the one trolling, your the one spamming and your the one not sticking to the topic, Thus making me do so now for arguing against you.
Do me a favour, step down. If your so adult, you wouldnt argue in the first place.

[Bluejay]

and to all his sidekicks, just ignore him, do you seriously think he's being serious? :lmao:

He surely can't be, can he? I sure hope not. :heh:

[xino]

sorry
i don't troll and spamm
i am trying to stop one now
but more and more just keep coming

well you can't stop em all

[RuneSP]

but u can CATCH 'em all xD

[Charlie]

well you can't stop em all

Seems easy enough for you to start them though. Every single topic I've seen you post in has turned into this. Do us all a favour and just go away.

[pedrocasilva]

Seems easy enough for you to start them though. Every single topic I've seen you post in has turned into this. Do us all a favour and just go away.I agree, I'm seeying flamming everywhere made by xino, not against me anyway... but always using the "you're a fanboy" or random accusations arguments is stupid. if you can't discuss these matter like the other people and get pissed over it and use those arguments, you'll loose years of your life due to stress, just my two cents

If you dont want to piss people... dont insult them, and dont use caps lock when doing it, and dont call us kids, because here the kid is you, I dont know how old you are, or how old you're faking you are, but there's pretty old people here at cube europe, we are not your next door stupid neibours for you to bash us and think we won't answer back.

you just seem to live in a world were everybody is wrong and you're right, I hate that kind of people, it results in your superior behaviour where you *think* you know so much more than us, and every single thing we do is because of you...

If I had to give you a prize it would be the attention whore of this forum, and this is not a compliment, dont post if you have nothing to say besides insults.
http://www.baqax.com/images/photos/attentionwhore.jpg

No one cares about what you think about us, about nintendo console and games and about controllers, but I do care if you turn all the threads into a battlefield and thus get them locked...

Do me a favor and dont respond to this post flamming me, if you're so superior and right, you don't even have to mind with "inferior" people like me, so dont bother, because you're not the only one who can look down at others, if you continue behaving that way, people will just ignore you, maybe they already do in other forums and real life...

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now ontopic... Revolution might be quite powerfull overall, it's not dificult to outperform Xenon CPU developers are complaining a lot about it, if nintendo manages to keep the CPU performance, then it will be already more powerful than XBox 360 most 1st generation games dont even run at a stable 60 fps, about PS3 we'll have to wait and see, because sony is all vaporware right now, cell's true power is unknown no matter what they say, it's a modern CPU made by today's technology, so it's now better than... say PowerPC 970 (G5) or AMD 64... just diferent, AMD 64 for example is still beaten by a old voddoo 3 in texturing, because AMD is not a graphics card... cell was not made to run high level code nor it has enough cache for those execussion (each SPE's virtual cache is not coherent, so it has to be veryfied by software), so AI and physics will be limited, the PC's will be ahead of it since the day it launchs, in fact they already have much more power than that, what PS3 might have is efficiency, because of the various SPE's even if limited in power, they can achieve a good amount of power but as we know not every developer will take advantage of it, and that is... most of the multiplataform developers.

both Xenon and Cell use a long pipeline with more than 30 stages like netburst (P4 architecture) so as we know they'll be front side bus hungry and like pentium 4, not that efficient; why you ask? because the longer the pipeline the less efficient, it takes more time and wastes more energy, not to mention the information lost in the process, if it happens you have to clean the pipeline and thus loose cpu cycles before using it again, pentium 4 has a feature to reduce it, but while Pentium 4 is still a better cpu in the paper raw numbers it's ineffciency gets AMD the advantage...

Xenon has a confirmed 5% cache miss, so if it happens you have to wait as long as 40 CPU cycles, that's a pretty big handycap i'd say, and Cell also has a simplyfied PowerPC core...

All the development focus was Graphics not really next gen Physics, AI or balance in the overall system, nor ease to develop for them, sure some games will come close because of smart design and AI is not even necessary in online multiplayer, who will play a big role in next generation.

Still they're flawed designs who dont really give anything new dispite it's graphics, i'm really rooting for a PPU in revolution, because that's really the future, ATi and Nvidia will probably introduce a PPU in their GPU's in a few years from now, it's much more powerful than any cpu calculating physics out there, and all that without hit on the graphics or other processes. of course this is not confirmed yet... but if it is true... revolution will be pretty powerful.

For a PS3 and Xbox 360 features i'd prefer a AMD 64 X2 (dual core) 7800 GTX SLI anyday or even a inferior system, of course "games" is another compleetly diferent matter.

[Stoof]

I believe we'll get footage near, or after Christmas, and before 2006. They may be able to explain it as well.

[mbnmac]

LOL, cell?

erm, this is OWNED by sony, so your a liar from the get go, someone lock this topic

[knightendo]

thank you so much pedrocasilva for putting us back on topic :) i came on here after a few days away to carry on this conversation hopefully with demonmike (hope you read my sreponse 'mike, i'm still reeling at my use of the word "suicide" ;) i'd be interested to carry on where we left off) and the rest of you...