Playstation Discussion Archive

[KKOB]

I hope they make a Wii smash, the reaction here would be amusing.

naw- we'll all have Wii's not long after.

plus PS3s are going to be very limited rather than the millions and millions of Wiis people are going to buy :D

[Goron_3]

16 units?!?!? Wow, Wii really will get ahead this xmas!

I know alot of people will say the launch window doesn't really matter and it's the sales AFTER 3months or so that make a difference, but seriously, Wii could be MILES ahead before ps3 even reaches Europe.

[CompSci]

Woolies wont give you a discount on the hardware, you will get it on the software though.

what???????????

i never heard of that policy before? i am gonar speak to my manager about this tomorow

[Dante]

US per-order lines.
Line 1 (http://www.culture.joystiq.com/2006/10/10/ps3-pre-order-procession-west-coast-edition/)

Line 2 (http://www.culture.joystiq.com/2006/10/10/ps3-pre-order-procession-east-coast-edition/)

[Domstercool]

Well I'm some what shocked by this survey http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3978&Ite%20mid=2

According to that 8.9 million USA people are willing to buy the PS3 at full price. That's quite a lot of people. I would of thought it would of been less till it was reduced in price.

I guess it will sell at that price then and not lower.

[rokhed00]

Well I'm some what shocked by this survey http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3978&Ite%20mid=2

According to that 8.9 million USA people are willing to buy the PS3 at full price. That's quite a lot of people. I would of thought it would of been less till it was reduced in price.

I guess it will sell at that price then and not lower.

Can't see how they get those figures from interviewing just 2000 people.

[ZeldaFreak]

Can't see how they get those figures from interviewing just 2000 people.


Because I think they extrapolated that data with the US Census 2005

[Dante]

Sony Australia says Wii "a bit pricey" (http://www.culture.joystiq.com/2006/10/10/sony-australia-wii-a-bit-pricey/)

"For what it specifically does as a video games machine [it] is a bit pricey." No, this quote isn't from yet another analyst bemoaning the PS3's high price point; it's from Sony Computer Entertainment Australia Managing Director Michael Ephraim, talking about the Wii's AU$400 price point in an interview with a blog associated with Australia's Age newspaper. Ephraim also mentioned that the Xbox 360 "appeals only to a very core group" and, at a little over AU$600, is "still pricey."

Ephraim was not asked what he thought about the PlayStation 3's AU$1,000 price point, but I think it's fair to guess the word "pricey" wouldn't be anywhere near his answer. Seriously, when many analysts and consumers consider a high price point to be your system's major weakness, you shouldn't be talking smack about the affordability of the competition.

[That Guy]

yep :(

ps3 movie remote

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9373/ps3remotegm2.jpg

http://www.psm3mag.com/page/psm3?entry=ps3_does_it_get_hot

Hahaha, I thought that was a pisstake of something from the 1980s as I scrolled down...

[Cube]

Is it me, or have they stolen Nintendo's Plastic Hand?

[Dante]

comic time.
http://www.crashlander.com/images/strips/E168.jpg

[Nintenchris]

Sony are at it again it seems... as even tho a PS3 is gonna cost you your life savings you would expect it to come with something better than a standard composite AV cable... but thats exactly what your gonna get a box standard composite AV cable!
CHEAP BASTARDS!

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/738/738409p1.html

[pedrocasilva]

Sony are at it again it seems... as even tho a PS3 is gonna cost you your life savings you would expect it to come with something better than a standard composite AV cable... but thats exactly what your gonna get a box standard composite AV cable!
CHEAP BASTARDS!

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/738/738409p1.htmlthat's normal... most people ignore this cost when buying a next gen console, but a 1080p HDMI cable, particularly should cost to the consumer somewhere between $80/120 dollars.

That's why it isn't included.

[LinkOfAllTrades]

I suppose it might be Sony thinking, well not everyone has HDTV Sets yet so why make average Joe consumer pay for something that has no use until he/she gets a HD TV. After that then slap the $80/$120 for a HDMI cable. Seems fine to me, though for those who have HD TV now i can understand why they might be upset at having to fork over extra for HD visuals

[Hellfire]

Except that next gen is all about HD according to Sony.

[Nintenchris]

Except that next gen is all about HD according to Sony.

Thats my point... its all about the Blu-ray... its all about HD games... but you cant even have HD cos you dont even get a half decent cable outta the box when it just cost you a few weeks wages!

[Domstercool]

Well it's what two of the three big companies think. HD is the next step forward in console gaming, so say Microsoft and Sony anyway.

I don't even own a HDTV and I don't plan on getting one anytime soon. they are just so damn expensive.

[The3rdChildren]

Not even a component cable? Jesus.

Sony can go fuck themselves.

[rokhed00]

Not even a component cable? Jesus.

Sony can go fuck themselves.

They're too busy fucking everyone else over.

[Aimless]

They're too busy fucking everyone else over.
Europe especially. (http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/12/europe-to-suffer-another-ps3-delay/)

And for those of you that can't be bothered to click that link:
Spanish gaming site MeriStation is reporting that Ken Kutaragi recently admitted that supply problems for Japan and North America could force the European PS3 launch to be delayed until May -- which would mean that Japanese and American consumers might have their systems nearly six months before the eager gamers in the rest of the world.

Makes no difference to me as I won't be getting one at launch, but I thought some people might be interested.

[Domstercool]

Well Europe are pretty much use to it now. It's only just recently started getting closer between each region because of what Microsoft did with the 360. It was like 6 months for the Gamecube to get here from Japan.

[Hellfire]

According to Sony, Europe doesn't mind being fucked in the ass by burly man.

[rokhed00]

According to Sony, Europe doesn't mind being fucked in the ass by burly man.

They must have polled Zelda Freak.

[Aimless]

Well Europe are pretty much use to it now. It's only just recently started getting closer between each region because of what Microsoft did with the 360. It was like 6 months for the Gamecube to get here from Japan.
As I said it doesn't affect me as I'd rather not get one at launch, but I think the problem people have isn't so much that we have to wait, rather that Europeans were mislead into thinking there would be a world-wide launch.

I think Sony hanging back is the right decision, but it's the spin that catches people out. They've had technical difficulties, yes, and I'm sure they would have loved to launch the PS3 in Europe this year if it were possible, but the company's public faces are dolling the situation up in a hideous attitude.

The system won't fail because of it, and I'm sure it will play host to some excellent games, but the ostensible arrogance of Sony is quite comparable to that of Nintendo's before it lost its footing and tumbled from the top of the hill.

[Caris]

They must have polled Zelda Freak.

Hahahaha!!

[KKOB]

As I said it doesn't affect me as I'd rather not get one at launch, but I think the problem people have isn't so much that we have to wait, rather that Europeans were mislead into thinking there would be a world-wide launch.

I think Sony hanging back is the right decision, but it's the spin that catches people out. They've had technical difficulties, yes, and I'm sure they would have loved to launch the PS3 in Europe this year if it were possible, but the company's public faces are dolling the situation up in a hideous attitude.

The system won't fail because of it, and I'm sure it will play host to some excellent games, but the ostensible arrogance of Sony is quite comparable to that of Nintendo's before it lost its footing and tumbled from the top of the hill.

and like nintendo sony will fall mwahahahahhaaaaaaaa!!!11!!!!!11!!1

*fanboyness over*

[Domstercool]

You can only dream ;)

[Kurtle Squad]

They must have polled Zelda Freak.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:laughing:

[Dante]

PS3 Online: How It Works

Either way, you create an account through a fairly simple process - a set of screens which ask you for sign-up information, and you're done. Those screens are actually displayed using the web browser component of the operating system, so it's just like filling in a registration form on a remote website - and then you're done. Every user on PlayStation Network has a single unique ID and sign-in details, just as you'd expect on any online service - and those sign-in IDs are global, so you'll be able to add your friends to your list regardless of where in the world they are.

Oh - and it's all free, too. The only place you'll be asked to fork over a penny is when you purchase something in the PlayStation Store - all of the online services, from sign-up right through to voice and video chat, are free, as is normal multiplayer gaming. There's no equivalent of the Xbox Live Gold account, where you're expected to pay extra for a further tier of services - the only things you'll pay money for are paid-for downloadable content, or subscriptions to premium services like massively multiplayer games.
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So, once you add friends, what can you do with them? Obviously enough, you can check their status and see if they're online; you can see if you have any new messages from them, and send them messages. Sending emails through the system uses the same peculiar text messaging style keypad that users of the PSP will be familiar with, which seems a bit painful at first but rapidly becomes a much faster way of entering text than the on-screen keyboards used by other systems - however, if you're not really keen on using that to enter an entire message, you can always plug in any standard USB keyboard, which will work with any text entry field anywhere on the system, as well as with the web browser.

The other options available for you in terms of friends are voice and video chat. We haven't actually seen the accessories which will be used for this in the flesh, but EyeToy and voice headset components for the system are undoubtedly set for release close to launch, and the options for those functions are right there in the operating system already.

Again, those familiar with Xbox Live on the Xbox 360 won't find this terribly surprising, but it's worth noting that the system does show you friend sign-ins and new messages received in overlays on top of the game you're currently playing - just little notification windows which pop up to tell you about something happening with your friends list. At present, however, there's no system for actually reading or responding to messages while you're still in the game, as the operating system doesn't take resources away from games in order to do that - however, according to Harrison, that functionality may well appear in an OS update, presumably based on whether users actually express a desire for it or not.

SingStar will take full advantage of the PlayStation Store.

Friends are one part of the equation. The other part is the PlayStation Store, which is where you'll be able to buy content, download demos, and manage any premium subscriptions you may have. This is basically the central hub for everything you do with the PS3 online, and it looks the part - again, Sony is making good use of the web browser built into the console, and the PlayStation Store looks quite similar to Apple's iTunes or, more appropriately, Sony's own Connect Music Store. Far from being just a simple list of things you can download, it's a really attractive interface which highlights key content and lets you filter all of the available bits and pieces according to your own preferences - so even when there are thousands of pieces of content on the store, which doesn't seem improbable, it'll still be easy to find what you want. The Store also utilises a shopping cart - so it's easy to browse through items, find the stuff you want, and then go to a checkout page where you proceed to make a sad face and empty the whole cart again, just like we do on Amazon about four times a week.

We're not going to talk in much depth about PlayStation Store, because what we saw was still undoubtedly being worked on frantically to prepare for the November launch. However, there are a few elements that it's worth talking about - the first of which is the Wallet, which lies at the heart of how you buy things on the Store. Unlike Nintendo and Microsoft's offerings, Sony doesn't hide the price of items behind an arbitrary "points" scheme - instead, everything simply lists a price in your local currency, so European types will see a Euro price, British people will see prices in Pounds Sterling, and so on. The Wallet, then, is basically your transaction centre - you put money into the Wallet, and then spend it in the store. Equally, you can set it up so that if you have associated accounts, for children for example, you can put a certain amount into their Wallets each month, giving them an allowance for how much can be spent on new content. Crucially, the Wallet is used for everything on the system - even for MMOG subscriptions to third parties. If it's on the PlayStation Network, you pay for it via Sony and the transaction with the third party is worked out elsewhere - so you're not expected to give credit card details out willy-nilly to everyone with content or services on the PS3.

Another interesting aspect of the Store, which Harrison first talked about at GDC last March, is the fact that while you'll be able to access all forms of content through the "generic store" that you view from the PS3 dashboard, games will also be able to have more specific stores which use the same interface, but display only downloads relevant to their content. Thanks to the web-based interface, games will be able to re-skin those stores to fit with their look and feel, and you'll access them directly from the in-game menu - which is a fairly minor touch, but a nice one nonetheless.

As to the content that will be available, Sony is still playing its cards close to its chest to some extent - but one thing the giant firm is clear on is that the PlayStation Store will grow to encompass more than just new game content and demos. Alongside the free and paid-for game content, the store will also play host to a wide range of new titles developed specifically for download (the first of which, fl0w, was shown off at TGS - dozens more PlayStation Store exclusive titles are being worked on around the world thanks to an initiative which Sony launched at GDC last year) - and as Ken Kutaragi revealed at TGS last month, it'll also be possible to buy PSone and PS2 classics you missed out on, as well as a selection of PSP games, from the PlayStation Store, and download them directly to your PS3.

It may not end there. Sony, after all, is one of the biggest music and movie companies in the world - and it already operates a music store, Connect. While no official plans to allow you to download music and movies directly to your PS3 have been announced, Sony insiders are adamant that that is on the roadmap for the service - so within a short space of time, the money in your Wallet could be used to buy any type of digital entertainment you fancy.
Brave New World

Once bitten, twice shy, the old saying goes - and based on that logic, Sony has some way to go before proving to people that it can do a comprehensive online gaming service. However, what we've seen is very promising. Account creation and management, buddy lists and various types of chat appear to be working just fine, the interface is simple and elegant, and the PlayStation Store, even at this early stage, looks like being one aspect of the service which will be a genuine improvement over Microsoft's offering, Xbox Live Marketplace - which is well-stocked, but has a terrible user interface that struggles to cope with the amount of content now available, and has only been marginally improved by recent updates.

There's still some way to go - and one area we're still intrigued by is what Sony will do about user profiles, which Microsoft revolutionised with Xbox 360 thanks to Gamer Points and Achievements. Love 'em or hate 'em, they're a big draw for many people, and how Sony will handle this aspect of its community remains to be seen.

However, for now we can say for certain that the online service is there - it exists and it's working, and according to Harrison, it will definitely launch right alongside the console this November. For those of us in Europe, of course, that probably means the rest of the world gets to iron out all the bugs before we see the console in March - there's always a silver lining on every dark cloud. Whatever your views on the console war may be, this is an excellent thing for gamers. Microsoft have a vast head-start over Sony online, but Sony's service has clearly learned many lessons from observing its rival, and in areas like the Store, is actually introducing new ideas and strong features which provide a genuine challenge. Head-start or not, Sony is now, finally, snapping at Microsoft's heels in the online space - and as the two giants inevitably launch into a race to take or maintain the lead in online services, the biggest winners of all will be gamers.

The debate about online gaming is over. (Although the debate about whether one can be "face to face" with a capability will perhaps linger.) While we've spent the last five years - and longer, in some cases - talking about whether online functions were actually important to games, that discussion is now at an end. Online won, although perhaps not in the way that its most loyal adherents had hoped for. Every next-gen console, and even every recent handheld console, now sports an online service out of the box; networks are becoming a core element of what we could, if we were being a bit pretentious, call "the gaming ecosystem".

That doesn't, however, mean that all games have become online games. We haven't dispensed with single-player, and we never will - for many people, compelling experiences come from storytelling or cinematics, not from deathmatch or 40-man raiding parties. It's still hard to tell just how many people actually care about online gaming in terms of actually playing with other people, but it's certainly a fairly small, albeit growing, proportion of gamers. No, the real explosion in online has come from other areas - such as the ability to get game demos, to access new content for your games, to communicate with friends, to create an online identity for yourself and even to download entirely new games or retro titles over the network. Multiplayer gaming, as distinct from online gaming, is just a small part of what is now a much larger tapestry.

Unsurprisingly, the PC has been the pioneer in this area, just as it was the first platform to really adopt networked multiplayer gaming. You've been able to download demos, shareware games and indie software for years, and of course communicating with friends and creating an identity for yourself is core to the PC's online functionality. In the console arena, Microsoft leads the charge; the Xbox was the first games console to have a broadband, fully functional online service that gave users friends lists, notifications, voice chat and so on as a core part of the console, rather than as a strapped-on afterthought, and Xbox 360 builds on that to a massive degree with services like Xbox Live Marketplace and Xbox Live Arcade.

Sony, on the other hand, is late to the party. The PlayStation 2 didn't even have a built-in network port, let alone a network service as part of the core offering - and while isolated online titles like Final Fantasy XI proved massively popular on PS2 (in places where it was available, anyway), even the most die-hard Sony fan couldn't exactly describe the PS2's online service as a success. Certainly, it had more users than Xbox Live did last generation - but then again, the PS2 also had an installed base five times larger. In terms of ease of use, consistency of interface, and simple accessibility - not to mention software support - PS2 online was a distant second place to Xbox Live.

Sony doesn't intend on allowing that to happen again - and despite Microsoft's five-year headstart in the online arena, the creators of PlayStation 3 are hoping that they can roll out an online service to rival Microsoft's for the launch of their console in Japan and North America in just a few scant weeks' time. A quick glance around the Internet suggests that skepticism regarding that particular goal is high - to say the least. Can a company whose online strategy in the last generation was so patchy, and their actual service so weak, really turn things around on the online front in time for the PS3's launch?

There's one way to tell for sure - actually look at the service in the flesh. For that, there's nowhere better to go than the office of Sony's worldwide studios boss Phil Harrison, located in Soho just near London's Oxford Street. Lots of Soho offices are pretty swish - but few of them have a fully functioning PlayStation 3 unit sitting under a massive HDTV screen, and hooked up to the test version of the PS3 online network which will switch over into a live service in early November when the console heads to store shelves in Japan and America.

First things first, and before we even touch the PS3, it's worth mentioning a few key factors which Sony is relying on heavily for the online service. For a start, the PS3 is designed from the ground up as an online device - unlike the PS2, which suffered from a number of major problems on that front. Building an online device requires a few major differences from an offline box - for one, it's important to be able to update your operating system, so that when you add new services or change features, you can incorporate those into the console's dashboard. On the Xbox or Xbox 360, new services are added with occasional software patches that are issued over Xbox Live; the PS2 couldn't do that, so you actually had to boot into a piece of software to do anything related to online functions. That's a clunky, messy way of doing things, and it's a big part of the reason why PS2 online was so poor.

PS3, however, has a fully upgradeable operating system, which is capable of downloading patches over the network and applying them to itself. This actually isn't new territory for Sony - the PlayStation Portable does exactly the same thing, and since that device was launched, Sony has added loads of new online features using network updates, including a fully functional web browser with Flash and RSS support. Actually, the comparisons with PSP don't stop there - we'll come back to those in a moment.

The other big difference on PS3 is that the device has a hard drive - even in its lower-spec configuration. This means that unlike the PS2, which relied on small, expensive memory cards that could easily be moved from machine to machine or even lost entirely, the console has the ability to store its configuration properly and reliably - not to mention being able to download and store loads of content. You couldn't have done that on PS2, which crippled the system from an online point of view.

Okay, so Sony is getting it right on the hardware front this time. Let's not beat around the bush, though - hardware is only a small part of the battle. Online services live or die on the strength of their software. Can I set up an account easily? Can I add and manage friends without a doctorate in computer science? How about buying content, or browsing for demos?

Let's turn the console on and find out.

Booting up a PS3 immediately reminds you of the PSP once again, because you're presented with the Cross Media Bar - that row of category icons across the middle of the screen which expand out vertically to reveal a number of new options as you hover over them. In fact, PSP users will be right at home on the PS3, since Sony's drive to ensure that it's presenting a consistent interface to users of its products means that you'll even see exactly the same icons for the same functionality. Settings, Photo, Music, Video, Game... These are all familiar from the PlayStation Portable, and although each one of them undoubtedly sports additional functions here, that's not what we're here for.

No, we're really here for the new buttons on the bar. On the far left, the first thing you highlight when you log in is called User Profiles. On the far right, you've got two buttons called Network (which appeared on the PSP in a firmware update) and Friends. User Profiles looks like a little house with a smiling face on it; Network is a globe; Friends is two little houses with smiling faces sort of touching, in a platonic way. They're friends, you see. Friendly houses.

User Profiles works pretty much how you would expect it to, with a list of the different profiles stored on the console popping up in the vertical bar when this option is highlighted. Yes, this is old hat if you're an Xbox 360 user, but the PS3 will support multiple user profiles on the console - so when you turn it on, you select your own profile, and you're instantly logged into your own PlayStation Network account as well as activating all your own settings for the system. If you share a console with multiple different people, or if friends come around to play often, this is an incredibly useful feature.

Moving one left, we can make a brief stop off at Settings if you like - here, you'll find the settings page for your network, allowing you to enter exciting things like IP addresses and passwords for wireless access, using pretty much exactly the same interface as the PSP. As with other consoles (and, realistically, the majority of network devices these days), the chances are you'll never really need to tweak anything in here, as your home network probably allows devices to auto-configure themselves using DHCP. Obviously enough, the PS3 stores its settings permanently, so you won't have to re-enter them for different games or any such guff.

Okay, let's scoot across the bar to the right hand side. One in from the right you find the Network button; this, essentially, is the web browser on the console. Unlike the Xbox 360, PS3 has a fully functional web browser, which according to Harrison supports a wide variety of standards right up to the complex Web 2.0 stuff you find places like Gmail using - and you can access any site on the Internet through the browser. So yes, you'll be able to browse Eurogamer on your PS3; now there's a killer app for you. Much like the PSP browser, this one will also support stuff like bookmarks and all the other usual features you'd expect from a web browser.

We're now teetering on the very right hand edge of the Cross Media Bar, looking at the Friends icon. This is where the magic happens... Is what I'd probably say, if I were working in a circus.

On the Friends vertical bar, there are two different types of icon. The first, logically enough, are friends - each of your signed-in friends has their own icon on this bar, and you select that icon to view a number of different ways of interacting with them. The other icons are those for managing your PlayStation Network account. Let's talk about those first.

At heart, there are two types of PlayStation Network account - a master account, and an associated account. The chances are that most gamers will use master accounts, but associated accounts will be especially useful for families - where, for example, a parent (who holds a master account) wants to be able to limit the amount that their kids (with associated accounts) can spend in the PlayStation Store.

www.eurogamer.net (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=68677&page=1)

[Dante]

Yes, but is it in 4D?

Nope. :shakehead

IGN Hands-on PS3. (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/738/738858p1.html)
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/738/738858/playstation-3-hard-onhands-on-20061013102814248.jpg

Sexy TV. :heart:
Ugly wallpaper.

[Stocka]

When I looked at that pic I thought the PS3 was a keyboard

[Domstercool]

At first I thought it was infected with something, then I noticed it's just the reflection of the wallpaper on it.

[Cube]

Is it me, or does PS3 online sound familiar to Wii online?
- Free
- "Friends"
- Web Browser (I think the PS3 uses Opera, too)
- Store
- fully upgradeable operating system
- Emails
- Parental Controls

Also, why does the PS3 look dirty/messy in every photograph of the console? (not promo shots)

[1UP]

fingerprints

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

Is it me, or does PS3 online sound familiar to Wii online?
- Free
- "Friends"
- Web Browser (I think the PS3 uses Opera, too)
- Store
- fully upgradeable operating system
- Emails
- Parental Controls

Nintendo invented and used all of those things first. You heard it here first folks!

[That Guy]

Not even a component cable? Jesus.

Sony can go fuck themselves.

The more I find out about the PS3 the more I hate the idea of getting one. If Shenmue 3 is ever a PS3 exclusive I may shoot someone. And someone else.

[pedrocasilva]

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[Dante]

I cant wait to play mgs4 on the playstation 3.
Heres £500 Kojima-sama

Lets hope the PS3 goes down in price when MGS4 comes out. :kiss:

[demonmike04]

http://www.mivadika.com/images/2006/october/digitallife2006/ps3_flier_07.jpg
Did they deliberately put that in red so people would miss it and think both units have the same features?

I could see it first time round, either my eyes are crazy or sony's hiding the technical capabilities just incase.

[Kurtle Squad]

7 Controllers!!!! YAY :yay: :laughing:

[mario_jr]

Always on connected, now where did I hear that before.:sad:

[The fish]

Why oh why oh why did sony give up on the whole "4D thing".
It was so, so easy to make fun of them now.
Now I'm more limited to things like the price, the games, the thefts, etc...

(The 4th dimension is time, by the way. It would explain the price tag...)

[Jamba]

God that PR bollocks makes me want to jab something hard and sharp into someone else's eye.

[Hellfire]

Dear God that PR crap, it's like PS2 all over again.

[Jordan]

THINK BEYOND THE FOURTH DIMENSION!!

[Dante]

Top list of pre-order games in Japan.

1. Ridge Racer 7 (Bandai Namco)
2. Mobile Suit Gundam: Target in Sight (Bandai Namco)
3. Armored Core 4 (From Software)
4. Resistance: Fall of Man (Sony)
5. Genji: Kamui Souran (Sony)

Gamefront

[Cube]

7 Controllers!!!! YAY :yay: :laughing:


But, like the Wii, it is unlikely that any developers will take advantage of it. Is the standard for bluetooth connactions 7 then?

[Dante]

PS3 advert (http://www.gameklip.com/v/1690/). :)

[BlueStar]

THINK BEYOND THE FOURTH DIMENSION!!

All this stuff makes me cringe.

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

God that PR bollocks makes me want to jab something hard and sharp into someone else's eye.

You will say wow!

[Domstercool]

Love the little red light! Looks hot.

[Hero-of-Time]

PS3 advert (http://www.gameklip.com/v/1690/). :)

I thought the advert was amazing. I wish they would just drop the whole Spider-man fonts though.

[Kurtle Squad]

I wish they're stop trying to make the PS3 contoller sound as good as the Wii, when it's simply GBC age tech in there.

I also watched parts of the Sony E3 thing again and they stressed the whole "without an external sensor"...as if the Wii's sensor is a big eyesore or something :heh:

PS3 advert (http://www.gameklip.com/v/1690/). :)
I didn't like it...that kid seemed like someone who just wants the new fads and doesn't even know what real gaming is (thoguh I guess that's who the ad is aimed at)

[Hellfire]

Didn't they say at E3 that it would only support 4 controllers after all?

[The3rdChildren]

What the hell is up with that ad? Kinda effective, but it has nothing to do with... anything.

Pedophiles could really do with the summoning power of the PS3.

[Kurtle Squad]

Didn't they say at E3 that it would only support 4 controllers after all?

That's what I thought too.

[KKOB]

The ps3 is fatter then the original xbox, lol.

people seem to forget that-the XBOX got slated for it really bad, i thought japanese companies are meant to make things small due to the overcrowded nature of tokyo apartments etc . . . oh wait . . . sony want the PS3 to be your everything so it will naturally take up all the room-mean sony, very mean sony!

i suppose that leaves the way clear, literally, for people to fit a Wii in.

[KKOB]

I hope people dont forget that, the ps3 is 5 kg aswell, its a god damn tank.
I barely have room on my desk for the 360, yet alone both that and a ps3.

dont talk to me about desk space i have my printer, lamp, speakers, laptop, various chargers, TV, 360 and GC on my desk-its wire hell!!!!

[Hellfire]

You need a sturdy table to have a 360 and a PS3 on it.
But, if Sony fails, it's not because of the size, that's not why XBOX failed, even though it helped a little.

[KKOB]

You need a sturdy table to have a 360 and a PS3 on it.
But, if Sony fails, it's not because of the size, that's not why XBOX failed, even though it helped a little.

true-but sony fanboys forget alot dont they? or is it just that they gobble up alot of PR shit?

[Kurtle Squad]

Or you can use the floor:heh:

[Domstercool]

My consoles are on the floor! Beautiful floor of gaming. :)

[CooInTheZoo]

Got tales of eternia and ridge racer for sale in the bargains board, both in propper mint condition innit !!

[Cube]

I didn't like it...that kid seemed like someone who just wants the new fads and doesn't even know what real gaming is (thoguh I guess that's who the ad is aimed at)

Yea, It seems to be aimed at those people. Coincidently, those people are least likely to be able to afford one.

[Domstercool]

Work Time Fun out tomorrow in the states! So looking forward to that. I want to mess with the Ramen Timer and play the Bishop Game!

[ZeldaFreak]

you should get yourselves the kazook game - only 20 sterling pretty reasonable.

A housemate has it and we were messing with the stuff, he works at hull game in princess quay. Apparently they already had the game in stock

[Kurtle Squad]

My consoles are on the floor! Beautiful floor of gaming. :)

Mine aren't, but I thought I'd point it out :heh: (You're not supposed to put the 360 on the floor though i belive)

[Heaven]

I will NEVER buy a PS3. Wii60 all the way. Did you know that there will be a magazine for wii60?!?!:hehe:

[Jordan]

I will NEVER buy a PS3. Wii60 all the way. Did you know that there will be a magazine for wii60?!?!:hehe:

Thats pretty cool, might think about picking that up! :)

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

I will NEVER buy a PS3. Wii60 all the way. Did you know that there will be a magazine for wii60?!?!:hehe:
And you haven't even played one! How utterly stupid :hehe:

[Dante]

Hmm...

According to a source close to Rockstar North, the team is working on exclusive supplemental content for both systems, which will be made available for download via Microsoft and Sony's respective online services after the game's release next year.

In case you missed it, Microsoft revealed at X06 that Xbox 360 owners will get "exclusive access to two downloadable, epic episodes of GTA IV via Xbox Live, each with hours of entirely new gameplay and available only on Xbox 360 just months after the release of the title".

We're told to expect much the same deal on PS3, except unique to the platform. Interestingly, the downloadable content, our source maintains, will take the form of brand new areas which will link into the main GTAIV game world.

"Think of the world as a large island - the new downloadable areas will be like smaller islands linking into it," the source explained. (Which is a structural analogy, rather than a suggestion that the game is set on an island, we hasten to add.)

www.eurogamer.net (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=68768)

[pedrocasilva]

http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/1723/k103oo8.jpg

[rokhed00]

http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/1723/k103oo8.jpg

That's the only kind of PS3 I'm interested in.

[Domstercool]

Mine aren't, but I thought I'd point it out :heh: (You're not supposed to put the 360 on the floor though i belive)

Well it seems to have outlast everyone who doesn't put it on the floor :D

[pedrocasilva]

PS3 development chief makes the case for next-gen discs


Launch titles for the PlayStation 3 are already "getting up close" to the 25GB limit on current Blu-Ray discs, according to Sony's worldwide studios boss Phil Harrison, who was responding to criticism of the PS3's adoption of Blu-Ray.

Launch titles for the PlayStation 3 [games] are already "getting up close" to the 25GB limit on current Blu-Ray discs, according to Sony's Phil Harrison, who was responding to criticism of the PS3's adoption of Blu-Ray.

"Already, at our launch titles, we're getting up close to the 25GB limit that we have on our Blu-Ray discs this year," he claimed. "Next year we'll raise that to 50GB, and I'd expect that we’ll be getting close to that in the fairly near future as well."

Speaking in an interview with GamesIndustry.biz journalist Rob Fahey, Harrison decried suggestions that the Blu-Ray drive had been included in the machine purely to push Sony's agenda with regard to Blu-Ray movies.

"It's got nothing to do with movies," he responded. "DVD is not sufficient capacity to power the kind of data consumption, or to feed the data consumption needs of Cell and RSX - just purely as a gameplay device, we need Blu-Ray to supply the kind of data that PS3 games use."

Harrison also responded to questioning about the claim that the capacity of Blu-Ray will be used simply to provide more high definition movie sequences, effectively filling the discs - and games - with non-interactive content.

"It's not just about graphics," he said. "It's about 7.1 audio, it's about speech, it’s about having up to 1080p movies built into the game; it's high res textures, it's animation, it's everything that goes into making a very rich and varied next-gen experience. Partly it's visual, partly it's sound, and partially it'll be down to gameplay benefits as well - more levels, more detail, richer experiences."
However, he also defended the right of developers to include rendered video in their - a key feature of many titles, even on next-generation systems.
"I see nothing wrong with having non-interactive, full HD sequences as part of the game," he said. "That's all part of the production value and the experience that you get when you buy the game. I don't see that as a weakness at all."
The Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 has been blamed both for contributing heavily to the cost of the system, and for causing the production delays which ultimately led to the decision to move the European launch back to 2007. Microsoft has accused Sony of taking choice away from consumers by including Blu-Ray - the Xbox 360 will have an optional external HD-DVD drive, although this can only be used for movie playback and will not be accessible to game developers.
Meanwhile, some consumers have questioned the value of Blu-Ray to videogames, given the ability of developers to fit games on the scale of Xbox 360 and PC title Oblivion onto a single DVD - although it should be noted that Oblivion, despite its scale, is a relatively early next-gen title. Many early titles in the previous generation shipped on CDs, but DVDs were widespread within a year to eighteen months, as developers learned to exploit more of the systems' functionality and streamlined the content creation process.
Harrison acknowledged that some early titles will not make full use of Blu-Ray's capacity, but was adamant that the standard will be vital to the PS3 in the coming years. "Not every game is going to fill 25 or 50GB," he said. "I completely accept that - but there will be games that require that this year, and will push that further in years to come."
Phil Harrison was speaking in an exclusive interview on the PlayStation 3, which is currently being serialised on the recently launched ThreeSpeech website, with additional excerpts set to appear on GamesIndustry.biz in the coming days.Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=20417

These three phrases pretty much sum it:

"high definition movie sequences, effectively filling the discs - and games - with non-interactive content."

"it’s about having up to 1080p movies built into the game"

"I see nothing wrong with having non-interactive, full HD sequences as part of the game"

LOL, sure... fill Bluray with 1080p FMV's to justify it, if I were them I would encode them in MPEG2, as it takes more space than H.264, yeah, we have a plan.

[Shino]

Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=20417

These three phrases pretty much sum it:

"high definition movie sequences, effectively filling the discs - and games - with non-interactive content."

"it’s about having up to 1080p movies built into the game"

"I see nothing wrong with having non-interactive, full HD sequences as part of the game"

LOL, sure... fill Bluray with 1080p FMV's to justify it, if I were them I would encode them in MPEG2, as it takes more space than H.264, yeah, we have a plan.

It is the perfect system for a certain hypocrite-sama.

[Hellfire]

I'm speechless.

You're not supposed to put the 360 on the floor though i belive
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7954/360onpq7.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=360onpq7.jpg)

[Cube]

So, the future of gaming is about watching films? Its so simple, why didn't I think about that!

[mario_jr]

So, the future of gaming is about watching films? Its so simple, why didn't I think about that!

No the future is about playing games with out playing games: peace: ......Does that even make sense:wtf: ????

[ZeldaFreak]

Or you can use the floor:heh:

But I don't want to burn the floor dude :laughing:

No the future is about playing games with out playing games: peace: ......Does that even make sense:wtf: ????

Yes I know its not a movie neither is it playing a game its called:

An Interactive movie

Didn't sega try this with the saturn and was a crap idea on their horror version film

[Domstercool]

Do people hate FMVs that much? I personally love them in RPGs and such. I'm all up for High Def Anime style cutscenes.

[pedrocasilva]

Do people hate FMVs that much? I personally love them in RPGs and such. I'm all up for High Def Anime style cutscenes.I have nothing against FMV, and, like you I like them in RPG's... but justifying blu-ray with it is just stupid.

If you read it close all phill harisson says is that now developers can fill those discs with 1080p videos. and he says this several times over. what does that have to do with games needing it?

Seriously, nowadays I can fill 250 GB quite easily, specially if I ignore compression or just waste space, but is it needed? there will be games using 25 GB no doubt, specially as Sony wants to justify that space and it acts as a anti-piracy measure on it's own... but games won't really benefit from it.

Although I'll agree that DVD is limited for the next 5 years of HD (and developers have expressed that)... it's seems they (sony) are justifying that with video alone... seems dumb to me, and has nothing to do with films. if you filled a DVD with video this generation you wouldn't have space for games too. lol. But few games maxed a 8,5 GB dual layer disc. PS2 used them in GTA SA and all, but textures lacked S3TC compression (that would make a DL disk unecessary)

Psone games spanned across as much as 4 discs, but if you took the FMV's it wouldn't even take 1 single CD. 1 CD was massive for PSone hadn't they thought of FMV's.

Said this... I like FMV as a rare occurence like... beggining of the game, middle/turning point, and ending (or multiple endings) I don't like a game were each 5 steps I have a FMV.

Besides... the in-game graphics are supposed to be good enough at this point.

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

Do people hate FMVs that much? I personally love them in RPGs and such. I'm all up for High Def Anime style cutscenes.

I love FMV. It's just not really a selling point for me :p

[Dante]

Ninja Gaiden: Sigma screenshots.
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Bigger screenshots. (http://www.gfdata.de/archiv10-2006-gamefront/2363.html)

[Jamba]

Does anyone else thinks that the Ninja looks all plasticy, kinda like an action figure?

[Cube]

Does anyone else thinks that the Ninja looks all plasticy, kinda like an action figure?

I think its the first PS3 game that looks nice. (graphics-wise)

[Hellfire]

Does anyone else thinks that the Ninja looks all plasticy, kinda like an action figure?

I said this before, but master Dabookerman disagrees, so I must be wrong.

[rokhed00]

Do people hate FMVs that much? I personally love them in RPGs and such. I'm all up for High Def Anime style cutscenes.

I have no problem with FMV, but when a game is just padded out with it to justify a new format then it's not being done for the gamers benefit.

[Dante]

This information is from an article dated today on the Japanese tech site BroadBand Watch
Link: http://bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/special/15818.html

The controller, while using Bluetooth and therefore being wireless, needs to be connected once to the machine by USB cable prior to use so that the machine can detect the cable (pairing process). This process will be necessary every time the console is powered off then on

The lithium battery inside the controller is also recharged using USB connection. Approx. 2.5 hours of recharging is required for a maximum of about 30 hours of play. The controller can be used even if the battery runs out of power by connecting it to the console (USB). However, as the battery cannot be replaced once it becomes unusable (ceases to recharge), the controller has to be replaced or sent for repairs.

:rolleyes:

In his ruling yesterday, Judge Michael Fysh found that Lik-Sang - which offered Japanese PSPs to European consumers via its website - was in breach of intellectual property rights.

Lik-Sang had claimed that it was operating within the law as the company is based in Hong Kong, and has no trading presence in the UK or European Economic Area.

But, as reported by the Financial Times, Judge Fysh ruled that, "The acts of which the complaint is made have, in my view, been perpetrated not in Hong Kong but here in the EEA, and without Sony's consent."

Sony declined to comment directly on the case. However, a spokesperson did tell GI.biz: "The law is clear; grey importing PS2, PSP or PS3 into the EU, without the express permission of SCE is illegal. Therefore, we will utilise the full scope of the law to put a stop to any retailers who chose to do this."

He continued, "Ultimately, we're trying to protect consumers from being sold hardware that does not conform to strict EU or UK consumer safety standards, due to voltage supply differences et cetera; is not - in PS3's case - backwards compatible with either PS1 or PS2 software; will not play European Blu-Ray movies or DVDs; and will not be covered by warranty."

www.gamesindustry.biz (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=20489)

[rokhed00]

This information is from an article dated today on the Japanese tech site BroadBand Watch
Link: http://bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/special/15818.html

The controller, while using Bluetooth and therefore being wireless, needs to be connected once to the machine by USB cable prior to use so that the machine can detect the cable (pairing process). This process will be necessary every time the console is powered off then on

The lithium battery inside the controller is also recharged using USB connection. Approx. 2.5 hours of recharging is required for a maximum of about 30 hours of play. The controller can be used even if the battery runs out of power by connecting it to the console (USB). However, as the battery cannot be replaced once it becomes unusable (ceases to recharge), the controller has to be replaced or sent for repairs.


You couldn't make this stuff up.
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[ZeldaFreak]

The bit about sony getting defensive over importing - its not their fault that you carn't be arsed to make profit on any of there machines

[pedrocasilva]

GAME talks UK PS3 Game Prices
Posted on October 18, 2006 by Alex Donaldson

After the news we reported earlier today that some UK retailers don't know when the PS3 launch is, the UK's largest videogame retailer, GAME (UK's Retailer of the Year) has allegedly recieved information regarding the price of PS3 games in the UK when it launches in 2007.

We have recieved information that employees in no less than three GAME stores - two of them managers - have began disclosing information that they have supposedly recieved word from Sony about the price of PS3 games.

Since the announcement of the PS3's use of a BluRay drive, people have been afraid the games will cost more. If the claims of these stores are true, these fears are set to be confirmed.

The three stores quoted that PS3 games are going to cost 115 Euros in Europe, and 80 Pounds Sterling in the UK.

One of the store managers also said that this price could rise to at least 150 Euros (100,5 pounds) for certain titles.

Bear in mind this is a rumour coming from sources who work for the GAME company. Take it with a pinch of salt.

If true, this is terrible news for PS3 fans in Europe, yet another blow after the launch delay. It also makes PS3 games £20 more expensive the average Xbox 360 game, and £40 more than one for the Wii.Source: http://www.rpgsite.net/news/123.html

Gotta love Blu-Ray, PS3's and Sony's love for Europe :heart:

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

£80?
Yeah, i'm not getting one.

[Pit-Jr]

http://www.ebgames.com/default.asp?sect=1284


$59.00 seems to be the going rate, which is the same as major X360 titles.

[Caris]

£80?
Yeah, i'm not getting one.

Hahaha! It's the N64 all over again, i really didnt think Sony would be this stupid.

they better have something good up there sleave or this will be the last Playstation.

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

Hahaha! It's the N64 all over again, i really didnt think Sony would be this stupid.

they better have something good up there sleave or this will be the last Playstation.

The N64 wasn't the last Nintendo, was it? :p

Oh and-

Sony claimed that their service would be both better than Live, and free, but it's discernable immediately that - for most gamers - being free makes it better, automatically, independent of the offered functionality. The actuality is a good deal more complex than that, but the position can be expressed with such elegance. Let us suppose

Console life cycle = 4 years
1 year Xbox Live service - ~$50
4 x 50 = $200, or the Price Difference Between the 360 and the PS3

There's really nothing to say to that. We've discussed the idea here on the site as it relates to micropayments - that the difference between paying no money for something and paying some money for something isn't a thing you can measure. It isn't like the difference between three dollars and four dollars, let's say. It's the difference between oblivion and infinity - but that kind of imagery isn't even necessary for this exercise. You can simply aggregate it out to the life of the system, watching with horror while - as though in time-lapse footage - a tiny hand zips in and our of your wallet each month, his clutch bursting with cash.
Well, not bursting. It's like Four Bucks. But, yeah. You can't minimize it rhetorically. It's real money.

Comparing each company's scheme for knitting together online communities isn't really an apples to apples thing - with Sony, online is implemented, with Microsoft, online is a shell-level assumption that runs through every application, a potent distinction. It doesn't really matter. I like that there is such a thing as a "Gold Account" that can be revoked based on player behavior. It doesn't matter. Microsoft needs to respond to this. They need to respond to the browser thing, too, even if it's absolutely unimportant and a departure from the whole Goddamn argument.

Eurogamer had a lot to say about Sony's online store, and I haven't seen it, so I don't know. But it served to highlight what a haunted, wretched warren the Xbox Live Marketplace is. That is not how we arrange content on an otherwise world-class service. I always emerge from it gasping for fucking air, having downloaded the first file I saw. I'm always slightly afraid that whatever lives in there will find its way out.

These two machines will be improved monumentally by the competition, and we'll see the benefit in a period of months. My guess would be that Microsoft has the development agility to stay a step ahead, but when Sony was roused by PSP homebrew community they responded with frightening alacrity. The game which sits above the ones we play - historically almost naval, in its pace - is more fascinating than ever, this time around.
Interesting way to look at it. PS3 and 360 are the same price if you add on how much Live costs.

[pedrocasilva]

£80?
Yeah, i'm not getting one.Just a rumor as of yet, I'd say the prices will depend also on how the release of the console and demand goes in US and Japan...

Just like with online micro transactions this is something that Sony is planning or looking into, and will do if they get PS3 to be a instant sucess like PS2, leaving no chance to the competition, then again... if they are left behind in the race or a dropping market percentage... they'll have to drop these ideas... and prices.

(and I think they eventually will)

But prices like this (and microtransactions in GT 4 HD) shouldn't even be considered in the first place.

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

But prices like this (and microtransactions in GT 4 HD) shouldn't even be considered in the first place.

Certainly not. The thought of having to pay more to get all the levels on Lumines Live sickens me enough.
But having to pay for all the cars and tracks really is taking the piss.

[pedrocasilva]

Certainly not. The thought of having to pay more to get all the levels on Lumines Live sickens me enough.
But having to pay for all the cars and tracks really is taking the piss.They'll have to drop that if they don't get as much response as they are waiting for, I'd say GT 4 HD is just a test to see if they can get away with that on GT 5. Or perhaps just a way to pay GT5 costs beforehand, just like GT4 prologue I think the game's development costs were already paid when the game shipped.

I just love how they avoid calling it GT4 demo, or GT 4 HD demo for PS3, lots of people buy it thinking it's the full game.

About N64... I remember that some games costed as much as 90€/60£ at the beggining and then they dropped into the 60€/40£ pricetag... Same will happen with PS3 if they practice these prices at some point.

They have to get at least even with X360 prices.

[Dante]

Devil May Cry 4 TGS 06 Trailer HD :D (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14161&type=wmv)

Sony has revised its financial forecasts the 2006 fiscal year, and as one might expect given the headlines of late, the news isn't all that good. While the company still expects revenues of 8.23 trillion yen (about $69 billion), it has lowered its group operating profit forecast by 62% to 50 billion yen ($424 million) and net profit projection by 38% to 80 billion yen ($678 million).

The biggest single factor in the new estimates is the recent recall of Sony brand lithium batteries. This worldwide operation contributed 51 billion yen ($432 million) to Sony's drop in operating profit expecations.

The company's game division accounted for a 60 billion yen ($508 million) drop in the earnings estimates. The company cited two causes: the changes to the specs and price of the PlayStation 3 and poor sales of the PSP and PS2. The inclusion of HDMI ports in all 20 gigabyte PS3 models as well as other spec changes contributed 14 billion yen ($119 million) to the lowered forecasts. The lowered price of the Japanese hardware contributed 16 billion yen ($136 million). Lower than expected sales of the PSP coupled with overall drop in PS2 performance combined for a 30 billion yen ($254 million) contribution.

Indirectly affected by the games division was Sony's electronics division. Sony cited production changes for semiconductors and other PS3-targeted devices as lowering overall productivity and causing a 33 billion yen ($280 million) drop in expected operating profit.

On the bright side of things, Sony expects a big turn around in profits for 2007.

ps3.ign.com (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740262p1.html)
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Sony's PlayStation 3 Gamer's day is here, and we're live from the even with complete coverage of what's going down. Remember to refresh this page regularly for constant updates, news, and more from the craziness.

1:31pm: Sony representatives let us in the door and we take our seats -- Sony's auditorium is packed with press, photographers, and more.

2:05pm: Kaz Hirai opened the presentation by saying that5every question left concerning the new console would be revealed at this event. The session is covering the following areas:

Whats in the box at launch
Launch titles
Peripherals
PS Network
PS Store
Downloadable Content

The retail box was revealed along with the launch lineup of 22 games including:

Genji
NBA 07
Resistance: Fall of Man
Blazing Angels Call of Duty 3
Fight Night Round 3
Oblivion
F.E.A.R.
Full auto 2
Madden 07
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
NBA 2k7
NBA Live 07
Sonic

Kaz made fun of he E3 presentation by yelling "Ridge Racer!" at the end of his speech. A video was shown and then the podium was handed over to Jack Tretton who talked about what to expect at retail. The basic features of the PS3 $499 and $599 model were shown. It was stressed that the only major differences between the two are hard drive space and the compact flash memory slot.

Tretton then spoke about the importance of Blu-ray. Effective Nov. 17 the first 500,000 units of PS3 will ship with Talladega Nights on Blu-ray before it is available to the public on December 12. We were then shown an extended trailer for the movie.

The next item up for discussion was the SIXAXIS. It was a 20 meter wireless range, 30 hours of battery life for one charge, and a tool that the community is just starting to fully harness. It will come with an AC cord, USB mini-cable, ethernet cable, Multi-AV cable with composite connectors. Tretton said that there is no power brick - only a cord. He slammed the competition for being noisy and having a large external power brick.

First party titles will retail at $59.99. The controller with be $49.99, and the memory card adapter will be 14.99, and the Blue Ray remote will come in December for $24.99.

We were then shown the Retail Channel Interactives, or those lovely game kiosks that can be found at your local EB or Gamestop.

(2:25pm PST)Phil Harrison

Phil introduced Ted Price who gave us a demo of Resistance: Fall of Man. He gave us a weapon demo that showed off the shield, the rocket launcher (the Laark), and the ability to lock-on to enemies. The Hailstorm rifle was shown firing its bouncing projectiles and tossing out a small turret.

He then paused the game and flew the camera through the battle. Advancing the game frame by frame to show how each of the projectiles launched by his grenade acting with individual physics. He then showed The Reapers: independently targetting pistols that can cross and shoot more than one enemy at a time.

There will be 40 players online at once with 6 different modes. Buddy lists, parties, clans, stat tracking, and off-line split screen will all be available at launch.

(2:33pm PST) More Blu-ray
Phil returned and introduced a demo of Genji: Days of the Blade. An alternate dimension action event system was shown off as well as three of the playable characters.

Harrison then stated the importance of true HD gaming. NBA 07 will have the first 1080p, 60 frames per second gameplay, and it is a launch title. The game was shown in action looking very complete. The game was paused and the camera zoomed in to show sweat running down the player's faces, rendered in real-time.

(2:35pm PST) Lair Demo
The main point of the Lair demo was the use of the SIXAXIS controller and how intuitive it is. The demo from the TGS preview event was shown along with the way the controller is slightly tilted and how the dragon reacts.

(2:38pm PST) PS3 at Home
Harrison then turned on a PS3 with the controller. The system launches with the sound of an orchestra tuning and goes directly to the Cross Media Bar. He logged in to the system as Phil H and went into the menu system.

He went to "settings" to change the display settings, sound, security, chat, music, and the Blu-ray settings. He then went to the photo settings and scrolled through date stamped image folders. He then showed 1080p photographs that were incredibly clear. He then showed off the ability to impose pictures on falling post cards that floated to the ground in a 3D slide show.

Music was briefly played, and then the video icon was shown. The video clip thumb nails were running in real time as Phill scrolled through them. He also had some previews for movies (Spider Man 3) that were played for the audience. He then played the trailer for Casino Royale which will launch the same day as PS3.

(2:45pm PST) Network
The networking features was then shown off which is all free and all standard with the console. He went into his icon based friends list and used a predictive text tool to write to someone. You can also use the USB keyboard. This is also where voice chat will be controlled. Harrison then scrolled to the web browser which can display multiple windows. Phil then showed the PS3 E3 Conference in One Minute from YouTube in one of the windows.

(2:50pm PST) Remote Play
Harrison then picked up a PSP and wirelessly ran the Casino Royale trailer on the handheld system. Streaming the media on PSP can now be done in your living room but Harrison said that it will soon be possible from any hotspot in the world. Streaming your PS3 content on the PSP anywhere certainly opens some amazing possibilities.

John Smedley
John then showed off the PlayStation Store. The interface included featured items, demos, downloadable games, top downloads, and what's new. The system has integrated X-Fire which allows current users on the PC to see who's online with PS3.

The store can be built directly into the games. This means that you can make purchases like episodic content within the game. The store has a top story that features the latest content. Downloadable games featured PS1 content that is playable on the PSP and in the future playable on the PS3.

(2:50pm PST) The Store
The downloadable game Blast Factor was highlighted then selected and taken to the store. He proceeded to checkout where there was a wallet and a total. Gamers can either use a credit card or a PlayStation card that can be purchased at retail stores. Parents can set rating limits for downloads to censor material for their children and set allowances in the PS store.

The demo was performed live over the internet to the PS store. This was not a set demo, but actually connected to Sony's online service. The games will be around $14.99 and less. The store also included trailers and will eventually have full movies. The games that are downloaded can be played on up to 5 additional PS3s so you can share with your friends.

The Motorstorm demo will be available through the store at launch and it was then shown on the big screen. Blast Factor was then shown. It was developed by 5 people and has online rankings and dynamic difficulty levels. It looks exactly like Geometry Wars. You can turn objects over by shooting a wave at them which plays into the strategy later in the game.

(3:05pm PST) God of Mini Games
David Jaffe was then brought to the stage to show off his new game. It will be a Feb or March release for a game called Criminal Crackdown. It is a tribute to old multiplayer games from the 16 bit era. It featured what looked like cell shaded vehicles chasing a criminal around a town. The buildings broke apart as players smashed into them.

(3:05pm PST) God of Mini Games
David Jaffe was then brought to the stage to show off his new game. It will be a Feb or March release for a game called Criminal Crackdown. It is a tribute to old multiplayer games from the 16 bit era. It featured what looked like cell shaded vehicles chasing a criminal around a town. The buildings broke apart as players smashed into them. It sort of looked like a cartoony Twisted Metal and looks like a lot of fun.

The presentation ended by going back to Kaz Hirai who invited us to demo the games at the event.

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http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/10/sony_chart2.jpg
Ok, here's a new one: with Sony's announcements today (http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/19/sony-gives-a-bit-further-detail-to-playstation-3-launch/) they've issued a titled "Next-generation Console Comparison Fact Sheet," (downloadable here [DOC]) (http://www.engadget.com/videos/Next-Gen_Comparison%20FINAL.doc)so let's see some facts. First up, were you aware that to use your Xbox 360 Core system you're required to buy the 20GB drive add-on, an HD DVD drive, a wireless controller, and an Xbox Live sub? We weren't either. But hey, it says right there, "requires users to buy" and this is, in fact, a "fact sheet." Of course, none of that's actually true, and what's more, were one to use the Xbox 360 Premium console pack in that chart instead of the Core pack, the total would be $399 for a console with that very same hard drive, wireless controller, and Xbox Live Silver subscription (which provides access to everything but multiplayer) -- remember, kids, an HD DVD drive is not required to do anything but watch high def movies -- it has nothing to do with high def gaming. We hear Microsoft ain't too happy about this chart either and is preparing certain legal action, namely because it could be misleading to otherwise unwitting retail employees selling customers game consoles this holiday season. Go figure.

P.S. -In the interest of fairness, it's also worth pointing out the Wii browser is what will cost you after the first 6 months -- not their online service. What's more, if you download the browser before June of 2007, it's straight up free. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/26/wii-opera-browser-free-worldwide-until-june-2007/) Otherwise, Nintendo hasn't yet announced details of the cost of their online service so far as we know. Another nice one, Sony.

P.P.S. -We just confirmed with Microsoft that another Sony claim -- that you need a memory unit or a hard drive to use the WiFi adapter -- is also false. You can grab a Core pack with no memory card and plug in a WiFi adapter and get on your home network. Sheez Sony, did we mention we moonlight as fact checkers?

www.engadget.com (http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/19/sony-claims-xbox-360-requires-hd-dvd-etc-thus-costs-700)

[Nintendork]

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/10/DSC03104.JPG

Gloss looks really shit. I'll wair for matte.

[KKOB]

Certainly not. The thought of having to pay more to get all the levels on Lumines Live sickens me enough.
But having to pay for all the cars and tracks really is taking the piss.

its not so bad if you get a good amoung in a pack but sony mentioned having to pay for each car seperatly!

the world has gone micro transaction mad and i hate it!

love Lumines though :love:

[The3rdChildren]

I'd still rather spend $700 on an Xbox 360 than on a $500 PS3. Both are expensive anyway and that sheet is full of Sony's patented truth misrepresentation technology.

I'll be willing to bet their online service is nothing on Xbox Live, and that crap about needing a wireless controller is nonsense. With the fact I can connect my wired 360 pad to the PC to play N64 roms, I think I prefer wired to wireless - which the core comes with anyway. You can really see why Microsoft are annoyed at this.

A friend against the 360 and for PS3 was dissing how large it was the other day. I felt it was my duty to inform him just how large the PS3 actually is. It's a monster size. Not that this is particularly detrimental to the console's abilities, but I just like to be right (it's rare for me).

[gaggle64]

Thought I'd just pop in to say, that if there is any one thing on this earth that will make me get a PS3 at any point in the future, Formula 1 06 is it. A-hubba-hubba-hubba-dingaling-a-dingdong.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8434/92839220060921screen001smallon3.th.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=92839220060921screen001smallon3.jpg)

Seriously though, shots like these (http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/driving/f1/screenindex.html) leaves my PC and possible future Halo-ing in serious jepordy. Despite the prices.

[Cubechris]

£80...what.

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

http://darkzero.co.uk/img/screenshot/bluryplaystore1.jpg
Very iTunes innit?
Looks nice all the same.

[That Guy]

I'd still rather spend $700 on an Xbox 360 than on a $500 PS3. Both are expensive anyway and that sheet is full of Sony's patented truth misrepresentation technology.

I'll be willing to bet their online service is nothing on Xbox Live, and that crap about needing a wireless controller is nonsense. With the fact I can connect my wired 360 pad to the PC to play N64 roms, I think I prefer wired to wireless - which the core comes with anyway. You can really see why Microsoft are annoyed at this.

A friend against the 360 and for PS3 was dissing how large it was the other day. I felt it was my duty to inform him just how large the PS3 actually is. It's a monster size. Not that this is particularly detrimental to the console's abilities, but I just like to be right (it's rare for me).

Yeah, it's always worth slagging off something you don't really care about to be right.

Anyway I think that sheet is a disgrace. I like Sony and have seen some great products (my boss has a cool Vaio laptop, and we have a cool camcorder and I just bought a tiny camera), but the videogames department are a frigging joke. Why are they allowed to do this? This is why I wont buy a PS3.

[Dante]

Sony's brochure. :wtf:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y279/DarthWoo/sonyad02.jpg

[gaggle64]

Pretty shabby way of flogging your own system, by semi-fictionalising the price of your rival's machine, innit?

[Shino]

They're selling consoles the same way you sell PCs. Fuck them.

[mario_jr]

Oh wow you can download their PS1 and PS2 games cool:yay: ..., Oh wait:blank: fuck that shit when I can just use the backwards capabilities::shrug: . Yeah real smart Sony.

[KKOB]

Oh wow you can download their PS1 and PS2 games cool:yay: ..., Oh wait:blank: fuck that shit when I can just use the backwards capabilities::shrug: . Yeah real smart Sony.

but you can play your downloaded PSone games on your PSP can't you?

[Domstercool]

Yeah you can. The download games are also for the people who don't own the PSX games. It's also really good for those rare games you can't find anymore.

[Hero-of-Time]

Yeah you can. The download games are also for the people who don't own the PSX games. It's also really good for those rare games you can't find anymore.

Agreed. This is really a good feature in my eyes. It will keep many people happy being able to play all the PSOne FF games on the go. Hopefully Parasite Eve will be for download as its one game that I always wanted to play but never got to due to the lack of release over here, oh yeah and Xenogears.

[Domstercool]

Parasite Eve is brilliant. As you can probably tell from my sig at the bottom, I love the game. I had to import it on my original PSX! :D

[Hero-of-Time]

Although I sold my PSP ages ago I was wondering if anyone has picked up Power Stone Collection yet? If so care to say how well it plays on the PSP?

Cheers

[Kurtle Squad]

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/10/DSC03104.JPG

Gloss looks really shit. I'll wair for matte.

:hmm: :sad: :weep: :angry: WHAT THE HELL?!?!

FUgly!!!! They make the console not nice to look at then make it look even crapper with weird crap over it!!

[Ashley]

They made it look shiny! Shinys good. Cause we're all basically magpies.

[Domstercool]

It's just smears and stuff, like any shiny device gets, i.e PSP and DS Lite. You won't really be touching it with your hands much anyway.

[Ashley]

Eww blurred photos suck.

ps, this has nothing to do with the PS3.

[Hero-of-Time]

http://plisk3n.googlepages.com/kona28.jpg

:_;

Thats awesome. Where can you buy those?

[Kurtle Squad]

It's just smears and stuff, like any shiny device gets, i.e PSP and DS Lite. You won't really be touching it with your hands much anyway.

But the shiny plastic on it looks amazingly tacky.

[Stocka]

Heh it's pretty big
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/4021/ps33cg3.jpg

[Dante]

Sony copies Nintendo again, see no10. (http://www.psm3mag.com/page/psm3?entry=it_s_actually_here_psm3)

[AshMat]

You don't need any of those things for an xbox360. Bullshit.

[The fish]

You don't need any of those things for an xbox360. Bullshit.

Yeah, you aren't forced to have the hard drive or the HD-DVD player, you can just play normal DVDs and use memory card.

Oh, and notice how they put "free" in capitals? It makes it stand out.

Oh, and what the fuck does "value for worth" mean?
I kinda has an "all your base" air to it...

[AshMat]

Oh, and what the fuck does "value for worth" mean?
I kinda has an "all your base" air to it...

I lol'ed

Also, they don't mention that the PS3 controller, is not fully wireless.

[Kurtle Squad]

I lol'ed

Also, they don't mention that the PS3 controller, is not fully wireless.

Nope....Probably couldn't figure out the technicalities :heh:



http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a290/Kyruis/ps33cg3.jpg

[triforcemario]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbDVOt-rDSo&eurl=

Worst PS3 advert.... ever.

[The fish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbDVOt-rDSo&eurl=

Worst PS3 advert.... ever.

No, this is the worst advert...ever.

It made be laugh though. It's more stupid than most nintendo ad's...

[Kurtle Squad]

Make the mundane beautiful
Sony are saying their games are mundane!!! HAHAHAHA

The ad also seems to suggest the PS3 blows up you room.

It also says the PS3 makes the same rules not aply :wtf:

[mario_jr]

That advert is a way of telling the consumer that their life is boring so buy a PS3 :cry:

[KKOB]

That advert is a way of telling the consumer that their life is boring so buy a PS3 :cry:

i'd rather be called boring by sony than be poor or worse a sony fanboy.

[Dante]

The Japanese magazine Otona Fami 2006 gives us some details concerning the stage of development of the various projects of Square Enix :

- Final Fantasy XIII (PlayStation 3): 13%
- Final Fantasy Versus XIII (PlayStation 3): 1.3%
- Itadaki Street DS (Nintendo DS): 50%
- Final Fantasy XII Revenant Wings (Nintendo DS): 40%
- Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix (PlayStation 2): 130% (2 plays)

[That Guy]

I really don't know what to say to that advert...

[AshMat]

That advert is shit... y'know, Xbox360 delivers Hi-Def pictures too.

[mario_jr]

Have any of you heard or read about the game flOw. I read it yesterday on IGN mobile, and I couldn't help but laugh at it. They say there isn't a game like it.....just don't tell them about Spore.:woops: :wink:

[ZeldaFreak]

I'm sure you've all heard sony are giving users the chance to install the game with the weakspot onto their harddrives which speeds up loading times from 15secs to 4secs

[Dante]

Sony is clearly intent on making the PS3 the all-in-one hub for your home entertainment. A new list of media formats supported by the system right out of the box includes a variety of hard and digital formats, and should satisfy the needs of just about everyone.

The hard media has been known for some time, but here's the full list.

BD-ROM
BD-R
BD-RE
DVD-ROM
DVD-R
DVD-RW
DVD+R
DVD+RW
CD-ROM
CD-R
CD-RW
Super Audio CD

The PS3 will also allow you to access a variety of media file formats from the video, music and photo menus of the Cross Media Bar. We're assuming these files can be stored anywhere, including the hard disk and memory cards.

VIDEO
MPEG-1
MPEG-2 (PS,TS)
H.264/MEPG-4 AVC
MPEG-4 SP

MUSIC
ATRAC (.oma .msa .aa3)
AAC (.3gp .mp4)
MP3 (.mp3)
WAV (.wav)

IMAGES
JPEG
GIF
PNG
TIFF
BMP

[AshMat]

My pc plays all but 3 of those formats, and it cost me £40 :p

[KKOB]

The Japanese magazine Otona Fami 2006 gives us some details concerning the stage of development of the various projects of Square Enix :

- Final Fantasy XIII (PlayStation 3): 13%
- Final Fantasy Versus XIII (PlayStation 3): 1.3%
- Itadaki Street DS (Nintendo DS): 50%
- Final Fantasy XII Revenant Wings (Nintendo DS): 40%
- Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix (PlayStation 2): 130% (2 plays)

WTF!!!!!

THATS . . . . sooo good for Nintendo- a few of my friends were only planning on getting PS3 when FF XIII comes out, which wont be for many years yet-so till then they'll be forced to buy more games for their Wiis.

i just cant wait for FF XII . . . some time next year :cry:

[The3rdChildren]

Wow, that ad was great. I showed my gran and she said she'd never let me bring a PS3 over because she doesn't want her nice sofa cushions to blow up.

[kiwikid]

I guess that old lady had lots of Sony batteries in her house. It was like Guy Fawkes night in there.

[DiemetriX]

Lair looks like a very very boring game.
I'm dissapointed in Factor 5.

[Dante]

Scary PS3 Ad: Doll with PS3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YErx0JgCHo)

[The3rdChildren]

Scary PS3 Ad: Doll with PS3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YErx0JgCHo)

Yeah... animatronic dolls are a big no area for me.

[Stocka]

That's scarier than the Grudge 2

[That Guy]

That's scarier than the Grudge 2

QFT and I've not seen it...

[ZeldaFreak]

Thats what the cell processor does to people it absorbed a doll and a human being and transformed itself to be that thing.

Anywho the only reason I would choose to get a ps3 if those bitches at s-e understand something we don't want crystal chronicle ff games we want ff12 and the like or an update of FF7

Come on give us what we want

[Dante]

DMC4 Screens. :D
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/7.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/8.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/9.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/10.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/11.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/12.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/13.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/14.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/15.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/16.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/17.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/18.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/19.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/20.jpg
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/21.jpg

[KKOB]

looks rather pretty! i especially like the second picture for some reason-i think it just looks expensive and pretty!

[Shino]

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1196/12ui7.jpg

[Dante]

According to Mainichi Interactive, in anticipation of hardware shortages, Sony will be selling PlayStation 3 vouchers in Japan this holiday. It's unclear if the "I.O.U." will require a small down payment or the entire ¥49,800.

[immy]

The Japanese magazine Otona Fami 2006 gives us some details concerning the stage of development of the various projects of Square Enix :

- Final Fantasy XIII (PlayStation 3): 13%
- Final Fantasy Versus XIII (PlayStation 3): 1.3%
- Itadaki Street DS (Nintendo DS): 50%
- Final Fantasy XII Revenant Wings (Nintendo DS): 40%
- Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix (PlayStation 2): 130% (2 plays)

Noooooooooooo square why, why dammit!? :cry:

[ZeldaFreak]

According to Mainichi Interactive, in anticipation of hardware shortages, Sony will be selling PlayStation 3 vouchers in Japan this holiday. It's unclear if the "I.O.U." will require a small down payment or the entire ¥49,800.

What a good idea, its like they buy them so its like we won't get any ps3 until the year 2050

On a lighter note I have deceided that I'm going to try and buy me a ps3 as I like it, but I want all 3 consoles.

I'm increasing with complexity and money
i.e
N64
GC + XBOX
XBOX 360 + Wii + PS3

Lets hope microsoft deceides to reduce the price of their software by £5

Then things can work out

[KKOB]

What a good idea, its like they buy them so its like we won't get any ps3 until the year 2050

On a lighter note I have deceided that I'm going to try and buy me a ps3 as I like it, but I want all 3 consoles.

I'm increasing with complexity and money
i.e
N64
GC + XBOX
XBOX 360 + Wii + PS3

Lets hope microsoft deceides to reduce the price of their software by £5

Then things can work out

do you have the money considering your a student?!

[ZeldaFreak]

Hell yes earned my self £50 today being part of a focus group for nestle sampling some nasty sweets under the wonka brand

EDIT: Also I can live food wise on about £50 per month and I have loads of money coming to me in february

[That Guy]

£50 per month? I bet homeless live on more than that...

*cough* More points than Tak *cough*

[immy]

On a lighter note I have deceided that I'm going to try and buy me a ps3 as I like it, but I want all 3 consoles.





someone has seen the light!!

[KKOB]

Hell yes earned my self £50 today being part of a focus group for nestle sampling some nasty sweets under the wonka brand

EDIT: Also I can live food wise on about £50 per month and I have loads of money coming to me in february

50 a month!!!! WTF DO YOU EAT?!?! i spend about 20 a week on food, then i need about 30 for going out.

£50 per month? I bet homeless live on more than that...

*cough* More points than Tak *cough*

WOOOOOT!!! man i love you :love:

someone has seen the light!!

TBF after seeing the PS3 actually demoed on On the Spot it doesn't seem that bad, i knew i'd get one eventually but after seeing it and providing its online is good and Sony dont take the piss charging too much for games or for its downloadable content then i may have to get one a year sooner; probably when i'm in japan premusing i'm not too bad at japanese and that the import prices for NTSC games are a little cheaper.

[ZeldaFreak]

Well I go out maybe once a week and I normally have a pint and a few soft drinks, Tak. but that lasts me a good month. Plus it dead cheap for food and kinda of moderately expensive for going out

Anyway on a lighter note we should respect each console for what it can deliver to the marketplace. I know I particularly in the past have sounded a bit pompus. But I feel we should show the love to all consoles let us not be picky.

[Domstercool]

Who needs to go out when you have so many good games! :P

[ZeldaFreak]

Who needs to go out when you have so many good games! :P

QFT

The only splinter in ps3 armour is that NSTC PS1 and PS2 games carn't play on a PAL PS3 or vice versa

[KKOB]

Who needs to go out when you have so many good games! :P

ME thats who! as much as i love games as a hobby they dont buy me as much joy as a 5quid bottle of wine, some good company and a decent club (aka Poptastic on tuesday nights)

[Chuck]

OMG PS3 overrating on the gadget show - channel 5

[BeerMonkey]

Who needs to go out when you have so many good games! :P

joking? :blank:

*opens windows* theres a lovely world out there including pubs and mates : peace:

[ZeldaFreak]

Not that much overating, they do the same thing for every new gadget for gaming

[Chuck]

all the 'wows' and drueling the baldy was doing. He was glued to it, for dramatic and overating effect.

EDIT : oh no, hes just named the controller in the gadgets of the week.

[ZeldaFreak]

Have you thought they may be seriously impressed with it

[Domstercool]

joking? :blank:

*opens windows* theres a lovely world out there including pubs and mates : peace:

And that is why I can afford so many games, because I don't go out to pubs.

[Chuck]

ok, after watching the wii episode from last week, hes a sore nintendo fan - he was about 10x more amazed, but at least it was true amazement

[Dante]

Only 80k PS3 sold in Japan (http://www.gamefront.de/) now. :shock:

What's worse than 100,000 units at launch? How about 80,000? The Nikkei Keizai Shimbun morning edition reports today that due to component shortages, Sony will have only 80,000 units ready for the PS3's 11/11 Japanese launch. This cuts back by a fifth the initial launch target of 100,000.

The lack of digits in that number is even more staggering when you consider that the PS2 sold out of nearly a million units when it launched back in March of 2000.

Having lived through a few weeks of attempting to obtain a PS3 pre-order, we're not too surprised by the lowered shipping numbers. Allocations disappeared quickly at online retailers that were brave enough to start pre-order programs. The online arm of media retailer Tsutaya ran out of units in 6 minutes according to Nikkei (it felt more like 1 minute to us).

Major electronics chains like Yodobashi Camera won't be taking pre-orders, Nikkei reports, so there's only one option left: line up the day before launch. Although with fewer units to go around, we're considering getting in line starting from the week prior.

[immy]

Only 80k PS3 sold in Japan (http://www.gamefront.de/) now. :shock:


Just read this on gaf...........there's gonna be riots!

[Domstercool]

First scores come out for PS3 games.

Miyazato Golf Club
7-7-7-7

- You can't accurately determine where your shot will fall
- Doesn't really look next-generation

Genji
7-7-7-8

- Bad camera, but looks great
- Challenging for beginners
- Good amount of content
- Good controls

Resistance: Fall Of Man
9-8-8-8

- Standard FPS gameplay
- Excellent netplay
- Very high standard of next-generation

Gundam
8-8-8-8

- Excellent models of Mobile Suits
- Opinions on the game are divided because it relies heavily on accurate input
- The systems are problematic
- Great textures
- Tons of optional and unlockable content
- Overall it's satisfying even though opinions are divided on it

Ridge Racer 7
9-9-9-9

- Totally satisfactory
- The amount of content is totally satisfying
- The high quality of the graphics and sound are very pleasing


WOOO RIDGE RACER. I love that series so I'm very happy with that.

[ZeldaFreak]

First scores come out for PS3 games.

Miyazato Golf Club
7-7-7-7

- You can't accurately determine where your shot will fall
- Doesn't really look next-generation

Genji
7-7-7-8

- Bad camera, but looks great
- Challenging for beginners
- Good amount of content
- Good controls

Resistance: Fall Of Man
9-8-8-8

- Standard FPS gameplay
- Excellent netplay
- Very high standard of next-generation

Gundam
8-8-8-8

- Excellent models of Mobile Suits
- Opinions on the game are divided because it relies heavily on accurate input
- The systems are problematic
- Great textures
- Tons of optional and unlockable content
- Overall it's satisfying even though opinions are divided on it

Ridge Racer 7
9-9-9-9

- Totally satisfactory
- The amount of content is totally satisfying
- The high quality of the graphics and sound are very pleasing


WOOO RIDGE RACER. I love that series so I'm very happy with that.

I'm guessing they are famitsu review scores and if they are thats pretty good for resistance

[rokhed00]

Not only does the PLAYSTATION 3 look like a Victorian waffle iron, it also heats up like one. Fact: The Sony behemoth hoovers up 380 watts of power. Play the console for 4 hours a day and add US $80 to your annual electricity bill. The console needs eight (yes, eight) times the power the PS2 need to propel its gaming goodness as well as twice the Xbox 360's hot hot 160 watts. And the 360 can cook eggs! Meaning? The PS3 can melt floors or something.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3-like-the-360-but-twice-the-heat-211225.php

[ZeldaFreak]

Actually that contradicts what gamespot found with the final retail ps3 that it was both quiet and pretty cool

[gaggle64]

Right up until the exact moment in time the cooling system breaks down for some bizarre reason, instantaneously incinerating you and everyone else within a 25-mile radius of your television.

[ZeldaFreak]

Plus that comment is from a blog and I can bet you they don't have the final version at home.

[Dante]

DMC4 Scans. :D

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5487/95880dmc4f935aar122566lxp5.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1913/95898dmc4f935bbr122363leu1.jpg

[Fierce_LiNk]

And that is why I can afford so many games, because I don't go out to pubs.

I'm just curious, but when you mean going out to pubs, do you also mean going out in general. Things like socialising? It's not intended as a dig, but i'm just curious.

[Kurtle Squad]

joking? :blank:

*opens windows* theres a lovely world out there including pubs and mates : peace:

Your bragging that your life revolves around pubs??? :hmm:

[Dante]

New DMC4 screens.
http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/images/illust/kyrie.jpg
http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/images/illust/kyrie_ss01.jpg
http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/images/illust/kyrie_ss02.jpg
http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/images/illust/kyrie_ss03.jpg

[AshMat]

Wow, those are really beautiful..

[Owen]

Your bragging that your life revolves around pubs??? :hmm:

I'm not really into socialising....i mean going drinking to pubs and clubs.

My area ain't really 'for me' and theres alot of people who i don't really like because there really rude and horrible.

I haven't got much confidence either, so a this time in my life i rather stay home and play games with my mates then go out (although i can't and won't do this forever).

I'm hoping my socialising gets better with age! :D

[Domstercool]

I go out, but not to pubs. I usually hang around with my mates and go to cinemas and such.

[Babooo]

I go into this thread and I see you guys chatting about socializing...

Lets get the ball rolling..........PS3 is crap.............nah I'm kidding.

But seriously I don't think I'll bother with the PS3 for a long time. Its just way too damn expensive at £400+ and I aint too bothered with Blu-Ray and all that stuff. Games aren't looking awesome right now, except for MGS4 right now......maybe once the price goes down, I'll consider getting one.

[Owen]

OK...my views on the PS3.

It's getting better IMO. Motorstorm is finally looking like a must-buy. DMC looks fantastic.

Overall all i'm pleased they delayed it. Now are launch will hopefully be smoother and many more games will be availible at better quality.

I'm looking forward to it, but i'm not hyped at all. Probably because it's not out till next March.

[KKOB]

OK...my views on the PS3.

It's getting better IMO. Motorstorm is finally looking like a must-buy. DMC looks fantastic.

Overall all i'm pleased they delayed it. Now are launch will hopefully be smoother and many more games will be availible at better quality.

I'm looking forward to it, but i'm not hyped at all. Probably because it's not out till next March.

Motorstorms looking better? it still looks like a better looking but less fun version of excite truck.

your pleased they delayed it cos they'd have better launch games?! wtf, PS2 launched with naff all and people still bought it. i can't really see the European launch having that many more consoles or games than the Japanese or American launches-anyone who believes that PS3 will be out by the end of march 07 is a little naive. Sony will be too buys replenishing stock in America and especially japan to have any spare consoles to store for a early 07 European launch, suddenly all those who bought a 360 at launch seem to have done the right thing.

and Owen m'dear are you going to a get a PS3 when it launches as well?

[Owen]

Motorstorms looking better? it still looks like a better looking but less fun version of excite truck.

your pleased they delayed it cos they'd have better launch games?! wtf, PS2 launched with naff all and people still bought it. i can't really see the European launch having that many more consoles or games than the Japanese or American launches-anyone who believes that PS3 will be out by the end of march 07 is a little naive. Sony will be too buys replenishing stock in America and especially japan to have any spare consoles to store for a early 07 European launch, suddenly all those who bought a 360 at launch seem to have done the right thing.

and Owen m'dear are you going to a get a PS3 when it launches as well?

I am yes. Only because my brother is buying it. :)

[Domstercool]

I just want Ridge Racer 7! I'm a RR whore :D

[KKOB]

I am yes. Only because my brother is buying it. :)

god i'd hate to have siblings-all the sharing and arguing about whose turn it is and then going in a strop and throwing said PS3 out of the window cos its taking YEARS to load. hehe

I just want Ridge Racer 7! I'm a RR whore :D

RR7 looks soooo much better than RR6. still Bunout is the best arcade racer in the world but RR is a close second.

[Domstercool]

Yeah I agree there, burnout truly does rock.

[Dante]

PlayStation games boxes.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/743/743937/first-ps3-game-case-shots-20061103110116527.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/743/743937/first-ps3-game-case-shots-20061103110102434.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/743/743937/first-ps3-game-case-shots-20061103110123871.jpg

[Fierce_LiNk]

I go out, but not to pubs. I usually hang around with my mates and go to cinemas and such.

Ok, that's alright. I was just worried that you were a recluse who has never seen sunlight, due to staying in playing games. :heh:

Those PS3 boxes are really small. How big is the disc, again?

[Fierce_LiNk]

And what if he was?

I would hope that he at least socialises through his love of gaming. For example, splitscreenining. But yeah, as the old BT ads go, its good to talk.

[KKOB]

Ok, that's alright. I was just worried that you were a recluse who has never seen sunlight, due to staying in playing games. :heh:

Those PS3 boxes are really small. How big is the disc, again?

normal CD size i think.

just the boxes are small-really dont like the BD case design nor the PS3 logo on the spine of the box.

[Domstercool]

PS3 Special On The Spot on right now! :)

[Ashley]

Could they have chose an odder game for the PS2 comparrison?

And oh noes, PS3 boxes won't fit in DVD racks! Crisis.

[Domstercool]

Lots of Ridge Racer 7 on the Gamespot thing. It makes me happy!

[KKOB]

Lots of Ridge Racer 7 on the Gamespot thing. It makes me happy!

super monkey ball banana blitz made me laugh the other day 'On The Spot'.

i'm so glad that Wii is out this year, the fun i can have on PS3 i can already have on 360 pretty much-Wii looks to be insanely fun and purdy! :D

anywho enough about Wii already!

[Kurtle Squad]

PlayStation games boxes.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/743/743937/first-ps3-game-case-shots-20061103110116527.jpg

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW...I see that Sony are gonna try and rip people off with Blu-Ray disc stands...

[Owen]

I don't like the cases, but that doesn't matter, it's the game inside which is important.

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

i'm so glad that Wii is out this year, the fun i can have on PS3 i can already have on 360 pretty much-Wii looks to be insanely fun and purdy! :D


If you're willing to miss out on a lort of fantastic looking games, then yes.

[m_fergy]

i'm so glad that Wii is out this year, the fun i can have on PS3 i can already have on 360 pretty much


True, Thats why im only getting a PS3 for the PS3 exclusives, and same goes for the Wii. I will use my 360 as my main console

[KKOB]

True, Thats why im only getting a PS3 for the PS3 exclusives, and same goes for the Wii. I will use my 360 as my main console

wii will be my 'main console' because nintendo make the best games, and i always buy the most games for nintendo formats-just one of those things.

[The3rdChildren]

By having as many consoles as possible you really do get a broader range of titles to play and enjoy. Long live the Xbox 360 and Wii.

[That Guy]

wii will be my 'main console' because nintendo make the best games, and i always buy the most games for nintendo formats-just one of those things.

Whats a 'main console'? Surely they're just 'console'? I can't get my head around it. Whats going to be the difference between having a console as a main console and your other one?

I'll have Wii and 360 and both will be next to each other, so someone explain.

[m_fergy]

Well if a game comes out on all 3 consoles I will get it for my 360 because its my main console

I will only get games for the Wii and PS3 that I cant get on the 360

[That Guy]

OK kinda makes sense. I'll get it for whichever console it's best on. For example if it's got really great Wii controls I'll get it for that, but if not I'll get it for 360 with HD graphics and Live.

Thing I love about finally owning a system not by Nintendo is loads of different kinds of games I wouldn't have had chance to play before, like Oblivion, PGR etc.

[AshMat]

And what if he was?

I agree, staying in all day to play games is awesome!

[That Guy]

I agree, staying in all day to play games is awesome!

Who needs real friends when you've got internet friends?!

(to clarify I'm not suggesting he doesn't have real friends :D)

[Domstercool]

I so want Ridge Racer 7! Ridge Racer always seems to fit the best on a Sony syetem for some reason. It's really hard to pinpoint but they always just seem to fit so well. Guess I might get one closer to launch than I thought.

[KKOB]

OK kinda makes sense. I'll get it for whichever console it's best on. For example if it's got really great Wii controls I'll get it for that, but if not I'll get it for 360 with HD graphics and Live.

i agree, but Wii will be my main console because it will be the one i play the most, introduce all my frineds to and buy the most games for.

like the gamecube was my main console cos i bought more than 40 GC games compared to about 20 PS2 and 15 XBOX games. i only ever buy the best games that come out-just one of those things really.

[Dante]

new DMC4 screens.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/743/743971/devil-may-cry-4-20061103004320142.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/743/743971/devil-may-cry-4-20061103004311486.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/743/743971/devil-may-cry-4-20061103004318767.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/743/743971/devil-may-cry-4-20061103004321549.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/743/743971/devil-may-cry-4-20061103004315330.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/743/743971/devil-may-cry-4-20061103004316924.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/743/743971/devil-may-cry-4-20061103004310142.jpg
http://www.ownage.nl/images/content/47310.jpg
http://www.ownage.nl/images/content/47314.jpg
http://www.ownage.nl/images/content/47315.jpg

[That Guy]

i agree, but Wii will be my main console because it will be the one i play the most, introduce all my frineds to and buy the most games for.

like the gamecube was my main console cos i bought more than 40 GC games compared to about 20 PS2 and 15 XBOX games. i only ever buy the best games that come out-just one of those things really.

I told my mom what I'd pre ordered tonight and she was like :D I've got to have a go of that. It's gonna be fucking awesome. :D I'm so hyped for Wii. Still kinda not bothered about PS3 even though I've become more open minded about video games in general, I just can't see anything to get excited about.

[Stocka]

By having as many consoles as possible you really do get a broader range of titles to play and enjoy. Long live the Xbox 360 and Wii.
lol classic

[rokhed00]

I told my mom what I'd pre ordered tonight and she was like :D I've got to have a go of that. It's gonna be fucking awesome. :D

What, playing games with your mum?
As much as going underwear shopping with her?

[jakeee]

I tried Motorstorm and Resistance: Fall of man yesterday. Motorstorm looked great but it was slow as hell. I heard it was an old version of the game. Resistance looked quite good also but it was nothing special. Just another FPS.

[Dante]

PS3 vs Rubix Cube Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46DJWqZ8c0g&mode=related&search=)

PS3 Smarter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4GrzpPCD9k)

PS3 Capacity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZUUyVFhB_I)

[Shino]

PS3 vs Rubix Cube Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46DJWqZ8c0g&mode=related&search=)

PS3 Smarter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4GrzpPCD9k)

PS3 Capacity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZUUyVFhB_I)

That's a HUGE Rubix cube.

[Kurtle Squad]

That's a HUGE Rubix cube.

It's got 6ft dimensions :heh:

[That Guy]

What, playing games with your mum?
As much as going underwear shopping with her?

Haha, yeah yeah, I meant just how it seems like a lot more people will be interested in Wii. :p

[Dante]

Sony again. (http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/11/07/ps3s-cell-three-times-more-powerful-as-the-xbox-360-processor.htm):hmm:

[gmac]

love that sony :)

[KKOB]

Sony again. (http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/11/07/ps3s-cell-three-times-more-powerful-as-the-xbox-360-processor.htm):hmm:

LMAO!!!

God bless Sony and all who sink in her!

[Dante]

After leaving Sony’s Gamers’ Day event last week, we were much more impressed with the PlayStation 3 than our prior experience with it at Tokyo Game Show and other press events. What most notably grabbed our attention was how first, second, and third party developers have tailored their PlayStation 3 titles to work with the motion sensing Sixaxis controller. While some games utilized this new technology better than others, we’ve got the details on how each title works with the Sixaxis, and our thoughts on whether or not this added immersion is necessary so far.

Note: Each of these games is still in development, and Sixaxis controls could change prior to release.

First Party Titles:

Resistance: Fall of Man – Resistance uses the Sixaxis differently in single player than in multiplayer. The only portion of the single player game that uses the Sixaxis is when you are attacked and grabbed by a Leaper or Menial. By shaking the controller you can free yourself from the enemy and pummel it with a melee attack.

On the multiplayer side of things, things get much more interesting. If you’re tagged by a Chimerian bullseye rifle (that attaches a homing beacon), set on fire, about to get flamed from an air-fuel grenade, or zapped with an Arc Charger, you can shake yourself free.

Finally, by tilting the controller either left or right you can get updated real-time leaderboard stats and map callout.

NBA 07 – By jabbing the controller forward you can execute a juke step, backwards to hesitate, and left or right to crossover in that direction. Spin moves are controlled by treating the controller like a steering wheel, and rotating the controller left or right.

Genji: Days of the Blade – When your character is approaching enemies you can tilt the controller left, right, backwards and forwards to dodge enemies. However, this can also be done by pressing the right analog stick.

Third Party Titles:

Blazing Angels Squadrons of WWII – There are two alternate control schemes that utilize the motion and tilt functionality: Arcade and Simulation. The Arcade scheme has you turning the controller to turn the plane, and tilting the controller up and down to control pitch. Roll is mapped to the right analog stick.

In Simulation mode, roll the plane by tilting the controller left or right, and pitch is still mapped to tilting the controller up or down. Turning the plane left or right is mapped to the right stick.

Call of Duty 3 – If you’ve ever wanted to effectively smack your enemy in the face, melee attacks are now mapped to the tilt functionality. A quick twist right will butt enemies with your weapon.
You can also steer vehicles such as a jeep, and twist to arm an explosive.

Fight Night Round 3 – It’s time to fight dirty. Each of the boxers has dirty moves (either default or you can choose), and by shaking or thrusting the controller forward a little bit you'll unleash an upper illegal move like a headbutt or elbow. If you rattle the controller while holding down L1 it'll release a lower illegal move like a knee or a low blow.

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion: There are no plans for The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion to support the Sixaxis controller.

F.E.A.R.: There are currently no plans for F.E.A.R. to support the Sixaxis controller.

Full Auto 2: Battlelines: There are no plans for Full Auto 2: Battlelines to support the Sixaxis controller.

Madden NFL 07: Fake snaps by jerking the controller backwards or forwards to draw the defense off guard. You can also initiate hit-stick shots on defense and lead-blocking blocks on offense by jolting the Sixaxis up or down.

Marvel: Ultimate Alliance: Gestures with the Sixaxis allow you to power-up charges, jump higher, and throw objects harder and further. Some of the playable characters get a statistics bump when pulling off Extreme Powers by thrusting the controller down at the right time.

Many of the Marvel: Ultimate Alliance’s boss battles incorporate a rhythm pattern in which to do specific movements with the controller to combat the boss more effectively.

Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire: There are no plans for Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire to support the Sixaxis controller.

NBA 2K7: The only portion of the game that uses the Sixaxis is with free throws. You can actually hold the controller like you would toss it towards a basket.

Need For Speed Carbon: The Sixaxis controller basically acts to assist your steering by turning the controller like a steering wheel hard while you've got the analog stick pegged. Depending on how fast you are going and how tight the turn is, the Sixaxis assist may give you a little extra help to steer you in harms way.

NHL 2K7: 2K Sports has implemented Sixaxis control with both checking and Crease Control. By shaking the controller when next to an opponent you’ll check them. For Crease Control you’ll be able to rotate the direction of the cone of what you’re blocking. You’ll also be able to make saves by moving the cursor to block shots.

Ridge Racer 7: Namco plans on allowing for steering and gear shift changes with the Sixaxis. You will be able to shift gears by jolting the controller away from you to downshift, and towards you to upshift.

Sonic the Hedgehog: There are currently no plans for Sonic The Hedgehog to support the Sixaxis controller.

Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07: Instead of having to pound on a button to control how fast the ball should spin after a shot, you can tilt the controller in the direction you want the ball to spin. The more you tilt the faster the ball will spin.

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas: With Vegas, the Sixaxis controller is used in conjunction with the snake cam. When snake caming under a door, tilt the controller left or right to move the camera and tag terrorists.

Tony Hawk’s Project 8: There are two main control schemes for Tony Hawk’s Project 8 – the normal setting, and the Sixaxis setting. With the Sixaxis setting almost everything is controlled with the tilt functionality. Tilting the controller side to side allows you to steer your boarder, and balance while grinding. Flicking the Sixaxis enters your skater into a manual and balancing is done by tilting forward and backward. Revert or pivot by quickly twisting the Sixaxis. By tilting the controller with a combination of button presses allows for grab and flip tricks.

When you’re attempting Nail the Trick, tilt the controller forward and backward to pull off either a kick flip or heel flip. Rocking the controller side to side executes an impossible, and twisting the controller will perform a shove-it.

Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom: There are no plans for Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom to support the Sixaxis controller.

Initial Thoughts:

So far, our experience with the PlayStation 3 titles that support Sixaxis functionality are hit and miss. It’s actually quite surprising that any games truly benefit at all since almost all of the developers found out about this control scheme the same time we did – at E3 2006. While we haven’t tried every single PlayStation 3 title that’s appearing in the launch window, the few that do a solid job are Resistance: Fall of Man, Call of Duty 3, NHL 2K7, Tony Hawk’s Project 8, and Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07.

Even though all the games in the above list have Sixaxis motion sensing as optional, for the few that have some serious benefits it could be what sways people from buying the Xbox 360 version of the title, and opting for the PlayStation 3 version. While we don’t have any final verdicts until we get our hands on review versions of the game, for now we’re excited about what little things that the Sixaxis can offer gamers with certain games. We don’t expect every game to use or need it, but we’re all for being even more immersed into the next generation.

www.gameinformer.com (http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Sto...1835.51031.htm)

[rokhed00]

This week, some of our deepest fears about Sony's online service were confirmed when Insomniac's Ted Price revealed in an interview that one of the biggest launch titles for the console, Resistance: Fall of Man, is set to use its own buddy list, clan registry, in-game messaging and chat services, and so on. While the game sounds like it has a very extensive and comprehensive range of online gaming options, and it runs on Sony's international network of servers to guarantee a high standard of network performance for online play, the simple fact is that the last hurdle Sony needed to jump has been missed, at least for the launch titles. The central buddy list doesn't integrate into the game; you'll need to add all your friends again to play against them in Resistance.

The ball, in other words, has not so much been dropped; it has been hurled at the ground with alarming force. Sony has done the hard work - it has built a console operating system which can be updated over the network, which is always-on and network aware, which can handle multiple user profiles and friend lists, messaging and chat, and so on. It has built an infrastructure which can support multiplayer games running on remote servers with players all over the world taking part. Somehow, however, it has failed to take the final step - actually providing the single sign-in, single-ID, single profile service which lies at the core of a console multiplayer offering.

The reasons developers cite for this problem are simple; the libraries to do this were not available early enough. The speculation they offer for why that happened is intriguing, however; there is a strong suggestion that until relatively recently, Sony had planned on simply offering games a connection to the Internet and letting them get on with whatever buddy lists, profiles, match-making and so on they wanted, completely unaware of any other game on the system. This is how the PlayStation 2 worked online, much to the chagrin of users.

Someone, somewhere within Sony, wanted things to stay that way. It's an illustration of just how out of touch a company can be from what its consumers want or need to enjoy their experience of a console and its software, and thankfully it was overturned. PS3 will, eventually, sport a unified online interface - but the tragic thing is that whatever internal battle resulted in this decision was won far too late. PS3, at launch, will be crippled in an online sense by an admittedly promising service in the operating system which is not utilised by key, big-name online titles such as Resistance. As teething troubles go, it's an absolutely huge one - and Sony will have to work very hard to win back the confidence of gamers who had been drawn in by the promise of single sign-in online gaming on the platform. It may be forgiveable in launch titles - but if the second wave of PS3 games doesn't cement the vision of a unified online gaming service, the price Sony has to pay for this oversight may be one that's difficult for the company to stomach.


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[The fish]

Sony again. (http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/11/07/ps3s-cell-three-times-more-powerful-as-the-xbox-360-processor.htm):hmm:

Lol, I love that: "3 times as powerful as a 360 CPU!"
The 360 has 3 CPU's...

[KKOB]

Lol, I love that: 3 times as powerful as a 360 CPU!
The 360 has 3 CPU's...

LMFAO!!!

didn't notice that-glad you pointed it out just for comic relief.

[Dante]

Atari and Chuck E. Cheese founder Nolan Bushnell has strongly criticized Sony, predicting that the PS3 will fail and that Sony's great success with its first two consoles was merely "accidental." He didn't have anything nice to say about Atari either...

Atari founder and gaming pioneer Nolan Bushnell may not be closely connected to the traditional video game business anymore—he founded Chuck E. Cheese and more recently a digital entertainment bistro called uWink—but he's certainly got some very strong opinions on the video game industry today. Speaking to business publication Red Herring, Bushnell offered such harsh words for Sony as well as his old Atari.


Regarding the prospects for the PlayStation 3 he said, "I think Sony shot themselves in the foot... there is a high probability [they] will fail. The price point is probably unsustainable. For years and years Sony has been a very difficult company to deal with from a developer standpoint. They could get away with their arrogance and capriciousness because they had an installed base. They have also historically had horrible software tools. You compare that to the Xbox 360 with really great authoring tools [and] additional revenue streams from Xbox live... a first party developer would be an idiot to develop for Sony first and not the 360. People don't buy hardware, they buy software."


And the attack didn't stop there. Bushnell went on to say that Sony doesn't even deserve the credit for successfully selling over 100 million units of the PS1 and PS2, each. "It wasn't anything brilliant that they did. With the PS and PS2 it was timing. They had the right pricing at the right time [and were] almost the accidental winner," he asserted. "It would not surprise me if a year from now they'll be struggling to sell 1 million units. [Factoring in the PS3's price], I think in the U.S. the number of early adopters you have is actually around 300,000."


As for his old company, Bushnell didn't exactly have kind words for the current Atari/Infogrames either. "It really isn't a part of today's gaming world in any meaningful way. They lost the cachet of being a leading technology company in the games space," he said.


So what does he like in the gaming space? Bushnell is apparently "very curious and interested" in the Wii and he believes "Xbox Live is interesting because it potentially becomes the platform for the living room." There's certainly the possibility for that when you consider that Microsoft just launched an HD television and movie service (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14352) for Xbox Live.


For more, check out the full interview (http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=19611&hed=Atari+Founder+Likes+Xbox360%2C+Disses+PS3&sector=Industries&subsector=EntertainmentAndMedia).

GameDaily BIZ (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14378)

[rokhed00]

Looks like real time weapons changing and giant enemy crabs aren't all they were cracked up to be.

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/744/744611p1.html

[Domstercool]

Heh, well the first genji wasn't that great either, so it's really no surprise.

Still want Ridge Racer 7!!!

My friend said a pretty interesting thing, which I do agree with.

"At the end of the day - when you stomach the price - the PS3 is a quieter machine than the 360 with about equal or perhaps a little bit better performance, with 50GB media as standard...

.integrated free online functionality complete with a Marketplace style substitute and an "Arcade" that already has a couple of really promising indie projects on the way. How is that - in any fathomable way - a bad thing?"

[Jamba]

Looks like real time weapons changing and giant enemy crabs aren't all they were cracked up to be.

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/744/744611p1.html

I don't get it. If that was a Nintendo game it would have got 4.5 or something. They say that the sound score was limited but good and they gave it an 8.5? Being a bit generous from the sound of it really...

[Dante]

PS3 Sixaxis Ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyFrekxy7wg)

[Jamba]

PS3 Sixaxis Ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyFrekxy7wg)

Not a bad ad. Ripped the crows right off of Condemned though. From what I've heard from ppl though Sixaxis tilt control blows though. It's gonna be a forgotten feature in about a year I recon.

[KKOB]

"At the end of the day - when you stomach the price - the PS3 is a quieter machine than the 360 with about equal or perhaps a little bit better performance, with 50GB media as standard...

.integrated free online functionality complete with a Marketplace style substitute and an "Arcade" that already has a couple of really promising indie projects on the way. How is that - in any fathomable way - a bad thing?"

Its a good thing but Sonys arrogance is very bad, also their consistant lying and truth stretching gets on everyones tits (stretching back as far as the PS2 pre launch and the Kill Zone 2 megaton (or lack of)) and the very limited launch numbers, slagging off of anything else no matter how stupid they sound, a high price tag that isn't really justified for anyone not bothered by BD (EVERYONE pretty much) and its most important games going multiformat i think has contributed to the 'bad hype' surrounding PS3 up until now.

[KKOB]

I WANT A PSP AGAIN FOR LUMINES 2!!!!

:cry:

[SimonM7]

Its a good thing but Sonys arrogance is very bad, also their consistant lying and truth stretching gets on everyones tits (stretching back as far as the PS2 pre launch and the Kill Zone 2 megaton (or lack of)) and the very limited launch numbers, slagging off of anything else no matter how stupid they sound, a high price tag that isn't really justified for anyone not bothered by BD (EVERYONE pretty much) and its most important games going multiformat i think has contributed to the 'bad hype' surrounding PS3 up until now.

Well that's sort of my point; when you purchase one and you sit there on a friday with a couple of PS3 games playing the thing, what Sony has said doesn't really play into it, at all. I'm not particularly fond of Sony and their PR machine, and god knows (well Domstercool does anyway) I've given the PSP a hard time - but playing Lumines, it really doesn't seem to matter.

I'm not saying we should just smile as they tell us blatant lies, but it's just a realisation that no matter how worked up we get about formalities and the price, if we just get one, in the end we just may wind up being rather satisfied with it. It's a scary thought, perhaps, but there you have it.

[Hellfire]

Heh, well the first genji wasn't that great either, so it's really no surprise.

Still want Ridge Racer 7!!!

My friend said a pretty interesting thing, which I do agree with.

"At the end of the day - when you stomach the price - the PS3 is a quieter machine than the 360 with about equal or perhaps a little bit better performance, with 50GB media as standard...

.integrated free online functionality complete with a Marketplace style substitute and an "Arcade" that already has a couple of really promising indie projects on the way. How is that - in any fathomable way - a bad thing?"

It all comes down to the games though, that's all that matters. Of course that at 599$ it's always hard to achieve greatness.

[Advance]

WTF, crazy americans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l7ng-U_fks
Playstion Pornable

[Domstercool]

I'm going to order Lumines 2, Every Extend Extra and Gunpey next week for my PSP! :D

[Domstercool]

Well it will certainly have the RPGs and been a none fanboy and big fan of RPGs I'll have to get myself one. TBH it will still get exclusives. Mainly from Japanese devs I bet as well.

[Pit-Jr]

Sony is trying to cover all bases with the PS3 and i suppose if your a frequent gamer that will constantly use all of its functions, the PS3 will be a great choice. My only question mark is how long will one last? If its built like a tank then perhaps its well worth the money. I have my doubts though. Anyway-semi-new PS3 info

Engadget has revealed some technical details on PlayStation 3.

The PS3 BluRay drive is quieter than the DVD Drive on Xbox 360
Standard PC USB keyboard and mouse works on PS3 via Plug n' Play, but Bluetooth keyboard and mouse do not work
PS3 only recognizes EyeToy camera, not other USB webcams
Sony does not have plans to have a VGA out option for PS3
PS3 can support up to 7 wireless controllers
Sony does not plan to release a Sixaxis controller with built-in vibration
PS3 can play custom sound tracks in a game, using the built-in Media Playback software
Some PS3 games can be installed onto the hard drive to shorten load times. For example, the load time of Genji: Days of the Blade has reduced from 12-15 seconds to 3-4 seconds. The cache can be removed at anytime.
You can only send text messages to other users on PlayStation Network, voice or picture messages are not yet available.
- Dav Karraker, senior director of Sony Corp., said that there is a good chance players can download and play Sega Saturn games on PlayStation 3 in future.

[SimonM7]

That would be cool, though I suppose most people these days would go "a Sega whaturn!?"

[Owen]

Don't go holding your breath for a March European launch!

That Harris bloke would not confirm that it will be launched March 2007 in Europe in a interview on Eurogamer.net today! Therefore making me believe it's still going to be tight to even get the PS3 ready for then! :blank:

I heard rumours of May a little while back....these may turn out true!

This is all because of the Blu-Ray thing right? Maybe they should of done what Microsoft did and do a external Blu-Ray player and launch that on it's own when it's ready? Maybe?

[rokhed00]

This is all because of the Blu-Ray thing right? Maybe they should of done what Microsoft did and do a external Blu-Ray player and launch that on it's own when it's ready? Maybe?

But then they wouldn't be able to force the next step in media formats.

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

Virtua Tennis 3.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1042/formulatoocomplex1gl7.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8616/formulatoocomplex2up5.jpg
Motion sensing. What. A. Load. Of. Bollocks.

If anyone can tell me they'd rather do that than just press buttons in a way that's been tried, tested and loved, you're either lying or you misunderstood the question.

Disclaimer: The above post refers to the bastardisation of exisiting genres by motion sensing in general, it is not a direct attack on the mortally wounded PS3.

[MasterYoda]

Killzone Liberation is a great game. It's one of the most beautifull PSP games I've played. It's gameplay is really good, too.

I've also tried GTA: Vice City Stories. Seems like every other GTA game, and honestly, I'm a little bored of GTA, so I'm not playing it at the moment.

Daxter is awesome. One of the best PSP games.

I love Lumines and I look forward to playing Lumines II in a few days.

[KKOB]

Don't go holding your breath for a March European launch!

That Harris bloke would not confirm that it will be launched March 2007 in Europe in a interview on Eurogamer.net today! Therefore making me believe it's still going to be tight to even get the PS3 ready for then! :blank:

I heard rumours of May a little while back....these may turn out true!

This is all because of the Blu-Ray thing right? Maybe they should of done what Microsoft did and do a external Blu-Ray player and launch that on it's own when it's ready? Maybe?

sounds like the PSP all over again-except this time they've screwed America and Japan by not launching in spring and we get double the anal pleasure when they ram home a September 07 European release date due to wanting to resupply America and Japan.

or maybe i'm just seeing too many similarities.