Like kids? Me too.

[Wesley]

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=30373&name=Paedophiles+set+up+political+party+in+the+Net herlands

Jesus Christ.

[|Laguna|]

That's absolutely disgusting and should IMMEDIATLY be forced to disband. That's all that needs to said.

[Mokong X-C]

And these guys wanna run a country? holy frack how have they not been arrested? Just get some cops to search their PCs i'm sure they'll find a reason to lock em up.

This is just sickening.

I'd like to get these guys hang them by their ball sack and use them as a punching bag while i wear a boxing glove wrapped in barbwire

[Wesley]

Apparently the police cannot do a thing and it's perfectly legal.

[LazyBoy]

Ad van den Berg

The good thing is we now have a name, and something for those disgruntled fox hunters to do.

[ShadowV7]

This is something I never though I would hear off...

[Mokong X-C]

Apparently the police cannot do a thing and it's perfectly legal.

How can that be?

I mean their basically admiting to at least having child porn on their PCs and i wouldn't be surprised if their travel records were checked to find they've spent a lot of time in Thailand and Bankok.

I mean admiting to be a peodephile should be an instant arrest IMO.

Won't someone please think of the children

[The3rdChildren]

Wow, the world is a pretty weird place.

[Platty]

And these guys wanna run a country? holy frack how have they not been arrested?

Im not sure Starbuck, but quickly back to the galactica for tea and biscuits.

On a serious note, that is unreal. What a sick bunch of people.

[Mokong X-C]

Im not sure Starbuck, but quickly back to the galactica for tea and biscuits.




I think you must be the first person to notice/comment that i've started using "frack" instead of the "other" word...i'm tryin to swear less and use "frack" when i speak also.

[conzer16]

How can that be?

I mean their basically admiting to at least having child porn on their PCs and i wouldn't be surprised if their travel records were checked to find they've spent a lot of time in Thailand and Bankok.

I mean admiting to be a peodephile should be an instant arrest IMO.

Won't someone please think of the children

Have you seen the news lately? Mr. A was only re-arrested today because of the stupid loophole in Irish Rape law.....:mad:

[Platty]

I think you must be the first person to notice/comment that i've started using "frack" instead of the "other" word...i'm tryin to swear less and use "frack" when i speak also.



Im honoured Sir. : peace:

[Ramar]

I mean admiting to be a peodephile should be an instant arrest IMO.

Its incredibly sick. But if they've not broke the law, just enjoy the thought of children then they can't be arrested. But if they're are sick and start abusing and the rest, by all means lock the fuckers up.

[Fields]

This is the problem with democracy.

[Mokong X-C]

Have you seen the news lately? Mr. A was only re-arrested today because of the stupid loophole in Irish Rape law.....:mad:

oh don't get me started on that crap.

for those outside of Ireland, there was some sort of change to sex laws in Ireland a few weeks ago which left a loop hole that if you had sex with someone underage but you "thought" they were of legal age you could get away.

One guy known only as Mr. A who was in jail was set free on this loop hole and more were set to follow (including a Mr. B, who committed statatory)sp?) rape on 30+ girls and one of his victims who he claims he "thought" was of legal age was HIS SISTER), the dumbass government didn't seem to think there was anything wrong with the new law but have quickly "fixed" the loophole and "Mr. A" is now back behind bars (thank frackin God).

But the dumbasses still left a loophole, they fixed it to apply to only those under 15, so anyone in jail for statatory rape against someone 15-17 is gonna try to get out by saying "i thought he/she was 18"

Irish Government = dumbass jackasses
peodephiles = should be locked up and the key thrown away with no right to food or water (same as murderers)

IMO

[conzer16]

Irish Government = dumbass jackasses
peodephiles = should be locked up and the key thrown away with no right to food or water (same as murderers)

IMO


Well said, very well said.


And thank F*CK he's behind bars again....:yay:

[Jack]

I like kids.





Raw.

[EEVILMURRAY]

I remember seeing this on the Symphonia forums, I'll say what I said there:

Good for them.

[solitanze]

EDITED! Wrong Thread, Ignore Post.

[That Guy]

Like I've said a thousand times. There. Is. No. God.

[Cube]

And it doesnt sound like they just support sex with children (sickening), but it seems they support sex with animals...

[The fish]

I'll get the AK's if you get the RPG-7. Agreed?

[Kurtle Squad]

Sick....However, I believe South Park has already answered this problem. "It's sex with childeren!!!"
I can kind of understand a lil bit lower than 16, as you are sexually erm, adjusting!? :wtf: by then, but they're trying to take it too far.

[EchoDesiato]

What the hell is wrong with those people??? They're making it even more dangerous for children to be the victims of abuse! Marc Dutroux-like situations are more likely to happen, those retards!

[Blackfox]

Democracy guys. They can do what they want as its their opinion, they are allowed to express their [sick] opinion even if you disagree. They wont get voted in anyway - so I wouldn't worry...

[Charlie]

Democracy guys. They can do what they want as its their opinion, they are allowed to express their [sick] opinion even if you disagree. They wont get voted in anyway - so I wouldn't worry...

Unless there's more pedo's in Holland than we think....

Oh God.

[Owario]

peodephiles = should be locked up and the key thrown away with no right to food or water (same as murderers)


There is nothing wrong with being a paedophile. You must be unclear of the meaning of the word. If what you mean to say is child molesters should be locked up without hope of release, then I agree with you, but the fact of the matter is paedophilia is just another disturbing fetish.

[Sarka]

There is nothing wrong with being a paedophile. You must be unclear of the meaning of the word. If what you mean to say is child molesters should be locked up without hope of release, then I agree with you, but the fact of the matter is paedophilia is just another disturbing fetish.

Yeah, Mokong - your being awfullly harsh. Most people have thier weird fetishes and there is nothng they can do about it, like most sex-related things. You can't compare murderers to paedophiles.

[The Bard]

Disturbing fetishes aside, Paedophiles sure are wierd, why would you want to bone a kid?...Still I think it is wrong unless the child consents to it, in which case, it's nobody elses concern...but then there's the whole issue of when a child is capable of making it's own life decisions...meh, although I think adults truly underestimate the capabilities and intelligence of kids, I don't think they should make such decisions that could have such a huge impact on the rest of their lives...but anyway, I doubt any kid would want to have sex with a sweaty, fat and balding 40 something, which is what I imagine most paedophiles to be...except of course:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/debra_lafave2.jpg

So seeing as Paedophiles are unlikely to get what they want, they will most probably resort to violence and blackmail, which I suppose is the real grounds for throwing them in the slammer.

[Fields]

Yeah, Mokong - your being awfullly harsh. Most people have thier weird fetishes and there is nothng they can do about it, like most sex-related things. You can't compare murderers to paedophiles.
So what if they can't do anything about it? Who gives a fuck? Sick bastards like this should be executed in the most painful manner possible, along with murderers, rapists and other such pieces of shit. :mad:

Like I said, this is the problem with democracy, people have too many rights. Autocracy for the win, with me in charge. :D

[Sarka]

So what if they can't do anything about it? Who gives a fuck? Sick bastards like this should be executed in the most painful manner possible, along with murderers, rapists and other such pieces of shit. :mad:

So you think that peopel should be murdered because of the way their mind functions. They quite possibly never do anything - never have any porn, never sexually abuse children - it's just always in their minds. Just like how fancying women is natural to you - or whatever you facny - fancying children is natural to them. They can't do anything but resist it - and most do.

Many people also see no reason why these feelings should be kept back. Can you give me a reason why an adult and a child shoudl not have sex? Apart saying something likes it's sick as they are young or "why won't someone thinkof the children". It's not going to do any more harm than it would if children had sex with each other.

I don't support the view that adults should have sex with children - it's jsut you all seem to be far to judgmental.

So seeing as Paedophiles are unlikely to get what they want, they will most probably resort to violence and blackmail, which I suppose is the real grounds for throwing them in the slammer.

Yes, that would be a reason to arrest them. Not to have sex with willing children which is what this party is trying to pass as law. Not that children shoudl be legally allowed to be abused into having sex.

[Fields]

So you think that peopel should be murdered because of the way their mind functions.
Yes. Absolutely.

[conzer16]

Yeah, Mokong - your being awfullly harsh. Most people have thier weird fetishes and there is nothng they can do about it, like most sex-related things. You can't compare murderers to paedophiles.

I have to disagree with you Sarka.

Obviously murder is a completely unexcusable crime. No-one has the right to take another's life. But again no-one has the right to sexually prey on young children. Paedophilia is an illnes IMO. It is wrong and should be (and now is in Ireland) punishable by life in prison.

Young children are left phyically and emotionally scarred, destroyed and mentally abused by the predatorial nature of the attacks on them.

I understand that you may think paedophilia is a fetish, but it is an illegal one, an immoral one and above all one that can not and should not be accepted by society.

[Sarka]

I have to disagree with you Sarka.

Obviously murder is a completely unexcusable crime. No-one has the right to take another's life. But again no-one has the right to sexually prey on young children. Paedophilia is an illnes IMO. It is wrong and should be (and now is in Ireland) punishable by life in prison.

Young children are left phyically and emotionally scarred, destroyed and mentally abused by the predatorial nature of the attacks on them.

I understand that you may think paedophilia is a fetish, but it is an illegal one, an immoral one and above all one that can not and should not be accepted by society.

What would you say if the children were willing? Just for intrests sake.

[conzer16]

Thats an extremely irrational question. How can a child understand what it is about to take part in?

[Fields]

I can't believe that people are trying to condone paedophilia here. :nono:

[conzer16]

I can't believe that people are trying to condone paedophilia here. :nono:

It actually quite incredible isnt it??:shakehead

[Sarka]

Thats an extremely irrational question. How can a child understand what it is about to take part in?

Many kids know about sex - what happens and everything.

But I can no longer be bothered to argue so instead I will just state my opinion that I think it is just a fetish - just like how some people are turned on to farm animals, fat women farting on them, WAM, leather or whatever. Many folkks can't help it and most never do anything - some of you think those people should be killed. People who fancy kids are paedophile, not those who abuse children for their sexual pleasures - you wan tto kill folk who have done nothing wrong jus have thoughts they can't help.

:heh:

[The Bard]

Yeah, I kind of agree with Sarka here, some of you seem to have a very totalitarian mindset. Remember when Hitler was murdering homosexuals? Well back then nobody gave a damn, homosexuality was treated in the same way paedophilia is now, I don't think punishing people for their sexual orientation is right. I mean, I cannot for the life of me see why a bloke would want to have sex with another guy, but they do, a lot, and regardless of whether it's something I understand or not, I suppose I respect it...well, no I don't, I suppose I kind of accept it...like cafeteria food....or the constant threat of terrorism...:heh: ...all jokes aside, I'm 17, my girlfriend is 16 next month, does that make me a paedophile? Hells no, I don't give two shits about some law thats going to prevent me from having a meaningful relationship with someone, because thats really what matters. It doesn't matter what your sexual orientation is, it's the quality of the relationship that counts. Loveless sex isn't a thing I endorse by any means...those of you who did GCSE Buddhism will probably understand this philosophy, although the more right wing of you are likely not to care, but hell, that's my opinion on the matter....

TTFN

fieldsofanfieldroad: I think your ability to say innocent people deserve death makes you much more disturbing in my eyes than any Paedophile I can think of from the top of my head.

Edit: I also think sex and chastity has been over sanctified by religion and the (regretfully) christian mindset of the British public...

[|Laguna|]

My personal feelings on the matter is that if a person is attracted to young children they cannot help it. I mean take a heterosexual instance, some people have a perchant for big knockers or hairy whatevers, they can't stop feeling this arrousement and desire for these things, even if they know it's wrong. It's a matter of a genetical mind set, like how homosexuals are homosexuals, they cannot help it, it is just has been programmed into their genetic make-up.

However, I no way condone these people fulfilling their actions.

Oh, and

those of you who did GCSE Buddhism will probably understand this

TTFN

Is that really a seperate subject? Isn't Buddhist beliefs amalgamated into the R.S. GCSE syllabus as aren't you supposed to aware of lots of different types of religions? Not just one, otherwise people are ignorant about religion, then when they come across it scares them as it seems alien, and so can lead to violence or segregation. I thought that was the government stance on it.

I hope you guys realise that no matter what fetishes we have, we are all going to hell (apparently) due to sexual thoughts we have, any sexual thought we have is a sin (apparently)

But surely you cannot help these thoughts popping into our minds?
Are you supposed to confess things like that? Like what if a person confessed, "I saw Amy walking along one day and I thought really hard about ramming her from behind?!" Surely even Jesus got these thoughts as it's natural part of human genetic make up to be wanting to find a mate to reproduce with?

[The Bard]

Is that really a subject, isn't Buddhist beliefs amalgamated into the R.S. GCSE syllabus as aren't you supposed to aware of lots of different types of religions? Not just one, otherwise people are ignorant about religion, then when they come across it scares them as it seems alien, and so can lead to violence or segregation. I thought that was the government stance on it.


I'm not sure I understand what you're saying...But yes, we had to do 2 religions for GCSE, Buddhism was compulsory, and I did Islam besides.


But surely you cannot help these thoughts popping into our minds?
Are you supposed to confess things like that? Like what if a person confessed, "I saw Amy walking along one day and I thought really hard about ramming her from behind?!" Surely even Jesus got these thoughts as it's natural part of human genetic make up to be wanting to find a mate to reproduce with?

Irrelevent, christianity and all organised religion is a scam. Something I came to realise when I studied these religions closely and gained some life experience.

[|Laguna|]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying...But yes, we had to do 2 religions for GCSE, Buddhism was compulsory, and I did Islam besides.

I see, I was just seeing if there were seperate GCSEs for each religion, but, as I thought, there aren't, just a whole round "Religious Studies" GCSE.
I wish there were as RS GCSE is pretty easy.

[Shino]

No exactly, but some relegious extremists look into their holy book and delve to deep in it. I mean i know what you mean, i mean lets be honest, if we see a hot girl (not pretty, just hot), the first thing we generally think about is taking her hard.

I think taking that into context, people with fetishes for children, yeah its their problem, but then, its a problem that should be kept to themselves, obviously when police find child porn on their PC, then they are locked up as they may pose a threat to children, which is the smart thing to do, but they key thing is that if you have a fetish that is wrong, then you should have some self control and not act on it. otherwise we all would be in prison.


Yeah, but that hot girl was asking for it.

[Flaight]

... interesting (?) debate here, if that's the right word. A bit disturbing to be honest. I too never thought this sort of case would crop out anywhere.

Overall I agree with Sarka, because this is a debate IN principle logic.

The first hurdle is in agreeing the basis of perspective. This is probably the hardest part. There are many examples of this - pro homosexuality vs anti homosexuality, pro animal experimentation vs anti, pro file sharing vs anti, pro female priests vs anti, pro Iraq war vs anti, pro abortion vs anti, pro divorce vs anti, pro artificial embryo vs anti, pro drug (of certain kind) legalization vs anti, pro teaching Creationism at school alongside Darwin's theory vs anti and so on. I can go on forever, if you like.

In each case, there is a common denominator - which is that your belief manifests in a certain set of perspective of the world, and how you THINK the world should be. Inevitably, a conflict will occur between different perspectives. We all have our standards, and we tend to think the way we think IS absolute, and those who disagree are enemies - remember George W Bush said "You're either with us, or against us."? That's human tendency for you. This "standard" usually derives from what we see in our loved ones in our upbringing (including parents, neighbours, schools, religion, TV, etc which form our culture). If you like, you are "conditioned" into thinking in a certain way by your immediate society.

So that's the general argument.

More specifically, about this case, I think we have to decide what Paedophile is. If I'm not mistaken, a paedophile is just a person who like kids, rather than someone who assult them. The term 'murderers', for example, refers to people who have actually turned a thought into action.

This is an age old debate about how a "thought crime" should be dealt with. Say, if you are starving and look through a shop window drooling at a piece of cake. There is a difference between you wanting them, and actually going in to steal them. You might walk in and ask for it, and as you pull out a wallet, you can think about running away with it - but there is still a difference between actually doing it and leaving it as a thought.

I think our lives are infested with this sort of branching paths, from the moment you wake up. You have to get up, but your eyes still want to sleep, so you start to battle against yourself. You brush your teeth, and your cat is meowing for food and water, but you can't be bothered. Again, another battle takes place in your mind. If you have a thought you can fight and overcome, some credit you for such mental strength while others think you are dangerous and should be shot.

Historically, this debate remains completely academic. Nobody has yet to produce a conclusive argument on how a thought crime should be dealt with.

I think the biggest enemy in this sort of case is the "emotions". It's important as in my opinion it should occupy 50% of our thought processes, but it also has the bad habit of overwhelming us and forgetting every other piece of logic that makes us rational and wise. I think by nature we have an easier time becoming a slave to our emotions than to be the master of it. That's why it's important that you make effort to remain calm, thoughtful, and debate in principle. What Sarka is doing is 'Objective thinking', and it's a piece of academic skill that, in my humble opinion, we should all try.

... thats my opinion anyway. :cool: Deep? Yeah, maybe it is a bit. But for an emotional case like this, this sort of approach becomes much more important. In fact this sort of case really tests your ability to remain impartial and constructive. If not, we can destroy any chance of ever solving the very crime we are trying to solve. Don't forget, a 'crime' is a social phenomenon - not limited to any one individual.

[The3rdChildren]

This thread has gotten pretty deep, but then again it was always going to eh?

[conzer16]

Many kids know about sex - what happens and everything.

But I can no longer be bothered to argue so instead I will just state my opinion that I think it is just a fetish - just like how some people are turned on to farm animals, fat women farting on them, WAM, leather or whatever. Many folkks can't help it and most never do anything - some of you think those people should be killed. People who fancy kids are paedophile, not those who abuse children for their sexual pleasures - you wan tto kill folk who have done nothing wrong jus have thoughts they can't help.

:heh:


Untrue, i dont think Paedophiles should be executed. And i know "paedophile" refers to people who dont abuse chlildren. I should have used the words "convicted paedophile".

[Shorty]

What would you say if the children were willing? Just for intrests sake.
How can you tell if a child is really willing? Children are incredibly prone to manipulation, threats, fear tactics and pursuasion. That's part of what make it sick. Not just their physical age, but that their mental age is being taken advantage of.

[Shino]

People don't get arrested just because they look at children in a strange way! They get arrested because they manifested this fetich, wich is never a good thing, we don't need to discuss the meaning of pedophile because every child molester is pedophile, and that's what matters.

How can you tell if a child is really willing? Children are incredibly prone to manipulation, threats, fear tactics and pursuasion. That's part of what make it sick. Not just their physical age, but that their mental age is being taken advantage of.

Bulls eye, even adults get used and theathen to do thing unwillingly.

[conzer16]

How can you tell if a child is really willing? Children are incredibly prone to manipulation, threats, fear tactics and pursuasion. That's part of what make it sick. Not just their physical age, but that their mental age is being taken advantage of.

QFT

A child cannot reason with an adult. A child has no conception of right or wrong. A child cannot comprehend the physical trauma and vilation such an act is. A child just does not hold the mental faculties - and thats why a paedophile is able to take advantage.

[The Bard]

Thats bullshit, it depends on the child in question.

[Sarka]

This thread has gotten pretty deep, but then again it was always going to eh?

I thought it was going to turn into a joke topic about pervy old men...

Anyway, very cool Flaight - nice and thoughtful. Sorry if earlier I sounded as if I thought men should sleep with children, as Flaight said I as doing objective thinking.

And though I don't think "convicted paedophile"'s should be given the death penalty, it is very wrong if the child is forced and the person should be locked up for many many years. If the child has full knowledge of sex and wants to do it - I am still undecided.

:hmm:

every child molester is pedophile, and that's what matters.

Come on! That's like saying that every sheep raper is a farmer or every gamer kills people. Sure some do, but not all - most pedophiles don't do anything to children. All child molesters should be locked away - not all pedophiles.

Though I thought we had finished defining the word pedophile.

Also, what if the child was 13 - s/he would be able to know what was happening, but it would still be illegal. They can make a judgment. I would like to study child phycology (sp?) in more detail - and then make a judgment about whether they could make a judgment about sex, hehe, it kinda ryhmes.

[Flaight]

Personally, the biggest crunch point is at what point a society completes a "child" into an "adult".

Long ago, when the life expectacy was like late 30s for the lay people, everything happened a lot sooner and younger. That is of course very different today.

I think physically, there is no 'physiological' reason why a sexual contact should automatically result in an emotional damage. I think there is a point, around just before the early adolescence, where you can actually take a physical damage. But there onward, it becomes a question of social conditioning, generally known as "victimization mentality".

Long story short, our mind works in such a way that if you are told over and over that you are a victim, you really become one even if there needn't be a physiological reason why you should be. This is where the link between what happens in physical world and psychology of it gets established. Say, if a 15 year old slept with a 18 year old. Physiologically, there is no reason why there should be any damage, so psychologically too there needn't be any damage. But say, if all of a sudden many people gathered around her, taking pity on her, telling her it's alright, everything will be ok, Here have some sweets and it's ok if you don't want to go to school for a while. She will in the end really do become a victim, not because she actually is, but because she's been conditioned into a mindset which takes damage from a certain occurance of event in life.

There are many other examples of this by the way. Incest is similar. Like in the US, there was a case where a brother and a sister ended up sleeping together without knowing. I think the brother got imprisoned in the end, but basically the point was that the psychology behind cringing at the thought of sleeping with your sibling comes from the social conditioning that incest is unethical.

Of course there is a very good reason why it was made unethical (the genetic mutation and all), but some argue that in this day and age the act of sexual intercourse itself should not be taught as unethical, because you can prevent fertilization of an egg by using contraception.

If the reason why incest is seen as unethical purely based on the fact that fertilization of an egg among siblings cause harmful inheritance problems in the genes, then by making sure the egg isn't fertilized you can make it ethical.

And so on so forth. The debate goes on. The point is, so-called "emotional damage" is a very conditional thing, often more defined by men than by nature. There already is a variation of perception around the world depending on different cultures.

Cannibalism is another. But it's becoming long again so I'll stop.

[conzer16]

Come on! That's like saying that every sheep raper is a farmer or every gamer kills people. Sure some do, but not all - most pedophiles don't do anything to children. All child molesters should be locked away.



I think you're confusing things there. How could a child molester NOT be a Paedophile? If they have molested a child surely they would have had sexual urges towrds a child?....paedophilia?!?

Also what i highlighted - I 100% agree with you

[Sarka]

I think you're confusing things there. How could a child molester NOT be a Paedophile? If they have molested a child surely they would have had sexual urges towrds a child?....paedophilia?!?

Also what i highlighted - I 100% agree with you

Sorry if I was unclear

All child molestors should be locked away

Not all paedophileare child molestors but all child molestors are paedophiles.

So, paedophiles who are child molestors should be locked up, but paedophilia who do not molest children can be free among the reast of us.

[Flaight]

I think you're confusing things there. How could a child molester NOT be a Paedophile? If they have molested a child surely they would have had sexual urges towrds a child?....paedophilia?!?

Actually conzer, I think this is a problem of phraseology. I can't speak for Sarka but from the context, when I first read his post, I read that he's dividing those who have turned thought into action and those who haven't. He happened to associate the term 'paedophile' to those who didn't turn it into action, while using the term 'child abuser' for the other.

I think the point here is that a child abuser is a paedophile, but a paedophile is not necessarily a child abuser.

Man, this is friggin confusing :D

EDIT: ok... it seems Sarka replied himself just before me, so there we go.

[Sarka]

Man, this is friggin confusing :D

Haha, yup! I think my opinions are clear now so I will leave this thread alone for awhile...

I completely agree with you on pretty much everyhting you've said Flaught and will look out for your wise words in the future. I tried to find out wha percentage of peopel were peado's but I couldnt find anything - it would be interesting to know.

[Wesley]

I've only skim read through some of these lengthy posts, but I feel I should at least give my opinion on this topic - even if brief due to the fact I have to revise for my Politics exam - seeing as I brought it up.

Pedophiles shouldn't be killed. Pedophiles are attracted to children in a sexual way, this, although disturbing to most of us, is not as utterly terrifying as you might first think. A lot of people have really messed up sexual desires, often hurting themselves and others too (extreme S&M, anyone?) and actually involving death.

Now pedophiles who act upon their impulse and sleep with children, consenting or not, is illegal. It is here that these people should be dealt with appropriately. Also other forms of abusing children, taking pictures, etc. is also a punishable offence.

Now to the actual topic of pedophiles forming a political party and trying to abolish the age consent law... it's a democracy. You have to realise that throughout history political parties have suggested things which the mass has found totally outrageous; but to then over time accept these things. Now don't think I'm carefully saying I think the pedophiles' party is a good thing. Because along with the parties with out-there good ideas along comes a few which have really, really bad ideas. But we don't need to worry, democracy is rule by the people and so long as the majority of the people have their heads screwed on properly we're fine and dandy.

It's not like we're all going to suddenly think something outrageous is acceptable and then a mad man get in power... God... wait, how did that Hitler thing go? He he, kidding.

[Owario]

Guess what guys? I am, by definition, a paedophile. But to be honest, that doesn't mean shit. I have no child porn, and would never take advantage of a kid, just like you would never rape a woman. Now this is not something I would usually confess to, but I want to see people's reactions. Am I seen as a different person now?

[EEVILMURRAY]

How can you tell if a child is really willing?
The mouth says no but the eyes say yes yes yes.

[Marshmellow]

the world is a scary place nowadays

[The Bard]

The mouth says no but the eyes say yes yes yes.

You mean..."The mouth says no...no....but the eyes scream yes, yes, oh big daddy yes....."

[Athriller]

because every child molester is pedophile, and that's what matters.



Every child molester is a paedophile, but not every paedophile is a child molester. If these people do not act on their thoughts, how can you punish them for anything? It's like saying a butcher should be put to death for having the potential of stabbing people with his butcher's knife.


Ok, kinda beaten.

[Shorty]

The reason people have negative feelings towards a paedophile who has never 'taken action' on their 'urges' is that they might.

The longer your fetish builds up without you getting what you want, the longer it remains taboo and illegal, the more likely you are to snap and take what you want.

Most people with weird desires/fetishes/fantasies can eventually find someone to share their idea with. If not they can head to some freaky sex club. But kids? If that's your thing, your only viable option, if you ever hit breaking point, is to break the law and take what you want. If the idea's in your head, the possibility that you could make it into reality is what freaks me out.

[Athriller]

The problem with might is, it might not happen. Paedophilia is twisted in its own sort of way, but so are many things. It's easy to cuttle people off for their potential for doing things, but there's no right in doing so, as of yet, they are only fantasies. A lot of hetrosexual people have homosexual fantasies, yet never act on them and remain straight. The same is also true for some homosexuals who have hetrosexual fantasies. Why? Because they're fantasies. You could argue their sexuality may be in question, but I'm sure they'd beg to differ.

Take an altogether different scenario; a woman is constantly thinking about going over the speed limit, but never does. Should she punished just for thinking about it?

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

There's a difference between paedophilia and rape that some people don’t seem to get. They haven’t actually harmed anyone else, and I doubt they intend or raping children. Paedophilia is just another fetish as someone has pointed out, they can’t help how they think. The only one’s that should be killed are those close minded enough not to realize this.

[Shorty]

The problem with might is, it might not happen. Paedophilia is twisted in its own sort of way, but so are many things. It's easy to cuttle people off for their potential for doing things, but there's no right in doing so, as of yet, they are only fantasies. A lot of hetrosexual people have homosexual fantasies, yet never act on them and remain straight. The same is also true for some homosexuals who have hetrosexual fantasies. Why? Because they're fantasies. You could argue their sexuality may be in question, but I'm sure they'd beg to differ.

Take an altogether different scenario; a woman is constantly thinking about going over the speed limit, but never does. Should she punished just for thinking about it?
The difference is that all these things would never be really bad if they did act on the urges. There are degrees to which harbouring urges can be acceptable - whether acted on or not. The possibility is the crux.

- A woman has the urge to speed, one day she might. Maybe she gets a ticket.
- A man has the urge to sleep with a man, one day he might. Maybe he questions his sexuality, maybe he never tells a soul. The end.
- A person has always wanted to streak accross a footbal pitch. One day they might. There'll be laughs. A warning down at the police station.


Now lets take these.

- A man has always wanted to rape someone. One day he might. This makes him a danger to society.
- A person has always had a thing for little kids. One day they might act on it. They might trick the kid, or manipulate them, or take advantage of their naivety. They can't legally have what they want. So one day they might just take it. And some kid will get hurt.



Edit: If people have this urge that they just can't help, it's hardwired in, like me having a thing for redheads, they should seek counselling.

[Athriller]

Good point, but with greater negative externalities come greater responsibilities. A lot of paedophiles realise the damage it could create, and so, never try it. Some won't even think of trying it all, but just want it as a fantasy. It's a bizarre situation.

But people having it hardwired in should seek counselling? That's a very dodgy position to take and leads to a slippery slope. After paedophilia, you can bet there will be plenty of people screaming for gays et al to seek counselling.

[AshMat]

Michael JAckson and Garry Glitter are starting a political party!!11!one!

[Arragaun]

All the people who've said that paedophiles should be locked up because they might cause harm advocate thought policing. We all know where that's gonna land us.. in Lack-of-Liberties City drinking cups of Victory tea.

[Shorty]

After paedophilia, you can bet there will be plenty of people screaming for gays et al to seek counselling.
Homosexuality was something I always thought would gradually become less and less taboo, and it did. Paedophilia is something I believe will never be socially acceptable.

Heck, I could be wrong :) It's happened before....

[Jack]

I wonder how many people here have seen the Paedophilia special of Brass Eye.

[Blackfox]

I wonder how many people here have seen the Paedophilia special of Brass Eye.

I did.

It was freaking hilarious. Mind you, you have to look at it in the context of the time. The whole country was going peado-hunting mad. Brass Eye just took the piss out of them all.

[Arragaun]

I think this man would have something to say on the matter.

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/mmannion/2005/08/13/pfg.jpg

[Shorty]

I wonder how many people here have seen the Paedophilia special of Brass Eye.
That was one of the funniest TV shows I ever, ever saw. I knew they were going to get in trouble for it while I was watching.

[KingJoe]

Brass eye as a whole is the funniest TV show ever.