In my opinion another mistake by Sony [Archive]

The Peeps

24-05-2006, 03:47 PM

Edit: The "mistake" is that it will be illegal for customers to sell any next-gen PlayStation games that they've bought.

Now that I think of it, a lot of the games I've bought have been pre-owned... The only ones I pay full price for are the ones that I get on the day they're released - usually Nintendo games.

We assume that the thinking behind this move will ultimately be to stop PS3 games being resold several times - which currently snatches potential sales away from Sony - and to counter the impression in consumers' minds that games are only really worth their pre-owned price and are not worth buying new.

Sony do seem to be getting more and more arrogant.

Pestneb

24-05-2006, 03:49 PM

ah right. yes, unsurprising. tbh I think this makes games worth even less.
You aren't able to use the disc freely, you can't use the content freely, so really, you're renting the content from sony.
sucks.

YenRug

24-05-2006, 03:52 PM

This ties in with their announcement, a while back, that the Blu-ray game discs could have writeable sectors which could lock a disc to a specific machine making it unusable anywhere else. If this does happen, they can sayd goodbye to a lot of customers, I know there are a lot of people out there that only have a few games in their collection at any one time, selling ones they don't play anymore before buying new ones.

Hellfire

24-05-2006, 03:56 PM

I buy lots of used games, so if I was thinking of buying a PS3(ahah that's so funny) this would make me not buy it.

Jordan

24-05-2006, 04:13 PM

Thats true, BD's DRM will basically lock out anyone else playing it. Say goodbye to taking your games to your friends house.

Hero-of-Time

24-05-2006, 04:15 PM

This is one of the craziest and stupiest things I have heard. Sonys arrogance clearly knows no bounds. Is anywhere else reporting this as I cant access Gamesradar.

monkeyDluffy

24-05-2006, 04:16 PM

How is this going to work? if you need to exchange your console for any reason that means that you will have to get new versions of the games you already have the other system, but as though you don't own the disk you, just own the right to play the game doesn't that mean that sony would have to replace disks for free in that situation?

Roronoa Zoro Wii

24-05-2006, 04:25 PM

I`m very happy :yay:
Enjoy this, Sony fans. :laughing:
Muahahahahaha : peace:

ThePigMarcher

24-05-2006, 04:27 PM

This has got to be a wind up.

Admittedly Sony have become more arrogant/stupid/greedy than ever lately , but surely even their execs can see what sort of detrimental effect this could have on the PS3 sales.

Although in reality , I can say that I am not bothered in the slightest , a videogame market without those tossers at Sony is a far better place for us all.

The Bard

24-05-2006, 04:34 PM

I'd like to buy a PS3, I would, but see here I already set fire to a big pile of money just this morning...

ShadowV7

24-05-2006, 04:44 PM

That is pathetic,kinda turned me off of getting a PS3 altogether now.

mario114

24-05-2006, 04:47 PM

!!!!!that is horrible for any ps3 fans, that means you have to be loaded to buy up a nice collection of games. That is such a stupid move, I am allways taking games to a friends house, or lending.borrowing a game. And I often buy second hand games.

Fierce_LiNk

24-05-2006, 04:49 PM

A stupid mistake to make. The beauty of having friends who play games is that you can have meetups. Sometimes they come over and bring their collection, sometimes you go over their houses. It really seems to me that Sony are ignoring gamers out there who enjoy playing multiplayer.
Not only that, but a large percentage of my cube games are pre-owned. If i did buy the ps3 and bought all my games brand new, i would have significantly less games than i would have if i could buy pre-owned games.

Yet again, a cock-up on Sony's part.

Hellfire

24-05-2006, 04:54 PM

I'd like to buy a PS3, I would, but see here I already set fire to a big pile of money just this morning...
Dr. Cox approves of this post.

DCK

24-05-2006, 05:05 PM

What the flying f*ck are they doing? They really have gone mental! How could they possibly give themselves that right?

That Guy

24-05-2006, 05:15 PM

AshMat

24-05-2006, 05:16 PM

I'd like to buy a PS3, I would, but see here I already set fire to a big pile of money just this morning...
that made me LOL out loud

Roronoa Zoro Wii

24-05-2006, 05:35 PM

You should remove the " In my opinion ", BTW.

Charlie

24-05-2006, 06:03 PM

Stupid. I buy a game, complete it, then sell it on so I can afford other games. There's no way I'm ever going to get a PS3 now if you can't play preowned games, every single game in my 360 collection (all 3) are preowned.

The Bard

24-05-2006, 06:09 PM

Dr. Cox approves of this post.

Haha, right on brother. *High five*

...man I :heart: scrubs

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/images/q-s/scrubs2-22.jpg

^ Dr. Cox when sony announced their super pwnage controller that not only manages to have half assed tilt control, but also manages to exclude rumble while being more uncomfortable than watching American pie with your Grandma...

Below is Dr. Cox (being the bastion of testosterone driven awesomeness that he is) calling Sony "Belinda," writing it a prescription for two testicles before telling them that they are what they eat, and that they clearly went out and devoured a big fat guy didn't they?

Owen

24-05-2006, 06:22 PM

This is by far the worst idea in video game history!

That means you can't sell them once you've completed them? and that the game isn't entirely yours as you can't do what you want with it?

It's like Sony are ruling you. You pay £50 for a game, that you MUST keep? I can't sell the damn thing anywhere?

It's a HORRIBLE idea! So many people buy preowned games because they either A) Can wait and pick it up cheaper B) Cannot afford full retail price.

Nintendo are now the winners of the next-generation war! WELL DONE! :D

This has slightly turned me off a PS3. That would mean i will only buy PS3 games which are either A) Exclusives B) Have alot of replay value and are worth forking out and keeping....

Sony have gone insane.

The Bard

24-05-2006, 06:26 PM

This is by far the worst idea in video game history!

Hmm...that reminds me...

http://www.thebentkangaroo.com/Pictures/nes-ROB-1-s.jpg

Yep, Unforunately Sony have a habit of not giving a toss what anyone thinks of them. Of course what you can do is not buy a PS3 and instead buy a 360 and a Wii, which is what I will be doing.

Bogbas

24-05-2006, 06:51 PM

It seems as dropping the big screen plasma tv's, car audio and aibo weren't enough to make more money for sony. But this is just stupid, I have finally lost all the respect that I had for this company. Even M$ seems reasonable now...

Sixfold01

24-05-2006, 07:09 PM

I was looking forward to SOMEDAY owning a PS3 for MGS4 or maybe Kingdom Hearts 3, but then they come out with this crappy e3, huuuge price, and this news! BWahAhAha take that Sony Fanboys, I think I'm gonna join the Wii60 club!

Dante

24-05-2006, 07:16 PM

Sony's E3 remix (http://www.myspace.com/nrxic) :D

Sony are sure making me get a xbox360 and Wii.

1upking

24-05-2006, 07:18 PM

sony are fuckwits

(adds little to the conversation, but I think it sums it up!)

Hero-of-Time

24-05-2006, 07:24 PM

Surely this move, if its true, will kill off independent retailers. I have such a shop called Chips near me and I get on pretty well with the staff there. The owner told me ages ago that small chains like that only survive due to the 2nd hand market as they make very little profit off new games.

Blue_Ninja0

24-05-2006, 07:34 PM

Sony's E3 remix (http://www.myspace.com/nrxic) :D

Sony are sure making me get a xbox360 and Wii.

HAHA, too much!!!

Btw, sony's losing it. I lend games and get games from my friends all the time.

Ryan

24-05-2006, 07:44 PM

Probably just an overblown rumour, like Xbox games having to be re-purchased to play on Xbox 360..

Caris

24-05-2006, 07:47 PM

Probably just an overblown rumour, like Xbox games having to be re-purchased to play on Xbox 360..

I heard this news about 8 month ago, i think its true.

EDIT: and fucking stupid.

Hero-of-Time

24-05-2006, 07:49 PM

Sony's E3 remix (http://www.myspace.com/nrxic) :D

Sony are sure making me get a xbox360 and Wii.

That was hilarious...nice find!

Ryan

24-05-2006, 08:00 PM

I heard this news about 8 month ago, i think its true.

EDIT: and fucking stupid.
You mean "Image Constraint Token"? I think that move is delayed until the end of the decade. IGN Gear wrote about it..

Dante

24-05-2006, 08:03 PM

Sony says it is an false speculation. (http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/159)

Mikey

24-05-2006, 08:05 PM

What next? We're not allowed to buy used cars? Well using Sony's logic, buying a new car, takes away a potental sale of a new one. If this is true, I will NOT buy the PS3. I'm so sick to fucking death of companies trying to get every last penny they can get out of us. The thing that pisses me off is, if Sony did this, it would become accepted, and would become the norm. ARGH.

mario114

24-05-2006, 08:11 PM

http://www.thebentkangaroo.com/Pictures/nes-ROB-1-s.jpg
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ROB is the coolest thing ever, I so want one!!!

gorrit

24-05-2006, 08:15 PM

Hmm...that reminds me...

http://www.thebentkangaroo.com/Pictures/nes-ROB-1-s.jpg

Ehm, the "accessory" that saved the US video gaming market was a mistake?

And I don't think it's true (the PS3 not-being-able-to-run-preowned-discs thing), it would be market suicide for Sony to do it.

BTW, I remember reading somewhere awhile ago that Japan tried to stop the pre-owned video gaming market since it made the video gaming markets sales drop. Anyone know anything about this?

Stefkov

24-05-2006, 08:22 PM

also anyone heard about that game where if you play it and die you can never pplay the game again, thats a load of bullshit. this is a crap move by sony, gonn tell my friends and they arent gonna be too happy.
this reminds me i heard of this quite a while ago but not like this.
i heard it as when you buy a game it registers to your system alone and you cant sell it off again, i hear this a long time ago, so basically it was true.

Jamba

24-05-2006, 08:35 PM

I thought this was linked in with the HD media format protection that was being implemented by the movie industry. Turns out that this is being put off:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17211

Notice how this is not definite though.

CompSci

24-05-2006, 08:46 PM

meh give a few months after PS3 is released and it will get hacked, nuff said

The Bard

24-05-2006, 09:00 PM

Ehm, the "accessory" that saved the US video gaming market was a mistake?

Yes. Because it didn't save the US gaming market, the NES did.

rokhed00

24-05-2006, 10:28 PM

Sony says it is an false speculation. (http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/159)

And how many times have Sony backtracked on official statements?

I'm sure the fact that they filed a patent for exactly this is completely coincidental.

The Bard

24-05-2006, 10:36 PM

Dude...ur avatar is scaring me...

rokhed00

24-05-2006, 10:48 PM

Dude...ur avatar is scaring me...

Good.
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Domstercool

24-05-2006, 10:51 PM

Ahh that rumour again. Sony denied it ages ago.

masaki86

24-05-2006, 10:53 PM

Ebay will die a painful death.

ThePigMarcher

24-05-2006, 10:55 PM

Initially I thought the idea was a wind up and if not it was bloody stupid ... BUT.....
the more I think about it , the more I reckon Sony are onto a winner.

Considering how reliable Sonys' hardware is , they know that you will be forced to buy a new console at £400 every 13 months (just after your warranty expires) , but not only that , you will also need to re-purchase your exsisting games every 13 months too (because your old copies are linked to your now busted consoles).

On reflection , this is actually a genius bit of marketing by Sony.

mario_jr

24-05-2006, 10:55 PM

Sony's E3 remix (http://www.myspace.com/nrxic) :D

Sony are sure making me get a xbox360 and Wii.

Oh man that sh*t was funny. (starts dancing:yay: ) Its Ridge Racer!

gorrit

24-05-2006, 11:00 PM

Yes. Because it didn't save the US gaming market, the NES did.

Yeah, in the end, the NES (or probably, SMB etc) saved it, but without ROB Nintendo wouldn't have been able to get the NES in stores.

Aimless

25-05-2006, 03:01 AM

BTW, I remember reading somewhere awhile ago that Japan tried to stop the pre-owned video gaming market since it made the video gaming markets sales drop. Anyone know anything about this?
Off the top of my head, I think it's 'illegal' to sell second-hand games, and game boxes sport a notice on the back stipulating such. As I'm sure you'll notice next time you're in Akihabara buying some second-hand games.

It isn't just independant retailers that rely on the trade-in market, without it the likes of Game and GameStation would have fallen to the internet a long time ago.

With preowned sales shops are essentially profiting from a sale twice:
1) They sell a game for £50 — making however much profit it is these days.
2) The person later trades in said game, for which the retailer pays £25.
3) The shop resells the title at £40 — having their employees encourage consumers to trump for a cheaper preowned copy over new stock — which nets them £15 profit. The publishers and developers don't get a cut of this money.

This is why, ostensibly, the second-hand market damages developers and publishers. And, to be honest, I can see why Sony would like to see an end to the practise, at least in the more mainstream retailers.

Oh, and the press release Dante linked didn't say they weren't planning to block second-hand sales, it said that there was no hardware-based reason to stop you from playing second-hand games. Sony's arrogance isn't entirely misplaced — they are the market leader — and if they leaned on Game et al with threats of cutting stock if they didn't revise their policy on second-hand sales...

Anyway, I'd no doubt go on longer if it weren't 4AM. I hope I've managed to throw some insight into the fray if nothing else.

Marshmellow

25-05-2006, 03:49 AM

wow, thats messed up 7/8 of my games for my 360 are being borrowed from friends lol a lot of people in my town are saying they are waiting for a PS3 imma go knock on thier doors and tell em no way now HAHA

BlueStar

25-05-2006, 08:28 AM

Not the first time the games industry has made such noises.

http://www.mcvuk.com/newsitem.php?id=655

Babooo

25-05-2006, 08:46 AM

Fucking hell....if this turns out to be true, I really really doubt I'll get a PS3.

But it hasn't actually been confirmed properly yet has it??

Ashley

25-05-2006, 09:22 AM

I kind of blame the hype started by MCV as they keep moaning about pre-owned games losing the industry out on money too. However, the game has to originally be bought anyway, thus making Sony (or whoever money).

And I quote a Sony rep (well not exactly as it was a while ago) "People use trade-ins as tender. A lot of people wouldn't be able to afford new games if it wasn't for trade-ins." Thus meaning if they can't trade in, they just won't be able to buy new games at all.

It isn't just independant retailers that rely on the trade-in market, without it the likes of Game and GameStation would have fallen to the internet a long time ago.

With preowned sales shops are essentially profiting from a sale twice:
1) They sell a game for £50 — making however much profit it is these days.
2) The person later trades in said game, for which the retailer pays £25.
3) The shop resells the title at £40 — having their employees encourage consumers to trump for a cheaper preowned copy over new stock — which nets them £15 profit. The publishers and developers don't get a cut of this money.

This is why, ostensibly, the second-hand market damages developers and publishers. And, to be honest, I can see why Sony would like to see an end to the practise, at least in the more mainstream retailers.

Yes but looking at it another way. If Game wasn't allowed to sell second hand games, their gross would go down, and then they simply wouldn't be able to afford to purchase more games, and so wouldn't be able to sell as much etc etc etc. This then leads to several smaller Game stores shutting down. However, as Game is the largest gaming retailer in the UK, it will also have an affect on Sony.

I know I know I know that "everyone buys from the internet now" but thats not true. The PS3 is meant to be "for everyone", meaning parents will be, in large, buying from shops while at work, or shopping around town for nappies and other crap kids need.

Ten10

25-05-2006, 09:33 AM

Yes, but there still remains s second hand games market on the psp, ds, wii and xbox360 front, so they will still thrive. Not to mention the ps2 isn't dying anytime soon.

Mikey

25-05-2006, 09:34 AM

If games weren't so over priced, then I'd buy more new games for sure. Games shouldn't cost any more than £20 I reckon.

Owen

25-05-2006, 09:35 AM

So is this not going to happen then?

It's just this information keeps popping up! I'm pretty sure it will turn out to be true!

Such a horrible idea. :weep:

I hardly buy preowned games, but i do like to sell the games i've either completed or got sick of to buy a new one!

Hopefully Sony will rethink this stupid idea and lower the price of the console to £389.99 or something....(which isn't going to happen).

Oh is the PS3 still region-free? I'm surprised there doing that.....

Mikey

25-05-2006, 09:45 AM

I buy loads of pre owned games. I can afford new ones, but I don't buy them that much any more because they aren't worth it. Look at EA games for an example. The same damn game over and over every year slightly updated. Screw that.

BlueStar

25-05-2006, 10:34 AM

Wonder if they'll utilise this patent?

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27568

A PATENT may allow Sony to ensure that no game would be playable from any console other than the one in which it was first read.

Joystiq is reporting that this patent is the source of the many rumours that will mean as much to gamers as DRM is for music fans.

The technology would allow an authentication code to be read and then rendered unreadable, making the software unplayable on any machine but the one which first read it.

Sonic238

25-05-2006, 10:44 AM

that's because of blu-ray. sony will be doing this with movies too.

go ahead and have a fun time. i don't think the intelligent consumers are jumping on that bandwagon.

Babooo

25-05-2006, 10:47 AM

Looks like I'll be getting a Wii and a 360 then. :grin:

solitanze

25-05-2006, 01:48 PM

Excellent, its all falling into place... :laughing: [Evil laughter]

DCK

25-05-2006, 02:02 PM

Heh, this would also mean that when your PS3 breaks down, you have to fork over $600 for a new one and rebuy every PS3 game you own, because your games only work on your broken PS3. All your save games are gone too.

Haver

25-05-2006, 02:09 PM

http://www.revo-europe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2003&highlight=second+hand+sony

We've been through this before. It's bollocks.

I would like to clarify that this is false speculation and that PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console.

Source: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2005/11/15/sonys_clampdown_on_secondhand_games_updated.html

DiemetriX

25-05-2006, 02:16 PM

OLD news VS NEW news.

Personaly I don't Sony is that stupid.

Haver

25-05-2006, 02:37 PM

Well, that statement seems pretty concrete to me.

Aimless

25-05-2006, 02:44 PM

If Game wasn't allowed to sell second hand games, their gross would go down, and then they simply wouldn't be able to afford to purchase more games, and so wouldn't be able to sell as much etc etc etc. This then leads to several smaller Game stores shutting down. However, as Game is the largest gaming retailer in the UK, it will also have an affect on Sony.

I know I know I know that "everyone buys from the internet now" but thats not true. The PS3 is meant to be "for everyone", meaning parents will be, in large, buying from shops while at work, or shopping around town for nappies and other crap kids need.
As I said, even the major retailers survive on trade-ins. If these sales were to be disallowed, then an entirely new business model would be in order. One made in tandem with publishers, whereby games' values deprecate over time — think of the Platinum range but with a few more levels of value, such as £10 or even £5 ranges — might be a good choice, as if there's going to be no second-hand from Game et al then consumers aren't going to fork out £50 for a launch title two years after release, they'll head to an independant or eBay instead. This would also keep games in print, meaning that you'd still be able to buy said launch title more a few months after its release in the first place.

To be frank, I care a lot more about games then I do the retailers that stock them. I'll leave the business solutions to people with degrees and a real understanding of everything that happens behind the scenes.

BlueStar

25-05-2006, 04:30 PM

http://www.revo-europe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2003&highlight=second+hand+sony

We've been through this before. It's bollocks.

Source: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2005/11/15/sonys_clampdown_on_secondhand_games_updated.html

Interesting, but she only refer to the protection system not if Sony would prevent retailers selling second hand games.

DiemetriX

25-05-2006, 05:04 PM

A report from website GamesRadar claiming that it will be illegal to sell used software for the PS3 has been officially denied by Sony today, with a spokesperson telling GamesIndustry.biz that it is "false speculation."

GamesRadar yesterday reported that Sony was warning high street retailers that the sale of pre-owned games would be illegal due to the licensing terms of PS3 software, which would mean that discs technically remained the property of Sony.

However, a Sony Computer Entertainment UK spokesperson today outright denied that any such message had been conveyed to retailers - telling GamesIndustry.biz that following conversations with the firm's European parent company, neither division has "any knowledge" of such a strategy.

"We have definitely not been communicating that," UK spokesperson Jennie Kong confirmed. "It's false speculation. We don't have any further knowledge about this topic - either officially or unofficially, to be frank."

It would appear that the report is based on the resurrection of a much earlier rumour in this regard, which surfaced most recently last November with claims that PS3 software would "bind" to the first machine it was played on, and would be unusable on any other system.

At the time, Sony completely debunked the rumour - telling UK newspaper The Guardian in no uncertain terms that: "PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console."

Mikey

25-05-2006, 08:58 PM

Sony can't make up their own laws and make it illegal can they?

The3rdChildren

25-05-2006, 09:52 PM

This pre-owned block they're rumoured to be imposing will be their death, mark my words.

rokhed00

25-05-2006, 11:43 PM

mcj metroid

14-06-2006, 10:48 PM

Hmm...that reminds me...

http://www.thebentkangaroo.com/Pictures/nes-ROB-1-s.jpg

Yep, Unforunately Sony have a habit of not giving a toss what anyone thinks of them. Of course what you can do is not buy a PS3 and instead buy a 360 and a Wii, which is what I will be doing.
Hey ROB did no harm to noyone but this sony thing is a joke,a sick joke because im not fucking laughing!