I believe we are still yet to see the final secret

[Stocka]

Everyone seems to be assuming that the speaker on the wiimote was the last secret, but it definately isn't. In the conference the guy (that demos Zelda) clearly says something along the lines of "this is ONE of the wii's last secrets"

So there is definately another secret/secrets.

Okay now watch Matt's interview with Perrin Kaplan from E3
http://uk.media.revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708093/vids_1.html
She completely tries to ignore the question of more hardware secrets. Its so obvious you have to see it [about 1/2 way through I think]
See says something about how the hardcore gamers should be very interested in what Nintendo have to show
(I watched this the other day so can't remember it all exactly)

[Fanelia]

Well, the speaker being one of the secrets, and the Connect24 technology being the other.

[demonmike04]

I knew there were more secrets because they said they will show somethings, but deliberately show some later. (Reggie said this i think).

Something to interest hardcore gamers? This should be good i hope..

[EchoDesiato]

You shouldn't get your hopes up too much, it probably won't be anything huge.

[Stocka]

You shouldn't get your hopes up too much, it probably won't be anything huge.
If you look at Perrins reaction you can kind of tell theres something big being hidden

[kav82]

I dunno how big it is but there sure is something, you can just tell! I think it's most likely going to be a combination of little things. TGS is where we'll get the final full info I reckon!

[ShadowV7]

There was something big she was hiding ,if it was something smaller she wouldn't of reacted the way she did.But the Wii still has quite a few secrets left anyway.

[Gaijin von Snikbah]

She said it would be the icing on the cake, something to top it all of with. Sounds like a nice thing to me.

[blender]

microphone

[demonmike04]

microphone
That is actually genius.
Most hardcore gamers like to use tactics in online games, so like the xbox live service, the NWFC could do something similar with headsets.
Most people want this any ways, communication is the best way to enjoy a game, but will be limited to those who are your friends to keep things on the safe side.

[Stocka]

I hope its not a microphone. I've believed all alone there'll be something special visually, and I don't care what anyone says or thinks of my prediction, its what I believe. And to those that say 'but we've already seen it on TV screens so it can't be' well Nintendo always said the console would play on a TV/Monitor but a special form of 3D would be optional.

[ShadowV7]

I think one of the secrets will be a mic.Just gotta wait a few months so we know everything about the Wii.

[Stefkov]

i hope its a time machine, that would blow sony right out of the water.

on a serious note, ive seen that video and she did ignore hat question, didnt they say there was one moer harware secret or something?

[mario114]

You shouldn't get your hopes up too much, it probably won't be anything huge.

I though the speaker news was quite big,... maybe it's a nice online hub for ds and wii gaming.

[Nintendork]

The controller, GameCube connectivity, SD, DVD playback, little speaker, new colours, the shell, nintendo connect24 and the games cumulatively are quite revolutionary.

However.. the only one that stands up as revolutionary itself is the controller.. and we had already seen that.
I think there could be something else- I don't think a microphone will be a secret.. it's going to happen for Mario party games or something.

I think it's probably some nunchaku add-ons which are really radical.

[shade]

MEGATON!!! is coming lol just had to pull that joke!
A microphone will probably come to Wii but if there is a final secret that is not it.

TGS? naaa. I reckon nintendo have their own show this year and september would be a bit late to unveil the last secret as the console is rumoured to launch in one territory in either september or October.

[Nintendork]

Might be a little simple- but the last secret might just be as simple as
the price of the system-
games- (launch and more)
accesories- (prices and nunchaku selection)
online content- (back catalogue and services)
the release date- (pretty important and still a secret)

Collectively while it is possible to estimate it- to know it for fact is quite a big secret.

[Stocka]

Matt: Is there any more hardware suprises?
Perrin : YES

Doubt thats release date or price

[Charlie]

I'm sure someone said they saw Reggie talking to Steven Spielberg at it... I think that they were planning to announce the final big secret but when they saw that Sony had copied them they decided not to...

[triforce_keeper]

I know i noticed that too, there is something hidden. I hope it is something visually aswell, like how we "see" the game.

[Stocka]

I'm sure someone said they saw Reggie talking to Steven Spielberg at it... I think that they were planning to announce the final big secret but when they saw that Sony had copied them they decided not to...
Yeah that was my theory, afterall Sony said they had a secret to show at TGS *cough*

[Fierce_LiNk]

*3 years later


Stocka: I still believe that there is a big final secret *stereoscopic 3d helmet visor*

Haha. :)
To be honest, we're being spoilt enough as it is. I really don't think there is one almighty big secret left. There may be some small neat touches, but i really don't expect one final all-encompassing secret.
Right now, we need the games.

[Nintendinosaur]

And as we have seen from the "Two Kings" thread, Shigsy (Its Shigsy not Shiggy!) and Spielberg seem to be pals.

[Zero Seven]

I think if there are going to be any overwelming secrets it will be the price tag as im sure Nintendo realised the negetivity towards the price tag of the PS3.

Im defintely not expecting any big secrets other than that.

also that flap (not the gc controller ports) that everyone talks about, wouldnt that be for whatever memory they are using to save ur games on? i mean they wont reveal the flap until they make it offical how we would save our games, thats all i genuinely think the flap will be about also.

reason why i said this which would seem offtopic is because many people think this will be something big.

I think we have seen the best of the Wii in terms of secrets and im already shitfaced impressed!

[Kurtle Squad]

Erm....we still haven't see what's in that bit... Or do we know what it is now?

[LazyBoy]

Yes there are more secrets, but don't get your hopes up guys. I'm not ruling out the possibility of something groundbraking, but i'm going to presume it's something small like a microphone, just because it's more likely.

There's also the online and virtual console capabilities we've heard nothing about. I'm thinking along those lines maybe.

[Zero Seven]

Erm....we still haven't see what's in that bit... Or do we know what it is now?

No we havent but it makes more sense than some of what we have heard recently, i mean if the Wii doesnt have a hard drive then your memory cards or what not gotta go somewhere dont they?

[The Peeps]

I thought the final secret was that the nun-chuck has a motion sensor aswell?

[Nintendork]

reason why i said this which would seem offtopic is because many people think this will be something big.
I was one of the true blood believers that there was something more than SD under that hood.

Can we please all call it the hood instead of the flap to avoid confusion with regard to the upper GameCube peripheral ports flap?

With 512mb on board, and the intended inclusion of generic USB drivers for flash and hard drive based mass storage devices it leads me to the conclusion more so than ever that there is something more than SD under the hood.

If you think from a chipset point of view, it would be much easier to engineer it so all cards and peripherals go into the top flap of the console.. why not have the GameCube memory cards, and the SD cards next to each other? SD slots are hardly massive.. it makes much more sense to do it this way.

Anyway.. I'm sure you'll all argue how it has been stated by X Y and Z 5 billion times that the SD cards go under the hood.
I'll just go play Mario.

[conzer16]

I agree with Stocka - we havent seen everything yet!

Wait for a few months and we'll see what Nintendo are hiding

[Konfucius]

I also believe there's something pretty big left. After all they made a huge stage in the huge Kodak theater and then basically only showed how Wii will play. I was quite disappointed about that because I expected so much more.

[DCK]

Ah come on. Hype created a 'third secret' which never really came out and now you're expecting to find out another secret after E3? It's all just marketing exaggeration to keep you hyped, there's nothing to look forward to.

Don't get yourself hyped up like that, you'll only dissappoint yourself. Just because you want it so badly doesn't mean they're actually hiding something.

[guarana]

8D .. ???

THE SPEAKER IN THE CONTROLLER CANT BE THE FINAL SECRET!!1one

could be anything , i mean damn they put a frickin speaker on the remote for god sakes ......

nintendo, ...we all know drugs can be fun ..........
..but damn, lay off - No , ...cut back atleast ... yeah cut back allittle bit here and there , guy....................

[goku21]

naysayers please don´t post. there are other threads!!!!
There is a big secret coming!!! Shut up the signs speak the truth!!!!!

[ViPeR]

And to those that say 'but we've already seen it on TV screens so it can't be' well Nintendo always said the console would play on a TV/Monitor but a special form of 3D would be optional.

Nope you basically just made that up. One question, where's the real evidence?

[Stocka]

Nope you basically just made that up. One question, where's the real evidence?
I'm not stating its a fact, I'm saying to the people that dismiss it because its been played on TVs that it could happen because it would be optional.

[Shoe]

How about we all pretend wii've never heard of this 'big secret'.
What do you think of Nintendo Wii now? Is it still amazing to you?
You'll know when everything is revealed. I try to keep the big secret out of my head so it doesn't get my hopes to high

[Owen]

Theres more hardware secrets, without a doubt! Nothing to major but cool!

Oh and it's so obviously being released in October at $199. Her face tells it all, she trys to change the subject but shes pretty surprised his spot-on with both things.

Oh and i like her! Shes funny and down to earth! :grin:

[AshMat]

I really hope the secret isn't a flap ¬_¬

[Stocka]

Theres more hardware secrets, without a doubt! Nothing to major but cool!

Oh and it's so obviously being released in October at $199. Her face tells it all, she trys to change the subject but shes pretty surprised his spot-on with both things.

Oh and i like her! Shes funny and down to earth! :grin:
She's great isn't she :D
Its funny how hard Matt was trying to squeeze info out of her, he nearly caught her on the October date.

[Tyson]

8D .. ???

THE SPEAKER IN THE CONTROLLER CANT BE THE FINAL SECRET!!1one

could be anything , i mean damn they put a frickin speaker on the remote for god sakes ......

nintendo, ...we all know drugs can be fun ..........
..but damn, lay off - No , ...cut back atleast ... yeah cut back allittle bit here and there , guy....................

Please Guarana, don't act like an idiot.

I think the speaker in the Wii remote was quite a nice thing. The thought of hearing things fly from you to you target sounds great (like the bow on Zelda). It adds to the whole "feeling" theme.

Well, I'm quite pleased with what's been revealed so far for Wii (even the name) so if the next revelation is like the speaker, I shall be content.

[Shyguy]

ok imagine you were nintendo, you were about to announce this big 3rd secret every1 has been speculating about, and from that quote saying if were hoping nunchuk will have motion sensative to be the only secret, were in for a big surprise. around 9 hours be4, u see sony, revealing thier new "innotive" controller and indeed just adding it recently. would you tell this 3rd secret at E3?

HELL NO

[demonmike04]

Can we please all call it the hood instead of the flap to avoid confusion with regard to the upper GameCube peripheral ports flap?

I would of thought flap would be more appropriate than hood, since the gamecube ports are on top and that should be the hood.
It seems to just be you that gets confused now..

[Tyson]

ok imagine you were nintendo, you were about to announce this big 3rd secret every1 has been speculating about, and from that quote saying if were hoping nunchuk will have motion sensative to be the only secret, were in for a big surprise. around 9 hours be4, u see sony, revealing thier new "innotive" controller and indeed just adding it recently. would you tell this 3rd secret at E3?

HELL NO
That's an extremely good point. I'm sure Nintendo are getting used to Sony taking their ideas by now though, hence why Nintendo commented "copying is the greatest form of flattery" and all that jazz.

[Balfron]

guys it cant be that important, because it obviously doesn't affect any of the games we saw at E3...

I can't believe these rumours started only 3 days after you were dissapointed at E3!

A speaker... wow...

[Owen]

She's great isn't she :D
Its funny how hard Matt was trying to squeeze info out of her, he nearly caught her on the October date.

I know! She nearly said 'yes'. lol :grin:

I liked her little puns and about the sauce...what was she going on about?....:grin:

[The fish]

i hope its a time machine, that would blow sony right out of the water.

The PS£ is a time machine!
At least, it is according to Sony. They claim the console is 4D, and the 4th dimension is time.

£5 says that whatever the final secret is, Sony will copy it at some point.
If anyone is willing to take me up on that, I might as well take your money now...

[RuneSP]

Tbh I actually have a feeling that the hardware secret(s) is *drum solo* an optional visor :D And I have a reason to think this, if you look at Red Steel and Metroid Prime: Corruption, you would see that you'll have to "drag" the screen around, when aiming with wii-mote you only control the "crosshair" not the whole point of view, like in most PC FPS. Now they release a visor with the tilt function as well, so when u turn ur head it would move the "point of view" :D and the visor would have a mic too... it wouldnt have to be a big clumsy thing, just a kind of "glasses", depending on how much space the whole tilt-thingy would require... now that would indeed attend to hardcore gamers :D:D:D

... or the reason to that the wii-mote doesnt move the whole view could be that it would make the person feel dizzy, as it would be hard to hold to wii-mote just as steady as an mouse on a table, i dunno XD

[Stocka]

Tbh I actually have a feeling that the hardware secret(s) is *drum solo* an optional visor :D And I have a reason to think this, if you look at Red Steel and Metroid Prime: Corruption, you would see that you'll have to "drag" the screen around, when aiming with wii-mote you only control the "crosshair" not the whole point of view, like in most PC FPS. Now they release a visor with the tilt function as well, so when u turn ur head it would move the "point of view" :D and the visor would have a mic too... it wouldnt have to be a big clumsy thing, just a kind of "glasses", depending on how much space the whole tilt-thingy would require... now that would indeed attend to hardcore gamers :D:D:D
You control where you look with the nunchuck...

[RuneSP]

You control where you look with the nunchuck...

dont u just strafe/move back and forward? if not, how do u strafe then?

[guarana]

fine
16 D ...
i like the speeker in the remote and all.....i think its incredibly creative , something only nintendo would think of ,...
but if that was the final SECRET they were refering to , then ......damn .....dont get me wrong .
this e3 was way better then i thought it would turn out to be...
if the final secrets a mic i wouldnt be surprised....
thats i was gettin at ....

[djamb3]

Don't you know what is the 3d secret yet??? It's clearly the connect24, and even know it is not revolutionary I'm sure it is it because the words Iwata used to present it. If I find the words I'll post, but I'm preety sure this is the secret left.

[Stocka]

oops I mean you control where you look with the wiimote, strafe with nunchuck

[RuneSP]

oops I mean you control where you look with the wiimote, strafe with nunchuck

no, u only control the actual crosshair with the wiimote, try looking at some movies of metroid corruption. Although u may be able to control where u look with the wiimote if u hold some kind of button while moving it...

[Hellfire]

There is no big secret, just some tiny details we haven't seen before, stop wanting more and more and more.

[Raven]

the time machine is to combat ps3's 4D capabilities

[Philoss]

I'm not sure what to think about all this.

+ Perrin Kaplan said there's more hardware secret.
+ The wiimote speaker seams a little small for a secret.
+ Some developers said they knew about the third secret when it was revealed to them.
+ the connect24 was not really revealed... What do we know about it ?
+ TGS is not too late.

Still, I noted something that maybe not everybody saw :

http://www.revo-europe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=331&stc=1&d=1147660185

The little grab on the center of the flap that appeared this E3 means that this doors needs to be opened easily. This is Ok whit the memory card theory but might lead to others as well. You're better than be on this.
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[Sixfold01]

nice find Philoss, I wouldn't have noticed that... I agree with those that say not to get to hyped about it... because what other secret could there be? Hmmm, if anything I think they'll just talk about the Wii's Connect24 thing... and maybe the whole "customizable" wii controller that Miyamoto mentioned.

Visual disruptors?
3D stereoscopic
HOLOGRAPHIC IMAGERY

http://wallfullamovies.com/laugh0vc.gif

^^^ thats a very disturbing picture... those puppets are scary...

[phez_boy]

for me, if there is still a secret to come (which i personally beleive there is) it would from now on purely and simply be a bonus. i did wait for E3 in the hope that this '3rd secret' would be something unbelievable that would firmly cement nintendo in this generation as a key player. but the thing is, without even needing that bonus, they have already stolen the show and convinced the general gaming public of gameplay over graphics. i showed my mate (who is a total PS fanboy) the SSB: brawl trailer and his jaw just dropped, then i showed him the 5min trailer with all the different games using the wiimote and all it took was 10mins and 2 clips and he is swaring he is buying a Wii on launch day. i mean for gods sake the broke records at E3 for waiting lines!!! nintendo deffinately know what they are doing this time round thats for sure.

[goku21]

Yeah they know! But it´s one of nintendos last chances to gain marketshare in homeconsoles-market!It´s now 50/50 to win the console-war! So they will do everything to be king this round.
They´ve already convinced a lot of people! But if they give a bonus everybody will totally be blown away! And then they will be @ a 80 - 90 %
chance to win the war!

O.K.: what do we have?

wiimote
wiimote-speaker
connect24
a big amount of games
cpu ca. 750 MHz gpu ca. 350 MHz

what isn´t official untl now?

built-in physics-simulation ( Konami quote)
DX10 compatible shader/architecture (ATI/Interview on gametrailers)


rumors
Nintendopatents regarding graphics-synthesis
stereoscopic 3D
projektor
visor / ruled out!!!

I dont count lame things like a microphone etc. you can just double the speaker on the wiimote!

[JetSetWilly]

There's clearly more to come. It's not possible to watch the video interview with Perrin Kaplan and think there's nothing more to know. And don't forget that Reggie, earlier in the year, said "we'll announce more at E3 and we'll keep on announcing stuff right up to launch".

As for the flap on the front. Looks just about the right size to slide a 3.5" HDD in there to me. After all, HDD storage is more likely something that the "hardcode gamer" Perrin refers to is going to be interested in.

[Fierce_LiNk]

Goku21, how is a microphone lame? It can add something new to games. Just take project rub or wario ware for example.

[Nintendork]

I would of thought flap would be more appropriate than hood, since the gamecube ports are on top and that should be the hood.
It seems to just be you that gets confused now..
Hood of the car:
http://www.wolfeden.org/firehawk/images/hood.jpg
The front. There are a number of occasions where people have got confused over terminology for the Wii.

Wand/Wiimote
Hood/Flap.

[conzer16]

Can we call the mystery slot the hood or the flap and call where the GC ports are the lid.

All solved!:D

[Fierce_LiNk]

Aye, but i think when he said "hood should be on top" he meant it as in relation to hoodies. At least, that's what i figured.

[conzer16]

Yes I understand that........


okay lets call it the hoodflap and the lid.

???

[raven_blade2006]

I cant wait to find out what else is coming. Im sold already but even more secrets will be icing on the cake.

[wackman]

what about that "displacement mapping"? Are they using that allready? How can one tell? Maybe there is still a surpise in graphics?
I'm very happy with the Wii as it is and i will buy one anyway. But i thought the graphics in Red Steel, Metroid prime, etc were Gamecube quality. There are rumours that the demo's were played on cubes.... So i have this tiny hope that the next secret will be that the graphics will be a little bit better (although Mario Galaxy had perfect graphics and seemd to run on some kind of physics engine)

[goku21]

Goku21, how is a microphone lame? It can add something new to games. Just take project rub or wario ware for example.

It´s not lame in terms of gaming, but in terms of a secret( every fuckin headset can do it)! You can just use the wiimote-speaker and double it as a mic!

[Fierce_LiNk]

It´s not lame in terms of gaming, but in terms of a secret( every fuckin headset can do it)! You can just use the wiimote-speaker and double it as a mic!

Ok, i see what you mean.:)

Well, a lot of us are betting that there will be a few smaller tidbits of information left to be revealed, rather than one final big secret. If this does turn to be true, then i can certainly see a feature like the microphone being implemented.

[wackman]

Huh!?

Metroid prime will have some graphical polish from now till launch.

red steel needs a delay.

i think smash bros shows how good the graphics the wii can produce.

but where are my next gen physics and animation, they matter more then graphics.

My english is not so great i'm afraid... basicly what i mean is that SM Galaxy is using shaders, different gravity on different planets, all kinds of lighting, reflexions, etc. The game seems to take more advantage of the Wii capabillities...

[goku21]

Yeah I think there will be some small things, which don´t really add to the cost of the system but are very intelligent implemented( see the wiimotespeaker) but there is also a big secret with that nintendo can own the GDC!

My english is not so great i'm afraid... basicly what i mean is that SM Galaxy is using shaders, different gravity on different planets, all kinds of lighting, reflexions, etc. The game seems to take more advantage of the Wii capabillities...


Finally someone with common sense! ( sorry but i´m on ign-boards too)
about new ragdoll-physics and things... that´s really up to the developers, this is just the beginning, everything was scripted in the past and there are not so many realtime-animation-experts in the game-industrie...it takes time!

[monkeyDluffy]

well with the havok physics engine licenced for Wii now, we should see more realistic stuff soon.

[wackman]

well with the havok physics engine licenced for Wii now, we should see more realistic stuff soon.

Does anyone know what this Havoc engine is all about? What does it do to improve the graphics?

[DCK]

The Havok engine is a software library developers buy so that their programmers don't have to program the physics themselves. If it's implemented in the hardware like rumoured for the Wii, it takes off a load of calculation work to do for the CPU so that it can focus on other tasks. An implementation in the GPU's shader pipeline however, might lower the shader capacity of the GPU, so it could potentially make graphics look slightly worse. I doubt that'll happen though.

[Hellfire]

After seeing good Red Steel videos, I'm thinking the press is overreacting. There's a video at GCcafe where the guy who's playing plays perfectly. He turns easily and fast, he aims very acccuratly and the graphics look great and very stilized. I think they were just disapointed about the swordplay not being as expected. If you think about it, the game would be very hard if the sword did what you do in real life.

[Caris]

The final secret is that the Wii will makes cups of coffie.

honest.

[DCK]

After seeing good Red Steel videos, I'm thinking the press is overreacting. There's a video at GCcafe where the guy who's playing plays perfectly. He turns easily and fast, he aims very acccuratly and the graphics look great and very stilized. I think they were just disapointed about the swordplay not being as expected. If you think about it, the game would be very hard if the sword did what you do in real life.
Yeah, as I said somewhere before, they're playing it wrong.

I'll translate a part out of the magazine I mentioned:
How does it work? Quite simply. In one hand you hold the remote, smaller than you expect, but very comfortable. With this you aim the gun. Even the slightest movement causes the crosshair to move over the screen. The crosshair doesn't stay centered, like in traditional first person shooters. In the beginning, the developers had programmed it that way but because your hand always shakes a bit, this causes 'motion sickness'. Now you only move your viewpoint when you move your crosshairs a couple of centimetres off-centre.

Once you've aimed for your enemy you press the button beneath your index finger; that's right, exactly the place where you normally find the trigger of a gun. The first minute, I felt slightly disoriented. Judging the reactions of my fellow journalists, they had the same problem. After years with dual analog control, you develop certain preprogrammed thoughts about how to play an FPS. Just forget it all! Don't think and follow your intuition. Rarely shooting ever felt this good.

It was funny to see that pretty much everybody started out holding the controller like it's a light gun: so pointing at the screen with a stretched arm. That's until you find out that you get a very tired arm of that. And that's not all: this way you're way too slow and you lack overview. The most comfortable and efficient way of playing seems to be playing from the wrist. With a relaxed arm, so you can get maximum result with minimal movement. It doesn't matter whether you're dead in front of the screen or whether you're playing from an angle: your aim is always as good. A sensor, a flat beam on top of your TV takes care of that.It seems to work fantastic to them, because apparently they have played it the way you should.

[wackman]

well, we'll see. I think Nintendo games are a lot of fun. But i do like good graphics also. I played Mario sunshine with a smile on my face but i thought the graphics were below par. I was flabbergasted when i played Res4! I hope that we don't have to wait for the last year of the Wii to see awesome graphics. But looking at the galaxy gameplay clips, no worries!

ps: Does anyone have the HD clip from IGN?????

[Hal_9Million]

They said they have more hardware secrets in an interview. I don't think it'll be long before they do though. I think the reason they missed stuff out at E3 was because it may have taken emphasis from the games on show. E3 was really an opportunety for Nintendo to display Wii games, and a few more details on top. I believe Sony would've had a much better show had they not announced that horrible price in their conference. I think that kinda made people lose interest a bit. Stupid Sony.

[conzer16]

If its an interview id be willing to stick €20 on it being in Issue 5 or 6 of ONM

[DCK]

If the new new hardware is so ground breaking, we would've seen it in the games.

[wackman]

After seeing good Red Steel videos, I'm thinking the press is overreacting. There's a video at GCcafe where the guy who's playing plays perfectly. He turns easily and fast, he aims very acccuratly and the graphics look great and very stilized. I think they were just disapointed about the swordplay not being as expected. If you think about it, the game would be very hard if the sword did what you do in real life.

Looks like Red Steel is using Rag doll physics...

[goku21]

Havok-engine is a ragdoll-system along with some other physical phenomenons... It´s availeble on all platforms. The statement @ E3 states that they will begin to optimize this engine to take advantage off the wii´s hardware-capabilities. It´s not build in the wii. Build in is a ppu or pp-extensions to the other chips. So the engine will perhaps work without the usage of the host-cpu...I´m not afraid in terms of shader-power since graphicschips are soo unbelieveble more powerfull than cpus...

[DCK]

That statement about 'optimizing for hardware' kind of proves there's new physics acceleration in there, as otherwise they could've just ported the Cube library.

Physics acceleration matches the controller perfectly. I bet after the final devkits are shipped, along with the new Havok engine, games will look even better than they do now.

The Wii has a GPU, physics acceleration and a sound processor. Man, the only intensive task the CPU still has to do is artificial intelligence...

[wackman]

Havok-engine is a ragdoll-system along with some other physical phenomenons... It´s availeble on all platforms. The statement @ E3 states that they will begin to optimize this engine to take advantage off the wii´s hardware-capabilities. It´s not build in the wii. Build in is a ppu or pp-extensions to the other chips. So the engine will perhaps work without the usage of the host-cpu...I´m not afraid in terms of shader-power since graphicschips are soo unbelieveble more powerfull than cpus...

Aah, i read some more on the i-net. Havok-engine is used for Halflife 2.
That is one good engine when it comes to gravity and body limbs.
I think elebits will be using this in a big way. I heard some negative reports about this game, but i think it's rather promising really...

I'm having more positive feelings about the quality of the opcoming wii games graphics!

That statement about 'optimizing for hardware' kind of proves there's new physics acceleration in there, as otherwise they could've just ported the Cube library.

Physics acceleration matches the controller perfectly. I bet after the final devkits are shipped, along with the new Havok engine, games will look even better than they do now.

The Wii has a GPU, a PPU and a sound processor. Man, the only intensive task the CPU still has to do is artificial intelligence...

Excellent! I read somewhere that it makes no difference how many ennemies there are on screen. It doesn't effect the cpu (much) anymore

[goku21]

That statement about 'optimizing for hardware' kind of proves there's new physics acceleration in there, as otherwise they could've just ported the Cube library....

good point!!!


The Wii has a GPU, physics acceleration and a sound processor. Man, the only intensive task the CPU still has to do is artificial intelligence...

And poligons! Therefor we won´t see so highly detailed (poligonwise) games like Gears of War...but I´m confident that wii can pull off same shader-effects and perhaps more than 360... it´s a full year now since the 360 GPU was finalized. This whole physics-thing is quite a confirmation that ATI packed in even newer tech. Does anybody have the link to that interview with ati about dx10?

From what we´ve seen about elebits, it seems you can not only lift things up and down but rather throw them in in all directions and they all fly physically correct through the air. Real fun I think!
http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/824/824989/vids_1.html

And here is the official trailer! could become a must buy!!!(I posted it once but nobody recognized it:weep: )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyXN99_w19s

[wackman]

good point!!!




And poligons! Therefor we won´t see so highly detailed (poligonwise) games like Gears of War...but I´m confident that wii can pull off same shader-effects and perhaps more than 360... it´s a full year now since the 360 GPU was finalized. This whole physics-thing is quite a confirmation that ATI packed in even newer tech. Does anybody have the link to that interview with ati about dx10?

From what we´ve seen about elebits, it seems you can not only lift things up and down but rather throw them in in all directions and they all fly physically correct through the air. Real fun I think!
http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/824/824989/vids_1.html

And here is the official trailer! could become a must buy!!!(I posted it once but nobody recognized it:weep: )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyXN99_w19s

I saw a Halflife 2 hack. you could grab everything and anybody and throw them in the air. There was no point to the game, but it was a lot of fun and made possible by the Havok engine.

elebits looks like it could become a new francise... Could...

[blender]

Apparently the wii has an upgraded KITT technology. The sensor bar hasa a blue glow that swoosh accross it left and right. Its not just there to look 80's cool either

[Tellyn]

The ability to play online with both DS and Wii owners.

[Jamba]

good point!!!




And poligons! Therefor we won´t see so highly detailed (poligonwise) games like Gears of War...but I´m confident that wii can pull off same shader-effects and perhaps more than 360... it´s a full year now since the 360 GPU was finalized. This whole physics-thing is quite a confirmation that ATI packed in even newer tech. Does anybody have the link to that interview with ati about dx10?

From what we´ve seen about elebits, it seems you can not only lift things up and down but rather throw them in in all directions and they all fly physically correct through the air. Real fun I think!
http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/824/824989/vids_1.html

And here is the official trailer! could become a must buy!!!(I posted it once but nobody recognized it:weep: )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyXN99_w19s


Goku you're a genius! That trailer ruled! Loving hte music and the light source from their little antennae are gonna be so cool in game. I wonder how big it's gonna get? There was talk of having to root them out in a whole city :shock:

[wackman]

could displacement mapping in an advanced way have anything to do with a secret yet to be revealed? Maybe the wii doesn t need a lot of power. Combining the Havok engine, a GPU, physics acceleration and a sound processor with an advanced method (economic use) of texture mapping?

Here is a link that shows an example of displacement mapping on body armour. If this is true, Then imagine how the clothes of Link and the body-armour of enemies can look like. Or is this example too much credit for the displacement mapping technique?

http://www.playbomb.com/2005/12/11/124/nintendo-displacement-mapping-patents-discoverec/

Goku you're a genius! That trailer ruled! Loving hte music and the light source from their little antennae are gonna be so cool in game. I wonder how big it's gonna get? There was talk of having to root them out in a whole city :shock:

Update: Elebits gameplay!!! http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2732

[blender]

http://reviews.cnet.com/E3_Trimension_virtual_reality_kit/4660-12331_7-6526545.html?tag=vid

Available now, under $400, good for hardcore games. Could nintendo or someone else make it an optional extra for consoles?

[InvaderElmo]

I think that the controllers pertaining to an individual user (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/miyamoto-reveals-wii-details-to-kotaku-173232.php) identity and storing settings, etc. is at least as good of a "the secret" as the Wiimote speaker. My personal hope is that it also contains a universal friend code that allows you to track your stats. This could be used to bring up your profile in the Opera browser where you could adjust settings, give game specific permissions to certain friends, turn rivals into friends, etc. That way there could be four "gamertags" signed on at the same time and you could just take your Wiimote with you to a friend's house, play on his system, and it would automagically continue tracking your stats. Simple but effective.

[Philoss]

http://reviews.cnet.com/E3_Trimension_virtual_reality_kit/4660-12331_7-6526545.html?tag=vid

Available now, under $400, good for hardcore games. Could nintendo or someone else make it an optional extra for consoles?

400$ Is too much money in Nintendo's opinion.
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[goku21]

Yes because if you´re expected to sell 20000000 or more units, the price wil go way down! That visor is probably some kind of prototype and is expected to sell ca. 100000 units!

[Kurtle Squad]

http://www.revo-europe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=331&stc=1&d=1147660185


The slot & light don't look as cool anymore :(

[Stefkov]

bastards, it looked better before than now. oh well, its not something we'll look at all the time anyway

[demonmike04]

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/wiiflap.JPG
OPEN THE FLAP BE IS!

Cant see any thing though, but i think its puts water on the fiery rumour that the secret has something to do with the flap. Because if they are willing to show the inside, there couldnt be something there that they wanted secret.

[Fresh]

LOL inside the "Wii Flap"

[Wolf]

The light looks better now than it did before - and besides, the comparison is between the black and the white version. Of course the light will appear brighter on the black console.

[mike-zim]

there is no other secret i refuse to believe i will not hear of such a thing. i will wait for the console to be release then i will see. i built myself up for the third secret at E3 but nothing came. no third secret.

console looks better now than then.

[Jamba]

Also both shots are taken at different veiwing angles. Makes a big difference for something that is essencially a ring around the edge. Still can't believe how small the damn thing is. I mean it just looks like a big DS Lite.

[DCK]

The slot & light don't look as cool anymore :(
That's because the 2005 pictures were obviously Photoshopped. There's no way it has such a light by itself.

[Gaijin von Snikbah]

ITS A GBA CARTRIDGE!!

[Philoss]

Good find Demonmike.

From your picture, I measured that the black hole is 40.1 mm wide by 10.7 mm thick. (Considering the whole thing is about the size of three stacked up DVD cases). There seams to be a (eject ?) button or a LED at the left.

A compact flash (type II) is 43 mm wide and 5 mm thick. So the hole is about the size of two compact flash card. (Not two compact flash slots, two compact flash cards).

That doesn't fit the two SD cards storage annouced, but could receive a microdrive (same size as a compact flash).

My bet is it's not final yet, and that this is a version using a compact flash card.

Edit :
Substeinar posted while I was writing. a gba cartridge is 9.5 mm thick (perfect fit) and 60 mm wide (50% more than my evaluation). You can see instantly that the hole is less than half of the slot which is a bit more than 120 mm large. The idea would make sense still.
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[cophew]

codenamerevolution.com/?p=621

Interesting.

[DCK]

A collection of misunderstandings and people who want it too much. Nintendo won't put the SD card slot on the back of the console. An expansion port will not provide enough bandwidth for an expansion, and neither does it agree with Nintendo's philosophy of 'don't care about graphics' and most importantly the philosophy of easy game design.

It's the SD card slot. Note the big fat period.

[Jamba]

Hmmmm Heliodisplays....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XOSx7v87JCA&search=heliodisplay
Expensive but lots of potential.

But on seriously, we all know that Micheal J. Fox has passed on his knowledge of the Flux Capacitor so that it can be put under the flap.

[Philoss]

Still, do you think Game boy games could be downloadable on virtual console ?

I never owned a portable console, so there's a lot of game that I would like to play.
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[Stefkov]

i dont think so. not gameboy and such, its a home console, if it can do GB games then i dont see why to hold this info back. surely they would have released this info with saying it can download back console games.its not much of a thing to take everyone by surprise.
it could be all the info on downloading demos and such for oyur ds, or demos for the Wii or something. but i dont know unlikely?
its hard to tell what it is, im trying to think something that we gamers but not all techy might notice. but it could be something internally which most of you techies could think about.

[Marshmellow]

Everyone seems to be assuming that the speaker on the wiimote was the last secret,

.... hmm i obviously dont pay attention any more since im going completely black on this "speaker" lol

[Stefkov]

.... hmm i obviously dont pay attention any more since im going completely black on this "speaker" lol

May 9, 2006 - Nintendo today unveiled the final piece in the Wii controller puzzle: a built-in speaker placed in the middle of the freehand-style pointer.

The square audio outlet is used to deliver "in-your-hand" aural immersion. Since the right-hand Wii-mote is used for direct interaction with objects in the games, Nintendo included the controller speaker to give players direct audio feedback pertaining to do those objects.

For example, when you are casting your lure while fishing in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, you can hear the whirring of the line as you flick the controller forward. Likewise, when you nock your arrow and pull back the bow string in the game, you can actually hear the creaking and more accurately feel the tension on the string.

The quality of the audio output is expectedly limited -- imagine the sound quality from a Nintendo DS speaker.
http://uk.revolution.ign.com/articles/706/706147p1.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41392000/jpg/_41392071_wii203pa.jpg
voila, picture not from ign had to find the bloody pic elsewhere

[SpinesN]

Gameboy support is unlikly since it would be a potential hit to the DS. After blowing the image up and playing with the brightness/contrast I have seen nothing but a black mark on a white box. Simply put in this image the entire thing is a collection of black pixels. Since we know SD cards will be supported and we have seen EVERY other spot on the box I think it's safe to assume the SD slots will go there. That leaves a fair bit of room left over (even after you give some room for spacing the slots so they look good).
What else goes in there? Good question :)

[Marshmellow]

ooooh thats pretty cool cant believe i had never heard of it before though haha

[YenRug]

From your picture, I measured that the black hole is 40.1 mm wide by 10.7 mm thick. (Considering the whole thing is about the size of three stacked up DVD cases). There seams to be a (eject ?) button or a LED at the left.

A compact flash (type II) is 43 mm wide and 5 mm thick. So the hole is about the size of two compact flash card. (Not two compact flash slots, two compact flash cards).

That doesn't fit the two SD cards storage annouced, but could receive a microdrive (same size as a compact flash).

My bet is it's not final yet, and that this is a version using a compact flash card.

Are you serisouly saying that you couldn't fit an SD card slot in that space??? You do know that Compact Flash cards are physically the biggest types of flash memory around, don't you? You could probably fit two SD slots in the space one CF slot takes up. Also, Nintendo have a partnership, of sorts, with Panasonic who created SD cards, so I think it's a safe bet you're not going to suddenly see a shift to another format.

[Philoss]

Answer to YenRug :

I could easily fit a unique SD slot in that space, but There shall be two of them, and I assume they would be in the same place. If you place two SD card slot vertically, you need some space between them (for your fingers), and it would be more than a cm high (even though I have small fingers). If you place them horizontally, it would take 2 x 24mm = 48 mm plus a bit of space between them and on both side, which is a bit large, and not thick enough.

I didn't want to say that Nintendo is going to switch to Compact flash, but rather that they were using it to develop the console. Memory cards don't need to be tested, so they could change it at the last second without problem.
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[Shoe]

Was it revealed yet...I don't want to read all that ;_;

[nry]

How about this: the slot is there to connect your Wii to your PC to use it as a dev-kit? Nintendo went on about allowing games to be made be lots of people, this could be a feasible place to put a connection I would think. No reason why the slot couldn't take an SD card and a connection like this? Alongside the company (Hudson Soft?) recently announced to be making development software, this would be a very amazing final secret and would explain the comments from the Nintendo people......

[myster0n]

Maybe it houses a connector for an external cartridge adaptor, with which you can connect all cartridges from all nintendo consoles? Then you wouldn't have to rely on what they make available on connect24.

... I admit, it doesn't make much sense to put that on the front of the console ...

[wackman]

that's where your coins go. That's the last secret. It's a piggy bank..
oooorrrr, it's a SD card slot

[YenRug]

Answer to YenRug :

I could easily fit a unique SD slot in that space, but There shall be two of them, and I assume they would be in the same place. If you place two SD card slot vertically, you need some space between them (for your fingers), and it would be more than a cm high (even though I have small fingers). If you place them horizontally, it would take 2 x 24mm = 48 mm plus a bit of space between them and on both side, which is a bit large, and not thick enough.

I didn't want to say that Nintendo is going to switch to Compact flash, but rather that they were using it to develop the console. Memory cards don't need to be tested, so they could change it at the last second without problem.

Slight flaw in your logic: why would you need to be able to get to both SD cards at the same time? SD card slots feature the spring loaded push to lock/push to eject system, realistically you would only need to insert or eject any one card at a time, so needing space to be able to handle two cards at once is a bit of a reach. I don't know what space, physically, two SD card slots need to fit next to each other, but I suspect it's less than you're suggesting.

[Stefkov]

i bet its a chocloate dispenser. did anyone have that cadburys adriy milk dispenser. you put i 2ps and it would give you a chocolate, i bet its that, everytime you complete a level it gives you some chocolate.
your parents would put it in for you when you first get it. some chocolates come with the console.

[DCK]

Ah, that would make games so much better :smile:
I bet I would get sick from owning everybody at SSB that way though...

[Edjamakated]

IMPORTANT

I don't post very often, if at all anymore, but to those that have read my posts one thing is for sure -- they shouldn't be takin' lightly. I did, afterall, design a mock-up that was uncanny to the Wiimote (before it was revealed of course).

Anyway, as this thread mentions in its title, I believe there is a last secret. However, while you all seem concerned with new hardware and the like, I bark up a different tree.

You see, instead of hoping for a new feature (though there will definitely be one), we should instead combine what we know and see what possibilities are capable.

What are these peices of the puzzle? Well, actually, two new peices became apparent during Nintendo's pre-E3 press conference.

WiiConnect24
A speaker in the Wiimote.

Now, alone they don't make much. However, with a little creativity and hope, something amazing comes into view.

You see, what if we add a Microphone into the equation? What if we add it into the Wiimote?

Hell, a microphone makes more sense to add than a speaker, but adding both make far more sense than either one of them alone.

So let's say they do add one. Maybe it's the last hardware feature, maybe not.

Now, imagine this -- it's a little abstract so keep an open mind.

Wii-Riing

Using the WiiConnect24, the Wii essentially becomes an always accessible machine. With the help of software, Nintendo could create a system in which players can add friends to a list that can be managed. This list allows a unique ability never before seen thanks to the speaker and mic within the Wiimote.

For instance, imagine sitting at home, on your computer, or doing something other than playing a videogame. Your friend is bored and wants to play some Super Smash Brothers: Brawl. So, he brings up his friends list, looks you up and selects the Wii-Riing option. Then, just like a telephone, your Wii Remote makes a distinct ring or beeping sound. Perhaps even customizable with NES tunes? You pick up your remote, hit the A button, and then, just like a telephone you and your buddy are talking. If you are not there to answer, then next time you turn on the console, you will see a prompt with your missed Riings.

Brilliant!

Many more things can happen with WiiConnect24

What Iwata mentioned in regards to Animal Crossing is a very small example.

What about accessing your VC library from your DS while your Wii is off?

What about applying a Bittorent like setup with all the Wii consoles connect to the internet? Since they are always connected, they are always accessible.

So what do you guys think?

[wackman]

IMPORTANT

I don't post very often, if at all anymore, but to those that have read my posts one thing is for sure -- they shouldn't be takin' lightly. I did, afterall, design a mock-up that was uncanny to the Wiimote (before it was revealed of course).

Anyway, as this thread mentions in its title, I believe there is a last secret. However, while you all seem concerned with new hardware and the like, I bark up a different tree.

You see, instead of hoping for a new feature (though there will definitely be one), we should instead combine what we know and see what possibilities are capable.

What are these peices of the puzzle? Well, actually, two new peices became apparent during Nintendo's pre-E3 press conference.

WiiConnect24
A speaker in the Wiimote.

Now, alone they don't make much. However, with a little creativity and hope, something amazing comes into view.

You see, what if we add a Microphone into the equation? What if we add it into the Wiimote?

Hell, a microphone makes more sense to add than a speaker, but adding both make far more sense than either one of them alone.

So let's say they do add one. Maybe it's the last hardware feature, maybe not.

Now, imagine this -- it's a little abstract so keep an open mind.

Wii-Riing

Using the WiiConnect24, the Wii essentially becomes an always accessible machine. With the help of software, Nintendo could create a system in which players can add friends to a list that can be managed. This list allows a unique ability never before seen thanks to the speaker and mic within the Wiimote.

For instance, imagine sitting at home, on your computer, or doing something other than playing a videogame. Your friend is bored and wants to play some Super Smash Brothers: Brawl. So, he brings up his friends list, looks you up and selects the Wii-Riing option. Then, just like a telephone, your Wii Remote makes a distinct ring or beeping sound. Perhaps even customizable with NES tunes? You pick up your remote, hit the A button, and then, just like a telephone you and your buddy are talking. If you are not there to answer, then next time you turn on the console, you will see a prompt with your missed Riings.

Brilliant!

Many more things can happen with WiiConnect24

What Iwata mentioned in regards to Animal Crossing is a very small example.

What about accessing your VC library from your DS while your Wii is off?

What about applying a Bittorent like setup with all the Wii consoles connect to the internet? Since they are always connected, they are always accessible.

So what do you guys think?

I thought they allready said the controller would have a Microphone....
If not, great idea. You can Skype with your wii-mote!

[conzer16]

hmmmmm what about THIS (http://www.mozlapunk.net/homepage/?p=354) as the final secret??

An interactive Channel?????
(I really like the idea!)

But nowhere near confirmed......

EDIT: also found it here (http://www.gadgetspy.co.uk/2006/05/22/the-last-wii-wonder-of-the-world)

[ShadowV7]

I thought they confirmed a mic in the controller.Oh well.That channel thing is pretty interesting.

[wackman]

skyping on your wii would be super cool. especialy while gaming! Although listening, speaking and waving with your wiimote at the same time would be a little bit difficult i think. Maybe a wifi/ bluetooth headphone would help.

24 wii connect will be have major functionality so it seems.

I would like a skype function on my DS however (and a headphone with a built in microphone).

[Kryss864]

I would guess based on some of Perrin Kaplan's comments that the final "secret" is simply that the system itself will actually be much more powerful than we anticipated. I would guess that her comment on "hardcore gamers shouldn't stop paying attention to us", or something along those lines, could possibly mean that the processor is maybe half as fast as PS3/Xbox360, maybe 4-5 Ghz instead of .8-1 Ghz. And there could be a physics processor along with graphics and the CPU itself.

Or the secret could be that the flap on the front folds down so that the Wii can beam virtual reality images directly into the user's brain....it's anyone's guess :wink:

[blender]

Apparently there is a yet unannounced controller shell for the wii-remote. It is called the wii-bone. It is unique as it is the first game that you can play with your pets. This is in line with nintendo's philosophy of expanding gaming accross the entire family. The wii-bone can be handled by your dog and utilises the internal speaker for interaction. Fetch, Hide and seek, and Fight are just some of the mini games . The game will also be the first game to exploit DS connectivity through a new game nintendogs: rockviler and friends. No word on wifi support...
http://www.capri.dk/jokes/jokegrafik/sur.jpg

[Gaijin von Snikbah]

You cant handle the truth!

[DCK]

I'm wondering if there is a microphone on the Wii controller. Nobody ever confirmed it, no game seems to use it, and Iwata even said 'there's no microphone' at one time I believe... I can't imagine the Wii to be without microphone though.

[Philoss]

Edjamakated, there's no need to write IMPORTANT at the top of your topic, we'll read it anyway. In fact, I came close to not read it because of this introduction.

I hope that you don't foresee what will come to be the third secret, because a telephone can do all that, and I never use it.
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[Stocka]

Wii Massively More Powerful Than Expected? New Specs Emerge (http://news.spong.com/article/10118)

[Jamba]

Wii Massively More Powerful Than Expected? New Specs Emerge (http://news.spong.com/article/10118)

Good find there. How confirmed can we say this is now?

[Stocka]

It's spong so don't expect it to be true. If it is thought Sony are teh doomed

[Gaijin von Snikbah]

It is official: Daily Tech (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2227)

[Nintendork]

It is official: Daily Tech (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2227)
on May 10, 2006 at 8:12 PM

[DCK]

Wii Massively More Powerful Than Expected? New Specs Emerge (http://news.spong.com/article/10118)
Ugh, they sure overrate it massively.

Seriously the processor they've got confirmed is really nothing more than a reworking of GameCube processor. Double the clock speed and some more, and quadruple the cache. It probably delivers decent performance but it's not massively better than we expected at all.

The 'R520' based means nothing either. ATi likes to refer to their entire current branch of video cards, the Radeon X1 series, as R520 based. That means the o so powerful Radeon X1900XTX, but also the very crappy Radeon X1300, probably the worst deal you're going to get when buying a graphics card. The Cube GPU will probably be a heavily tweaked version of a notebook GPU by ATi. If that means a Mobility X1800 based card, then woohoo, it might get to half the performance of the 360 GPU. That's the best case scenario though.

We knew the graphics were significantly better than the Cube's from E3 anyway, so SponG is just blowing this up.

[Edjamakated]

Edjamakated, there's no need to write IMPORTANT at the top of your topic, we'll read it anyway. In fact, I came close to not read it because of this introduction.

I hope that you don't foresee what will come to be the third secret, because a telephone can do all that, and I never use it.

Your missing the point. It's not so much the functionality of the system as it is the ease of use.

Your not looking at the intuitiveness of all this. Nintendo is here to market to both you and non-gamers. Non-gamers don't know what the hell online gaming truly is. They don't know how it works and how you actually go about playing. That's why Nintendo has WiFi built-in, that's why Nintendo has a free internet service, and that's why Nintendo is trying to make it so easy to connect.

Now, imagine Nintendo holding a demostration where it show's this very simplistic "phone-like" online connection. Non-gamers are going to understand instantly. "So I click my friend to call them, then we can sort out what to play as if it were a phone? Ok....I can do that" and also "Oh, so when I here my Wiimote ringing, I simply press "A" to answer, then I sort out what I want to play? Ok....I can definitely do that."

It's all very simple.

Also, it keeps the focus on gaming. While your cooking, or reading a book in your room, if you hear your wiimote ringing, that means you have a change to play with your friend.

[blender]

I believe the wii mote used bluetooth. This has limited range (10m?)... so the wii mote is not going to be an ip phone.

[phez_boy]

i dont know, it still could b, i mean i reckon i can hear my mobile from almsot anywhere in my house (my house isnt huge but its not small). and if the speaker on the wiimote is loud enough i reckon u could easily hear it. and as long as your within 10m of ur wii then it should work. i dont have a home phone but i know for sure that the non-cordless ones dont have a wire that stretches 10m. so your still getting pretty good distance and moveablitiy. if this is true that is

[kellett03]

*stereoscopic 3d helmet visor*

long live the helmet

recently matt said something long the lines of "nintendo have not shown us the what is underneath the front flap" (not the ones gc pad plugs into) and that his (matt) other guess would be a mic in the wiimote

[mike-zim]

will i really like the idea of "Wii Riing" it would be a perfect way to play online.