Sony manipulating audience at Press Conference [Archive]

Dr Kong

10-05-2006, 11:55 AM

Had bias written all over the article. No doubt Sony's showing was poor, and no doubt the new pad looks crap and like a poor Wii knock off, but you'd think they had brought nothing to the gaming industry at all reading that nonsense.

I agree. Heavenly Sword looked pretty good too. However, the tilt sensor duel shock really did seem added on in a desperate attempt to steel Nintendo's thunder. Whether it will actually be used well, who knows.

Yoshiking

10-05-2006, 12:10 PM

What? "You'd think they had brought nothing into the gaming industry at all reading that nonsense"? No, you'd think that from actually paying attention to what they've been doing over the past 10 years. And from actual facts.
As the article states, the only innovative thing they've ever done is EyeToy, which is possibly the one thing in gaming that appeals the least to me. Along with DDR and SingStar and all that bullshit.
I think EyeToy sucks anyway, though others think otherwise. I honestly can not make myself see anything good about it.

mario114

10-05-2006, 02:03 PM

I agree. Heavenly Sword looked pretty good too. However, the tilt sensor duel shock really did seem added on in a desperate attempt to steel Nintendo's thunder. Whether it will actually be used well, who knows.

If developers only heard about it a few weeks ago, you can guess that it won't be used for quite a while, and even then it's functions are limited.

Hellfire

10-05-2006, 05:12 PM

Heavenly Sword looked pretty good, even though it's just a GoW copy. Shameless copy at that. This conf was horribly dull, but still, less power pointy than the last ones.

Dante

10-05-2006, 05:16 PM

Ubi Director Commends Wii, Shuns PS3

The creative director of Ubisoft Montreal had harsh words for Sony during an E3 workshop focusing on next-generation game design.

Clint Hocking, the creative director behind titles such as Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory explained how he was disappointed by Sony's attempts to copy technologies from the other consoles. After referring to Sony's mimicking of Xbox Live, and then duplicating components of Nintendo's motion sensitive controller, Hocking paused in frustration.

"How much more 'me too' can [Sony] be?," he asked.

Earlier in the discussion Hocking attacked the industry's strategy to up the ante in visuals significantly with each console.

It's a "fundamental problem of approach" to continue to push for stronger graphics, he said. He argued such an approach puts game developers in situations where they have to be factory workers. Assemble art texture here, model texture shades here. Repeat.

Further, Hocking claimed the adoption rate of high-definition televisions is so low, that the approach wastes resources on art that many customers won't even appreciate.

At the conclusion of the workshop, Hocking applauded Wii's new controller interface. If it can meet the technical accuracy promised by Nintendo, it can open up the creative minds of game designers, he said. While graphics may add emotion, Wii's new controller interface is more likely to bring emotion directly to the player.

Source (http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1147230320)

The fish

10-05-2006, 05:44 PM

I think whoever wrote that article has a point-they fail to mention any problems with the not quite as expensive article, they claim they are highly inovitive, and above all, they claim their new console is 4D.

After I picked myself up off the floor, wiping the tears away from my eyes, when I first heard it, I reaised "So that is why it is so expensive..."

For those of you who don't know, being able to be in, and change the way you move in, the 4th dimension, means you are able to manipulate time.

The 4th dimension is time. They just wan't to sound one better than 3D.

Pitty they picked the one thing that is technically impossible without going into space and flying around the Earth at around (if I remember correctly) 10 times the speed of light.

Sony=idiots.
Or should I say theiving idiots. But don't get me started on that. Just don't...

Towers

10-05-2006, 05:48 PM

I kind of agree. The whole thing was done terribly and the pacing was real bad. They showed of some great CGI but as for proper in-game footage? Resistence looked pants IMO both graphically and gameplay wise. GT HD was all about showing off the graphics but they spent way too long on it (A sign they didn't have much to show off) and MGS had no in-game footage yet people go mental over it?

A lot of people have picked up on how bad it was and I agree the mainstream won't automatically go for the PS3 this time due to pricing. A lot I believe will flock to the Xbox360 especially as it comes down in price even further by the time the PS3 is launched.

As for Sony not being inventive... don't fully agree. They have broadend the gaming spectrum and made games accessible and do provide games which Ninty on their system wouldn't and couldn't of. Final Fantasy 7 (One of the best games I have ever played) would of never of been impossible on N64 hence why Square jumped ship.

People are waking up a little now though and I really think this generation will be a struggle for Sony

mario_jr

10-05-2006, 05:59 PM

As for Sony not being inventive... don't fully agree. They have broadend the gaming spectrum and made games accessible and do provide games which Ninty on their system wouldn't and couldn't of. Final Fantasy 7 (One of the best games I have ever played) would of never of been impossible on N64 hence why Square jumped ship.

If you are refering to the CD format that PS started to use, then no they did not come out with it. It was Nintendo's idea to use CDs, it was going to be an add on for the SNES.

brueske

10-05-2006, 06:00 PM

I belive three things will happen soon.

1. Sony's whole videogaming industry will slowly die out.
2. Xbox will lead the path of great graphics, and some good storyline.
3. Nintendo will take the path of innovation, and make games that are actually fun, and Wii will be a huge hit, allowing you to immerse yourself into the storyline of games far better that previousilly thought possible.

These are only predictions, but if Nintendo, Microsoft, ans Sony keep following the path they are taking then I belive that this will happen. However, with that said, I heard that Sony was trying to patent a kind of virtual reality. If this could be done it would take their popularity and gameplay to a whole new level.

Towers

10-05-2006, 06:01 PM

Yes I know the whole Ninty and Sony were working together but the fact still remains that Sony released and CD games machine and Ninty went back to cartridges for the N64. So had Sony not been around the machine wouldn't of been released and chances are FF7 wouldn't of been half the game it was (Literally)

The fish

10-05-2006, 06:03 PM

Claiming a system is 4D is not just a little strange, it is an outright lie.
Not to mention false advertising, as well as FUCKING OUTRAGOUS.

For that reason alone people should not buy it.

seamus_aran

10-05-2006, 06:13 PM

I may think that Sony are idiots but I definately don't want M$ leading the games console industry. It will be the downfall of the industry - they have too many 'other interests'.

Fierce_LiNk

10-05-2006, 06:15 PM

I may think that Sony are idiots but I definately don't want M$ leading the games console industry. It will be the downfall of the industry - they have too many 'other interests'.

I think a future with Microsoft and Nintendo at the healm could eventually become a reality. They both cater for different types of market and rarely try to out-do each other. They can co-exist.

mario_jr

10-05-2006, 06:18 PM

I think a future with Microsoft and Nintendo at the healm could eventually become a reality. They both cater for different types of market and rarely try to out-do each other. They can co-exist.

Maybe even merge:shock:

Fierce_LiNk

10-05-2006, 06:22 PM

Maybe even merge:shock:

I don't know if i'd go that far.

Kurtle Squad

10-05-2006, 06:24 PM

I think EyeToy sucks anyway, though others think otherwise. I honestly can not make myself see anything good about it.

And then they say they don't do gimmicks.

Smiter

10-05-2006, 06:30 PM

With all the negative press, it is certainly a possibility that Sony could find themselves coming last in the upcoming console war. The key will certainly be in the marketing since not everyone is as clued up about gaming.

I used to dislike Microsoft, but I do respect them for working so hard on improving online gaming and the innovations they have made there.

Nintendo will always be close to my heart because of all their great games and their courage to rip up gaming conventions and rewrite them with the Wii and DS.

Sony... well, let's just say I have lost all respect for them. My PS2 is going to be the only Sony console I own. They have become far too arrogant, greedy and shameless.

rokhed00

10-05-2006, 06:37 PM

The key will certainly be in the marketing

That's the thing though, marketing is the one thing Sony are good at.

Smiter

10-05-2006, 06:41 PM

That's the thing though, marketing is the one thing Sony are good at.

Yeah, but they could find themselves handicapped by their high price. Hopefully. :) That is what happened to Sega once, and they never recovered.

Microsoft and Nintendo are no slouches when it comes to marketing either - we've seen the Wii hitting the mainstream press with very positive articles. If they can keep the pressure on Sony then they can beat it into second - or even last place.

I just hope Nintendo play their cards right.

Fierce_LiNk

10-05-2006, 06:42 PM

That's the thing though, marketing is the one thing Sony are good at.

Nintendo are starting to see how powerful a tool such as marketing can be. The DS has outgunned the PSP in many respects, and i believe that that includes marketing too. The PSP ads with the squirrels have been nothing short of abysmal.

mario_jr

10-05-2006, 06:53 PM

Nintendo are starting to see how powerful a tool such as marketing can be. The DS has outgunned the PSP in many respects, and i believe that that includes marketing too. The PSP ads with the squirrels have been nothing short of abysmal.

Especially with the brain age games. I was watching TV early on monday and flipping through channels, and "The View" was on, (its a show for stay at home mothers, news gossip and more its a talk show for women by women), and it went to commercial and its a commercial for the nintendo DS and Brian Age. I was like heh wow.:hehe:

triforce_keeper

10-05-2006, 06:54 PM

im hate sony so much now. Even more than i used too..... I respect M$ for expanding online gaming and such as smiter said. They havent copied or done anything wrong to the big N IMO.

MunKy

10-05-2006, 06:55 PM

Isnt PS3 Sony's last attempt at saving its electronics division? I heard they were making huge losses and were putting all hope into Blu-ray and PS3. lol I accidentally kept holding shift when I typed PS3 and I got this: PS£, seems more suitable to me.

Fierce_LiNk

10-05-2006, 06:57 PM

Isnt PS3 Sony's last attempt at saving its electronics division? I heard they were making huge losses and were putting all hope into Blu-ray and PS3. lol I accidentally kept hold shit when I typed PS3 and I got this: PS£, seems more suitable to me.

They'll probably end up making a loss on the PS3 as well.

mario_jr

10-05-2006, 07:07 PM

They'll probably end up making a loss on the PS3 as well.

Oh they will. They are going to lose major money on the PS3. They will make there money back with softwear.

Ysm

10-05-2006, 08:17 PM

Nintendo have really got the hang of marketing with the DS. I mean, they have been blitzing channel 4 on a friday night with marketing. Sponsoring Green Wing (a hospital based comedy for those who dont know) with Trauma Centre was fucking genius. There was also a TV show on channel 4 about problem pet dogs that they sponsored with Nintendogs. Now that is good marketing.

conzer16

10-05-2006, 08:59 PM

Oh they will. They are going to lose major money on the PS3. They will make there money back with softwear.

I think i read somewhere sony are planning on making a $100 million operating loss in their first year of shipping ps3's

AshMat

10-05-2006, 09:59 PM

I think i read somewhere sony are planning on making a $100 million operating loss in their first year of shipping ps3's
Sounds like a plan to me...

Calza

10-05-2006, 11:24 PM

I'm too getting pretty anoyyed, like how many people do you know who own a hd-tv (my gran) but she isn't going to be intrested yet their is two hdmi ports, why is anybody going to get two hd-tvs soley for PS3 as there would be no other point.

I think it was good that microsoft and nintendo didn't have hd-dvd or blu-ray as it just means that overall its cheaper to make so cheaper for us.

And isn't nintendo the only company to make a profit on their consoles? or is that just a fanboy rumour

Towers

10-05-2006, 11:30 PM

No I heard that was true Calza. Every other console maker sells their hardware at a loss other than Ninty

Jamba

11-05-2006, 01:00 PM

Just found this:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=16942

Looks like the information is true, it's just that they are trying to weavel out of it. Stupid Sony.

The fish

11-05-2006, 05:12 PM

Anyone who says their console is 4D is not to be trusted.
Or have any money given to them.

rokhed00

11-05-2006, 05:16 PM

Anyone who says their console is 4D is full of shit.

AFT

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

The fish

11-05-2006, 05:18 PM

Sorry, but I've had a memory blank...what does AFT mean?

rokhed00

11-05-2006, 05:58 PM

Sorry, but I've had a memory blank...what does AFT mean?

If you're a salior, behind you, but on the internet 'Altered For Truth'.

The fish

11-05-2006, 07:24 PM

Well it's not 4D is it!
The 4th dimension is time...

AshMat

11-05-2006, 07:42 PM

Did they actually say it was 4d? Waht bullshit if they did, what fucking 'tards

The fish

11-05-2006, 08:37 PM

They sure did!
Check the sony press confrence on Gamespot.
I don't know the exact moment, but I think they say it quite often.
Evil lying basteds.

Balfron

12-05-2006, 08:44 PM

I love how blind people on this forum can be. Did somebody in this thread really try to claim that it was Nintendo who thought of putting games on CDs?

MunKy

12-05-2006, 08:47 PM

Nintendo wanted to make a CD drive for the SNES but canned the idea. They were gonna make it with Philips or Sony or something. I forget the details. Im sure someone here knows.

ShadowV7

12-05-2006, 08:51 PM

I love how blind people on this forum can be. Did somebody in this thread really try to claim that it was Nintendo who thought of putting games on CDs?
I love how blind people think they didn't and firmly believe Sony did-especially when they can't think for themselves.Hey you fit in there :shock:

Mundi

12-05-2006, 08:55 PM

I love how blind people on this forum can be. Did somebody in this thread really try to claim that it was Nintendo who thought of putting games on CDs?

The playstation was originally a expansion on the N64 to play CD-Roms but the agreements blew up and Sony decided to enter the console market with the playstation

Stocka

12-05-2006, 10:26 PM

At TGS they announce STEREOSCOPIC MOTHER FUCKIN 3D!!!

Believe
They would do if Nintendo had revealed their final secret at E3

:heh:

Rigger_Mortis

13-05-2006, 12:46 AM

The conferrence was complete and utter bull, really so stupid I almost fell asleep too, I was one of the first to order a PS3 at 2 retailers but now I cancelled both. Not wasting money on that.

The PS3 could be 4d though not technicly (4th dimention is timespace not just time) if you see 4th d as time you could also see it as having games like ocerina of time or blinx the time detective (wich also stated it was 4d)
Ken might also have hinted at their own virtual console (yes another ripoff) wich is traveling back into time by playing older games so this whole 4d thing is relative and both Nintendo and Microsoft have this 4th dimention then.

P.S. Why is it that I see PSP's everywhere in the city (Rotterdam NL) and almost never NDS's? Is it maybe because PSP players show it as bling and DS gamers really game with their systems?

mario_jr

13-05-2006, 01:51 AM

I love how blind people on this forum can be. Did somebody in this thread really try to claim that it was Nintendo who thought of putting games on CDs?

I love how people try to put words in other peoples mouths.

Yeah they did "thought" about doing it, but no ever said they were the ones who "created" the technology to do it. It was the PC gaming industry who did that.

The fish

13-05-2006, 10:23 AM

The PS3 could be 4d though not technicly (4th dimention is timespace not just time)

No, the 4th dimension is time.
If you have the first 4 dimensions, then you have timespace.

Anyway, it's all bollacks.
There is no possible way their console can be 4D.
Not even at that price. ;)

Spread the word! Sony are lying bullshiters, trying to tell people their console is 4D. Tell people that it can't be 4D. Tell people not to buy it, even on that point alone (let alone the price...).
They should not be allowed to steal people's money by making bollocks claims that are, to anyone who knows their physics, total bullshit.

Don't let them get away with it!

Cube

13-05-2006, 11:18 AM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002990889_ethree13.html

Q: Do you think Sony copied Nintendo with its new controller?

A: (Laughs.) Actually before they made the announcement we already anticipated that they might do that, so I had to laugh. Even though I was laughing, it was with a grim face, I should add. (Laughs.)

The fish

13-05-2006, 11:24 AM

Nice.
Remember, spread the word, Sony are lying.
And they almost deffinetly know it.
(If they don't they are retarded.)

mario114

13-05-2006, 11:34 AM

You just know sony fanboys are goign to now say "our console does 4D and yours doesn't", in which case it's best to smile sweatly and slowly back away.

The fish

13-05-2006, 11:43 AM

You could just tell them that's bullshit, though...

Minlack

13-05-2006, 11:58 AM

You could just tell them that's bullshit, though...

Good luck with that :P

The fish

13-05-2006, 12:07 PM

It is bullshit!
The 4th dimension is time!
The PS3 is unable to travel through time!
In fact, the Wii is more "4D" than the PS3 is, as it can play loads of old games as well as new ones.

Cube

13-05-2006, 01:26 PM

It is bullshit!
The 4th dimension is time!
The PS3 is unable to travel through time!
In fact, the Wii is more "4D" than the PS3 is, as it can play loads of old games as well as new ones.

Remember, it isnt even a fact that the 4th Dimention is Time.

It's just one theory.

AshMat

13-05-2006, 01:33 PM

Maybe we should get Sony to explain what 4d is?

The fish

13-05-2006, 05:14 PM

Remember, it isnt even a fact that the 4th Dimention is Time.
It's just one theory.

Well, it seems time "is" so therefore it exists, and as after length, width, and depth there are no more manipulatable dimensions, time is the next one.

To cut along story short, Sony are morons.