Second controller as standard..

[Nintendork]

I strongly argued against Nintendo including 2 controllers with the system a week or so back.
I thought it was a ridiculous move and be unjusitified for all those people who want to play alone.

But I think now the name Wii has two i's and they've explained all this togetherness spiel.

I am starting to come to term with the idea.
Imagine one person has a Wii in their front room... *haze*

D00d: Hey what's that?
Dood: My Wii
D00d: Rad man, you've got 2 controllers.. wanna play?
Dood: Sure D00d
*haze of fun*

In the end, D00d buys a Wii for himself too, it comes with a second controller and hey presto.. just by sharing it with people that come into your house it opens up multiplay and just that 5 minute vs. match of Smash Bros. may be enough to make someone buy it.

Why make people come to the game store to try it out and understand the concept? You've got the greatest freaking marketting tool ever.

Wii in a base set of houses and it spawns with every person who plays it, loves it and buys it. Again and again.

*haze*

And you're back in the room.

My conclusion is Nintendo will add in a second controller despite the cost factor, and it will work in their advantage because everyone in the family will try it.. show their friends and it will spread like wildfire.

[ShadowV7]

That's a damn good theory you have.Give yourself a pat in the back:)

[kav82]

Not just tht but what about games that could require 2 controllers... drumming games, a punch out we've all been going on about... these should come too hopefully!

[demonmike04]

Not just tht but what about games that could require 2 controllers... drumming games, a punch out we've all been going on about... these should come too hopefully!
This is why i think the nun-chuck attachment will have motion sensors like the actual controller, so games which require 2 controls are already dealt with.

But 2 controllers would be cool to be packaged with the system.

[monkeyDluffy]

well samba del amigo would be taken care of.

[Smiter]

I like the theory. :) There does seem to be a good chance of having two controllers as standard now that Nintendo have focused on the social side of gaming.

If it had that, I would definitely drag people over for a game within 5 minutes of buying the console.

[Smowza]

so if it came with two Wii-motes then would it come with 2 nunchucks?

[Zero Seven]

so if it came with to Wii-motes then would it come with 2 nunchucks?

Very doubtful in my opinion, some games (or many depending if the Wii comes with 2 FHC's) will be using 2 FHC'S in their games but the games which would require the FHC and the nunchaku wouldnt need a second FHC I dont think because I would say the Analog would be essential in some way for the characters movement in some games (say MP3 for example)

(Edit: Wii-mote? Is that the name of the FHC's? or is this a fan name of some kind? this is new to me)

[Meo]

My conclusion is Nintendo will add in a second controller despite the cost factor, and it will work in their advantage because everyone in the family will try it.. show their friends and it will spread like wildfire.

It's an interesting theory, yes. Recently, in GDC, Iwata said that the Brain Age, before release, was initially distributed to the employees of NCL, so they could bring those copies home and show then to their family and friends. The word of those amazing games started to spread, and now, you can see the result of those words in sales charts.
A similar situation might happen with "Wii". They already said that people must try it to understand it. George Harrison said they were thinking of including a second remote.
And if the logo is any indication, it seems to point to plurality, of people, and controllers. So, it might happen, yes.

[Smowza]

Very doubtful in my opinion, some games (or many depending if the Wii comes with 2 FHC's) will be using 2 FHC'S in their games but the games which would require the FHC and the nunchaku wouldnt need a second FHC I dont think because I would say the Analog would be essential in some way for the characters movement in some games (say MP3 for example)

(Edit: Wii-mote? Is that the name of the FHC's? or is this a fan name of some kind? this is new to me)

so that would mean they would sell the nunchuck seperatley?

wii-mote is just fan made slang

[Kurtle Squad]

I think it's a decent idea getting an extra Wii-stick....It just seems right.

[Zero Seven]

so that would mean they would sell the nunchuck seperatley?

wii-mote is just fan made slang

Well if they do happen to sell 2 FHC's then the thought of selling the nunchaku with the console seems unlikely to me, however id love it for a nunchaku and 2 FHC's to be in the box with the Wii, I just doubt it tho.

[ShadowV7]

Getting an extra FHC make's a lot of sense though.

[Smowza]

suppose it might depend on if the're are gyro type things in the Wii-stick (i like that! it is another term for nunchuck right?) might be too expensive in that case

[Kurtle Squad]

I think it's just supposed to be the remote; BUT if you swing one end round it's kinda like "Wheeeeee!!"...So I guess it could be both.

However I prefer to call the nunchuck the not-so-FHC:heh:

[21st century cowboy]

I'm sure the nunchuck will not have the same movement sensors as the FHC. It's probably half the volume of the the FHC and it's an odd shape. Yes I believe 2 FHCs will come with the controller. It's a fact there would be a lot more games made with 2 FHCs in mind if it came with the system. Plus I think the yhe nunchuck will come included too but the shell will have to be bought seperately.

[triforcemario]

I think that the wii will include 2 wii-motes and two nun-chuks, but I don't think that the nun-chuks will have motion sensors. That would just bump up the cost a lot.

[Mokong X-C]

D00d: Hey what's that?
Dood: My Wii



At that point the first guy would have ran away more like:woops:

Sorry,

Seriously, that is a fine good theory and i hope it's true, it would mean not having to buy a second controller on day one seperatly and hopefully each will have the nun-chuck anolgue also.

[ndreamer]

i don't think it will happen adding a secound control whould add quite a bit of cost to the unit, i whould rather they include 1 controler, 1 nun-chuck, 1 shell for vnc games.

[Smowza]

i don't think it will happen adding a secound control whould add quite a bit of cost to the unit, i whould rather they include 1 controler, 1 nun-chuck, 1 shell for vnc games.

i'm inclined to agree with you there.

[The3rdChildren]

I'm sure the remotes won't be over £20 anyway.

[ndreamer]

evan if there cheap to make they still need to make back money from the R&D which was millions.
not sure how much £20 but considering the wavebird was $70(aud) it will be at least arround that mark and if it does have rumble features in both the controler and the nunchku it will need a non standed battery like the ds which adds a bit more cost.

[Nintendork]

It's hard to balance it really, we know we'll get at least 1 FHC and Nunchaku at launch, the shell will be a relatively cheap and easy to produce accesory because it's just buttons- all the power, chipsets and wireless tech is in the FHC which will slot in. It's not fair to compre it to the WaveBird as technology prices have declined somewhat.

It would be in Nintendo's interest to include the Shell so people take advatage of the back catalogue right away.. but not everyone has the internet. Which would make me lean more towards the shell not being included as standard.

Only about half the population have internet access last I heard.. that would mean Nintendo would be making a lot of people pay for a Shell which they might never use- It's already cheap and not unreasonable to expect people to pay for it on launch.

I think chances are higher that there will be 2 FHC and 1 or 2 Nunchaku in the box.

Putting a shell in the box shows: We're not confident our ideas can work.. this is just a backup.
By coming out with all FHC guns firing they show that this is something radical you've never seen before.

iPod cut out Firewire, Nintendo can cut out classic controllers.

They could come out with a load of packages- it's good business to offer packages and bundles.

[Tellyn]

The package could cost a lot more because remember we need the sensors aswell, unless all controllers react to one sensor which would be good.

[Nintendork]

TellyN one sesnsor works for 4 controllers and it doesn't compromise the size of your virtual workspace. Only the physical workspace of having 4 of you fighting on the sofa.

[conzer16]

I think its a damn good idea to put 2 fhc's in the package. If Nintendo's plan is join bring people together, there's no point in only having one remote with the console as that alienates the person who doesnt have a remote!

Wii - We

Nintendo want people to say "We're going to play nintendo" so more than one remote is needed.

[Emasher]

i read a news article about what was in the box it was actualy based on an interview and nintendo said they were considering a second controler and nunchuck.

if they do include one at least we wont have to spend an extra 50 bucks to waste our siblings in smash bros 3!

[DCK]

I hope they put in two controllers. It's a pretty realistic thought, too, as I think the cost factor isn't that big. The controllers shouldn't be that more expensive than a regular TV remote - besides maybe 'force feedback' there's nothing really costly about it. Bluetooth and battery packs (if at all) are becoming rather cheap and there's hardly any other circuitry in the casing as most if not all motion sensing is done by the sensor.

I think FHCs could be surprisingly cheap.

[Jamba]

There is absolutely no chance of they would miss out the nunchuck. I'm not saying there will be 2 but there will definitely be 1. Just look at the details for all of the release games, none of them are FHC only, bar Reggie's racing game.

[ShadowV7]

They've already said it will include a nun-chuck anyway.Likely 2 FHC and a Nun-chuck.

[glucoseaddict]

They've already said it will include a nun-chuck anyway.Likely 2 FHC and a Nun-chuck.
I would be really happy with this (2xFHC + Nun-chuck). I really hope it turns out this way!

[ShadowV7]

Yea, me to.Would make me reall happy and save money.Hope they say what's bundled at E3.I'm even excited about what they will bundle :heh:

[Kurtle Squad]

You guys have to realise that it doesn't matter THAT much if Nintendo make losses on the controllers. They get money for every game sold on the Wii (something around $5 for 3rd party games)

And they'll be making money on the System itself since not that much new technology has been added, appart from a graphics upgrade and a few otger bits (as far as we know so far anyway)

[Din]

It would make sense to include two FHC's with the Wii. The two ii's suggest that they are the FHC's so I would expect Nintendo to bundle in two controllers plus the analog attachment for each FHC.

If this was to happen then developers could create games that use both FHC and come up with some interesting and innovative games.

[Nintendork]

The benefit to loss ratio of including a second controller is immense.
Sony and Microsoft are shipping at a loss without that edge.. if anything Nintendo is pissing all over the contents of the competition's boxes.

By adding a second controller there is incentive to make use of it.. which increases sales- which multiplayer title will be there from launch that has multiplayer, and sells incredibly well? Smash Bros.

[kav82]

The benefit to loss ratio of including a second controller is immense.
Sony and Microsoft are shipping at a loss without that edge.. if anything Nintendo is pissing all over the contents of the competition's boxes.

By adding a second controller there is incentive to make use of it.. which increases sales- which multiplayer title will be there from launch that has multiplayer, and sells incredibly well? Smash Bros.

AFT. I couldn't agree any more with this, I think it's in their best interest to relsease Wii with 2 controllers as standard!

[Phube]

Would be cool with two, the only problem would be I'd want two different colours for my FHC's. Now this would end up with a ridiculous combination of boxes to fill.

I'd want a Black Wii, with one black FHC and one white one!!

[Charlie]

I don't think they will ship it will two FHC's. Why not? The harddrive is optional on the 360 this time because MS lost so much money on them last time, hardly anyone used it. It will be the same for Nintendo, they're trying to get everyone to use the online service, you only need 1 controller for that. Nintendo don't want to take the tabs on those spare controllers which might not be used. If the controllers were £25 and included the nun-chuck I would defintely buy an extra one at a launch and the people who only want 1 controller don't need to buy another one.

[DCK]

It would make them far more money to just put one FHC in the box, as everybody is going to buy multiple controllers for Super Smash Brothers Revolution (I still think that name owns for it).

[Hal_9Million]

If there are games which take advantage of the player using 2 FHC's then there will deffinately be 2 contollers in the box. I've been questioning for years why they've never done this before. Everyone knows that it's more fun to play with a friend than a computer. My mate was talking about fight night on the Xbox 360, and how cool it was. Instead of using buttons, you use the second analogue stick for punches. When Wii is realeased, I hope that it demonstrates how it will defeat the task much better.

[Charlie]

If there are games which take advantage of the player using 2 FHC's then there will deffinately be 2 contollers in the box. I've been questioning for years why they've never done this before. Everyone knows that it's more fun to play with a friend than a computer. My mate was talking about fight night on the Xbox 360, and how cool it was. Instead of using buttons, you use the second analogue stick for punches. When Wii is realeased, I hope that it demonstrates how it will defeat the task much better.

Money, only reason. They lose money if they put an extra controller in and gain money if someone buys it seperately.

[ShadowV7]

Might be because a lot of the launch title's will use 2 FHC but since it's only bundled with one people won't rally buy other developers games which will affect the sales and support,so to combat this they can add an extra FHC.