Tony Hawks Downhill Jam: Rev EXCLUSIVE!!

[Retro_Link]

http://www.cubed3.com/news/4971

When it was announced that the next version of the Tony Hawk's franchise would be called 'Downhill Jam' and was coming to the Nintendo Revolution, many just presumed it was a multi-format release. However, Nintendo Power's April edition has confirmed that Activision is actually bringing the game exclusively to the Nintendo DS and Revolution. The home console version of the game is set to work using the functionality of the Revolution's unique controller. Therefore, gamers will be able to use the motion sensors to move around, tilting and turning at race along without the need to press ANY buttons! However, to perform combination moves the buttons will eventually become a necessity.

Developed by Toys for Bob, Downhill Jam will feature a four-player split-screen mode, eight new racers, eight brand new levels based on real locations and a boost meter that is activated by actually pushing the controller forward. Activision is once more on-board with Nintendo, after releasing a wonderful port of Tony Hawks 2 on the GBA at launch and bringing one of the first Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection compatible games to the Nintendo DS...and now it appears to be providing exclusive content once more. With any luck this should definitely hit during the launch window period, although this will likely be confirmed one way or the other at E3 in May.
Awesome news!! sounds like a fantastic EXCLUSIVE game from Activision!!

[ShadowV7]

Great new's and a Tony Hawk's exclusive.Sweet.

[Patch]

Yes!!! I love the Tony Hawk games. I will almost definitely be getting this.

Maybe ollying and grinding are done with motions of the controller too. Sweet indeed!

[kav82]

April issue of the mag you say?

Just a bit of scepticism! haha

[DiemetriX]

Great :yay: Thers still some hardcore THPS fans outthere ;) Now they have to buy a revolution. If the game is good :p

[monkeyDluffy]

so it sounds like its gonna be like SSX but for skate boarding, with the FHC, sounds cool!

[ultrajamie]

great... spongebob and tony hawks. and tony hawks hasn't even been made by neversoft who usually make it.

epoch-making system sellers all round today eh?

(caution: post may contain sarcasm)

[Jamba]

You know those finder boards things? It's gonna be like playing with one of those but with the FHC... hehe....

[Retro_Link]

Just found out there was a level in Tony Hawks Pro Skater called;

'Downhill Jam - Phoenix'

http://www.thps-warehouse.net/img/thug2/downhilljam_small.png

http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/13716/images/DownhillJamMarked_sm.jpg

For a short video of the level called 'down the slope' follow this link;
http://uk.media.dreamcast.ign.com/media/013/013716/vids_3.html

The levels in Tony Hawks Downhill Jam will probably be just like this; only much better as it's a next-gen game and will use the 'Revmote'!

[Owen]

Superb! Love Tony Hawk games and this will be much more innovative!

[21st century cowboy]

Definately only going to be using the FHC then.

I haven't bought this in years.... still don't think I'll be picking it up.

[Nintendork]

Exclusive doesn't mean better than the PS3 or 360 version.
It means nothing to me.. I'm guessing this game is gonna suck balls.

[Hellfire]

Exclusive doesn't mean better than the PS3 or 360 version.
It means nothing to me.. I'm guessing this game is gonna suck balls.
:indeed:
I love a good laugh.

[Fierce_LiNk]

I picked up Tony Hawks American Sk8land for the DS, and i thoroughly enjoyed it. Also great use of the DS's capabilities, as well as a damn good game. If this game turns out to be better, then we could be in for a real treat here.

[Nintendork]

I've played 1-4, I probably wouldn't buy it even if it was a straight port of whatever classic Tony Hawks they're doing for the PS3/xbox.

My guess is they want to take the 'classic' Tony Hawks and they want to engineer an entire city, huge environments of skateable stuff like in GTA.

I assume the Revolution can't handle their aspirations, so they're going to do something different for the Revolution and make it exclusive and use the controller.

I am bored of the series in general.. Tony is milking it a little now and he said in an interview he'd stop after the 5th game because it was getting a bit repetitive.

I'm more interested in SSX really.. that's my kinda game.

[ShadowV7]

Haha no it doesn't mean it's better, but it mean's good support.They won't give a damn if you don't care when it will mean something for other people.

[Nintendork]

I know a lot of people who like Tony Hawk games, they keep buying them because it doesn't change.. they just like to be able to skate.
That's why the series has been such a success.. because it just works on so many levels- the control scheme, it's fresh and simple. The soundtrack, branding and endorsement- everything was great about it.

I think changing the formula in such a drastic way could be fatal for the series.. I'm assuming it's going to beabout downhill skateboarding

Also another side note, when Tony Hawks 3 came out it was launched on the PS2 and PS1, the PS2 version had similar levels but the last level was a bonus for people.
The PS2 version bonus was a huge level on a ship, it was wicked
The PS1 version bonus was a downhill skateboard level, because the hardware couldn't handle the ship.

[Fierce_LiNk]

I've played 1-4, I probably wouldn't buy it even if it was a straight port of whatever classic Tony Hawks they're doing for the PS3/xbox.

My guess is they want to take the 'classic' Tony Hawks and they want to engineer an entire city, huge environments of skateable stuff like in GTA.

I assume the Revolution can't handle their aspirations, so they're going to do something different for the Revolution and make it exclusive and use the controller.

I am bored of the series in general.. Tony is milking it a little now and he said in an interview he'd stop after the 5th game because it was getting a bit repetitive.

I'm more interested in SSX really.. that's my kinda game.

Have you played American Sk8land on the DS?

[Nintendork]

Nah, I wouldn't want to play it on the DS, graphics looks pretty kack in the adverts.

Difference is the DS follows the similar control scheme of the PS1/2.

I dunno it Revolution's controller will be adopted by the mass market who are so used to playing Tony Hawks that way. If they do use it.

It should be noted that in America more kids skate than play Baseball- skaters are a driving force for the sales of these games.
I know some people who don't skate enjoy them but there are a hell of a lot of skaters out there.

I really consider the control scheme to be one of the pioneering features of the game.. and definitely a reason why it is still popular..

[DCK]

Holy crap :shock::shock::shock:

That's the game I least expected to go exclusive...

What's happened to Activision?

[Konfucius]

Very good news, this could be the first Tony Hawks game I bought in years. I actually never really liked all the button combinations and it got more and more complicated with every incarnation (played 1,2,3) but controlling it solely with the FHC is kind of tempting.

[Cubechris]

Holy crap :shock::shock::shock:

That's the game I least expected to go exclusive...

What's happened to Activision?

They had a launch game for the GBA, an exclusive DS title, beeing one of the first to use Wi-FI, supported the Gamecube with every TH release.

Whats the shock?

[solitanze]

Really an exclusive, NO PORTS OF THIS GAME WHATSOEVER?

I hope not, I want this game to be exclusive, the Tony Hawk games look quite good, but haven't purchased because I don't like purchasing multi platform games. The only one I have is Tiger Woods PGA Tour, due to the Game Face create a character, customisation that is still isn't surpassed by another game, if there is, let me know, i'm a big fan of customisation of characters, it puts Sims 2 to shame...

[DiemetriX]

The Ds version was really well made and was a lot better than expected. I think this game has alot of potential. Lets hope they don't make us throw the FHC around.

[Hellfire]

I doubt revo can't handle a tony hawk 360/ps3 ports, tony hawks never push hardware by the slightest. But the series really needs a fresh start, things are starting to get boring.

[DCK]

I doubt revo can't handle a tony hawk 360/ps3 ports, tony hawks never push hardware by the slightest. But the series really needs a fresh start, things are starting to get boring.
It won't handle it. Like I said before the 360 and PS3 are multithreaded (the Rev isn't), shader intensive (the Revolution still uses 1990s technology) high-definition consoles AND they are far more powerful. Anything made for the 360/PS3 architectures in mind would be incredibly hard to run even if it was as powerful, so I doubt we'll see many ports.

[Hellfire]

It won't handle it. Like I said before the 360 and PS3 are multithreaded (the Rev isn't), shader intensive (the Revolution still uses 1990s technology) high-definition consoles AND they are far more powerful. Anything made for the 360/PS3 architectures in mind would be incredibly hard to run even if it was as powerful, so I doubt we'll see many ports.
And you know this, because you have insider contacts right? If you read my post, I said Tony Hawk games hardly push the hardware, so if they keep the trend ports wont be a problem. I can play Diablo on my AMD 64 3,5 and that doesn't mean I can't play it on a AMD 1,0. A lot of 360 tech isn't even being used, because it raises cost and difficulty of programming and HD is just a matter of downsizing textures. Of course that some ports will be difficult to make, but some people are taking exagerated conclusions based on an IGN rumour.
Again, I'm not saying it will be a powerhouse, but let's not take it to extremes.

[DCK]

And you know this, because you have insider contacts right? If you read my post, I said Tony Hawk games hardly push the hardware, so if they keep the trend ports wont be a problem. I can play Diablo on my AMD 64 3,5 and that doesn't mean I can't play it on a AMD 1,0. A lot of 360 tech isn't even being used, because it raises cost and difficulty of programming and HD is just a matter of downsizing textures. Of course that some ports will be difficult to make, but some people are taking exagerated conclusions based on an IGN rumour.
Again, I'm not saying it will be a powerhouse, but let's not take it to extremes.
Problem is, that the the PS3 and 360 are extremes. They are so different and so much more powerful that it won't happen. Comparing it to the PC is comparing apples to oranges. You're underestimating the power of the console and overestimating the Revolution.

I've no doubt the Revolution is more powerful than the IGN specs, but that doesn't mean it can handle 360 ports. Try porting Sonic Adventure (which didn't really push the Dreamcast either) to the Nintendo 64, nobody can do that.

Sorry if you think I'm too negative again, but if the specs don't change dramatically (which they won't), it will be incredibly difficult to port the games. So difficult we may only see games that are built for the Revolution from the ground up.

[Nintendork]

Tony Hawk: Downhill Jam details for Revolution: The game is an exclusive for Nintendo Revolution and DS. “…By using the Revolution controller’s motion-sensitivity, racers will be able to turn and boost without touching a button. The game will also feature button combinations to pull off tricks that recall the controls for the Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater and Tony Hawk’s Underground titles…” A full feature with screenshots and more details will be available in the July Issue. The game is developed by Toy for Bob and published by Activision. Four Player Split-Screen multiplayer feature. Eight new racers. Eight huge environments are real-world locations (includes Machu Picchu). They also mentioned a bunch of other shit that was already rumbling- Monkey Ball, SpongeBob, Yoot Sait, Castlevania..and basically everyone going "when the time has come"

All sounds pretty poor to me, but I'll still give them the time of day when they're talking about it at E3.

[Hellfire]

On the other hand, we have Xbox ports in 360, which is the opposite of what we're talking about, but it shows that difference in power is not that big of an issue when it comes to porting. I doubt the difference will be as big as n64-dreamcast.
Again, we're just speculating based on nothing, so let's just wait for more news before we start ripping each other appart ;)

[DCK]

On the other hand, we have Xbox ports in 360, which is the opposite of what we're talking about, but it shows that difference in power is not that big of an issue when it comes to porting. I doubt the difference will be as big as n64-dreamcast.
Again, we're just speculating based on nothing, so let's just wait for more news before we start ripping each other appart ;)
Yeah, you're probably right :indeed:

The Xbox ports look pretty crap though - forward porting is much easier :heh:

[Nintendork]

This is why Revolution is getting an exclusive title:

FREAKING HELL OMG TONY HAWKS LOOKS SO AWESOME OOOOOO SHINY NEXT GEN FOOTAGE (http://gaming-age.com/news/2006/4/29-66)

Because Revolution won't be able to handle that for shizzle.
To people who say: that footage could be from Downhill Jam
I say: Pfft, we've seen DS screen of DownHill jam and it's clearly going to be a downhill skateboarding game with second class graphics.

I will be buying the 'true blood' version of Tony Hawks, it is your opinion which you prefer.. graphics or gameplay- I know I've made my mind up and I don't consider it to be a shallow decision at all.

Just look at the physics and lighting!!

[DCK]

That's the reason for it being exclusive. They'll probably rework the THAW engine for the Rev and go all wow for the PS3 and 360.

Nice to see you can judge within half a second Nintendork. Of course when a test looks like this the entire game cannot be worse and therefore is already your buy, end of discussion. Right...

[Nintendork]

16 and a half seconds actually ;) I had been after one for a while anyway.. the Motor Strom pictures that leaked last week didn't do it much justice and I didn't trust anything that they showed at E3 as 'in game'

This clearly is in game and has made the decision for me.

[21st century cowboy]

It looks very realistic. I don't think we can tell by the layout of the area in this video weather it is downhill jam or not but I'd be suprised if Wii can produce these sort of graphics.

[ShadowV7]

Does look pretty realistic though.Detail on the clothing is good aswell.

[EchoDesiato]

1. That footage doesn't look real.
2. Wii wouldn't be able to produce such graphical power.

[Nintendork]

Echo, why doesn't it look real? It's totally Tony Hawk's style.. the HUD while lacking is clearly Neversoft style, the camera angle echos that of every other Tony Hawks game perfectly and it would benefit nobody to fake it? It's too low profile.

[ShadowV7]

First thought I had was I thought it was fake aswell.Just looked quite shiny and graphically it wasn't very detailed.

[Owen]

1. That footage doesn't look real.
2. Wii wouldn't be able to produce such graphical power.

I think it's real. Now i know it's not a final build of the game.

It looks very good! Espicially the skater and i'm sure alot of people would be dissapointed if the Wii couldn't produce graphics like that.

:)

[EchoDesiato]

I think it doesn't look real because the environment isn't very detailed, it's looks a bit bland. But I suppose you could say it's just a beta environment or something, so just forget I said anything.

[asumoth]

I dont think this is a video of someone playing. It looks more like a showoff movie to show what it can handle. cuzz if the area's you go trough looks like this it would be damn boring. But i doubt it that this is for wii. I hoop so tho:hmm:

[goku21]

Ohh DCK... do you really believe that 360 is so powerfull?
3x3,2GHz is just marketing, get it!!!!! Those 3 cores are together as big as a 1-core-P4...you see where I´m coming from? This in-order-hardware-bullshit is so overrated, that I bet an athlonFX, which you can buy now is even more powerfull than those tiny dwongraded 360-cores...
But as we can see MS-marketing worked great on you!!!!
Multithreading - meh!!!!!
In-order-programming - please no!!!!!

[zoramon089]

I've played 1-4, I probably wouldn't buy it even if it was a straight port of whatever classic Tony Hawks they're doing for the PS3/xbox.

My guess is they want to take the 'classic' Tony Hawks and they want to engineer an entire city, huge environments of skateable stuff like in GTA.

I assume the Revolution can't handle their aspirations, so they're going to do something different for the Revolution and make it exclusive and use the controller.

I am bored of the series in general.. Tony is milking it a little now and he said in an interview he'd stop after the 5th game because it was getting a bit repetitive.

I'm more interested in SSX really.. that's my kinda game.

Umm, they already did this, it was called Underground and American Wasteland...It's really not a matter of power. I think they're just reverting back to the old games style of "levels" which IMO was better an each one had it's own flair and style to it

[Nintendork]

They were just riding the popularity of Bam Margera on Jackass.

[AshMat]

I preffered THUG and THAW to the origionals, but you could still play missions on THAW so it's still there if people want to play it...

[Fierce_LiNk]

Hang on a second, Nintendork. First, you slate Tony Hawk's games for being too similar to each other.

I am bored of the series in general.. Tony is milking it a little now and he said in an interview he'd stop after the 5th game because it was getting a bit repetitive.


Then, you go on to say that you don't want Downhill Jam before we even see any information about the Wii version. So, you're bored of the series but don't want to look at alternative look to skateboarding? Make up your mind.


And then, you go on to praise this new video flying around which basically is just a graphics update.
I'm confused.

[Smiter]

I'm still 50/50 on the video. It could be an early test or a very good fake. But I'll wait for E3.

I honestly think it's no good trying to say what Wii can and cannot handle. Hell, the insides of the console are top secret and all we have are rumours, guessimates and vague comments (as well as scans of Red Steel screenshots which some people doubt are actually in-game).

I think it's best to save the 360 vs PS3 vs Wii graphics arguments until after we ACTUALLY SEE in-game videos and playable demonstrations of Wii games at E3. Otherwise it's all just hot air. Especially the "1990s technology" comment - where did Nintendo say that? :p Hello, this is 2006. Nintendo might use something a couple of years old at the oldest, but last decade!? :laughing:

[ndreamer]

it's just a test model and there doesn't seem to be that much special about it. wow it's got lighting, decent textures and shadowing but it's nothing that you havent seen before.

[DCK]

Ohh DCK... do you really believe that 360 is so powerfull?
3x3,2GHz is just marketing, get it!!!!! Those 3 cores are together as big as a 1-core-P4...you see where I´m coming from? This in-order-hardware-bullshit is so overrated, that I bet an athlonFX, which you can buy now is even more powerfull than those tiny dwongraded 360-cores...
But as we can see MS-marketing worked great on you!!!!
Multithreading - meh!!!!!
In-order-programming - please no!!!!!
Clearly all pro-Nintendo marketing has worked on you too. You see, the CPU is not as powerful as Microsoft seems to suggest, but it's still a beast when programmed carefully. It easily outperforms any Pentium D or Athlon 64 when programmers get it working alright - a PowerPC does generally better at games anyway because of supreme floating point performance. The CPU doesn't make the graphics however, the GPU does. The Xbox 360 has an incredibly powerful graphics processor, far, far beyond the reach of the Wii.

And please learn to type. And don't pretend you know it all, because you don't.

[Nintendork]

And don't pretend you know it all, because you don't.
Statements like these should be backed up with hard evidence really.

For example:
you don't- because i said so.

[Charlie]

http://uk.revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705453p1.html

IGN have had an interview with the creators.

-They want it to be a new franchise, will be making sequels
-Hold the controller like the NES controller, d-pad under your thumb. D-pad for trick variations, a+b for jumps etc, the button under the controller for grabs
-Tilt the controller to turn

[Pit-Jr]

I like the concept art, is that guy skating down the great wall of china?

But more importantly. i see Tranzor Z in the background of the interview. Make that into a videogame, creepy Activision guy!

[Nintendork]

Hahahahahaha, yeah it is the great wall of China, I don't think this series will be succesful enough for them to warrant a sequel.

What baffles me is, what the hell is Activision doing? Are they taking a defensive stance to their first Wii title by pumping out a cheap game or are they risking money by spending more on a new team to create a new game engine etc..?

Tony Hawks classic just wouldn't have worked on the systems new controller that's for sure.. I just can't see this being a success.

There's barely anything to do with skateboarding.

Toys for Bob? Is this their first game or what?

I'd say it's a watered down carbon copy of SSX and Jet Set Radio.. both in their own admirable games, but I won't be buying this.

As a skater it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest, the fact that at the end he has to say "we will be making franchises.."
You can hear in his voice that it's quivering a little perhaps with uncertaintly.

Call me shallow but I liked the authenticity of the original Tony Hawks, the brand endorsements, the soundtrack.. from the concept art the only branding I saw was Tony Hawks shoe company logo and the Birdhouse logo- both Tony Hawks brands.

The control scheme sounds do-able, but not natural. I'd say it's going to be a typical launch title.

[Pit-Jr]

Call me shallow

Your shallow

[Nintendork]

Skaters

Tony Hawk
Bob Burnquist
Steve Caballero
Kareem Campbell
Rune Glifberg
Eric Koston
Bucky Lasek
Rodney Mullen
Chad Muska
Andrew Reynolds
Geoff Rowley
Elissa Steamer
Jamie Thomas
[edit]
Secret Skaters

Officer Dick
Private Carrera
Spider-Man
80's Tony Hawk
[edit]
Levels

Hangar, Mullet Falls, Montana
School, Southern California
Marseille, France*
New York, New York
Venice Beach, California
Skatestreet (Ventura, California)*
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Bullring, Mexico
Hidden Levels

Skate Heaven
Hoffman Bike Headquarters (N64 only)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater levels (Xbox only)
Hawaii Chopper Drop
Downhill Jam: Phoenix, AZ (From Tony Hawk's Pro Skater)
Skate Park, Chicago (From Tony Hawk's Pro Skater)
Warehouse: Woodland Hills, CA (From Tony Hawk's Pro Skater)

Soundtrack

Papa Roach-"Blood Brothers"
Anthrax f/ Public Enemy-"Bring the Noise"
Rage Against the Machine-"Guerilla Radio"
Naughty by Nature-"Pin the Tail on the Donkey"
Bad Religion-"You"
Powerman 5000 - "When Worlds Collide"
Millencolin - "No Cigar"
The High and Mighty f/ Mos Def - "B-Boy Document '99"
Dub Pistols - "Cyclone"
Lagwagon - "May 16th"
Styles of Beyond - "Subculture"
Consumed- "Heavy Metal Winner"
Fu Manchu - "Evil Eye"
Alley Life f/ Black Planet - "Out With the Old"
Swingin' Utters - "Five Lessons Learned"

All reasons why this game rocked and Downhill Jam will not.. For a start the spokesperson in the IGN video expressed little to no expertise with regard to skateboarding.
I think the game is a product of a series of suits sitting in an office thinking about how they can make the most money from this console with the smallest investment risk possible.

I could be wrong but I don't think this series will be to skateboarding what SSX did for the snowboard genre.

[pedrocasilva]

Clearly all pro-Nintendo marketing has worked on you too. You see, the CPU is not as powerful as Microsoft seems to suggest, but it's still a beast when programmed carefully. It easily outperforms any Pentium D or Athlon 64 when programmers get it working alright - a PowerPC does generally better at games anyway because of supreme floating point performance. The CPU doesn't make the graphics however, the GPU does. The Xbox 360 has an incredibly powerful graphics processor, far, far beyond the reach of the Wii.

And please learn to type. And don't pretend you know it all, because you don't.the real-world performance of the Xenon CPU is about twice that of the 733MHz processor in the first Xbox.A 1 MB L2 cache like in Xbox360 may only have a miss rate of around 5%, but that 5% can translate to an average CPI cost of some 26 cycles. In layman’s terms... that’s extremely bad. It means that if you’re not careful, single-threaded performance on PS3 or Xenon could be outpaced by that of a Dreamcast.Source: http://psinext.e-mpire.com/index.php?categoryid=4&m_articles_articleid=153

get over it... it's not "pro-nintendo" marketing since they never went that way of "we're the most powerful console"... Microsoft did; saying Xbox was 3 times more powerful than anything in the market... also they never explained how a Geforce 3 with just one extra shader had 50 million RAW polygons more in performance (which were clearly fake).

Also that's taken from a Playstation site, with a article from anandtech so you can't call them biased towards Nintendo... infact the article is not that good for PS3 either... those CPU's have weak general purpose performance... Wii can match that.

They are powerful in fillrate, but... in Xenon's case... it's only like... 20% better than a Pentium 4 at the same speed (3,2 GHz) who outputs something like 3,6 Gigaflops... now... PS2 Emotion engine outputs 6,2 Gigaflops ;) for Gflops you have the GPU (which PS2 lacks). Anyway there's no way it eats AMD64's for breakfast, you have some advantage for the multithread but not all games will use it... infact none uses it yet, as it takes a lot of time to implement. there's dual cores on the market already and those, should give Xenon a run for it's money.

As for the diference in GPU's you simply don't know... sure it won't be as good on paper, but one will work at 480p and the other won't work under 720p...

[Hellfire]

I hope they make a normal TH, don't why not, but it's good to see them taking this in a new direction, because Tony Hawk needs it. ANd besides, this is just like SSX, but with skates.

[dazzybee]

I don't think this series will be succesful enough for them to warrant a sequel.

Are they taking a defensive stance to their first Wii title by pumping out a cheap game ..?

Tony Hawks classic just wouldn't have worked on the systems new controller that's for sure.. I just can't see this being a success.

There's barely anything to do with skateboarding.

I'd say it's a watered down carbon copy of SSX and Jet Set Radio

Mate mate mate, are you real? You make these statments, like they're facts! Why do you think you know everything? Practice what you preach

"Statements like these should be backed up with hard evidence really."

[Pit-Jr]

Skaters

Tony Hawk
Bob Burnquist
Steve Caballero
Kareem Campbell
Rune Glifberg
Eric Koston
Bucky Lasek
Rodney Mullen
Chad Muska
Andrew Reynolds
Geoff Rowley
Elissa Steamer
Jamie Thomas

Soundtrack

Papa Roach-"Blood Brothers"
Anthrax f/ Public Enemy-"Bring the Noise"
Rage Against the Machine-"Guerilla Radio"
Naughty by Nature-"Pin the Tail on the Donkey"
Bad Religion-"You"
Powerman 5000 - "When Worlds Collide"
Millencolin - "No Cigar"
The High and Mighty f/ Mos Def - "B-Boy Document '99"
Dub Pistols - "Cyclone"
Lagwagon - "May 16th"
Styles of Beyond - "Subculture"
Consumed- "Heavy Metal Winner"
Fu Manchu - "Evil Eye"
Alley Life f/ Black Planet - "Out With the Old"
Swingin' Utters - "Five Lessons Learned"

All reasons why this game rocked and Downhill Jam will not..

Finally! My lifelong dream of skating as Elissa Steamer against a Naughty by Nature soundtrack will come to fruition

[Nintendork]

Dazzybee, first of all that quote was taking the piss- statements like these should be based on hard evidence.. then the next line was "eg because I said so" you must be American, it's okay they don't get sarcasm.

My post opened with "I don't think" which indicates opinion.

The next bit was a rhetorical question, that also isn't me stating a fact.

The next bit is fact, and the video even admitted that- Tony Hawks is a button intensive game and the Wii FHC doesn't have that.

The last bit is opinion "I'd say" I feel the game has been influenced by the games Jet Set Radio and SSX from the concept art.

So.. erm, yeah. Don't call me mate.

[dazzybee]

Nintendork why do you have to act like a pr!ck? You are so arrogant and patronising, its no surprise that more and more comments are made against you saying similar things.

As for your 'comebacks', well they are insightful as your opionions, How can you 'think' the series won't be succesful enough to warrant a sequel? Why are they pumping out a cheap game? How is a game were you ride a skateboard and we know nothing about be 'barely about skateboarding'? How is it a watered down copy of SSX or Jet Set Radio? Stop making these wild statements with no intelligent reasoning - it makes you look bad!! Overly negative, like you know everything, its just beginnining to grate to be honest.

[DCK]

@ Pedro: Not to wander of in yet another techie discussion, but that article really focuses on the bad points of the consoles. I'll hand it to you they really are nowhere near as powerful as some claims by MS and Sony, but they are more powerful than portrayed in that article. The article was meant to tone down the marketing BS, but really there's a lot more to the consoles than presented there.

On-topic: It's a shame about this being half a racer, but like Nintendork said - Tony Hawk needs buttons.

[dazzybee]

SO what about the 'shell'? Couldnt they have just used that for the extra buttons? I just think they wanted to do something new with the franchise and I appluad them for that.

[Nintendork]

It has nothing authentic to do with skateboarding because anyone who has tried downhill skateboarding (myself included) knows that using a short board is impossible at high speeds because you get speed wobble. Sure if you take it as literally about skateboarding then yes, it is based on a skateboard.

You have to use professional equipment.

http://www.thrillseekersunlimited.com/images/1daypackage/image020b.jpg
http://www.gravityspain.com/Competicion/Carreras/almabtrieb05/140_4061.JPG

There is no skill or style in downhill skateboarding, it is entirely about speed. and watered down copies of SSX and Jet Set Radio isn't such a bad thing- both of those games on their own stand up as modern classics.

Watered down means drawing influences but adding nothing original.

SSX took snowboarding, then added speed boosts and crazy tricks, Jet Set Radio took skating and added grafiti.

What does downhill jam offer? nothing pioneering. If they want to build a series on that they're gonna have to work hard.

"Why are they pumping out a cheap game?" you didn't even read my post, it's just an unfounded attack which I won't honour with a response.

What baffles me is, what the hell is Activision doing? Are they taking a defensive stance to their first Wii title by pumping out a cheap game or are they risking money by spending more on a new team to create a new game engine etc..?

What I did hear is create a discussion point as to what Activision is trying to do here.. I am not sure, which I why I proposed 2 options.
Cheap game?
or is it more of a risk they are taking investing in a new series on a new system with new engine etc..?

Again this was a question to the readers of the thread, I want to know their thoughts on what Activision is doing. Can you see the question mark dazzybee? I'll bold it for you and underline it.

It isn't a wild statement.

Back on topic then hey?

[pedrocasilva]

@ Pedro: Not to wander of in yet another techie discussion, but that article really focuses on the bad points of the consoles. I'll hand it to you they really are nowhere near as powerful as some claims by MS and Sony, but they are more powerful than portrayed in that article. The article was meant to tone down the marketing BS, but really there's a lot more to the consoles than presented there.

On-topic: It's a shame about this being half a racer, but like Nintendork said - Tony Hawk needs buttons.well, they are not focussing were the systems are good... but that would be bandwidth and fill rate... other than that... they are not exagerating, a lot of developers complained about Xbox 360 CPU... hey, I know the systems, Xbox 360 is powerful, but xenon doesn't perform better in anything compared to a pentium D or Athlon FX (considering dual cores), well only in fill rate... but... it's not a powerhouse... I think it's kinda like Xbox1 was compared to a Pc when it came out... it has the advantage of being a closed platform so it'll get better and better, but that's it.

but yeah, let's not wander into a tech discussion on this thread, I was just concluding that and won't push further on the matter...

On the matter about the topic... I know nothing about skating and don't recall having played tony hawk ever... so I really can't contribute on that, but I want to see the graphics and the interview they gave IGN was very interesting I liked how he explained the "grab" thing, with the Z button on the FHC.

[Hellfire]

I think the game could be good if done right, mixing racing with tricks to gain points and stuff might be good. I know that you hate everything and since you appear to be a skateboard fan it's natural that you dislike this genre, but it does have a chance.

[HXC]

Shame its by the people who made the decidedly average Death Jr.

[Sixfold01]

you must be American, it's okay they don't get sarcasm.

I find that offensive Mr. Predjudist-face...

Then aaaagain, you are Nintendork and everyone in the forums get mad at you for your craziness, so I'll just stay quiet and accept your mean little comment.

[Nintendork]

Awww <3 I'm sorry.
I take that back genuinely.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1200000/images/_1201949_jackson150kid.jpg

[Jamba]

I don't follow 'Dork's view. I really look forward to getting a hands-on with this as I think it has the potential to be something interesting. I think there is another reason why it's downhill though. To do the tricks in the regular THPS games you have to be mashing some serious buttons sometimes and I just don't think that work with teh Wii controller as it will be difficult to flick the controller around so fast.

I see this as being more of a Trickstyle kind of game (not that that was great) but as long as it has complicated track constructions lik SSX3 then I'm already smiling. Also I don't mind them going for a more stylised look cos it's great for movement at speed, just like in JSR. I don't care if this is nothing like THPS because I just want it to be fun.

[system_error]

Alright don't get me wrong maybe I am just tired but those screens are not from the Wii version I hope. They don't even look like beta screenshots from graphics quality - even worse than Gamecube and I guess some DS games look better.

(I just wrote so much because "MEH" would be under 15 character limit)

http://www.e3insider.com/_media/?type=image&format=fullSize&source=gp_Grind_chase_in_Machu_Picchu.jpg

http://www.e3insider.com/images/?type=screenpax&articleID=2QF45JF4HA

[conzer16]

I sincerley hope they arent from Wii..............oh dear if they are

[system_error]

To be honest I fear they are really from the Wii version. Not even games at alpha stage must look so horrible. Low polygon models, no shadows, extrem ugly textures, non existant lightning.

I really hope that game is the exception because 6 months are not enough to make that game look like it could be for the Gamecube in my eyes. Developers should have it much more easier to make pretty graphics fast and then focus more on gameplay.

Even if the gameplay is heaven on earth that game will never get into the slot of my Wii :D

So much for my hopes that UE 3.0 will run on Wii.

If that is Activisions work they should get all their games and sell sand in the Sahara.

[conzer16]

I agree with you SE.......look what it says underneath the selection of pics.....

Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam by Activision for Wii


oh deary me......

[James McGeachie]

There only are 2 versions of Downhill Jam, DS and Wii and the DS CANNOT do texture filtering, these are Wii screens....Wii EXCLUSIVE screens, no port from current gen.

I'm starting to get it now, when developers make exclusive Wii versions of their franchises, it'll be with cheap small development teams who can only work at low level. This looks like an n64 game, which is hilarious, but hopefully it'll improve. Those screens are actually a bit higher than the game resolution so they might not be quite representative. At least the draw distance is decent though.

[/ nando /]

..Tony Hawks has never been renowned for its amazing graphics though.. has it? ..and I know many gamecube games have looked better than that but its only screenshots of one unfinished game so I'm not gonna worry or cry about the graphics :P ..it might be really fun to play, so who cares if it looks like dog food.. after its been through a dog..

[Owen]

I find that offensive Mr. Predjudist-face...

Then aaaagain, you are Nintendork and everyone in the forums get mad at you for your craziness, so I'll just stay quiet and accept your mean little comment.

I like Americans! :)

Did i hear someone say screenshots? Has anyone got any screenshots of this game?

[James McGeachie]

http://www.e3insider.com/_media/?type=image&format=fullSize&source=gp_Launching_In_San_Francisco.jpg

The ones that are a closer resolution to what it'll actually be displaying at look a bit better, the other ones are blown up I think.

[conzer16]

Go here....... (http://www.e3insider.com/images/?type=screenpax&articleID=2QF45JF4HA)

[system_error]

It should be released 2006 this means they still have a few moments but if Nintendo shows footage like this tomorrow it won't win them any points. Inferior graphics are okay for me but not on this level. You can't show something and think people won't notice/complain. Look what happend when RARE showed the first screenshots of PDZ - all hell break loose for a reason. Those screenshots are exactly what MS + Sony (fanboys) need.

I doubt that if Activision shows both games tomorrow (Wii + 360/PS3) people will overlook that one game looks a lot worse than the others.

[James McGeachie]

I honestly think the reason this game looks so horrificly bad is just that they have a small team working on it while their main Tony Hawk team focuses on the 360 and PS3 titles. This looks worse than the very first Tony Hawk games on PS2, which means that obviousy the shitness has nothing to do with the system's power.

[Owen]

Well like i keep saying, i don't mind what graphical power is used, it just has to look good.

This doesn't. This looks rushed. I'm very dissapointed. :(

[Pyxis]

I didnt realise that the Wii was going to be less powerful than the Gamecube....... Im actually a bit disgusted. I need to see Mario....

[DiemetriX]

Em.. this looks like a bad psp game :|

[HXC]

Whoops I made a mistake earlier, this is infact being developed by Toys For Bob, rather than Neversoft.

TFB are responcible for such classics as Disneys Xtreme Skate Adventure and also for having one of the worst and unfunctional websites in the world.

[system_error]

Okay everybody calm down - Activsion was kind enough to let a awesome developer team handle the Wii version:

http://www.toysforbob.com

Look what they have done so far and then you will understand that those screenshots actually look good compared on the stuff they did before. So far very good developer support from Activision. I hope Nintendo refuses the seal of quality for that game and instead seal it away.

I hope the other developers also let inexperienced developer handle their games. I can't wait for Call of Duty 3 developed by ToysForGeorge...
Even lousy, sloppy ports now look and sound better than this.

/irony energy depleted

[Teppo Holmqvist]

/irony energy depleted

If you had actually played PC-games in early 90's, you would know that Toys for Bob is very respected development house. Unfortunately quality of games dropped pretty fast after Star Control II. :(

[James McGeachie]

I didnt realise that the Wii was going to be less powerful than the Gamecube....... Im actually a bit disgusted. I need to see Mario....

MORE POWER DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY EQUAL BETTER VISUALS.

For fucks sake there's so many ignorant people here, yes this game looks like shit, but that's because it's being made by a small developer with a low budget obviously. In a case like that, a game cant possibly look "next gen" because making a next gen game is FAR from easy and requires a shitload of work and manpower.

This isn't representative of Wii's power, but it is representative of the approach some developers are going to take to developing for Wii, getting smaller teams to make exclusive titles for it while their main teams (the only ones capable of making games that look "next gen") focus on the other systems. Hence why games that are actually made by more experienced development teams, like one of Ubisoft's better studios working on Red Steel, actually look pretty good.

[system_error]

MORE POWER DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY EQUAL BETTER VISUALS.

For fucks sake there's so many ignorant people here, yes this game looks like shit, but that's because it's being made by a small developer with a low budget obviously. In a case like that, a game cant possibly look "next gen" because making a next gen game is FAR from easy and requires a shitload of work and manpower.

This isn't representative of Wii's power, but it is representative of the approach some developers are going to take to developing for Wii, getting smaller teams to make exclusive titles for it while their main teams focus on the other systems.

Activison is not that small - it shows how much effort/faith they are willing to put into the Wii. This is a sign that they are not commited to Wii. True more power does not mean better graphics every time but it surely does not mean worse graphics hehe!

If you had actually played PC-games in early 90's, you would know that Toys for Bob is very respected development house. Unfortunately quality of games dropped pretty fast after Star Control II. :(


...now children can make better games with 3D Game Studio than them. Also in the early 90s graphics did not really matter at all but what they are delievering here is beyond the quality of a fanmade game made by a single person. This game looks like as if Activision said you have a week, 2 pizzas and a N64 now make a "WOW" game.

[James McGeachie]

Activison is not that small - it shows how much effort/faith they are willing to put into the Wii. This is a sign that they are not commited to Wii. True more power does not mean better graphics every time but it surely does not mean worse graphics hehe!.


Ummm..."Activision" aren't making this game, that's not how game development works. Most game developers are made up of lots of smaller development teams and actually quite often farm out their games to smaller developers, which is happening in this case. This game is being made by "Toys for Bob", the other Tony Hawk games are made by "Neversoft" although most of the handheld games were made by Viscarious Visions or something.

[pedrocasilva]

chill out people... it's not that bad...

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2842/downhilljam018eb.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/787/downhilljam028ir.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4808/downhilljam031fv.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8803/downhilljam042ue.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6183/downhilljam055hf.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7783/downhilljam061rs.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3415/downhilljam071hj.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2696/downhilljam087gh.jpg

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/5030/downhilljam093oo.jpg

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/1430/downhilljam108fe.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6200/downhilljam112en.jpg

notice that the resolution on the big pics is the right one, standard definition with 640 pixels width... also there's a big diference in consistence on the pics, the ones with people holding a controller look mostly better... there's some colision issues but it's not like the game will come out tomorow... also Sonic for PS3 and X360 that Sega shown also had colision issues of this magnitude and I saw no one complaining. some textures are downright ugly but let's give these guys a chance... look at the threes in the third image (the first big one, without people playing on the side)... right. they don't look bad and it's a game supposed to be quick where you shouldn't have time to notice those details.

[Hellfire]

Chill people chill. It' clear that they're being lazy, it's obvious that they can have better graphics those textures are worse than GC, now you may be more pessimistic than DCK even, but I doubt wii is actually worse than GC. And dimetrix shame on you for saying it looks PSP.

[Demuwan]

Chill people chill. It' clear that they're being lazy, it's obvious that they can have better graphics those textures are worse than GC, now you may be more pessimistic than DCK even, but I doubt wii is actually worse than GC. And dimetrix shame on you for saying it looks PSP.

Thats cause it does look PSP. Its gonna look like SHIT next to MP3 thats for sure. Damm that game will own. HARD.

[Nintendork]

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Literally what a piece of crap.

http://www.peliplaneetta.net/images/articles/152/b_3.jpg
(PS1 graphics)

Definitely not buying it now, they're a joke. Such the copy of SSX bar, it has the exact same navigation bar, and even a boost bar in the same style as SSX. It's basically SSX on skateboards.

http://www.gamecritics.com/review/ssx/screen01.jpg

[/ nando /]

..um.. looking closer at the pictures.. why do the controllers seem to have black buttons..?

[Hellfire]

Thats cause it does look PSP. Its gonna look like SHIT next to MP3 thats for sure. Damm that game will own. HARD.
You must be blind or something, I'm not even going to bother showing you comparison pics.

[Demuwan]

You must be blind or something, I'm not even going to bother showing you comparison pics.

Don't try defending that shit. Im a hardcore fanboy and even i will admit it looks TERRIBLE. Next Gen more like LAST GEN.

[Nintendork]

Hahaha I love how everyone was defending this shit when I wasted into it before the screens came.
Now everyone is like "yeah that's pretty shit"

There are moments in Tony Hawks 2 (PSone) which genuinely looked better than this, I shit you not.. they were few and far between but it looked better.

With regard to Toys for Bob I think this could be a great step back in the door for them and developping games.. with this in their portfolio and experience with the Wii controller they could probably get on board with some more indie teams and I hope they don't waste the next 5 years developping another Tony Hawks downhill Jam game.

[Hellfire]

PSP graphics totally. Your reactions clearly show you're fanboys, because you get all excited and hotblooded because screenshots of an early version of a game of an unfinished console look like crap, so you turn out getting disapointed and start shooting fire everywhere. Stop being idiots and think before you post. Games with better and worse graphics will come for the Wii and they will mean nothing.
EDIT: Nintendork, you really are a narcisist aren't you? Everything's about you. Everyone acknowledged the game could be good, and it can be good regardless of the graphics. Maybe it won't and it's most obviously a SSX rip off, but it has a chance to be a good game or not. We'll see when we play it.

[James McGeachie]

..um.. looking closer at the pictures.. why do the controllers seem to have black buttons..?

Development kit controllers, not final design.

[McMad]

Hahaha I love how everyone was defending this shit when I wasted into it before the screens came.
Now everyone is like "yeah that's pretty shit"


Nintendork wins that argument. :heh:

[Nintendork]

Thanks for teaching me what narcissist* means, also why is that skater wearing a cowboy hat?

[Demuwan]

http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/597/597729/tony-hawks-underground-2-remix-20050321011704059.jpg

PSP graphics totally. Your reactions clearly show you're fanboys, because you get all excited and hotblooded because screenshots of an early version of a game of an unfinished console look like crap, so you turn out getting disapointed and start shooting fire everywhere. Stop being idiots and think before you post. Games with better and worse graphics will come for the Wii and they will mean nothing.

Did I ever say that the Wii wouldn't have great graphics. no. I didn't I have no doubt the Wii will produce outstanding graphics. and Im not judging the Wii's graphical power on one screenshot. all I am saying is that those graphics look terrible and they do. May not be final may be a beta kit but nonetheless they are CRAP.

[Hellfire]

Nonetheless saying they looks like PSP and PSone is a sign of mongolism at best.
EDIT: No offense, not trying to start a flame war, just wanting to beat you ppl into your senses.

[Demuwan]

Nonetheless saying they looks like PSP and PSone is a sign of mongolism at best.

I was using Hyperbole to emphasize the fact that their SHIT.

some people

[djamb3]

It looks a good game for me...

Yeah the visuals are not that good but is that the purpose of the console?I had more fun today playing virtua cop 2 than playing mohaa or UT 2004... If the games is great to play I'd like to try it.

[Hellfire]

Learn to use your hyperboles better then. ;)

[Demuwan]

Learn to use your hyperboles better then. ;)

The comment of someone who has admitted defeat.

[Hellfire]

Not really, you just interpret how you wish to. Dimetrix said they looked like PSP, I said no they don't and you say yes they do, that's pretty much saying that you thought they were psp like graphics. Now I'll exit this thread before I stab someone.

[Demuwan]

Not really, you just interpret how you wish to. Dimetrix said they looked like PSP, I said no they don't and you say yes they do, that's pretty much saying that you thought they were psp like graphics. Now I'll exit this thread before I stab someone.

It must be so hard when you know that you have lost :heh:

[Hellfire]

Just to know, what age are you? Ah ffs fuck this shit. Screw you guys I'm going home. (some other thread)

[Demuwan]

Just to know, what age are you? Ah ffs fuck this shit. Screw you guys I'm going home. (some other thread)

Im just playing with you. Please don't get wound up. We still Homies.

[yogi_bear]

this game has ruined my mood for the evening! Piece of junk!

[demonmike04]

Now that they have been enlarged, looks a lil better than what i saw on the e3 site...but still looks terrible. Hooray for early development?

Remember, the games audience is for kids. So the graphics and style used will be made specifically for them. They'l give it the cool factor too, and thats what SSX has. Gotta try your best to wow the audience if you wanna sell a product.

[Hellfire]

Im just playing with you. Please don't get wound up. We still Homies.
Foh shizzle.. er.. nizzle.

[Fierce_LiNk]

Haha, this just shows who the graphics whores are.
I'm still interested in this game.

[pedrocasilva]

Don't try defending that shit. Im a hardcore fanboy and even i will admit it looks TERRIBLE. Next Gen more like LAST GEN.yeah, but current gen is not PSP... ok it may have "almost" PSP textures at some places... but still...

It's not a matter of fanboyism, because that's not what Wii can do and I'm not saying "wow that looks great"... you guys here (nintendork particularly) are almost making it look like "wow! this could be done on NES"...

also going out of topic just to bash the guys because they did some bad games... they are still pros and they know more than I and most of us here... anyway... it must be horrible to be obligated to make a disney game and have strict timelines for finishing, no quality can come out of that... but they have to pay their living expenses and all... they are working there for a living...

also bare in mind that these guys never dealt with gamecube dev kits before (I didn't see a single GC game in their site) and they must have taken a lot of time there... Wii semi-final kits started shipping like... 1 month or so ago for some dev's, I wouldn't be surprised if most of that images were from a GC build of the game (with added FHC)... some pics look improved next to the others... it's not all bad.

[21st century cowboy]

I didn't think the graphics were that bad. If the psp can push graphics like that I'd eat my DS. Come on people look at the draw distance on the mountain. Please only judge the graphical capability of the machine after we have seen what Nintendo have done.

[djamb3]

E3 couldn't be so far yet...

[Demuwan]

Please only judge the graphical capability of the machine after we have seen what Nintendo have done.

I agree with you totally and please don't assume I think this game will be poor or even that the graphics on this game will be poor. However I was only pointing out that those graphics don't look good at all. Sure the gameplay may be good. But no-one can honestly say they said WOW (in a good way) when they saw those 'graphics'

[Link]

don`t know if anyone posted this, but here are some screen shots...i`m VERY disappointed!!!!

http://www.rewiredmind.com/news/080506/screenstonyhawksdownhilljamwii

[Towers]

So the game will be crap because you guys don't think it looks current gen. Seriously guys settle down. I don't understand how you guys can say it won't be fun to play because it looks like shit. That's like saying any game which looks amazing will play fantasticly. I really like the idea of down hill skate boarding and I can't wait to see this in motion. I can't get my head around how people can dismiss a game so early on without vid footage or any hands on previews.

[James McGeachie]

don`t know if anyone posted this, but here are some screen shots...i`m VERY disappointed!!!!

http://www.rewiredmind.com/news/080506/screenstonyhawksdownhilljamwii

No we were just talking about the imaginery invisible screenshots we made up in our head for the last few pages obviously.

[Delhijo]

Everybody get so agressive in this time of the year!
I hate E3!!!

[Link]

No we were just talking about the imaginery invisible screenshots we made up in our head for the last few pages obviously.

ur a f*ckface!

[Owen]

Come on guys, don't argue! This is meant to be the best time of year for us gamers/nintendo fans.

This is a clash of different opinions going on.

Sadly people will just have to get used to the fact that some people (including me) don't like the screenshots.

and us (including me) has to get used to the fact that some people do!

Lets try and give our opinions out without being rude and swearing at each-other right?

The last two-pages has been arguments!

As for Nintendork, his always given out his opinion. You may not agree with it, but just let him say his bit, like we can say ours! This is a forum, and not everyone is bloody the same!

OK! :wink:

Now the screenshots could be early on in development, is that right? and are they 100% confirmed to be for the Wii and not for something else? even though it looks like Downhill Jam? :grin:

[Teppo Holmqvist]

At least Marvel: Ultimate Alliance looks better.

http://www.e3insider.com/images/?type=screenpax&articleID=X0D3ME6O82

http://www.e3insider.com/_media/?type=image&format=fullSize&source=gp_MULA-_Thing_charges_in_close.jpg