Who else doesn't want to see the shell?

[Pizza]

Now I know lots of you seem to be pretty keen on the idea of a controller 'shell'. It makes ports easier, so the system gets more games, so revolution owners are better off.

But I for one would be really annoyed if I had to get a shell. To me it seems like nintendo is admitting defeat. Plus, it's another peripheral to mess around with, could make for a heavier and possibly unbalanced controller and it would cost money. You've got the nunchuk- that gives you all the buttons you need, even if the FHC is relegated to camera control or something.

Who's with me?

[Hellfire]

I'm not. I see where you're coming from, but some bases need to be covered and don't forget that the FHC still works even inside the shell, so it will still have an advantage over the other consoles.

[link64uk]

i would of thought the best idea was to just use gamecube pads for ported games rather than a bulky shell

[21st century cowboy]

'Puts hand up in the air'

They can't possibly include everything in the box: 2 FHC, nunchuck control stick and the shell. I don't want to see games using the old control methods. New era, new controler, new games. I guess it all depends how developers have reacted to the FHC.

I think there may be chance we won't see it all.

[Jamba]

I'm all for the shell but again I can see where you're coming from. I do think it's more likely that the shell will come boxed in though rather than a second FHC.

[Pizza]

I'm not. I see where you're coming from, but some bases need to be covered .......

Which bases?

[Jamba]

Which bases?

The base which allows 3rd party companies to port over games from the other consoles.

[ShadowV7]

I highly doubt there will be a shell included.I think there will be a bundle where you either get an extra shell or an extra FHC.More people would need a FHC than a shell.

[Jamba]

I highly doubt there will be a shell included.I think there will be a bundle where you either get an extra shell or an extra FHC.More people would need a FHC than a shell.

Yeah but you need the shell to play all the virtual console games but you don't need the 2nd FHC for that many games.

[21st century cowboy]

Yeah but you need the shell to play all the virtual console games but you don't need the 2nd FHC for that many games.

Whos to say how many games you need 2 FHC for!? none of thats for sure. I hope they do include the 2nd FHC so there is more chance that developers will make games using both of them

[ShadowV7]

Only a shell for N64 games.For NES and SNES you can just use the Rev FHC.

[McMad]

Nintendo need to play things safe though.

If they don't have the controller shell then developers could make clumsy controls with the free-hand-controller for ports or not even port the games over to the Revolution at all.

And if the free-hand-controller does not take off then Nintendo will need the shell to have normal games made on their console.

Think of the shell as what the d-pad and buttons are for the DS, a gateway to have normal games.

[21st century cowboy]

how can you use the FHC for SNES games?
I hope they just reproduce the N64 controller with the slick white casing used on the FHC. I'd buy it even if I didn't buy any N64 games from the VC.

[Nintendork]

I think the sales alone will be incentive enough for developpers to go that extra mile and support the FHC.

I think FHC based games across the board will sell better on the Revolution, which equals $$$ for developpers.

I'll be happy to have a shell for the back catalogue.. but I won't be using it for any modern games except racers.

I don't think the shell's existance will have any serious affect on the Revolution's market except for keeping people happy who are still into playing games like Fifa and Burnout.

[gaggle64]

It's not a bad idea, and I would like to see it in MAy, if only out of curosity.

[mario114]

I'm hopping the release loads of shells/controllers (cube/n64/snes).

[system_error]

'Puts hand up in the air'

They can't possibly include everything in the box: 2 FHC, nunchuck control stick and the shell. I don't want to see games using the old control methods. New era, new controler, new games. I guess it all depends how developers have reacted to the FHC.

I think there may be chance we won't see it all.

If they launch for 199.90€ I expect 2 controllers + nunchuck addon + 2 shell extensions. It would be a rip off otherwise because the hardware itself is not worth 199.90€ in my eyes. Technology used in the Revolution is cheap and easy to produce so either give me lots of controllers, bundles or I won't pay more than 149.90€ at launch.

[Fierce_LiNk]

I can see your point. But, some games just might not work well using the FHC. Sorta how the touchscreen and dualscreens are not neccessary for every genre of games. In this instance, the controller shell is useful for these types of games.
But, the last thing we want to see if lazy porting and developers not putting the FHC to good use.

[Nintendork]

Revolution has spent a lot of money on the controller.. there might not be much budget on the graphics but I think they can justify that price range.

[Pyxis]

I dont want to know what games are coming to the revolution yet! Not 1st party games at least... Anybody feeling the same? I wished that they would just be silent after Red Steel and not reveal any news on games like Donkey Kong...Ive been waiting almost a year for this E3 and they're ruining the big event! (unless revolution could fly us all to the moon!)

[goku21]

I think Nintendo has many standard-themes for generic-games that they give to the developers who want to port their game. THey´ll just modify it a little bit for extras...come on, it´s not that much work, perhaps 0,5% of all the costs... And realy outstanding fresh and cool games will of course get a special controll-theme, you know these devs want to present AAA and nothing else...

[Tellyn]

I want the shells. I just don't want them used in actual Rev games. The Virtual Console NEEDS the shells otherwise you have to hold the FHC in an awkward position to be able to play.

[ShadowV7]

You only need a shell for the N64.I don't mind holding the control horizintally.I'll just be so hyped when I get game's for the Virtual Console I won't be leaving my room at all,won't sleep for a couple of day's and eat chocolate.

[21st century cowboy]

You only need a shell for the N64.I don't mind holding the control horizintally.I'll just be so hyped when I get game's for the Virtual Console I won't be leaving my room at all,won't sleep for a couple of day's and eat chocolate.

That'll be me too. I'm going to become like Gollum stroking the FHC and calling it my precious!
But Shadow how can you play SNES games with the FHC? Have I missed something?

[ShadowV7]

Use the B button under the control for a shoulder button and the other A and B button.But to be honest I forgot what the pad looked like :woops:

[21st century cowboy]

Shame on you sir.

DS to control SNES games, who's with me.

[ShadowV7]

That would be cool.And you could use a DS screen for a map or something.But I would still prefer the FHC or a shell though.

[Kurtle Squad]

We'd have to have lots of annoying attachments without the shell....

[Pit-Jr]

i keep flip-flopping on this issue and now im back to wanting a shell but i only want to use it for VC games a\. The GC controller's d-pad is too small and oddly placed to play SNES games comfortably

Plus i want to sell my GC when i get a Rev and it will be hard to do if i have to keep the GC controllers for virtual console games

[Kurtle Squad]

If Nintendo added a couple more buttons (nicely and uncrouded) somewhere then I reckon they wouln't need a shell.

[DCK]

I have no problems with the shell. It's just an integral part of gaming to have a complex controller and you can't just ignore it if you decide it's stupid.

I doubt it'll be used all that much though.

[ShadowV7]

If they added just a couple more small button's like Kurt said.We won't really need one.

[Nintendork]

That defeats the point of the damn FHC.
Nintendo tried doing it with the cube, and gave into developpers by adding the Z button and they have to draw the line somewhere.

The benefit outweighs the tiny loss of having to have a shell.

[Teppo Holmqvist]

...by adding the Z button and they have to draw the line somewhere.

Not Z-button, D-pad. In first proto of Gamecube controller, B-button was on the place of D-pad.

[Jamba]

Not Z-button, D-pad. In first proto of Gamecube controller, B-button was on the place of D-pad.

Wow! Glad that never happened! Also wasn't the Z button just added so they could go 1st person view in SMS?

[ShadowV7]

Z button helped out in a few game's though.Glad it was there.

[Jamba]

Yeahh, we would of seen a lot more ports if there was a Z2 button

[21st century cowboy]

I for one found the Z button very tedious especially after how well it was implemented into the N64 pad.

[ShadowV7]

N64 Z button was great,though I didn't use it as much as the GC Z button.

[Jamba]

Yeah, the N64 Z button was totally essential for creating the pivot based targetting system in OOT, which then became a standard in the industry.

[Tellyn]

Z button comes in handy in Zelda.

[gmanprime]

That would be cool.And you could use a DS screen for a map or something.But I would still prefer the FHC or a shell though.

Umm... The ds already has the configuration for a snes controller.

[ShadowV7]

Got a source?

[Daroh]

I think he’s referring to the buttons, the DS has all the same buttons the snes has.

It’s strange to think what this shell will turn out like...
Nintendo will probably try and make so it works will all the Virtual Console games, including megadrive, which means it would need an ABC XYZ, but I can imagine they would be positioned in a manner so that the A,B,X and Y of the snes would fit in with them so the buttons would adopt a kind of diagonal slant to keep them fitting in position.

One thing that bothers me is if they use this method, when playing a megadrive game and it says "HIT B" you'd be pressing the wrong button since the Snes B and the Megadrive B are in different positions.

[21st century cowboy]

Have Nintendo even said the shell is going to be used for the VC games?

[goku21]

You ca play megadrive with shoulderbuttons too. You don´t need that outlay..

[ShadowV7]

I think they have mentioned it once though i'm not 100%.

[Jay]

I don't want to see the shell used for too many games as I feel most often it'll just get used for lazy ports, however certain games may just work better on it and if the developer feels the shell is best suited for that type of game then fair do's.

I think largely though it'll be used as an alternative for people who don't own gamecube controllers and want to play Virtual Console games. As for the virtual console control schemes? I think its most likely you'll be able to choose your own configuration.

[The3rdChildren]

The Revolution needs a regular control method and regular games. I don't want all of Nintendo's beloved franchises to go all gimmicky. The free hand controller doesn't have the limitless potential we might all like to think it does.

This new controller isn't going to work effectively with all types of games. I'm fairly skeptical it'll even work effectively with most established genres, let alone create several new ones.

I'll be honest, it all seems very finicky to me. I guess I'm just not as big of a fan as I used to be.

[ndreamer]

many 2d games i think will be best using the shell even 2d games with analog movement like smash brothers is probley beater with the shell. fhc will be much beater for full 3d games like shooters, light gun games, 3rd person games ect.

[Innovance]

The Revolution needs a regular control method and regular games. I don't want all of Nintendo's beloved franchises to go all gimmicky. The free hand controller doesn't have the limitless potential we might all like to think it does.

This new controller isn't going to work effectively with all types of games. I'm fairly skeptical it'll even work effectively with most established genres, let alone create several new ones.

I'll be honest, it all seems very finicky to me. I guess I'm just not as big of a fan as I used to be.

i agree i also get the feeling that with some games the novelty of gesture based gameplay will wear off and ill prefer a more traditional method of gameplay, in which case ill want the shell.

I dont know u get the feeling that the people who reject the idea of the shell (or instantly dismiss ps3 or 360 games as not next gen) are kind of missing the point of the FHC and are blinded to its potential flaws

[DCK]

i agree i also get the feeling that with some games the novelty of gesture based gameplay will wear off and ill prefer a more traditional method of gameplay, in which case ill want the shell.

I dont know u get the feeling that the people who reject the idea of the shell (or instantly dismiss ps3 or 360 games as not next gen) are kind of missing the point of the FHC and are blinded to its potential flaws
Yes, I agree.

The FHC cannot take care of every game around. If it makes games nicer to play using the shell, I will prefer it over the 'pure' FHC control.

[ShadowV7]

I still want the traditional way of playing game's instead of every game being about the FHC.