Happy St. George's day! [Archive]

Oli1983uk

23-04-2006, 11:41 AM

Happy St Geogre's day aswell! I will be going out with a few friends for a few drinks today and having a laugh!

http://www.anbg.gov.au/images/flags/st-georges-cross.gif

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Soldier. Martyr. That's all we know for sure.

Several stories have been attached to Saint George, the best known of which is the Golden Legend. In it, a dragon lived in a lake near Silena, Libya. Whole armies had gone up against this fierce creature, and had gone down in painful defeat. The monster ate two sheep each day; when mutton was scarce, lots were drawn in local villages, and maidens were substituted for sheep. Into this country came Saint George. Hearing the story on a day when a princess was to be eaten, he crossed himself, rode to battle against the serpent, and killed it with a single blow with his lance. George then held forth with a magnificent sermon, and converted the locals. Given a large reward by the king, George distributed it to the poor, then rode away.

Due to his chivalrous behavior (protecting women, fighting evil, dependence on faith and might of arms, largesse to the poor), devotion to Saint George became popular in the Europe after the 10th century. In the 15th century his feast day was as popular and important as Christmas. Many of his areas of patronage have to do with life as a knight on horseback. The celebrated Knights of the Garter are actually Knights of the Order of Saint George. The shrine built for his relics at Lydda, Palestine was a popular point of pilgrimage for centuries. One of the Fourteen Holy Helpers.
Died
tortured and beheaded c.304 at Lydda, Palestine

Platty

23-04-2006, 11:41 AM

Happy St George's day to all the English at these here forums.

You're right St George lived in Turkey and never stepped foot in England but he fought in the crusades for us and stories of his bravery and desire reached back to England to all the soldiers who were going out to fight and hence the line: "For England and St George"

My friends and I celebrate every year and are gonna have a marathon of our own today by going on a pub crawl starting at 1pm. It's gonna get messy !

So have a good day to all those who celebrate in whatever you do.

http://www.flag-works.com/graphics/CrossofStGeorgelg.jpg

Haden

23-04-2006, 11:42 AM

I find national pride annoying. However, it's harmless. Carry on.

Yeh but it can lead to atrocities like this

http://web.olivet.edu/~jsinclai/hitler.jpg

Dero dear anyway happy st georges day everyone! I need to resdiscover some english pride after being immersed in jewish american and italian american culture recently.

KKOB

23-04-2006, 11:43 AM

is it just me or is st georges day slowly gettin bigger?!

i think everyones favorites saints day is st patricks day! the irish sure know how to party!

Platty

23-04-2006, 11:49 AM

is it just me or is st georges day slowly gettin bigger?!

i think everyones favorites saints day is st patricks day! the irish sure know how to party!

It's always been big with my family and friends, always celebrated St Georges day, shame nothing big ever happens for it, a few things go on at covent garden which is good but other than that just a few pubs put up some flags and have deals on beer.

And as for everyone favourite saints day being st patricks ? yeah if you're Irish, but me being English mine is St George's day of course.

Anyway i be going !!

Nintendork

23-04-2006, 11:52 AM

Racists all of yo'.

The Peeps

23-04-2006, 12:02 PM

Happy St. Georges Day everyone.:yay:

Most of my friends don't even know who St. George is despite me telling them every year. It's a shame that in this country we all celebrate St. Patricks day but on the whole do next to nothing for our own patron saint.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4199/england3lions2si.jpg

Mokong X-C

23-04-2006, 12:09 PM

mario114

23-04-2006, 12:26 PM

Why isn't St. George Day celebrated big in England? He is your national saint isn't he, shouldn't it be a bigger deal?

Oh, well, happy St. George's Day to all ya'll in England... (and Scotland and Wales if they celebrate it too)

Because the powers that be, don't think we should be allowed anouther bank hoiliday.

-Also I think it's a cool story, even if it is just talles from long ago. :D

Happy st. George's day everyone!

The fish

23-04-2006, 12:52 PM

Why isn't St. George Day celebrated big in England? He is your national saint isn't he, shouldn't it be a bigger deal?

Because St. George's cross is the flag on the NF and is used by the BNP.
And it's the name of my school, which is just evil.

Domo Kun

23-04-2006, 01:01 PM

St George's day doesn't really have any traditional celebrations behind it. I'm not Christian, but Christmas for me means presents, and Easter means eggs. I can't really celbrate St George's day because how would we do it?

I think we should start a tradition where we all have to eat some dodgey ham to celebrate (although I'm a vegetarian, so it'll be dodgey quorn for me)

Arragaun

23-04-2006, 01:01 PM

Because St. George's cross is the flag on the NF and is used by the BNP.
Yeah those guys do sort of mar the esssential niceness of St George.

Even so, he did slaughter Muslims in the name of God. So he gets a thumbs down from me.

Domo Kun

23-04-2006, 01:05 PM

I think we should find a new national saint who hasn't killed anyone. John Lennon's my favourite Briton. I think it would be kinda hard for everyone to decide who it'd be.

Arragaun

23-04-2006, 01:06 PM

The BBC did a big poll a couple of years ago didn't they? To decide who the 'Greatest Briton' was...

Who was it?

Domo Kun

23-04-2006, 01:10 PM

Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965), Prime Minister during World War II
Isambard Kingdom Brunel (1806-1859), engineer, creator of Great Western Railway and other significant works
Diana, Princess of Wales (1961-1997), first wife of HRH Charles, Prince of Wales (1981-1996) and mother of Princes William & Harry of Wales.
Charles Darwin (1809-1882), naturalist, originator of the theory of evolution through natural selection and author of The Origin of Species.
William Shakespeare (1564-1616), English poet and playwright, thought of by many as the greatest of all writers in the English language.
Sir Isaac Newton, physicist
Queen Elizabeth I of England, monarch
John Lennon (1940-1980), of The Beatles, musician
Vice Admiral Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson, naval commander
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector
Sir Ernest Shackleton, polar explorer
Captain James Cook, explorer
Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell, founder of the Boy Scouts
Alfred the Great, King of Wessex
Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, military commander and statesman
Margaret Thatcher, Prime Minister
Michael Crawford, actor
Queen Victoria, monarch
Sir Paul McCartney, of The Beatles, musician
Sir Alexander Fleming, pharmaceutical innovator

That's the top 20. And the link's below.

I wouldn't give Winston Churchill the number one spot and I don't know what Dianna's doing above Shakespeare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Greatest_Britons

Edit: Ooh! David Bowie got number 29 ^___^ rock on!

weeyellowbloke

23-04-2006, 01:24 PM

Been doing a bit of reading about St. George on wikipedia, interesting. He was apparantly almost certainly a soldier, but other then that nothing seems certain. One story says he was a Roman soldier in Turkey and personal guard of Emperor Diocletian. Diocletian ordered the persecution of Christians thughout the Roman Empire. George confessed to being a Christian himself and asked the Emperor to stop the persecution. For his troubles he got tortured and executed and as a reuslt became a martyr. He is apparantly respected among Muslims in Jerusalem as a protector in times of crisis. Also it suggests the reason behind St. George being associated with England is due to England conquering Wales, the symbol of which is the dragon. Never thought of that, but I suppose it makes a little bit of sense.

The fish

23-04-2006, 01:34 PM

Darwin is the greatest Briton, if not the greatest man in the world ever.
He all but proved that the church is making stuff up and lying out of it's arse.

Arragaun

23-04-2006, 01:39 PM

'Cause the Church is absolutely one unified body and has no separate factions within it. And this totally unified body totally wrote the entire Bible with the clear vision to lie to everybody and do nobody any good whatsoever.

Also, Darwin invented the theory of evolution. A very convincing theory, but it's not proof of anything.

Charlie

23-04-2006, 01:45 PM

Haha, Guy Fawkes grabbed number 30 on the list. David Beckham 33 - wtf?

Jordan

23-04-2006, 01:48 PM

Yeah but its more plausable than the freaking Garden of Eden.

The fish

23-04-2006, 01:59 PM

Yeah but its more plausable than the freaking Garden of Eden.

Yeah, and you can see why it might have happened as it did-it's survival of the fitest. It's logical. It can, over a span of time, be proved. That is where science totaly, in want of a better word, pwns religion.

Haver

23-04-2006, 01:59 PM

Metaphors, Jordan, metaphors

The fish

23-04-2006, 02:01 PM

Metaphor my arse! It's all bullshit. And I should know. I go to a Christian-foundation school (only becasue I was garunteed a place as my sister was already there)
A simple way of looking at it is this: science put a man on the moon-religion didn't.

Arragaun

23-04-2006, 02:04 PM

Yeah, and you can see why it might have happened as it did-it's survival of the fitest. It's logical. It can, over a span of time, be proved. That is where science totaly, in want of a better word, pwns religion.
In my eyes, you're a scientific fanatic. Everybody knows that evolution is the best way to explain everything. Nobody needs you to lay it out for them.
Metaphor my arse! It's all bullshit. And I should know. I go to a Christian-foundation school (only becasue I was garunteed a place as my sister was already there)
A simple way of looking at it is this: science put a man on the moon-religion didn't.
Yes, bravo. Once again you prove your amazing brainial knowledgery.

The fish

23-04-2006, 02:06 PM

Evolution is not the best way to explain everything. It is the way to explain everything. Try proving other wise. Go on. Just try.

Arragaun

23-04-2006, 02:09 PM

God damnit, I just said that.

Everybody knows that evolution is the best way to explain everything.

The3rdChildren

23-04-2006, 02:10 PM

A simple way of looking at it is this: science put a man on the moon-religion didn't.

I'm fairly sure that mankind has never been to the moon, but I guess we'll wait and see. My religion believes that God is the moon, overlooking his children as they sleep and when our Earth bodies are separated from our Moon Spirits at death, we fly to the Night Sun and live there for all eternity on God's crater filled paradise.

The fish

23-04-2006, 02:13 PM

I'm fairly sure that mankind has never been to the moon

No, they have. Have faith in people.

why dont we see monkeys evolve into humans

Becasue it takes a very long time...

Haver

23-04-2006, 02:16 PM

Have faith

hah ha ha ha

The fish

23-04-2006, 02:17 PM

hah ha ha ha

And that is funny because?

Faith: Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

The3rdChildren

23-04-2006, 02:17 PM

No, they have. Have faith in people.

I have faith in people. People have presented good reasons why the moon landing could have been faked. The waving flag, the lighting.

Oooh, ok if evolution IS true

why dont we see monkeys evolve into humans

My religion believes that mankind did not evolve from Monkeys, but Moonkeys placed on this dark sphere at the beginning of time.

All hail the great Moon Good, lord of all Moonslims.

The fish

23-04-2006, 02:19 PM

Just because there is no wind doesn't mean a flag can't move.
And what lighting?

Haver

23-04-2006, 02:20 PM

Because you're ridiculing those that have faith. That's what the goddamn Bible is about. Not fucking tax collectors.

The fish

23-04-2006, 02:24 PM

I never said it was about tax collecters.
I think it is either a) Something invented to control the masses.
or b) there was a Jesus of Nazerath (spelt right?) who said some very clever and, at the time, revolutionary things.

MunKy

23-04-2006, 02:24 PM

A theory isnt just a wild guess. Its an idea that has substantial evidence to prove its right but cannot be proved 100%. In this case its because we cant go back in time and watch evolution. Find as much proof for religion as there is for evolution and I'll give it a chance.
Back on topic, Happy St. Georges day, its pointless for me but my dad is an ultimate patriot so there flags all over the house.

Charlie

23-04-2006, 02:24 PM

Just because there is no wind doesn't mean a flag can't move.
And what lighting?

If there was no wind the flag can't move. Wind, or air, is what moves the flag.

The fact that the first steps on the moon was Neil Armstrong walking towards the camera. Did they just chuck the camera out and hope it would be in the perfect position and be facing in the right direction?

Jordan

23-04-2006, 02:24 PM

Domo Kun

23-04-2006, 02:26 PM

All of you stop it! You're tearing this family apart!

The fish

23-04-2006, 02:29 PM

Thanks to Jordan and especially MunKy for backing me up there.
Oh, and Domo Kun, I'll stop if they stfu.

The3rdChildren

23-04-2006, 02:31 PM

Actually, a while back i saw a tv show about them landing on the Moon. It explained all this stuff to people who don't believed it happend.

The one piece of undeniable truth is that they placed a beacon that sends information back to a lab somewhere in the US thats still sending information to this day that Mr. Armstrong himself put in the ground on the Moon. I pretty much believe it, besides they're planning another lunar landing in a couple of years so i guess we'll see then.

Most of it is covered here:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm

They basically fooled an entire PLANET that they'd landed on the Moon. That's a pretty insane thing to do, I doubt they'd have any trouble sneaking a little beacon up there with today's technology.

The sweaty conspiracy theorist nerds do present some pretty good (http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html) points, though.

However, let's argue another time. Leave this thread for it's original purpose and whatnot.

Arragaun

23-04-2006, 02:32 PM

Hey the fish, I'm a big fat Christian fundamentalist, who won't hear a word of your evolution bollocks. Fucking lynch me.

MunKy

23-04-2006, 02:35 PM

Hey the fish, I'm a big fat Christian fundamentalist, who won't hear a word of your evolution bollocks. Fucking lynch me.

Another point for the Christians.

Haver

23-04-2006, 02:38 PM

Fish, you've got to keep open-minded. Sticking to your absolutes will be your undoing. I'm sat here defending Christianity, I'm not a Christian - I believe the Church has value - and sure, I struggle to believe that any portion of the Bible actually occured, but I believe it has value. I am not a fan of anti-homosexuality or any such literal interpretation of the Bible, or the pro-lifers, or God-led war, but as a tool for learning, as an illustration of 'good', there's value to be had.

The fish

23-04-2006, 02:42 PM

I was open minded once, but my school has made me hate organsied religion.
The only half-decent one is Buddhism, because it's like "yeah, what ever."

Another point for the Christians.

Well said. :bowdown:

Blackfox

23-04-2006, 02:47 PM

The fish

23-04-2006, 02:47 PM

Hey the fish, I'm a big fat Christian fundamentalist, who won't hear a word of your evolution bollocks. Fucking lynch me.

Ok. Pass me the rope, if you really want to me.
Fundamentalists are the worst (look at Ahmadinejad or Bush), along with Bible bashers :mad: . The rest are tolerable.

Arragaun

23-04-2006, 02:50 PM

Blackfox

23-04-2006, 02:52 PM

Anyway - this thread is about St George's Day. Keep it on track yo'. Create a different thread or something.

Haver

23-04-2006, 02:53 PM

On Morgan Spurlock's 30 Days, in which he and his girlfriend attempt to get by on the minimum wage, he manages to get furniture for his ant-ridden flat (which is above a crackden) and clothes and blankets from a Christian-run thrift store. That is a service they provide, for free, on their own time. That's just an amazing thing.

MunKy

23-04-2006, 02:54 PM

Why hate orgainsied religion, it provides help to millions. Its just the bad press that we see on TV - why? Becuase it sells papers and creates viewing figures to show a suicide bombing rather than a church helping the community or a religion helping someone leave a life of crime or drugs.

True but alot of the time the people who reform through religion become bible quoting hypocrites. I dont know about Fish but my hatred for organized religion comes from my hatred of being lied to. Apart from that OR kills more people than it saves, even before TV brought it into the spotlight. And the atrocities done in the name of "god" today are tame compared to the old days. I would go deeper into my hatred but the semi final is on soon and I cant be bothered to type that much.

Haver

23-04-2006, 02:55 PM

Well, I think this discussion highlights our inability to take on a national identity and thus celebrate a national holiday. And it's because we're so goddamn intolerant. Toleration is something to celebrate.

Fields

23-04-2006, 02:56 PM

Shit, totally forgot about St. George's day until I saw this. :shock:

The fish

23-04-2006, 02:56 PM

Oh my God fish, are you really so stupid as to let all that I've said fly over your head?

I support evolution and Darwin.
I am not a Christian.
Do not lynch me.

I've merely been highlighting how zealously someone can support something that they know so little about. You've helped me immensely.

Sorry, but I really do hate fundamentalists and people who run organised religions. Other than that, most people are ok.
Apart from bible bashers.
and the guy who owns Mc Donald's.

I hate organised religion for the same reason as MunKy: killing people "in the name of God", constantly lying and attempting to disallow change.

Blackfox

23-04-2006, 02:57 PM

Haha, why hate it?

Just tolerate it - different folks/different strokes. If someone likes something then let them.

Haver

23-04-2006, 03:01 PM

The qualms you have with religion are all perpetrated at the hands of fundamentalists who, as you point out, you have a significant distaste for. But fundamentalists do not speak for the entire Christian community.

The fish

23-04-2006, 03:01 PM

I tolerate them. It's just, for the most part, fundermentalists don't tolerate me.

The3rdChildren

23-04-2006, 03:02 PM

I think this thread needs it's name changed to HAPPY ST. GEORGE'S DAY/RELIGIOUS DEBATE!.

Arragaun

23-04-2006, 03:03 PM

Sorry, but I really do hate fundamentalists and people who run organised religions. Other than that, most people are ok.
Apart from bible bashers.
and the guy who owns Mc Donald's.

I hate organised religion for the same reason as MunKy: killing people "in the name of God", constantly lying and attempting to disallow change.
Listen, change the record mate. We all know that religion is "holding us back" and is a "blight on society" blah blah blah. But the fact is, it's not gonna be deconstructed through simple hatred like what you are spouting at the moment.

It'll fall apart of its own accord eventually, just give it time. And in that time, find some sort of inner peace and, like Haver said, tolerance for your fellow humans.

mario114

23-04-2006, 03:06 PM

Why hate orgainsied religion, it provides help to millions. Its just the bad press that we see on TV - why? Becuase it sells papers and creates viewing figures to show a suicide bombing rather than a church helping the community or a religion helping someone leave a life of crime or drugs.

Very true, you just have to look at all the aid orgaisations which help so many people in third world countries, many of which are christain based or started.

Back to the topic, did you know the st. george flag was brought over to the UK from some horrid french guy (not saying that french are horrid, but this guy was, he didn't care about England but I think he was the King at some point, or something like that).

Mr_Odwin

23-04-2006, 03:21 PM

When I was at church today they had the Union Jack displayed, which I guess was technically not correct.
If you harbour hatred against organised religion you're really only hurting yourself and wasting energy so you should try and move on.

The fish

23-04-2006, 03:47 PM

I waste no energy doing it. I only do it when people have ago at me or say something really really stupid.

Haden

23-04-2006, 04:12 PM

The fish just chill out. I am a christian and study history at uni. Its obvious that through history organised religion has done a lot of shameful things that actually condriditc the core messages of christianity of not casting the first stone and loving your neighbour etc. But a lot of good has been done in the name of religion aslo, like Wilberforce helping slave trading become illegal and the growth of literacy in the early modern period.

Anyway st george yay!

Meik

23-04-2006, 05:47 PM

I'm a follower of CubeChristianity. All it entails is blagging as much free stuff as possible.

It's a pretty cool religion.

The3rdChildren

23-04-2006, 07:01 PM

I'm a follower of CubeChristianity. All it entails is blagging as much free stuff as possible.

It's a pretty cool religion.

Can I join? My moon religion isn't working out too well. People stopped buying it when I told them how we believe Jesus Christ came to earth on a meteorite to preach Moon God's message of eternal lunar paradise beyond the grave.

AshMat

23-04-2006, 07:03 PM

Is it really?

Platty

24-04-2006, 12:57 PM

Well i had a good day out while you lot were discussing this religion hoo har.

Started at 1pm and finished at 5am, ive just got up, ah what a good day. There were some other blokes doing the same pub crawl as us, however they were all dressed as Knights and one of them as a dragon, everytime they walked into a new pub everyone clapped and cheered, it was nice to see others making the effort.

Ive seen on the news that guy that has run well walked the marathon dressed as St George. He has only made it as far as Woolwich which is done the road from where i live, brave guy, good luck to him i hope he finishes.

Today im just gonna relax after a heavy weekend of drinkage, ive just taken my St Georges cross flags down (all 4 of them) from my windows but they shall go back up for the world cup :)