Doctor Who

[KKOB]

the doctor is back next week! rejoice!!!!!!!!

tomorrow night on bbc 3 is doctor who night with the usual interviews and sneak peaks and a repeat of the christmas invasion!!!

oh joy!

i havent been this excited since i ripped my guitar out of its box yesterday and plugged it into my ps2!!!!

:D:D:D

(yes i am a big stupid freak!)

[Babooo]

Never really been a fan of the doctor who series.

I just thought I'd say that. :D

[Ashley]

Started watching it last night on Teleport, half watching the second episode now. Its okay, very corny in places. Hmm.

[Jordan]

I loved the last series, can't wait for next week! :)

[KKOB]

its very Russell T Davies-hes great, very talented, gay, funny, slightly cheesey, and a HUAGE dovtor who fan! so glad he was chosen to write most of the key episodes.

plus david tennant is so hot as the doctor! the christmas invasion episode was brilliant and he played it so well! cocky and smart and ummpppffff lmao

him aside billie's good in it and the story is amazing especially as you never know what'll happen next as they're travelling through space time and could stop anywhere!!!

love it! :D

christopher eccleston was a lil straight for a bisexual doctor AND i cant wait for the spin-off with jack as the lead!

[harribo]

Surely this is gonna bring up the debate on whether Billie Piper is fit again?

[KKOB]

what does everyone else think about the tennant as the doctor and just generally?

[Big Red]

i thought the last guy was brilliant.................but i never realy liked pilly piper when she first came about but for some reason she just looks so hot at the mo.................er what is this strange feeling in my pants towards pilly piper shes not even hot.................but the man down stairs does dictate now and then................why me

[KKOB]

dont worry Big Red the same thing happens with me and David Tennant or tentment as i like to call him on account of what happens to me when i droll at him!

[Tellyn]

I have been waiting for this for a year.... FACT: Peter Kay will appear in episode 8 I think.

[KKOB]

another peter kay cameo! wow thats makes 1,294 so far! lol

[Dan Dare]

bring it on. The new dr who has kicked so much ass

[Tellyn]

Peter Kay should make a movie, he's ace.

[KKOB]

he prob will! he made a dvd- to go off topic i prefer his stand up stuff to the cameos and max and paddy/pheonix nights stuff-anywho . . .

back to the good doctor!!! :D and billie . . . . (groan) hehe :D

[Tellyn]

Apparently Captain Jack will return in the new series, as well as having a dark alien investigation series on BBC three towards Q3/4. I just watched the episodes on UK TV GOld today, Simon Day from the Fast Show was the blue dude in End of the WOrld?

[Big Red]

i want to see more darlics more darlics i tell ye

[KKOB]

theyre not in the second series apparently but the robomen aka the tin cans are!

[AshMat]

Oh yes bring on the smash robots. i mean robomen

@tellyn888:
Please god no, have we not heard enough of PK's repetetive-smaey jokes already, and the 2 voices he seems to have that barely change no matter what character he's doing.

[Big Red]

Oh yes bring on the smash robots. i mean robomen

@tellyn888:
Please god no, have we not heard enough of PK's repetetive-smaey jokes already, and the 2 voices he seems to have that barely change no matter what character he's doing.


think that because he has such a thick accent or just thick you decide:indeed:

[Tellyn]

Do my ears deceive me? Cheese? Cake? The cake of cheese?

Hehe, ok I'll stop now. COUGH GARLIC BREAD COUGH!

Peter Kay is doing serious acting in this though. K9 makes a return in this series. The last episode in the series is called Doomsday... I can think of at least ten storylines in my head.

[AshMat]

think that because he has such a thick accent or just thick you decide:indeed:
I don;t get it, are you taking the mick of him?

and again @tellyn, the garlic bread/cheese cake voice is one of those that makes me want to stuff a big stick of garlic bread down his throat

[Big Red]

Do my ears deceive me? Cheese? Cake? The cake of cheese?

Hehe, ok I'll stop now. COUGH GARLIC BREAD COUGH!

Peter Kay is doing serious acting in this though. K9 makes a return in this series. The last episode in the series is called Doomsday... I can think of at least ten storylines in my head.

peter kay gets squashed by a big alian pie

is that one

[Hamish]

The new series has:

Cybermen
Werewolves
Peggy Mitchell
2 Alien Planets
Satanists from Space
Peter Kay
Mickey becomes and companion
Alternative Realities
Queen Victoria
Alien Monks
K9 and Sarah Jane Smith!
Evil Teachers
Cat People
The Return of Lady Cassandra
Maybe a Dalek (still very much rumoured)
And according to RTD, the biggest cliffhanger at the end of the series in film and television history. :D

Bring on Saturday to start it all. :)

[KKOB]

woot :D:D:D

[Big Red]

hell yeh the return of cat people they used to scare the crap out of me in the origanal

[Bowser57]

Knock knock!
Who's there?
Dr!
Dr Who?
*Punch*

[Big Red]

I don;t get it, are you taking the mick of him?

and again @tellyn, the garlic bread/cheese cake voice is one of those that makes me want to stuff a big stick of garlic bread down his throat


nor do i

him me and any one else with a strong accent

i am from the north not to far from mr kay


i love that joke i havent heard it since i wore shorts and braces

[rokhed00]

Meh, it'll never hit the heights of the golden pertwee/baker years again.

[Jordan]

Rock on 2006!!! The year of this queer!!!

From TakeoMiyazaki, is there any need to be this "in your face" about being gay?

I have nothing wrong with people who are, one of my best friends is but just because you are doesn't mean you have to go around flaunting it...

[KKOB]

if you knew me you'd know that i dont 'flaunt' being gay, as in i aint a screaming inyour face attention seaking annoying gay guy, but this year has just been brilliant and i couldnt think of anything snappier to have down there and queer rhymed lol i did it in january and i just havent bothered to change-can you think of an alternative?

[Big Red]

isnt this apart of being gay the fact that they dont think the same and say things that we dairnt.

so if your not gay it will seem like they just dont care and its because they dont. so deal with it or go live in manchester, soho or brighton then it will be all so clear and no im not queer but have an understanding of life (my uncles gay) hehe and i live in brighton

[KKOB]

brightons nice! and my uncle is gay too so it aint like an uber special thing for me-the whole comment thing is just because at the start of this year i felt empowered to not be treated like crap so i felt that the comment below fitted that whole idea.

no biggie-its not like its in 12foot pink glittery writing with a naked angel beside it! lmao

now that would be in your face!

anyway back to doctor who!!! :D

[triforce_keeper]

well can you stop saying david tennant is hot eww it makes me cringe.....oh and i love dr.who its brilliant! And Billy Piper :D:D:D she is SO fit! lmao who else thinks she is fit (apart from TakeoMiyazaki)

[KKOB]

i'll stop saying that david tennant is fit if you stop saying biliie piper is!

deal?

seeing as everyone knows who's in the new series-what old characters would everyone like to see in the 3rd series of doctor who?? :D:D:D

(please no more comments about billie piper being fit or stuff about me being gay. its a dr who thread after all! and maybe there should be two new threads about billie piper and being gay?!?! just a thought lmao)

[triforce_keeper]

ok sorry Rakeo :P I would like to see something like bad wolf written everywhere, cuz that was well good and freaky! oo what about a doctor who revolution game :O

[rokhed00]

what old characters would everyone like to see in the 3rd series of doctor who?? :D:D:D


What would be the point, it isn't really Doctor Who anymore.

[KKOB]

no but its fun to bring back new versions of old baddies! :D

and the bad wolf thing was totally awsome! it would be great if the second series had a big long conspiracy thing going on as well!

[rokhed00]

If they had to bring anyone in from the oldl Doctor Who it'd be the Master, but they can't do that as they killed him off in that shitty 1999 TV movie.

I tell you, I watched the three doctors this morning, then half a dozen episodes of the rose tyler show, there was no comparison, special effects aside, the old Doctor beats the new in every department.

BTW, David Tennants Doctor just looks like a turd coloured spiv.

[Big Red]

i'll stop saying that david tennant is fit if you stop saying biliie piper is!

deal?

seeing as everyone knows who's in the new series-what old characters would everyone like to see in the 3rd series of doctor who?? :D:D:D

(please no more comments about billie piper being fit or stuff about me being gay. its a dr who thread after all! and maybe there should be two new threads about billie piper and being gay?!?! just a thought lmao)


hey hey i never said she was fit i just said she gave me the twitch:grin:

[triforce_keeper]

lmao big red she givs me the full ona flavour ( sorry dunno whether you have seen that advert lol)

[Jack]

From TakeoMiyazaki, is there any need to be this "in your face" about being gay?
Half the fun of being gay (or bisexual in my case) is that you get to do it in people's faces.

[KKOB]

Half the fun of being gay (or bisexual in my case) is that you get do it in people's faces.

true but lets save that for people i hate and complete strangers! :D

the amount of times i've kissed a guy infront of a group of chavs just to see what'll happen . . . it was so fun! :D

anyway!

Tennant is a cool doctor, younger more charming than chrisopher eccleston-and thank god the leather jankets gone lol bring on the converse shoes hehe

and you cant really compare the new series to the old ones because their made for different generations.

[Jack]

Tennant's only had twenty odd minutes of screen time so far, so we can't really judge him on that. Mind you, Ecclestone's set the bar tremendously high. I've no doubt Tennant can reach that - after all, he was in the 2005 special of The Quatermass Experiment. That was mostly running down corridors, which is all you need for Doctor Who!

[Hamish]

I think the new series has all the magic, humor, charm and ... wonder of the old series. I loved the old series and think the new series is just as good. People who disagree are usually (usually) just trying to find cons, because they don't want to like the new series.

[rokhed00]

I think the new series has all the magic, humor, charm and ... wonder of the old series. I loved the old series and think the new series is just as good. People who disagree are usually (usually) just trying to find cons, because they don't want to like the new series.
What complete and utter bollocks, I wanted to like the last series, but they changed the whole dynamic of the show to focus on Rose Tyler, probably for the sole reason to establish Billie Pipers acting career. Hopefully seeing as they're ditching her this series the focus will go back where it belongs, on the Doctor, but I've got this horrible feeling a good portion of the series will be devoted to publicising the Captain Queer spin off. Personally I don't see what everyone sees in Russel T Davies as a writer, I could script a much better series of Doctor Who.

[Ashley]

Hopefully seeing as they're ditching her this series the focus will go back where it belongs, on the Doctor, but I've got this horrible feeling a good portion of the series will be devoted to publicising the Captain Queer spin off. Personally I don't see what everyone sees in Russel T Davies as a writer, I could script a much better series of Doctor Who.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds31067.html

From what little I've seen of the new Who, he seems to have been inspired by Whedon, the random quips and silly humour of Dr Who (Eccelson) is like a hyrbidisation of a few Buffyverse characters. Although you have to give Davies credit for Queer as Folk, good scripted drama.

[KKOB]

What complete and utter bollocks, I wanted to like the last series, but they changed the whole dynamic of the show to focus on Rose Tyler, probably for the sole reason to establish Billie Pipers acting career. Hopefully seeing as they're ditching her this series the focus will go back where it belongs, on the Doctor, but I've got this horrible feeling a good portion of the series will be devoted to publicising the Captain Queer spin off. Personally I don't see what everyone sees in Russel T Davies as a writer, I could script a much better series of Doctor Who.

jesus is wrong of me to take offence of that Captain Queer comment!

firstly, captain jack is a good character and john barrowman who plays him is a fantastic actor-hes done so many other things from oklahoma to period dramas! oh and dancing on ice . . . anyway . . . yeah john is gay but he's playng a bisexual character and arent we forgeting the doctors bisexuality!?!?!

secondly, russell t davies is great because he is a fan, and his writing style is unique-corny at times but tongue in cheek with some genuine heart felt and dramitic moments littered through! his style helps people to deal with heaveir topics-i mean the first episode with the dalek was a very emotional and scary for the kids. he just knows what he needs to do to engage the audience.

plus the whole bad wolf thread through the first series was great even if it did focus on rose it had the heart of the tardis as the main feature and rose is more a device to help the audience engage with the show and relate to a character thus making them feel emotionally connected to rose in this case.

whew-i need a lie down . . .

[rokhed00]

arent we forgeting the doctors bisexuality!?!?!


Please, do remind me, I'm pretty sure I've watched every episode from way back when it started with William Hartnell and not once have I seen him have intimate relations with anyone of any gender (apart from that crappy 1999 movie, but that doesn't count).

[Ashley]

Please, do remind me, I'm pretty sure I've watched every episode from way back when it started with William Hartnell and not once have I seen him have intimate relations with anyone of any gender (apart from that crappy 1999 movie, but that doesn't count).

Spose you could chalk it up to a change in society and what the public is willing to be shown. I think it would be kind of weird if anyone on tv now (without very good reason) was asexual.

(Cause I can't be bothered to check myself). How many episodes are there in the first (new) series? Just watched the double part invasion in London thing, and want to finish them all but im annoyed Teleport doesn't seem to have recorded the Christmas invasion which was repeated tonight wasn't it? Hope it records the new season.

[KKOB]

Please, do remind me, I'm pretty sure I've watched every episode from way back when it started with William Hartnell and not once have I seen him have intimate relations with anyone of any gender (apart from that crappy 1999 movie, but that doesn't count).

the doctor in the new series is definatly portayed as being bisexual-speculatively

there was definatly something going on between him and rose and captain jack.

[Hamish]

A lot of Doctor Who fans can't understand the difference between Soap and Drama.

They think that just because the character which brings all the spaceships and aliens down to earth has a mum, a boyfriend and a home it is instantly a soap opra. This is wrong. It gives the show a fresh new dimension that, although different to the old series, helps us relate to the different things we see.

The new series is much more like the vey first series, when the companions and the Doctor were equal. This is a much better format as the viewers can be the companion. It is hard to understand but it is a vast improvement to the old demonating Doctor.

Billie Piper is staying on for a Third Series which I am glad about. She is as important as the Doctor in this new series.

Also, the Doctor isn't bisexual as such, but Cpt. Jack is from a time where pretty much everyone is bi because in the future everyone becomes more open and relaxed about such things. The Doctor understands this and happily does playful banter with Jack.

I know a lot of Doctor Who fans (I'm Mr. 5 on Outpost Gallifrey Forum BTW) and their is a divide between the fandom. You either love it or you hate it (the new series I mean) but the ones that hate it are mostly the ones that feal the old series as theirs and not of the BBC's and that nobody can ever change it.

Also, rokhed00, you set you could script a better Doctor Who series, then go on. :D Fine, I won't do that. But why not say 13 episode ideas for a new series. I garentee that your anwsers will be a Canival of Fanwank!

[Tellyn]

Yeah, go on, write us thirteen 45 minute episodes of Doctor Who and I bet they're nowhere near as good as Russell's. I watched Doctor Who night yesterday, twas quite good! Anyone watched the Tardisodes?

[Jack]

I don't think the Doctor is bisexual. I think the Doctor's certainly an open and friendly character, but other than the fact that he has a granddaughter, there's probably not been much time (hah) for full on romance in the TARDIS.

[rokhed00]

the doctor in the new series is definatly portayed as being bisexual-speculatively

there was definatly something going on between him and rose and captain jack.

That doesn't really count, I consider the new series as nothing more than fan fiction with the BBCs backing.

Yeah, go on, write us thirteen 45 minute episodes of Doctor Who and I bet they're nowhere near as good as Russell's.

You give me the time, money and backing that the BBC gave him and I'll get started on it straight away.

[KKOB]

You give me the time, money and backing that the BBC gave him and I'll get started on it straight away.

but it'll just be fan fiction :P hehe

[Arragaun]

I'd love the time, money and backing of the BBC. I'd do something really useful avec it as well, such as document the arguments that internet forumers have, and how they have neither right nor wrong answers to anything.

[rokhed00]

but it'll just be fan fiction :P hehe
Yes, but there wouldn't be any badly hidden agenda though.

[Ashley]

Just watched the finale. Can't see how anyone could think The Doctor is in any way bisexual. One little joke with Captain Jake does not a bisexual make.

Anyway re: the finale, I liked it. I love the overwhelming feel of something big going to happen. Although "super Rose" was very Goddess Willow-ish, with the eyes and the vibrant white/gold colouring. Plus the kiss, psh, that was so Cordy and Doyle.

But as I said, liked it. And im guessing what Rose meant by "I am Bad Wolf" (someone was asking) is that the time vortex had been placing these messages as a warning, and as Rose figured out it is not to show danger, but rather to show a link. She used it to figure out what to do to save the day. Actually this is a better way to explain it:

Start with Rose and Mickey sitting in the car park in the final episode.
Now Rose could have given up trying to get back and led a nice life with Mickey.

Then she sees "Bad Wolf" written all over the car park and also remembers seeing it throughout all of series one in different times and places.

She realises that it is herself from another time and place (IE her killing the Darleks that hasn't happened yet) sending herself a message.

Realising that this is a message from herself that she (in that time and place) hasn't done yet, it must mean that she does go back (or needs to go back) to the "Bad wolf" corporation.

So she does and saves the world!

From a poster at DigitalSpy (http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=362799)

[Hamish]

The New Series looks so much better though. :wink:

[KKOB]

yeah it does! i think tennant will be the beter doctor but eccleston still did a great job. is it strange that i'm looking forward to torchwood nearly as much as i am the new series and about the same as the new series or lost :S:S:S

maybe i'm ill *cough cough* :S

[Tellyn]

It's Doctor time!

EDIT: Wow, that was brilliant! The acting was superb, loved the evil Rose and Lady Cassandra. The guy who played Chip was also quite talented, nice storyline. Great ending.

FAVE QUOTE: "I've got curves, its like living in a bouncy castle!"

BTW EDIT: Rokhed00, I'd like to prove to you that it can be done without money and funding, I'm writing my own script.

[The Peeps]

I don't think that episode did anything to clear the Doctor of being bisexual lol - referring to when Cassandra first possessed him.

[Hamish]

Great. Really good.

I love it. Smashing.

"I'm beating out a samba"
"I've got a head full of big face"
"Oh my God I'm a Chav"
"That's text-book enigmatic"
"Yep...still got it..."
"The flesh is free!"
"It's like being inside a bouncy castle!"

[Jack]

I love the little bits of silly dialogue. It's a nice touch.

"I'd put the shop there".

[Hamish]

The next episode looks pretty fine and spooky.

[Jordan]

Warewolves... always good.
Great episode, good dialouge, great plot idea.

I hope the series continues this strong.

[Tellyn]

Now I have to wait for the next Face of Boe story. :( Any ideas if it'll be this series? And where did he go?

[rokhed00]

Meh, 'Green Death' was better this morning.

[Jack]

Alright, we get it, you don't like anything new. Meanwhile, this looks fucking awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BustV-Z4b4g

[gaggle64]

Now I have to wait for the next Face of Boe story. :( Any ideas if it'll be this series? And where did he go?

I'll bet they're saving him for when the Doctor finally pops his clogs. Probably as a plot device to keep the show going I'll wager. Rememeber the Doctor can only regenerate 12 times. We're up to what now, number ten?

EDIT: K-9! Whooo!

[Tellyn]

He can only rgenerate 12 times? What idiot came up with that? That means the series is going to end on the second successor of David Tennant!

[Ormingstoke]

He can only rgenerate 12 times? What idiot came up with that? That means the series is going to end on the second successor of David Tennant!

3rd successor, he's regenerated 9 times so far. 13 lives, we're on number 10.

TimeLords can fix it though, they offered the Master another regeration cycle, I'm betting the Face of Boe's secret has something to do with the TimeLords.

I thought last night was pretty good, not the best, but loads of fun.

There are always going to be people that bitch about this new version of the show, gives them some sense of superiority that "their" version of the show was better. You know, it is possible to like both the old and the new.

[Cube]

I love the little bits of silly dialogue. It's a nice touch.

"I'd put the shop there".


And the place he points to is where a shop is in the Wales Millennium Centre (where the scene was filmed)

[Sarka]

I didn't like the origianl Dr Who and I hated Saturday night's one.

Ending was very bad, Vanessa (was it? I dunno) jsut suddenly changed her mind for some reason. Just suddenly not scared of death, that doesn't just happen. the way everyone was healed and everything was fine just really annoyed me! ARG

[Tellyn]

They were healed because the people who were drenched touched them with the cure still on their hands. The cure was strong enough to act on touching the skin.

[Ashley]

Ending was very bad, Vanessa (was it? I dunno) jsut suddenly changed her mind for some reason. Just suddenly not scared of death, that doesn't just happen.

I thought it was because she possessed Chip she got some of his personality, or at least enough to not be afraid of death any more.

[KKOB]

I thought it was because she possessed Chip she got some of his personality, or at least enough to not be afraid of death any more.

very true! becuase chip was only a 'half life' (whatever that is nowadays) and i think it was cassandra could read chips thoughts-maybe she suddenly got a heart when she saw what a pityful thing she had created or maybe it is like Ashley said-done to some personality swappage.

ho hum, either way i was right about david tennant :D what a good doctor!

love it when he goes all manic and crazy when he solves something, gets angry or saves everyone lol

yay for the next episode-though i am unsure about another vistorian setting but it does look good-a lil hound of the baskervilles-y :D

[Hamish]

I wasn't sure about the Cybermen (thought they looked too clunky) until I saw that click on the BBC Red Button Interactive clip. They looked terrifing.

And the monks look so OTT, I LOVE DOCTOR WHO! How it can get away with just stupidity.

[gaggle64]

He's a time-traveling alien Anglo-phile in a magical flying phone box constantly fighting creatures with similar powers. I'd say it's a fairly open-plan format.

[CooInTheZoo]

David Tennant has a girlfriend

i'm filled with strange dissapointment

[KKOB]

David Tennant has a girlfriend

i'm filled with strange dissapointment


i know!!! :P

[rokhed00]

i know!!! :P

Do you cry yourself to sleep about it every night?

Personally I don't see the point of sexual fantasies involving celebrities (even C-list ones) they only end up in disappointment.

[Tellyn]

Why disappointment? How about realisation? It's pointless because there is NO CHANCE. Well 99.9% anyhow.

[KingJoe]

I could get through a doctor who thread without talking about my sexuality. Why don't the rest of us give it a try.

[Hamish]

This is a trailer for Series Two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BustV-Z4b4g&search=doctor%20who%20red%20button%20david%20tenna nt%20billie%20piper

Looks very cool. I had doubts about the Cybermen but I think they look terrorfying in this clip.

[Ashley]

Personally I don't see the point of sexual fantasies involving celebrities (even C-list ones) they only end up in disappointment.

Same reason people fantasise over "real" people who they could never get either.

[KKOB]

did rose's mother piss anyone else off in the first series and the christmas invasion? also whats the deal at the mo with rose and mickey?

btw i do enjoy the ignore list feature! :D

[Ashley]

did rose's mother piss anyone else off in the first series and the christmas invasion? also whats the deal at the mo with rose and mickey?

Not really, she was just an overworrying mother. I've got one. Seen far worse too (well fictional mothers anyway). And Rose and Mickey, I don't think shes told him they've broken up yet, the kid can't seem to figure it out himself.

[rokhed00]

did rose's mother piss anyone else off in the first series and the christmas invasion? also whats the deal at the mo with rose and mickey?

Wouldn't have been so bad if they didn't go back and visit them every couple of episodes. I know the Doctor has had strong contacts on earth before that he routinely visited, but that was a military outfit dedicated to fighting alien invasions, not some stupid chavs living on a council estate. They really have adapted the show to reflect society currently.

[Tellyn]

Looking forward to Tooth and Claw tomorrow, the website says "can anything prevent the Empire of the Wolf?" I know there's a wolf in it, but Empire? It's one wolf!

[gaggle64]

Also a load of weird Scottish ninjas by the looks of the preview. Should be good. Only Doctor Who could pull this stuff.

[Tellyn]

Those are actually Alien Monks. Hehe... monks...

[gaggle64]

Scottish werewolves, Queen Victoria, alien ninja monks... could this get any better?

[KKOB]

Scottish werewolves, Queen Victoria, alien ninja monks... could this get any better?

the dr doing a sherlock holmes impression would top it off lol

[Hamish]

Yeah. I wonder if they will crack a Bad Wolf joke.

Wouldn't have been so bad if they didn't go back and visit them every couple of episodes. I know the Doctor has had strong contacts on earth before that he routinely visited, but that was a military outfit dedicated to fighting alien invasions, not some stupid chavs living on a council estate. They really have adapted the show to reflect society currently.

Is that your quarrel with it? That the show is not stuck in the 70's anymore and has been adapted for modern viewing?

Not every one who lives in Council Estates are chavs you know. I love all the background stuff with Rose and her family. If it weren't there, I would wonder what the hell her family would be wondering if she just slipped out of excistance. It adds an extra needed level to Doctor Who.

Oh, and after the Christmas Invasion, I think Mickey and Rose got back together, and Mickey joins the TARDIS team in Episode Three. So we'll have to see how their relationship continues on from there.

[rokhed00]

Is that your quarrel with it? That the show is not stuck in the 70's anymore and has been adapted for modern viewing?


No, it's the way it's been done.
Apart from the time the Doctor was exiled to earth he rarely visited earth more than a couple of times a series, and even then very rarely in the same time period. In the last series did we even get one episode that wasn't based on or around earth? I don't remember one. The doctor is also a space traveller as well as a time traveller you know.
Then there's the standard of the company he's keeping and how much is focused on them, you can argue all you like that it's a plot device to get the youth of today interested in the show but really, do they need to put so much of the onus on them? I don't think so.

End of the day the new shows aren't in the same league as the old ones. You can watch the old ones now and say the new one's are much better, but unless you were a kid in the 70's, 80s or even 60s watching the shows airing for the first time then you don't have an objective view of how great they really are.

[Hamish]

No, it's the way it's been done.
Apart from the time the Doctor was exiled to earth he rarely visited earth more than a couple of times a series, and even then very rarely in the same time period. In the last series did we even get one episode that wasn't based on or around earth? I don't remember one. The doctor is also a space traveller as well as a time traveller you know.
Then there's the standard of the company he's keeping and how much is focused on them, you can argue all you like that it's a plot device to get the youth of today interested in the show but really, do they need to put so much of the onus on them? I don't think so.

End of the day the new shows aren't in the same league as the old ones. You can watch the old ones now and say the new one's are much better, but unless you were a kid in the 70's, 80s or even 60s watching the shows airing for the first time then you don't have an objective view of how great they really are.

I was a huge fan of the show in the 80s and have loved watching the older episodes. They are great.

The reason why the first (or as I am talking to you, the 27th) series never went to an alien planet was that, quite frankly, those episodes arn't as interesting. I mean, when the Doctor asked Rose to come with him in a spaceship in the first episode she said no. But when he said it also travels in time, she went with him.

Most humans would prefer to go into time rather then into space. The second series goes to two alien worlds. New Earth and an unamed one which is bet to be horrifing. Unless manking isn't involved in some way, then it just isn't really that interesting. We don't get the scale, the threat or anything if it is aliens being invaded by aliens.

Just because the new series has evolved and changed doesn't mean that makes it worse. I think it gives it extra depth. Saying that it is different to the old series shouldn't be a bad thing. It is a good thing. Times change, people change and television changes and it isn't always for the worse.

[Tellyn]

Earth was a main focus of the first series because the Doctor was brought there because of the Auton threat, and also brought Rose. Rose wanted to come back to see her family and friends occasionally as she missed them, and she won't have wanted to go too far away from her planet, in case she died and was an unknown body in a different world.

[rokhed00]

Most humans would prefer to go into time rather then into space.

That's debatable, in the real world maybe, but when confronted with an alien inviting you to visit other worlds then things would probably be different. I know personally I'd be more interested in visiting other worlds, messing around with history can be dangerous and I'd rather leave the future unknown.

Unless manking isn't involved in some way, then it just isn't really that interesting. We don't get the scale, the threat or anything if it is aliens being invaded by aliens.

Been plenty of humans in space in past episodes, that's the beauty of a time and space craft, almost any situation is possible.

Just because the new series has evolved and changed doesn't mean that makes it worse. I think it gives it extra depth. Saying that it is different to the old series shouldn't be a bad thing. It is a good thing. Times change, people change and television changes and it isn't always for the worse.

Just as it isn't always for the better. If you took away all the flashy special effects and replaced them with effects from 30 years ago these new episodes wouldn't stand up so well on the strength of the stories alone.

Earth was a main focus of the first series because the Doctor was brought there because of the Auton threat, and also brought Rose. Rose wanted to come back to see her family and friends occasionally as she missed them, and she won't have wanted to go too far away from her planet, in case she died and was an unknown body in a different world.

They aren't real you know, they don't have free will, it's all down to the script writers and what they want.

[Jack]

End of the day the new shows aren't in the same league as the old ones. You can watch the old ones now and say the new one's are much better, but unless you were a kid in the 70's, 80s or even 60s watching the shows airing for the first time then you don't have an objective view of how great they really are.
Bollocks to that. Me and my brother have been collecting Doctor Who stories, be they TV shows, the Big Finish audios, books, whatever, before the new series was even announced. Just because we didn't see them the first time round doesn't mean we can't like the old stuff. The new series had some mediocre bits, certainly, but there's been just as many duff moments in the old shows, and a couple of the best Who moments have been in the new stories. I'm of the opinion that "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" is one of the finest Who stories. It's right up there with "The Green Death" and "The Horror Of Fang Rock". And would you look at that? Those stories are all set on Earth! It doesn't matter where Doctor Who takes place. If you want a sci-fi wankfest with alien armies and space armadas, go and watch Stargate.

[rokhed00]

Just because we didn't see them the first time round doesn't mean we can't like the old stuff.

No it doesn't, but it does mean you can't appreciate how good they were for the generation they were intended.

The new series had some mediocre bits, certainly, but there's been just as many duff moments in the old shows, and a couple of the best Who moments have been in the new stories. I'm of the opinion that "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" is one of the finest Who stories. It's right up there with "The Green Death" and "The Horror Of Fang Rock". And would you look at that? Those stories are all set on Earth! It doesn't matter where Doctor Who takes place.

Of course it doesn't matter where it's all set, but the only other time an entire series was set on earth was in the Troughton/Pertwee years, and do you know the reason for the exile storyline, a budget cutting move. There's no excuse now with all the money they are spending and the over the top special effects they are doing not to have more stories set elsewhere.

If you want a sci-fi wankfest with alien armies and space armadas, go and watch Stargate.

What, you mean like the Dalek invasion finale from the last series?

[Jack]

No it doesn't, but it does mean you can't appreciate how good they were for the generation they were intended.

Well, doy. I don't have time travel capabilities. I do have friends who grew up with Who before I was even born though, so I can get a smidgen of that.

Of course it doesn't matter where it's all set, but the only other time an entire series was set on earth was in the Troughton/Pertwee years, and do you know the reason for the exile storyline, a budget cutting move. There's no excuse now with all the money they are spending and the over the top special effects they are doing not to have more stories set elsewhere.

You'd rather have them going to alien planets simply because they can afford to? I don't care where the show is set, as long as I get a story I enjoy.

What, you mean like the Dalek invasion finale from the last series?

I was quite happy with that one, actually. The ending was a bit "deus ex machina", but I thought it was great on the whole. Certainly it was better than "The Dalek Invasion Of Earth".

[rokhed00]

Well, doy. I don't have time travel capabilities. I do have friends who grew up with Who before I was even born though, so I can get a smidgen of that.

Still, it's not the same and really is something you'd have to have been there yourself to appreciate fully.

You'd rather have them going to alien planets simply because they can afford to? I don't care where the show is set, as long as I get a story I enjoy.

No, not because they can afford to, but just because they can. All I'm saying is that bar the exiled years Doctor Who was just as much about space as time travel. No reason why it can't go back to it. Plus, variety is the spice of life, constantly returning characters and locales does tend to get stale.

I was quite happy with that one, actually. The ending was a bit "deus ex machina", but I thought it was great on the whole. Certainly it was better than "The Dalek Invasion Of Earth".

So, you can have big alien invasions and massive alien space fleets without ruining the show then, so why the objection to the idea?

[Jack]

No, not because they can afford to, but just because they can. All I'm saying is that bar the exiled years Doctor Who was just as much about space as time travel. No reason why it can't go back to it. Plus, variety is the spice of life, constantly returning characters and locales does tend to get stale.

Oh, I don't doubt that there's been some cracking episodes outside of the Earth sphere. I just don't think the location's a big deal for the show.

So, you can have big alien invasions and massive alien space fleets without ruining the show then, so why the objection to the idea?

I'm not objecting to it, I just think that shouldn't be the focus of the show. One thing which I love about Who is that it has excellent dialogue and character interaction, and isn't just "zomg here comes a fuck off massive alien fleet, better get the giant lasers out again".

[rokhed00]

Oh, I don't doubt that there's been some cracking episodes outside of the Earth sphere. I just don't think the location's a big deal for the show.

But, like I said, variety and all that. Even such a major location based show as Eastenders or Coronation Street takes the show on location now and again.
I just think it's holding the show back, plus fucking around with earths history like that isn't really on, you can get away with involving unknown people and places and lesser known histotical figures to a lesser extent but when you start having things as ridiculous as, let's say, Queen Victoria being chased by Werewolves and alien ninjas then it just gets farcical. The old Doctor may have dabbled in earths history a bit, but never anything as far fetched as that.

I'm not objecting to it, I just think that shouldn't be the focus of the show. One thing which I love about Who is that it has excellent dialogue and character interaction, and isn't just "zomg here comes a fuck off massive alien fleet, better get the giant lasers out again".

It doesn't have to be the focus though, you can do alien planets without the whole blockbuster space war thing. I'm yet to hear a convincing reason for not having more space travel in the show, just unconvincing reasons why it doesn't really matter.

[Jack]

You can get away with involving unknown people and places and lesser known histotical figures to a lesser extent but when you start having things as ridiculous as, let's say, Queen Victoria being chased by Werewolves and alien ninjas then it just gets farcical. The old Doctor may have dabbled in earths history a bit, but never anything as far fetched as that.

We're talking about a show where the main characters fly through space and time in a bright blue police box. I think it's been established that Doctor Who has something of a fanciful element to it.

It doesn't have to be the focus though, you can do alien planets without the whole blockbuster space war thing. I'm yet to hear a convincing reason for not having more space travel in the show, just unconvincing reasons why it doesn't really matter.

Fair enough, I guess we'll just have to disagree here.

[rokhed00]

Another classic story this morning, 'The Time Warrior'.
First appearance of Sarah Jane Smith (odds are better than her next appearance), debut of the Sontarans, a much under rated species who would be most welcome if returned. A perfect example of how the Doctor can visit earths history without causing any ructions.
It's stories like this that show up the new shows for what they really are.

[Hamish]

Well to make you happy the new series goes to two alien planets. The second of which is meant to be one of the most dangerous and "tough" planets the Doctor has been to. Called "the Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit"

[Tellyn]

Rokhed, I admit that some little kids haven't seen the old ones and if they were shown them then they would say "this looks old" or "this isn't good", but like you said it was written for a different generation. The kids have been born into a world of special effects and CGI. I like watchign the old episodes on UK TV Gold , but the old series was written for a different generation than the new series, which is why kids wouldn't appreciate it.

Yeah I'm looking forward to the second alien planet, isn't Roger Llyod Pack supposed to be a villain in that? Peter Kay reappears as a villain in another episode. I'm looking forward to Doomsday, the last episode which is supposed to have the mother of all cliffhangers at the end.

[KKOB]

wow!!! really enjoyed that episode! :D

loved the doctors wandering accent and billies nakedness lol
the person who played queen vic was surprisingly good! anyone else agree?

'we are not amused!' hehe

[Tellyn]

Yep, Queen Victoria was also in Shirley Valentine, as Shirley. I liked how they worked Torchwood into it. Watch the Tardisode for Episode 3 and you see that Mickey is denied access to look at UFO landing footage at a school by Torchwood. But brilliant episode!

EDIT: After watching the Confidential, I think Doctor Who should be shown at a later time if it means more effects to make it scarier. After all they can show the editted version to kids the following day.

[Nintendork]

It was alright tbh.

[EEVILMURRAY]

David Tennant is the sex, but I'm worried he'll be typecast. He was great in Casanova.

[Tellyn]

I don't see the winged aliens for School Reunion being quite scary, their faces look like an old man on steroids.

[rokhed00]

EDIT: After watching the Confidential, I think Doctor Who should be shown at a later time if it means more effects to make it scarier. After all they can show the editted version to kids the following day.


You're forgetting, it's a kids show, always has been, always will be. For it's target audience I'm sure it's plenty scary enough. If it's not scary enough for you go watch a horror movie instead.

Tonights episode wasn't too bad, but the whole stupid 'we are not amused' coercion thing should never have made it into the script. And what's with all the 'Oooh we met Queen Victoria' and 'Oooh a werewolf', I can accept that the doctor has regenerated in to someone young, but does he have to act like a kid as well as looking like one. Looks like the 'torchwood' thing is going to be this serieses 'Bad Wolf', which is no doubt going to climax into something ridiculous in the last episode. Next week doesn't look to hot either, what's it called again 'school dinners' or something. And Sarah Jane Smith should be shot for the state she let K9 get into.

[Tellyn]

Rokhed, first of all I'm allowed to voice my opinion without you telling me to go watch something else. YOU are the oe that has been whinging for FIVE pages of this thread about how rubbish the new series is and how you remember the golden days, now I have a suggestion, ad I've tried to hold it back for this long... YOU SHUT UP AND GO WATCH ANOTHER BLOODY PROGRAM!

Anyway, back to topic. Each Doctor is allowed to have his own personality, he's still the Doctor but each actor is allowed to make the Doctor their own. David Tennant portrays him in his own way. Oh, and I think the Torchwood thing isn't a conspiracy, they wouldn't have revealed it before the series began if they wanted a build up. And somehow I don't think Torchwood, led by Captain Jack, will cause the apocalypse in the final episode.

[Jack]

Torchwood's no big secret - it's the "Captain Queer spin off", as you so eloquently put it.

[Hamish]

Torchwood is an innstitute of alien study, like a British Area 51. They made that flipping great big laser in the Christmas Invasion and are built on the cobalt pyramids (said by Anne Droid. :D)

They will have a part in the series but I think the spin off is more of a "so, what did they actually do" and you won't need to watch it to enjoy the main event.

[Cube]

Loved the episode, and the plot was well though out. The random comments, like "Oooh we met Queen Victoria" and "Oooh a werewolf" are cool too. It's called personality, and shows that these people are interested in some things. Its better then "A Warewolf. How do I kill it?".

The way they also mention things from now (like "Balamory" - the only thing related to "a kid's program" in Dr Who) is also ace.

Can't wait for the next one.

[rokhed00]

Rokhed, first of all I'm allowed to voice my opinion without you telling me to go watch something else. YOU are the oe that has been whinging for FIVE pages of this thread about how rubbish the new series is and how you remember the golden days, now I have a suggestion, ad I've tried to hold it back for this long... YOU SHUT UP AND GO WATCH ANOTHER BLOODY PROGRAM!
Why the hell should I, and as for your opinion, thinking they should change the show to something it's not and never will be is just stupid. The suggestion that if you want something scarier that you should watch something that is scarier is just common sense, to expect a kids show to change to suit your wishes is just ridiculous. And the fact that you're even suggesting it just goes to prove at least one of my points, it is all about the CGI and special effects now, in my day everyone was happy with the crappy rubber costumes, papier mache models, low grade explosives and drawn on laser beams. Now, even with the ridiculous amount of effects in the show you're still wanting more. Also goes to prove another theory of mine, the youth of today don't know when they're well off.

[Cube]

Why the hell should I

Well, you obviously hate the new series of Doctor Who, so why do you watch it?

[rokhed00]

Torchwood's no big secret - it's the "Captain Queer spin off", as you so eloquently put it.

There's another of my theories proved right then, they are using the show to plug the spin off.

Well, you obviously hate the new series of Doctor Who, so why do you watch it?

I don't hate it, I just don't like what they've done with it, I watch in the vain hope that they eventually get it back on track to what it once was.

[Mike]

I thought that was a great episode tonight - much better than last week's 'safe' series opener. A well-paced story, some good lines, and some interesting plot twists. The only thing I didn't really like was how Torchwood is being shoved down our throats. I hope it's left alone for a bit, and not mentioned Bad Wolf-style throughout the series.

I'm definitely enjoying the new Doctor, by the way - I like that he's more light-hearted than the last one, although I hope he can do the serious bits as well as Doctor 9 did when required.

[Ashley]

There's another of my theories proved right then, they are using the show to plug the spin off.

Makes business sense.

Anywho, it was alright. The directing was dire. Im not usually one to care but awful awful work. Don't really have much to say about the episode itself. I liked how David Tennant jogged on the spot when talking about jogging, nice touch. Im liking Ten, hes fun. Although whats with the emoesq glasses?

Next week, ASH :D

[KKOB]

I don't hate it, I just don't like what they've done with it, I watch in the vain hope that they eventually get it back on track to what it once was.

stop living in the past!!! things change and everyone has their own opinions about wether the change was for the better or worse. what would be truely terrible is if the new series stuck strictly to its roots, its a new doctor who for a new generation! and like you said its made primarily for children in the 21st centuary! its not the 70's anymore and kids are alot harder to please now. thats just the way it is!

if you want the old doctor who watch all the repeats or videos which you prob have which were made more for your generation or like you mentioned before fan fiction is the way for you perhaps. most people can see and appreciate what the bbc and russell t davies are doing with the show and just enjoy it for the entertainment its meant to be. theres no need to be so consistently negative about something. make the comment once and move on-you may actually enjoy it if you drop the seriousness and bitter feelings. just enjoy it for what it is or, liek what yu wrote above rokhed, dont watch it! simple!!!

(sorry for any errors! tis late and i'm stressed with physics coursework!)

[Hamish]

I loved Billie in the lunch room in the preview. Looks hilarious.

Oh, and I love his glasses. When he puts them on, you know he's working it out.

But, major plot hole...what happened to the monks?? They killed the werewolf but did the monks just disappear?

[Tellyn]

Rokhed, don't whinge about it on here, write to Rusell T Davies if you hate the stories. AS far as I'm concerned you're a bitter man who lurks in the past hoping that Doctor Who will go back to the 70s. Not gonna happen unless he travels there in the Tardis.

[triforcemario]

But, major plot hole...what happened to the monks?? They killed the werewolf but did the monks just disappear?The chances are that when they finally realised the werewolf was dead, they just gave up, realising that if theres a mind (the doctor) powerful enough to realise how to defeat the werewolf, they would have very little chance.

[Hamish]

A K9 Animated TV Show has been announced. Oh god.

It will be shown on CBBC later this year.

[KKOB]

A K9 Animated TV Show has been announced. Oh god.

It will be shown on CBBC later this year.

:S now THAT is going too far! . . . i am stunned!

[Arragaun]

The chances are that when they finally realised the werewolf was dead, they just gave up, realising that if theres a mind (the doctor) powerful enough to realise how to defeat the werewolf, they would have very little chance.
But there were tons of the monks, and they all had guns. An unarmed genius versus a dozen men with guns does not offer good odds.. for the genius.

[Cube]

Their aim was to take control of Queen Victoria - not assassinate her.

[gaggle64]

Rokhed, don't whinge about it on here, write to Rusell T Davies if you hate the stories. AS far as I'm concerned you're a bitter man who lurks in the past hoping that Doctor Who will go back to the 70s. Not gonna happen unless he travels there in the Tardis.
What would be REALLY funny if that was to become a major two-parter for series 3.

But there were tons of the monks, and they all had guns. An unarmed genius versus a dozen men with guns does not offer good odds.. for the genius.
The same genius that succesfully defeated an entire armada of Daleks? I wouldn't bloody mess with him.

[rokhed00]

What would be REALLY funny if that was to become a major two-parter for series 3.


The same genius that succesfully defeated an entire armada of Daleks? I wouldn't bloody mess with him.


Wasn't he meant to go back to the 70's last week but set the timer 100 years out?
Yeah, some genius.

[Cube]

It was a TARDIS malfunction. Or perhaps it has a mind of its own at times.

[rokhed00]

It was a TARDIS malfunction. Or perhaps it has a mind of its own at times.


No, it wasn't, he set the timer for 1879 instead of 1979, he said so himself.

[EEVILMURRAY]

Will the Tardis change? It looks like a shitty plater of paris plant. The Paul McGann one was quality.

[KingJoe]

wasn't K9 in the TARDIS in the xmas special? and wasn't the doc chuffed to find him in the tardis? or was that a preview for the next series?
I prefer Eccleson to Tennant- but I'm just living in the past.

esit: and isn't it an act of utter idiocy to have both cliffhangers and trailers for the next show- it spoiled a few episodes of the last series. One or the other, chaps. Have the cake or eat it.

[Ormingstoke]

A K9 Animated TV Show has been announced. Oh god.

It will be shown on CBBC later this year.

It'll be shown on Jetix, it may never air on terrestrial, and if it does it could end up on CITV or C5, the BBC have no involvement in this show.

If they have to have a K9 show I'm glad they've done it this way, both in the visual style and the fact that the BBC don't have a hand in it, it's clearly seperate from the main show. Another, live action spinoff would have been seen as milking it too much, this show will probably be forgotten by the masses after 1 or 2 episodes have aired.

[Tellyn]

I see what you mean about cliffhangers, I remember the episode before Bad Wolf showed the Dalek armada in the trailer going "EXTERMINATE!" though they didn't appear until the last five minutes. Major spoier.

[Hamish]

I love the Tardis. I love how it is falling apart and the control panel is made up of bits and bobs that the Doctor has collected over the years. Loose wires hanging out everywhere. Little time is spent in there in the show as the writers what to get them out to get on with the story, but I think it is genius. Better than in other shows with perfectly polished space ships.

[Ashley]

Better than in other shows with perfectly polished space ships.

*cough*Stolen from Firefly*cough*

Did I say something? :p

[Ormingstoke]

*cough*Stolen from Firefly*cough*

Did I say something? :p

Heh.

The new console room seems to have been inspired by the old TARDIS, it's '96 regeneration, Serenity (it's falling apart), and Moya (it's alive).

It's a beautiful design, I just wish they'd spend a bit more time in there.

[Hamish]

*cough*Stolen from Firefly*cough*

Did I say something? :p

I was thinking more of Red Dwarf with digny but it is a different kind of broken and dirty.

It's more ... alien. Like nothing makes sence. The bigger on the inside trick, the circularness (umm...not a word), the coral, the eerie lights and the custom controls.

Though I also like the earthness (I just really stop inventing words) of it. The post-it-notes, the wires, the wardrobe and the TV.

[rokhed00]

The BBC really aren't milking the new doctor, are they?
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9118/bbcmilkingit7dg.jpg
This isn't Morecambe and Wise you know.

[Cube]

Cool box.

But a bit expensive (£10.99 on play). But then, most TV DVD's are

[Sarka]

Cool box.

But a bit expensive (£10.99 on play). But then, most TV DVD's are

But it's only the Christmas edition and the Earth episode... for more than a tenner, come on BBC! I didn't watch it last week, and I think it's finally got me out of the habit of watching a boring, horrible overrated program that I don't like! :yay:

[Tellyn]

Antony Head should be good in it, he was on Entertainment Today this morning.

[rokhed00]

Antony Head should be good in it, he was on Entertainment Today this morning.

Why, last thing he was good in was the gold blend ads.

[Ashley]

Why, last thing he was good in was the gold blend ads.

So you've seen Buffy, Little Britain (urgh) and the plays hes been in?

[Ormingstoke]

Tony Head was fantastic in Buffy, so much so that saying the last thing he was good in were the the gold blend ads is just bloody stupid.

Tomorrow will get brilliant ratings, Sarah Jane Smith and K9 to bring in the fans of the old show that don't like the new one (fools), and Tony Head to bring in the Little Britain and Buffy fans (we Buffy fans follow their casts whereever they go).

[Ashley]

(we Buffy fans follow their casts whereever they go).

Personally I won't be watching White Noise 2.

[Ormingstoke]

Yeah, but he was only in 5 episodes of Buffy.

[Jack]

The BBC really aren't milking the new doctor, are they?
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9118/bbcmilkingit7dg.jpg
This isn't Morecambe and Wise you know.
Company in promoting product shocker. Really, what the hell did you expect? An advert for the Tenth Doctor's series, but with a picture of Tom Baker on the cover?

[rokhed00]

Company in promoting product shocker. Really, what the hell did you expect? An advert for the Tenth Doctor's series, but with a picture of Tom Baker on the cover?

No, for the RRP of £15.99 I expect more than 2 episodes.

[Jack]

Then don't buy them. You're not being forced, and they'll be in the boxset complete with commentaries and Doctor Who Confidential episodes.

[Sub-Parable]

No one is forcing you to buy it. Just buy the box set for a worthwhile price when it comes out.

In any case, tonight's episode was easily the best I've seen in a long time. It wiped the floor with "New Earth" and was significantly better than "Tooth and Claw", which I thoroughly enjoyed, in fairness to RTD. It combined adventure, humour, nostalgia and a plethora of uproarious emotions into the tightest script possible. I think David Tennant has finally settled down and made the role his own and we're all better off for it.
Edit: Beat me too it :).

[Cube]

http://www.deffryvaleschool.org.uk/index.shtml

A website "about" the school the episode was filmed in.

[Hamish]

No, for the RRP of £15.99 I expect more than 2 episodes.

The Christmas Invasion was 1 Hour long where as other episodes are 45 minutes.

That episode was great wasn't it. Antony Head was brilliant and I bet that Sarah Jane works for Torchwood.

[rokhed00]

Then don't buy them. You're not being forced, and they'll be in the boxset complete with commentaries and Doctor Who Confidential episodes.

It's the principle of it though, I already have to pay to watch the show as it is due to the licence fee and then they charge ridiculously high prices for the DVD too. The fact that one of the shows on the DVD was only on the telly 2 weeks ago also smacks of moneygrabbing. Did they do that with the last series, release the DVDs when the show was still on the air?
The fact that the Sun were giving away free Doctor Who DVDs last week just makes this seem even worse.

[Ashley]

Yeah, but he was only in 5 episodes of Buffy.

And 13 episodes of Firefly and of course the BDM.

Anywho. Nice episode. Although knowing RTD likes Buffy I keep drawing parallels (the "how can I go back to normal life" of SJS and Rose went through during the finale last year is very Buffy in 'Helpless' and the "I'll never grow old, you will" between The Doctor and Rose is Buffy/Angel) but im sure similar storylines existed before Buffy.

Yeah as I said, good episode. Although as nice as it was to see serious/creepy ASH, I prefer to see him goofy, he does it well. Shame he didn't get hit in the head. K9 was cool, as far as robotic dogs go. He seems suited for a kids TV spinoff. And seeing SJS and Rose bonding was quite nice.

[Tellyn]

The Christmas Invasion was 1 Hour long where as other episodes are 45 minutes.

That episode was great wasn't it. Antony Head was brilliant and I bet that Sarah Jane works for Torchwood.

I thought that about Sarah Jane too! :) Has she signed up for Torchwood?

[Hamish]

I jolly well hope so. Torchwood may be a must watch then.

Oh, and last year the DVDs were released while the show was still on, just like with all shows which get released in parts (Lost to name but one). Those are Vanilla DVDs so you can just wait till the Boxset at the end of the year (although you won't be getting it as you hate it).

Yeah, the last episode was great. For some reason I loved the music for Mr. Finch.

[Tellyn]

Yeah I wonder if that'll be the conspiracy music for this series. The last series had it all the way through, and it appeared on Time Vortex bits like when the Doctor breathed out the gold vortex.

[Hamish]

There was a variation of that theme when Sarah Jane saw the TARDIS. It was scarier though.

[21st century cowboy]

I didn't think I like David Tennant as the Doctor but I think he does well with all the different aspects of the character.
With all these 'vanilla' discs they're releasing it probably would be cheaper to just buy a Sky+ box and store them on there till the box set comes out.
I don't really know ought about the Tourchwood series apart from that Captain Jack is in it. Has it released when it is going to be shown?

[Tellyn]

Torchwood is going to be aired in Autmn 2006.

[rokhed00]

Anyone else think Captain Sp >cough< Jack doesn't fit in with Torchwood?
He was/is a happy go lucky conman/mercanary type, seeing someone like that hook up with a black ops government organization is about as likely as, let's say, Russel T Davies scripting/producing a decent episode of Doctor Who

[Tellyn]

Rokhed Russel can write good stories, don't knock them because they're new.

[rokhed00]

Rokhed Russel can write good stories, don't knock them because they're new.

I'm not, I'm knocking them because they're not up to the standard I'm used to.
Nobody complains when people badmouth the remaking of a classic movie, this is no different.

[Ashley]

Im sure they'll have a reason for Captain Jack to be involved with Torchwood that'll be explained. I always thought he would be investigating the institute, not working for them. Although just read about the series and they keep saying its a load of renegade investigators CSIng, so they could go either way.

[rokhed00]

Im sure they'll have a reason for Captain Jack to be involved with Torchwood that'll be explained. I always thought he would be investigating the institute, not working for them. Although just read about the series and they keep saying its a load of renegade investigators CSIng, so they could go either way.

Maybe it's like 'The Fugitive' and he's the one being investigated.

[KKOB]

I'm not, I'm knocking them because they're not up to the standard I'm used to.
Nobody complains when people badmouth the remaking of a classic movie, this is no different.

back here again are we?! <groans>

accept the fact that you dont like this udated version of doctor who and move on! dont keep posting stupid jibes at the new show because you've already made your point more than perfectly clear!

[Jack]

Anyone else think Captain Sp >cough< Jack doesn't fit in with Torchwood?
He was/is a happy go lucky conman/mercanary type, seeing someone like that hook up with a black ops government organization is about as likely as, let's say, Russel T Davies scripting/producing a decent episode of Doctor Who
Jack is missing two years of his memories. He discovered they'd gone when he was a Time Agent, so he left to become a con artist. That was all mentioned in "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances".

[rokhed00]

back here again are we?! <groans>

accept the fact that you dont like this udated version of doctor who and move on! dont keep posting stupid jibes at the new show because you've already made your point more than perfectly clear!


Nobody complains when people badmouth the remaking of a classic movie, this is no different.

You don't like it, you know where to go, where many others have.

[er-no]

Project One is better than Dr Who (shit loads better).

*points to his own banner*

Come on.... :)

[Tellyn]

You don't like it, you know where to go, where many others have.

Rokhed, please stop lurkig in the past. Time has moved on, you hate the new generation, we get it, now go buy a classic Doctor Who DVD and sit in your living room watching it all alone while the Earth evolves around you.

[rokhed00]

Rokhed, please stop lurkig in the past. Time has moved on, you hate the new generation, we get it, now go buy a classic Doctor Who DVD and sit in your living room watching it all alone while the Earth evolves around you.
You obviously don't get it.
And like I said, you don't like it, you know where to go.
I am as entitled to my opinion as Takeo is to express his wish to stick his cock up David Tennants arse.
Get used to it.

[Jack]

Did a guy try to kiss you and you got frightened, or something? You seem awfully paranoid.

[Cube]

Anyone else think Captain Sp >cough< Jack doesn't fit in with Torchwood?
He was/is a happy go lucky conman/mercanary type, seeing someone like that hook up with a black ops government organization is about as likely as, let's say, Russel T Davies scripting/producing a decent episode of Doctor Who

Good point. "decent" is far below the standard of the eposides of his that I have seen, which have all been "great". So, making one thats only "decent" would be very rare.

[rokhed00]

Did a guy try to kiss you and you got frightened, or something? You seem awfully paranoid.

Why would I be paranoid about other peoples sexual fantasies?
I don't have a problem with anybodies sexuality, it's just I thought this was a thread about Doctor Who, not a Russel T Davis/David Tennant arse kissing thread.
Obviously I was wrong.

Good point. "decent" is far below the standard of the eposides of his that I have seen, which have all been "great". So, making one thats only "decent" would be very rare.

There's no accounting for taste I suppose, if you think continuity errors, gurning celebrities and flashy effects are a good substitute for strong storylines then I'm not going to question your standards.

[Ashley]

There's no accounting for taste I suppose, if you think continuity errors, gurning celebrities and flashy effects are a good substitute for strong storylines then I'm not going to question your standards.

With a show thats been on for as long as Doctor Who has, its going to be hard to keep it tightly consistant, but im not sure if you mean minor slip ups, or huge gaping errors. Not that much of a fan to notice really.

Stunt casting is unfortunatly part of TV nowadays, some shows get cool people (Scrubs namely), some get Paris Hilton (VM unfortunatly. that was unpleasant)

Flashy effects, I agree with you, are often overused and can cause poorer storylines. Wouldn't say I've really felt that too much in Doctor Who, but again, not really that arsed to pick faults.

Not sure if I agree with your or not... ah well.

[Cube]

There's no accounting for taste I suppose, if you think continuity errors, gurning celebrities and flashy effects are a good substitute for strong storylines then I'm not going to question your standards.

Well, the storylines (in my opinion are strong). Also, (even tho i havent seen a Dr Who before the 10th Dr) i dont wee how the continuity errors can be bad. But then...i watch Star Trek.

Also, after a 10-second search. There seems to be a few continuity errors in the old series 1 and 2, and i cant be bothered looking further.

[Hamish]

The Cybermen two party (Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel) as been acclaimed as one of the greatest of the series by people who went to see the preview last night.

Reviewers have said that if you have hated the series so far (and were a fan of the original series) then you'll love this.

The Girl in the Fireplace looks good as well.

[Ormingstoke]

The Cybermen two party (Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel) as been acclaimed as one of the greatest of the series by people who went to see the preview last night.

Reviewers have said that if you have hated the series so far (and were a fan of the original series) then you'll love this.

The Girl in the Fireplace looks good as well.

Where are these reviews? I can't find any in the normal places.

[Tellyn]

Rokhed, most problems in this topic are down to you. This is not a Russel T Davis suck up thread, but he wrote Doctor Who episodes and the idea is to talk about him too. Please let people have an entitled opinion.

[rokhed00]

Rokhed, most problems in this topic are down to you. This is not a Russel T Davis suck up thread, but he wrote Doctor Who episodes and the idea is to talk about him too. Please let people have an entitled opinion.
OK, Mr Sycophancy.

[DazDude]

Seems ninty get a bit of retro advertising on saturday :grin:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/s2_04gallery/1024/tardis_crew.jpg

Mickey in one of the retro t-shirts :P

Looks a good ep anyway!

[Ormingstoke]

He was wearing it in the last scene in the TARDIS last week too, so either this weeks is set straight after, or the guy doesn't change his shirts.

[Hamish]

Where are these reviews? I can't find any in the normal places.

I'm a member of Outpost Gallifrey, a Doctor Who forum and number of members went to see it.

[Tellyn]

*******! You and the E3 ticket guy are on my list!

[arab_freak]

Over the years religion has played a big part in almost every aspect of life. It is the cause of many wars and a way for people to find comfort after the death of a loved one or some other disaster.

Despite this no one can agree on one true faith. People fight and die for what they belive to be the real path to the afterlife. Some don't belive in an afterlife, some have no god, some can't even be called religions (i'm looking at you, scientology).

It has been used to control people many times in the past, fear of eternal damnation has convinced many a dark age peasant to obey the church without question.

All of this is about to change.

Major world leaders have finnaly agreed that evidence of a other worldy being that we should all worship is infact real. This evidence isn't new either. Some existed in the 60's and can be found if you look hard enough but the build up of this evidence has increased in recent years.

This being doesn't seem to be all powerful as the traditional vision of god shows. It doesn't have a long white beard and a toga on. It appears to look very similar to the average human, although it does change form from time to time.

This could also prove the previously dismissed as insane theorys that god is infact an extra terestrial being, (alien, to all those less educated), right. He seems to depend heavily on technology, despite having some above human abliltys.

While no first hand contact has been made offically several people claim to have met this being, others even say they have traveled with him. This could explain alien abductions aswell.

Now i'm sure many of you are wondering about that evidence. It ranges from eye witnesses to photographs to film, and I am lucky enough to have secured a picture of his preffered mode of transport.

Enjoy.

http://newgrounds.com/bbs/user_images/pics/1/8772000/ngbbs445b799c1d2c2.jpg

[KKOB]

this thread is awesome!! it has provided me with so many hours (about 3) of laughter and good ol fashioned entertainment! long may it continue! well until series two finishes at least lol

is it wrong to be really looking forward to torchwood? just hope it has the same humour/horror slant that doctor who has

in unrelated news . . . 4 days to go :D

[Hamish]

Noel Clark (Mickey Smith) is writing an episode of Torchwood. Noel said that Torchwood is like Doctor Who, but much more for adults. This isn't saying that Doctor Who is a kid's show, but that DW is for the whole family and Torchwood is scarier, sexier and is more like a British X-Files.

He also says that you will not have to watch Torchwood to miss out on it's relevence to Doctor Who and visa versa.

[Tellyn]

Nice post arab freak. And 4 days until what?

[arab_freak]

I don't even know what Doctor Who is. Is it some kind of anime?

[Tellyn]

Are you serious? Have a look on this site. http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho

[Ashley]

And 4 days until what?

Day before the VM finale?

Are you serious?

Hes just joking.

[Sarka]

There's no accounting for taste I suppose, if you think continuity errors, gurning celebrities and flashy effects are a good substitute for strong storylines then I'm not going to question your standards.

I completely agree. The storyline is poor, just basic action really. With some attempted kinda extra bits that try to sound clever. I dunno, what to call it, there's an annoying thing that seems to happen alot, examples will be best:

"I thought the [thingy] screwdriver could open anything?"

"Not this specific item!"

Stuff like that annoy me greatly for some reason!

[arab_freak]

Hes just joking.

Actually, I wasn't. I just read the Urban Dictionary definition.

[Tellyn]

So you'd prefer no danger, the Doctor finds an alien, shoots it, and goes on to another place?

[Jack]

I completely agree. The storyline is poor, just basic action really. With some attempted kinda extra bits that try to sound clever. I dunno, what to call it, there's an annoying thing that seems to happen alot, examples will be best:

"I thought the [thingy] screwdriver could open anything?"

"Not this specific item!"

Stuff like that annoy me greatly for some reason!
They've never said the Sonic Screwdriver can open anything.

[rokhed00]

This isn't saying that Doctor Who is a kid's show

It is a kids show, always has been, always will be.

[Cube]

It is a kids show, always has been, always will be.

It's as much of a kids show as Star Trek....

[rokhed00]

It's as much of a kids show as Star Trek....

Exactly, only people interested other than kids, are big kids.

[Tellyn]

So, you in other words Rokhed, talking about the old show all the time?

[Cube]

Exactly, only people interested other than kids, are big kids.

As in most people who watch it arn't kids.

[Hamish]

It is a kids show, always has been, always will be.

It is and always has been a FAMILY show. There are parts for the whole family.

Why is it that just because it has bits that kids like, it means it is a kids show?

Oh, and I am not really interested in arguing with you (or anyone for that matter. Arguing over the internet is like the Special Olympics. Weather you win or loose, you're retarded) but I don't go in to rap threads (I hate rap) just to say "Oh, you kids don't know what it's all about with your rap music. You never heard classical!" It's the same thing your doing.

I just think you are wasting your time. Lots of people think the new series is crap. Lots of people think bear is crap, or long hair, beards and tattoos. Loads of people think dogs are crap. Lots of people think Xbox and Wii is crap. Many people think that Stargate is crap, and Jesus is crap and Octopi is crap and Emoticons are crap and Light bulbs are crap and Godzilla movies are crap...

But on the other hand, lots of people like those things, and nobody will change there mind. You can voice your opinion, but you see to be insulting the fans and telling us to change our mind. You're like a Cyberman ("YOU WILL BE LIKE US!").

You're not going to change our minds. Many classic series Doctor Who fans love the new series and a few (it is less, that’s a fact) dislike it. Just let people live there lives and stop forcing your opinions into people’s face.

[The Peeps]

Yes it's a family show :) and a very good one at that. I thought tonights episode was brilliant.

[KKOB]

tonights one was very sad though-wasnt as action focused as the previous three episodes but good! makes you think how alone the doctor truely is

[kyletherobot]

i dont watch it normally but it was quite good tonight, i liked the black guys NES t-shirt.
i totally agree with rokhed to be honest, it is 100% a kids and big kids show. im going to watch next week for the cybermen though. :)

[rokhed00]

i totally agree with rokhed to be honest, it is 100% a kids and big kids show.

It is, just some people aren't comfortable watching a kids show once they consider themselves grown up and have to call it a family show.

[gaggle64]

I really enjoyed tonights episode. Low on action, but very well scripted and D.T. looks like he's finally cracked the Doctors character. I feel like the series has finally taken off. Just lovely, wonderful sci-fi drama. Great performance from his lass too. Now eagerly awaiting next weeks episode. I don't care if it's a kids show. It's fantastic. If that makes me a kid, I don't ever want to grow up. It's just great, great television and sci-fi.

[Supergrunch]

It is, just some people aren't comfortable watching a kids show once they consider themselves grown up and have to call it a family show.

It's definitely a kid's show, but that doesn't mean they don't put jokes in for adults watching. Also, few kids will appreciate the references to the old doctor who's. (I know some of these references screw up continuity etc.)

[Tellyn]

Very good episode last night, this may backfire but I think Rokhed might even have enjoyed it. Brilliant storyline, very sad, and loved the cheesy horse scene.

[gaggle64]

I missed the first 15mins. Where did he get the horse from? I presume it was on the ship.

I also thought the final twist as to why they wanted her brain in particular was quite clever.

[rokhed00]

I also thought the final twist as to why they wanted her brain in particular was quite clever.

You're kidding, right? That was one of the bad points, along with the unecessary romance, and the doctors newly invented telepathy. Robots that are cold and ruthless enough to use the body parts of the passengers to repair the ship I can accept, robots that pursue one individual through time for no given reason I can accept, but robots that are so stupid they think the best possible match for the ships computer is the brain of the person it was named after is just ridiculous.

Next weeks does look better, highly reminiscent of the Dalek invasion of earth, but a little plagiarism isn't a bad thing considering the stories they managed to come up with on their own.
I'm not too keen on the new look Cybermen either, aswell as making them look worse they seem to have done a 'dawn of the dead' on them too. Cybermen never used to move that quickly.

[Tellyn]

That's because they are new Cybermen, if you watch the Tardisode, the main idea is an UPDATE which I assume is to turn all human life into Cybermen.

[rokhed00]

That's because they are new Cybermen, if you watch the Tardisode, the main idea is an UPDATE which I assume is to turn all human life into Cybermen.
Still look like crap compared to the classic skin tight silver suit and classic helmet, they've been going downhill since then.

[KKOB]

Still look like crap compared to the classic skin tight silver suit and classic helmet, they've been going downhill since then.

still being all teary eyed about the past?! awww didums!

[Hamish]

You're kidding, right? That was one of the bad points, along with the unecessary romance, and the doctors newly invented telepathy.

Time Lords have always had telepathic powers but they have not been explored much in the series.

There was a time when regeneration was a "newly invented" plot devise. There was a time when the Sonic Screwdriver was a "newly invented" idea. If we don't discover new things that the Doctor can do, then the series would go no where. We would just have repeats of the same plots.

Robots that are cold and ruthless enough to use the body parts of the passengers to repair the ship I can accept, robots that pursue one individual through time for no given reason I can accept, but robots that are so stupid they think the best possible match for the ships computer is the brain of the person it was named after is just ridiculous.

Why is it that all enemies that the Doctor faces have to be intelligent monsters with a clever plan of destroying the earth. These robots were scary as they were stupid and stuborn...two things that don't mix well. I thought that this was the high point of the episode.

Next weeks does look better, highly reminiscent of the Dalek invasion of earth, but a little plagiarism isn't a bad thing considering the stories they managed to come up with on their own.

The episode is based on the BigFinish Audio "Spare Parts" and explains the origins of alternate Cybermen.

[rokhed00]

still being all teary eyed about the past?! awww didums!

No, I'm all for change, if it's for the better, the cybermen have been on a slippery slope for quite some time appearance wise. It's not just their latest incarnation that has disappointed.

Time Lords have always had telepathic powers but they have not been explored much in the series.

There was a time when regeneration was a "newly invented" plot devise. There was a time when the Sonic Screwdriver was a "newly invented" idea. If we don't discover new things that the Doctor can do, then the series would go no where. We would just have repeats of the same plots.


Still, a bit convenient, it's something you'd have thought he would have used at least once in the last thirty odd years, it's certainly something that would have come in handy.


Why is it that all enemies that the Doctor faces have to be intelligent monsters with a clever plan of destroying the earth. These robots were scary as they were stupid and stuborn...two things that don't mix well. I thought that this was the high point of the episode.


No arguments on the stupidity, but they can't have been that stubborn as they gave up pretty easily at the end without even looking for a way back.


The episode is based on the BigFinish Audio "Spare Parts" and explains the origins of alternate Cybermen.

Still, very reminiscent of the Dalek Invasion. Both invade earth, mainly London, both convert humans for their use, robomen isn't a million miles away from Cybermen, and if the Cybermen plan on pulling a Mondas on Earth then they'll be converting the planet for interstellar travel, just as the Daleks planned to. Wether or not it's done conciously there's still some plagiarism going on there by the looks of things.

[gaggle64]

I must ask rokhead, why exactly do you watch it?

[Tellyn]

Oh god not again...

[gaggle64]

Oh god not again...
I will admit I feel as if I've let my curosity get the better of me.

[Jack]

You're kidding, right? That was one of the bad points, along with the unecessary romance, and the doctors newly invented telepathy. Robots that are cold and ruthless enough to use the body parts of the passengers to repair the ship I can accept, robots that pursue one individual through time for no given reason I can accept, but robots that are so stupid they think the best possible match for the ships computer is the brain of the person it was named after is just ridiculous.

The Doctor being able to see into Madame de Pompadour's mind isn't something that's just been made up on the spot. The Doctor says Time Lords are telepathic in "The Deadly Assassin", and the Second and Third Doctors could telepathically talk to each other in "The Three Doctors".

The romantic part didn't seem too out of place to me either. A big theme of this series so far has been mortality - the reason the Doctor left Sarah Jane was because he didn't want to watch her grow old and die while he lived on for hundreds of years more. And then along comes a girl (a French girl, no less, lucky bastard) who has some kind of mental gift in that she could make a two-way mental connection when the Doctor was peering into her mind. I can't remember the exact dialogue from the episode, but I think the Doctor said he'd never experienced that before. When the Doctor leaves the Madame, there's an accelerated example of the exact thing he doesn't want to experience - time passes by and claims human life while he goes on living.

And, the robots weren't being stupid. They can't be stupid. They don't have intelligence of their own, and got to the conclusion of needing the Madame's brain in a cold, logical way. I'll admit, it was a little daft, but that's what Doctor Who's about - daftness with heart.

[Ashley]

Well The Doctor did say he doesn't enjoy using the telepathy too much (the emotional ramifications and all that). Granted its might be a Dues ex machina, but its not a flebotnam.

Anyway. Nice episode and um stuff. Sorry the only thing that grabs me is the Buffy line:

Buffy: "I'm the thing monsters have nightmares about."

But yeah, I liked it, but then im fairly passive. Unless its terrible its going to be alright.

[triforce_keeper]

im sorry if anyone has noticed already but if you go on the doctor who website and clcik o the girl in teh fireplace homepage look what mickey is wearing....... :D

[broadwayrock]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/s2_04gallery/800/mickey_rose2.jpg

[Hamish]

The Return of the Cybermen tomorrow!!

[KKOB]

was good! felt the acting was pretty bad by the support actors in the first few scenes but was loving the cybermen and how its an alternate reality and the doctor didnt expect things to be different!

anyway thats next weeks episode set up so expect to be knocked for six i say!

[Hamish]

I loved the bit with the "In the Jungle" song. Inspired.

[triforcemario]

Great beggining, and without a doubt, the best episode yet!

[Jack]

I thought there were quite a few duff bits, not least the first guy's death, but I liked it overall. All I really wanted was to have a setup for 45 minutes of all out non stop fucking Cyber-genocide next week.

[rokhed00]

A definite improvement, but still a bit meh.
The cybermen themselves just felt wrong, their voices were stupid, they seemed more like robots than proper cybermen, they're just meant to be emotionless people with robot bodies, not mindless robots in the shape of people. And I know they're alternate reality cybermen, but wasn't the transformation a little on the quick side, from people with earpieces to full fledged robots just like that.
And why, oh why, can't they ever visit earth, even in an alternate reality, without checking in on the Tyler family? The story could have easily worked without them if they'd stuck with Mickey and teamed up with Ricky, but no, it has to be all about Rose again.

I think the main problem is the weak writing though, I could overlook all the small faults and changes if only they had some strong stories. Battlestar Gallactica is a perfect example of where they remake an old show with some controversial changes (female Starbuck, human Cylons, etc...) but it actually works because it has a strong storyline and is well written, shame the same can't be said of Dr Who.

[Jack]

How fucking awesome would it be to find out that the reason Lumic was able to create such advanced cyborgs was because the actual Cybermen from Mondas gave him the technology in exchange for using Earth as a mass production facility for a Cyberman army?

[rokhed00]

How fucking awesome would it be to find out that the reason Lumic was able to create such advanced cyborgs was because the actual Cybermen from Mondas gave him the technology in exchange for using Earth as a mass production facility for a Cyberman army?


Highly unlikely though, cybermen helping a human?

Another thing I forgot to mention earlier, the new cybermens battlecry of 'delete', stupid voices aside I can't see it taking off, it just doen't have the ring of 'exterminate', does it?

[Tellyn]

Anyone else noticed how Torchwood has been mentioned in every episode to date? New Earth (sure I heard it in there somewhere), Tooth and Claw (Torchwood house is founded by Queen Victoria), Episode 3 (Mickey denied access on Tardisode to UFO pictures by Torchwood), Girl in the Fireplace (again I heard it), Rise of the Cybermen ("how's it going at Torchwood?") and The Christmas Invasion, Torchwood eliminated the Sycorax.

[Jack]

Highly unlikely though, cybermen helping a human?
If it gets them an army of six billion, I'm sure they would. Plus, Lumic doesn't want to die, so he'll probably end up becoming a Cyberman too.

[rokhed00]

Anyone else noticed how Torchwood has been mentioned in every episode to date? New Earth (sure I heard it in there somewhere), Tooth and Claw (Torchwood house is founded by Queen Victoria), Episode 3 (Mickey denied access on Tardisode to UFO pictures by Torchwood), Girl in the Fireplace (again I heard it), Rise of the Cybermen ("how's it going at Torchwood?") and The Christmas Invasion, Torchwood eliminated the Sycorax.
Yes, it's the worst case of subliminal advertizing known to man.

[Ashley]

Yes, it's the worst case of subliminal advertizing known to man.

Everything is subjective. You could say your signature is subliminally advertising beer. The Torchword institute could be important to a later (Doctor Who) storyline.

[Hamish]

A character in the last episode has been credited as Head of Torchwood.

However, who is Gemini? In that episode there was references to Gemini as a person...Maybe if there is an alt-Torchwood there is an alt-Doctor who might be played by Christopher Eccleston (very very very very doubtful though as he wants nothing to do with the show) or David Tennant.

Also, there were some more Cybermen suits made without the big Cybus logo on the front. It has been stated that there will be Cybermen not created by Lumic. Also, the synopsis for the final episode on Outpost Gallifrey is "the Cybermen find away into our universe with help from an old friend (well, enemy) of the Doctor." It has been widely rumored to be the Master, Davros, the Gealth and the Dalek Emporer (has been scene doing more recording in a studio however this has been regarded as just promotional footage or something) but perhaps it is the Mondas Cybermen.

Also, if there is an alt-Lumic, maybe there is a Lumic from our world. In the alternate universe he was creator of the Cybermen, in ours ... creator ... of ... the daleks! Aka Davros!!

Ooooooooooh Speculicious!!

I think the term "Delete" was rather rubbish but far better then old Cybermen catchphrases like "Excelette!" and "Eradicate!"

[triforce_keeper]

Anyone else noticed how Torchwood has been mentioned in every episode to date? New Earth (sure I heard it in there somewhere), Tooth and Claw (Torchwood house is founded by Queen Victoria), Episode 3 (Mickey denied access on Tardisode to UFO pictures by Torchwood), Girl in the Fireplace (again I heard it), Rise of the Cybermen ("how's it going at Torchwood?") and The Christmas Invasion, Torchwood eliminated the Sycorax.

i think its a bit like "bad wolf" being written everywhere in the last series.

anyway i guess mickey sacrificies himself by doing something to save the doctor and rose. Just a guess.....

[rokhed00]

A character in the last episode has been credited as Head of Torchwood.

However, who is Gemini? In that episode there was references to Gemini as a person...Maybe if there is an alt-Torchwood there is an alt-Doctor who might be played by Christopher Eccleston (very very very very doubtful though as he wants nothing to do with the show) or David Tennant.

Also, there were some more Cybermen suits made without the big Cybus logo on the front. It has been stated that there will be Cybermen not created by Lumic. Also, the synopsis for the final episode on Outpost Gallifrey is "the Cybermen find away into our universe with help from an old friend (well, enemy) of the Doctor." It has been widely rumored to be the Master, Davros, the Gealth and the Dalek Emporer (has been scene doing more recording in a studio however this has been regarded as just promotional footage or something) but perhaps it is the Mondas Cybermen.

Also, if there is an alt-Lumic, maybe there is a Lumic from our world. In the alternate universe he was creator of the Cybermen, in ours ... creator ... of ... the daleks! Aka Davros!!

Ooooooooooh Speculicious!!

I think the term "Delete" was rather rubbish but far better then old Cybermen catchphrases like "Excelette!" and "Eradicate!"

Would be nice to see the Master or Davros return, but I can't see it happening really.

Lumic may have been getting help from the Daleks though, as I've heard rumours of a future Dalek/Cybermen war, but how ironic would it be for the Daleks to be responsible for the creation of the cybermen. They are an even more xenophobic species than the cybermen, can't see them helping humans with anything really.

[Tellyn]

According to a trailer I've seen, Lumic has transformed his body into a Cyberman. Was it Hamish that said something about the Cybermen in the final two episodes?

[Cube]

Part 2 tonight. Can't Wait.

[harribo]

Torchwood is the name of the spin off show they're creating from Doctor Who not another Bad Wolf thing.

[Mike]

Torchwood is the name of the spin off show they're creating from Doctor Who not another Bad Wolf thing.

It's still a 'Bad Wolf thing' in the sense that the writers are trying to get it mentioned in almost every episode, if they can.

Anyway, I really liked tonight's episode. Shame they resolved the cliffhanger so easily, but apart from that, it was great. Lots of action and excitement, and a really well done ending.

[Ormingstoke]

Torchwood is the name of the spin off show they're creating from Doctor Who not another Bad Wolf thing.

According to the "Tooth & Claw" commentary it's both. Torchwood may be the name of the Captain Jack spinoff, but apparently they also play a large part in the finale.

[Hamish]

I loved this episode. In Parting of the Ways it never gave a good impression that there were loads of Daleks, but tonights episode really did.

Also, Torchwood features in the last episode. The episode description for "Doomsday" is "The cybermen appear in our universe with help from someone from the Doctors past..."

Could well be Jack. Look, Torchwood is featured in this series. It mainly features as "Queen Victoria founded it..." and "It is in the last epsiode." That is all casual viewers need to know. However, what happens in between this is the spin-off show "Torchwood."