The fight for the Moon

[ViPeR]

Recently there's been a lot of talk about NASA going back to the Moon. There they intend to build a lunar base (space 1999 anyone? yeh only a few decades too late) to launch future space missions to Mars. As I understand it, it's actually possible to purchase land on the Moon legally as this one site would suggest http://www.planetaryinvestments.com/. Does this mean if you owned a possible landing site that NASA would have to pay you for its use or would they simply ignore you as a court case on such a matter maybe be a trifle ridiculous. The obvious solution would be for NASA to buy land for the base. Though I find the fact that the Moon is even owned by person/s quite bizarre. Should we really be carving it up into sections creating yet even more reason for disputes between countries?

[Platty]

its quite sad that something as amazing as space travel and moon landings could end up causing dispute due to certain people/countries owning different parts of the moon, i hope it doesnt come to that but knowing the human race it will.

[bob]

Imagine how much money you could make if they had to buy your bit of land off you? Squillions, i would say.

[Blackfox]

I always thought that the companies that offered you slices of the moon were conmen? Therefore, NASA will just laugh at them.

[bob]

True, since they did not own the land to sell, the land has not officially been sold, and hence cannot belong to anyone.

[ViPeR]

I think it is pretty legitimate, I saw one magazine giving away a free couple of acres. Apparently governments can't own land on other planets but there's a loophole allowing individuals and companies to. All very stupid to me, i'd buy some for a laugh simply because it's like £15 for a football field size chunk of land but I don't think anyone takes it seriously... well I hope not for NASAs sake.

[kyletherobot]

meh space travel and exploration sucks, i dont think that the general public will be interested again until extraterrestrial life is found (read decpetion point by dan brown :)), or we are able to go into space for a couple of hundred quid.

[kav82]

Don't we just love the moon:

http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/

[EEVILMURRAY]

With the weather knocking seven shades of shit out of them I think there may be a more crucial use of such a large amount of money right now.

[SupaFry]

I don't get the whole purchasing land on the moon thing. Dosen't someone need to own the moon to be able to sell parts of it?

[RATM_4_EVA]

dosnt only the us onwn the moon, or part of it because of the moon landings?

[Lammie]

I'll sell the Sea of Tranquility for 50 bucks.........do I have any takers?

[Wesley]

Does this mean if you owned a possible landing site that NASA would have to pay you for its use or would they simply ignore you as a court case on such a matter maybe be a trifle ridiculous

It would be quite hard to prove that NASA landed on your bit of the moon.

I mean, it does look all the same now doesn't it.

[Bowser57]

The moon belongs to America, and anxiously awaits the arrival of it's astro-men.

[Jack]

The fight for the Moon's over - the Earth Alliance was beaten by ZAFT, and...

Shit, this isn't the animé topic. Bollocks.

[Eddage]

dosnt only the us onwn the moon, or part of it because of the moon landings?

No because it was all faked, hence why they're going back now - to actually land on it for real!

[ViPeR]

Personally I think the whole deal is ridiculous. However you know what most of the yanks are like, they'd probably try and sue NASA regardless. This is the same nation were people can sue McDonalds for making them fat...

[Shmotz]

This is the same nation were people can sue McDonalds for making them fat...

And for making drinks such as hot tea and coffee too hot. :blink:

[Lammie]

And for making drinks such as hot tea and coffee too hot.

I fear the day when white trash in Australia learn how to use the legal system....

[Schpickles]

I already own a patch of the moon! Here's hoping they decide to build on my site :)

I might be tempted to charge rent rather than sell up en-masse though.

[zatoichi]

Yes, it's also the same country with a chimpanzee for President. Jokes aside, a chimp could probably do a better job...

I'm more interested in Deep Space travel at the moment. I'm also more interested in developing new technology, to make rockets and shuttles and the like travel a helluva lot faster. I mean, to be honest, what else can we really find out by just missioning to our neighbours? I think funding should go towards working on a better propulsion system. Here are some good articles.

http://www.rednova.com/news/stories/1/2004/10/15/story001.html

http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/UFOpropulsionsystem.htm

Who knows, perhaps our own solar system will provide teh key elements we need to travel nearer the speed of light (which is 186,000 miles per second, the fastest space vessel that humans have launched traveled, at its fastest point, at 43.888rec miles per second.)

Space is t3h 0wnz.

[Charlie]

No because it was all faked, hence why they're going back now - to actually land on it for real!

Ooh, controversy.

My favourite part of the moon landing is seeing Armstrong climbing out of the Lander from the outside. Did they just lob the camera out and hope for the best or something?

[kopo]

Buying parts of the moon isn' t as stupid as you might think. Suppose in 100 years the moon starts to be inhabited and travel to it becomes as usual as plane travel. Then if you own 15 football fields of moon, you're rich. Well, you won't own them, your offspring will. So look at it as an investment for your future

[Bowser57]

Ooh, controversy.

My favourite part of the moon landing is seeing Armstrong climbing out of the Lander from the outside. Did they just lob the camera out and hope for the best or something?

They say there was a camera attatched to the outside of the landing craft.

[Charlie]

They say there was a camera attatched to the outside of the landing craft.

And the flag waving?

[Bowser57]

And the flag waving?

Something about it not waving IIRC, just creases in it.

I'm sure there are plenty of websites that have for and against arguments.

[Blackfox]

But at the end of the day, she decided to take a Class A drug. She wasn't forced, she chose to do it. If you don't want to face the conseqences, dont do it.

[Bowser57]

But at the end of the day, she decided to take a Class A drug. She wasn't forced, she chose to do it. If you don't want to face the conseqences, dont do it.

The moon took drugs? Photos please.

[Platty]

But at the end of the day, she decided to take a Class A drug. She wasn't forced, she chose to do it. If you don't want to face the conseqences, dont do it.

trying to do 2 things at once eh? or are you implying that kate moss is actually the moon ? if so nasa have got it sooo wrong.

[zatoichi]

haha, imagine the moon on acid. We'd have a multicoloured sky at night.

Pics plz. ;)


Anyway, back on topic... Wait, I don't think I have anything else to say..... Oh yeah, the speed of that vessel I said earlier, the one that went at 43.888rec miles per second, was accelerated greatly by the gravitational field of the sun which it was orbiting at the time, which is why it was going relatively fast.

[Platty]

Ooh, controversy.

My favourite part of the moon landing is seeing Armstrong climbing out of the Lander from the outside. Did they just lob the camera out and hope for the best or something?

d'ya know what ive always wondered that! first man on the moon but how the hell did they film him coming out of the craft form the outside eh?

yes yes camera attached to the craft etc but hmmm

[zatoichi]

Where exactly is the camera positioned? Surely you should be able to determine from the angle of the shot where the camera is placed?

[Platty]

by where he puts the flag? hehe...no no im not sure i havent seen it for a while....but i remember thinking it looks a bit dodgy

[Bowser57]

"The TV camera was stowed in an instrument pallet in the LM descent stage. When Armstrong was at the top of the ladder, he pulled a lanyard to swing open the pallet, which was hinged at the bottom. The TV camera, which was attached to it, also swung down. Buzz Aldrin then switched on the camera from the LM cabin. The camera was pointing at the ladder of the LM so that TV pictures of Armstrong's initial steps on the Moon could be relayed to the world. The camera was later removed from its mounting and placed on a tripod some 30 feet from the LM, where it was left unattended to cover the remainder of the moonwalk. "

Moon-hoax-me-don't (http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm)

[Shmotz]

There is that University somewhere in America that has quite strong evidence that they did happen.

Apparently the US planted laser reflectors on the moon in different places. This Uni has strong enough lasers to point at the moon, and it can receive a reflected signal. So, lasers don't just reflect of anything, so there has to be something up there to reflect the signal.

If anyone can find the name of the place and a bit more of the information it will make me stop sounding like a madman :)

[ViPeR]

Poor Blackfox :heh:. Ahh conspiracies, you gotta love em. Where exactly did they go then if it wasn't the Moon. Circled Earth a few times? Surely the journey of the rocket would have been tracked by telescope. I'm sure the Russians would have been the first to point out if there was any foul play at the time. I suppose all subsequent 'fake' misisons to the moon were for their own personal amusement and to waste the taxpayers money. Why fake it again and again when there's no need. Oh and the tradgedy of Apollo 13, where the pilots nearly died. All fake then I take it.

As for the ownership of the Moon, the human race is stupid enough to fight a war over it i'm sure. Total Recall stylee.

[Blackfox]

ahhhhh shit!

I was thinking that my reply got deleted from the Kate Moss topic. Sorry guys! :P

[mario114]

So who claimed the plots in the first place, as just cos one company sells them, how can they say it's thiers, maybe contrys will have certain parts, like the antartic were theres a british section for research and stuff.

[Smalldude76]

The moon took drugs? Photos please.

Who needs photos when we've got a game? :)
http://saria.coolfreepage.com/images/mm/moon.jpg

Screw the moon though, anyone heard about what they plan on doing to Mars? Apparantly they're going to diminish an already weak atmosphere to heat the planet up with greenhouse gases. Apparantly the stuff that's used to make circuit boards puts off fumes which are great for putting holes in our atmosphere so it should be great for putting them in Mars'.

It's almost too evil....
http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/1999/Jun-11-Fri-1999/photos/austin.jpg

[RATM_4_EVA]

Yes, it's also the same country with a chimpanzee for President. Jokes aside, a chimp could probably do a better job...


its been proven. :lmao:

[cheets]

the moon is the son of the earth, a mars sized planet hit earth when it was forming.

the moon controls the tides and we need the moon so we need to go back to playing golf on the moon.

[zatoichi]

.........Pardon?

[Lammie]

I think Cheets has been sniffing texta's again.

[Cheapshot]

I'm sure it didn't happen, for a start, you wouldn't cast a shadow on the moon like on the supposed footage of the "first man on the moon".

Arguments otherwise from America is just probably propoganda and maybe even came from orders of the government.

[Bowser57]

I'm sure it didn't happen, for a start, you wouldn't cast a shadow on the moon like on the supposed footage of the "first man on the moon".


How off Earth do you know what sort of shadow someone casts on the moon? Especially if you're saying the footage is fake.

Point us in the direction of some real footage we can believe that shows otherwise.

You'll be using Platty's argument of "but hmm..." next.

[Cheapshot]

How off Earth do you know what sort of shadow someone casts on the moon? Especially if you're saying the footage is fake.

Point us in the direction of some real footage we can believe that shows otherwise.

You'll be using Platty's argument of "but hmm..." next.

This came from a university.

The whole thing looked so fake in my opinion, it looked like a cheap movie set.

I never trust a thing the Americans say.

[RATM_4_EVA]

I'm sure it didn't happen, for a start, you wouldn't cast a shadow on the moon like on the supposed footage of the "first man on the moon".

Arguments otherwise from America is just probably propoganda and maybe even came from orders of the government.
That makes no sense.
Why wont you be able to cast a shadow? the sun shines light, something blocks light, and you have a shadow. whats so different that the moon cant show shadows.

[Haver]

I think Cheets has been sniffing texta's again.

You said that to me about three years ago on NintendoNow.

I. AM. ON. TO. YOU.

[thecreepingmess]

That makes no sense.
Why wont you be able to cast a shadow? the sun shines light, something blocks light, and you have a shadow. whats so different that the moon cant show shadows.

Obviously because the astronauts were vampires and vampires don't cast shadows.

[Haden]

This came from a university.

The whole thing looked so fake in my opinion, it looked like a cheap movie set.

I never trust a thing the Americans say.

Flawed, flawed and yep flawed. Everyone of those points is appaling. Did anyone watch question time and see that uber geek go on about how sep 11th the planes were not airliners but missiles and then Dimbelby destroyed him by saying I wonder who was making phone calls to their relatives. BOOM HEADSHOT.

[Dieter]

I think Cheets has been sniffing texta's again.

This is an obvious case of Pocky overdose. Duh ;)

[thecreepingmess]

This came from a university.

The whole thing looked so fake in my opinion, it looked like a cheap movie set.



Your opinion doesn't actually prove that it didn't happen though, does it? There is plenty of evidence to suggest that it did.

[Cheapshot]

Flawed, flawed and yep flawed. Everyone of those points is appaling. Did anyone watch question time and see that uber geek go on about how sep 11th the planes were not airliners but missiles and then Dimbelby destroyed him by saying I wonder who was making phone calls to their relatives. BOOM HEADSHOT.

You say what I said was flawed and don't say why. :hmm:

You didn't even use the quote button, why am I even bothering with this.

I'll admit the no shadow thing I said was bollocks, I don't know what the fuck I was smoking when I saw it last time -- but after checking it out again the shadows and reflections were all wrong.

[Platty]

You'll be using Platty's argument of "but hmm..." next.

hey thats not my argument its me thinking of more ways to wind you up about the moon landings.... oh i mean fake moon landings :kiss:

[Cheapshot]

Your opinion doesn't actually prove that it didn't happen though, does it? There is plenty of evidence to suggest that it did.

I'm not trying to prove anything i'm just saying my opinion.

Science geeks have proved it wrong ages ago but some American universitys persist that it's right but it's kind of suspicious that only American's seem to think it was the real thing y'know.

[thecreepingmess]

I'm not trying to prove anything i'm just saying my opinion.

Science geeks have proved it wrong ages ago but some American universitys persist that it's right but it's kind of suspicious that only American's seem to think it was the real thing y'know.

They haven't proved it 'wrong' though, have they? Unless you can supply your sources.

There was a cold war going on at the time. If it was faked Russia would've been first in line line to throw the Communist Potato of Doubt at their Capitalist enemies.

[Cheapshot]

There was a cold war going on at the time. If it was faked Russia would've been first in line line to throw the Communist Potato of Doubt at their Capitalist enemies.

That's all the more reason why I think it was faked. It was all propoganda back then.

[RATM_4_EVA]

This came from a university.

The whole thing looked so fake in my opinion, it looked like a cheap movie set.

.

Its the moon not hollywood. I dont think their first piority on the moon was a good camera angle and lighting.

[Haden]

It was all propoganda back then.

Man listen to yourself. Do you even understand what propoganda is? To say everything from America was 'propoganda' is absurd. Have you reasearched the period at depth? Can you gaurentee that every news outlet was under tight control by the government?
I am sorry if my tone is brash but I am annoyed by the rampant anti americanism with no basis in logic or reason. I didn't quote you before becaue when I copy and paste it only pastes one line. I am sorry for that discourtesy and this is no personal attack on you.
To say why the points were flawed. Firstly to say it came from a university is just better than saying it was one side of a debate at a newsagents. Many things come from universities and many things are proven false, it is a place of intellectual debate not a place where infallible truth leaks from every proffesor.
The movie argument is just your observation and I would ask what would you have it look like? Do you want it filmed in widescreen and have smooth edges and high definition flags? My point is neither you nor I know what it looks like on the moon apart from sources that we have to place trust in.
The third argument just repells me and is why this whole post may come across in bad temper. It is illogical and racist. But of course because its aimed at America its allowed to slide. Nice.

[thecreepingmess]

It is illogical and racist. But of course because its aimed at America its allowed to slide. Nice.

To be pedantic, it's not really racist. Unless you're talking about abuse aimed a those American Red Indians.

... I mean the native ones.

[RATM_4_EVA]

To be pedantic, it's not really racist. Unless you're talking about abuse aimed a those American Red Indians.

... I mean the native ones.
oh ok, i tought you ment the baseball team :indeed:

[Lammie]

I can't stand you people who seem hell bent on believing the moon landings were fake.

Give me evidence that proves it was fake. Go on, I challenge thee!

And the whole "the shadows were cast in different directions therefore there were multiple light sources" rant is a pile of crap. If you stop and think about perspective you'll realise that shadows do appear to converge on each other.

Man listen to yourself. Do you even understand what propoganda is? To say everything from America was 'propoganda' is absurd. Have you reasearched the period at depth? Can you gaurentee that every news outlet was under tight control by the government?

True, partly. News media might not have been under strict control by the government, but at that time you were either a full blooded capitalist or a evil commie bastard. The things was, if you said that the moon landings were fake you'd probably be hung strung and quartered by a mob of commie fearing citizens. The space race had alot to do with showing the west that they were one-up on the soviets. Back then everyone was in a constant fear of all hell raining down on them in the form of ICBM's, and when you have a society in that state of fear, it's easy to manipulate them.

With all that said and done, I still think the moon landings were legit.


I. AM. ON. TO. YOU.

AAArgh! :shock: