Microsoft's Peter Moore praises Nintendo's Revolution controller [Archive]

Stocka

21-09-2005, 03:08 PM

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11651

Speaking to GamesIndustry.biz at the Tokyo Games Show, Xbox VP Peter Moore has praised Nintendo's "innovation with the new [Revolution] controller", and reiterated the need for the industry to grow into new markets.

"I want to give kudos for Nintendo for its attempt at innovation with the new controller," Moore commented, saying that the new device would -"bring people in that, as Iwata-san said, are either lapsed gamers or gamers that are intimidated by the complexity of the controller."

"We need to grow as an industry," he concluded. "Having a simplified controller is one tactic in what is a larger strategic battle we need to face to grow this business."

Cheapshot

21-09-2005, 03:11 PM

I do think Microsoft care a lot more about gaming than Sony.

"I never said the PS3 was a games console" Playstation "guru" Ken Ku... (can't spell his last name)

"Games are kids stuff" -- he said something on the lines of that anyway.

:blink:

Reading this I can see that Microsoft are very serious about this industry and want it to grow -- Xbox live is proof of that.

MunKy

21-09-2005, 03:24 PM

I wasnt annoyed by Microsoft entering the console business because theyve had games on PC for ages. When Sony dived in i was annoyed because they had no right to be there. They had nothing to to with gaming or even non video games. Countdown to Microsoft bidding to buy Nintendo again starts now.....

Minlack

21-09-2005, 03:30 PM

Sounds like an attempt to gain the higher ground if I ever saw it. We all know that they have a huge rivalry woth Nintendo and Sony, saying things like this is just patronising..

Cheapshot

21-09-2005, 03:36 PM

Sounds like an attempt to gain the higher ground if I ever saw it. We all know that they have a huge rivalry woth Nintendo and Sony, saying things like this is just patronising..

Hmmm you could say that...

RedShell

21-09-2005, 03:40 PM

Well he's not going to dis it, otherwise it’d make Microsoft look silly when they copy the idea for the X-Box 720. :wink:

yo yo

21-09-2005, 03:53 PM

Well he's not going to dis it, otherwise it’d make Microsoft look silly when they copy the idea for the X-Box 720. :wink:

please dont try and attempt to be funny again

mario114

21-09-2005, 03:58 PM

Would microst buying out ninty be such a bad thing, i mean the power hungry aplication stuff from microfoft, and all the ninty greatness.

yo yo

21-09-2005, 04:04 PM

Well he's not going to dis it, otherwise it’d make Microsoft look silly when they copy the idea for the X-Box 720.[ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"slaps dabookerman"

RedShell

21-09-2005, 04:06 PM

please dont try and attempt to be funny again

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it just me, or are some people on this forum a little too easily wound up. :indeed:

DCK

21-09-2005, 05:15 PM

That's a very good answer. It doesn't bury Nintendo with crap as Sony did with the DS but he points out he thinks Nintendo is aiming at other markets and are no real competition. Good one.

Kurtle Squad

21-09-2005, 06:39 PM

Would microst buying out ninty be such a bad thing, i mean the power hungry aplication stuff from microfoft, and all the ninty greatness.

Nintendo is a family business. Microsoft has already tried buying it before but was rejected.
I think quite a few Microsoft big guys like Nintendo, but J Allard (XBox Creator) is a dickhead that think's he's cool and hard etc etc...but he's just a c**t

Smalldude76

21-09-2005, 07:08 PM

Hard to see really what he's trying to do...Microsoft's said that they don't consider Nintendo key competition this upcoming generation because they're 'niche'.

This could be his way of saying that 'Microsoft underestimated Nintendo'. He could be trying to flatter them so Gates can propose another buyout. He could even be saying 'lets not fight, we can team up on Sony'. or he could be just trying to draw more attention to the 360 in Japan by commenting on the biggest news there.

Mr. Bananagrabber

21-09-2005, 07:10 PM

I heart Peter Moore.

Hal_9Million

21-09-2005, 08:41 PM

This isn't Microsoft admiting that they were wrong. They still don't consider Nintendo a threat, so are perfectly willing to complement their efforts. The only time it'll change is if Nintendo start wooping their ass (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/mousedown/revo.swf).

Haver

21-09-2005, 08:50 PM

Fierce_LiNk

21-09-2005, 08:53 PM

He could even be saying 'lets not fight, we can team up on Sony'.

Lmfao! :lmao: Nintendo and Microsoft...tag team partners, eh? :wink:

Stocka

21-09-2005, 08:56 PM

Lmfao! :lmao: Nintendo and Microsoft...tag team partners, eh? :wink:
Advance Wars Dual Strike Tag Power! Yeah!!!!!!!!*plays mp3**

Smalldude76

22-09-2005, 12:02 AM

Lmfao! :lmao: Nintendo and Microsoft...tag team partners, eh? :wink:

Heh, that one was actually a joke, but y'know ;) (It's unlike Microsoft to ever taken competition as partners :P)

Welcome to the Hall of Fame!

Woohoo! :hehe:

Patch

22-09-2005, 08:16 AM

I was initially surprised at his comments. Imagine if the Ferrari team started saying what a great car the Porsche was. Or if Sainsbury's publicly complimented Tesco's low prices.

Nintendo are attempting to widen the videogame audience with a simplified controller. This will bring more money into the videogame industry in general. People who wouldn't normally think of buying a console may now be tempted. And if they're tempted by the Revolution, then they're one step closer to buying an XBOX 360 or PS3.

So its really in everyone's interests to increase the size of the gaming market and there's still plenty of room for growth. That is why I think he's so positive. Though it's still surprising nonetheless!

quich_delvyn

22-09-2005, 09:10 AM

its surprising but welcome

Mimternet

22-09-2005, 09:19 AM

I do think Microsoft care a lot more about gaming than Sony..

This is what the smart businesses want people to think. Nintendo is built around caring about games, and that works for me. Microsoft and Sony can hardly slag off the controller as it's flawless (and it is) so the best they can do is look to side with the gob smacked gamers to try and muscle in on some of the attention. To go into a war against Nintendo now when XBox is out soon would be stupid, they can't slag off a controller and claim it to be a gimmic when it is clearly going to change the industry as we know it. The best they can do is "give it kudos" and move on.

It also helps them build respect amongst gamers, which they need now desperately.

Shaze_Nab

22-09-2005, 09:40 AM

This is what the smart businesses want people to think. Nintendo is built around caring about games, and that works for me. Microsoft and Sony can hardly slag off the controller as it's flawless (and it is) so the best they can do is look to side with the gob smacked gamers to try and muscle in on some of the attention. To go into a war against Nintendo now when XBox is out soon would be stupid, they can't slag off a controller and claim it to be a gimmic when it is clearly going to change the industry as we know it. The best they can do is "give it kudos" and move on.

It also helps them build respect amongst gamers, which they need now desperately.

Yep, I totally agree with you. Microsoft were totally overshadowed at TGS, and the only way they're going to take attention away from the controller, is by (ironically) talking about it. If that makes sense?

Nick81

22-09-2005, 09:54 AM

Yep, I totally agree with you. Microsoft were totally overshadowed at TGS, and the only way they're going to take attention away from the controller, is by (ironically) talking about it. If that makes sense?

Indeed, the controller has had a lot of positive feedback since it was first unveiled, it just wouldn't work for Peter Moore or Microsoft to denounce it at this point.

CVD

22-09-2005, 10:49 AM

Well I guess now Nintendo are not a direct threat to the Microsoft and the Xbox 360 sue to their different approaches in the next gen war. The guy is right though, Nintendo are taking a brave step that's needed to keep the industry fresh.

Mimternet

22-09-2005, 10:55 AM

Well I guess now Nintendo are not a direct threat to the Microsoft and the Xbox 360 sue to their different approaches in the next gen war.

Nintendo are more of a threat to XBox 360 now, they just stole the wind out of the launch and made the console look outdated.

Shmotz

22-09-2005, 11:02 AM

Nintendo are more of a threat to XBox 360 now, they just stole the wind out of the launch and made the console look outdated.

Are you saying that the unveiling of this controller has 'taken the wind' out of the X360 launch? And made it look outdated?

Konfucius

22-09-2005, 11:05 AM

And with online support for free they also challenge them in the online gaming sector.

Ever since they talked about Nintendo as a niche player (and talking about it all the time) I had the impression they were afraid that Nintendo could regain a lot more market share and put MS back in 3rd place.

But I must say reacting positively to Nintendo's controller increased my respect towards MS.

Deku-Nutz

22-09-2005, 11:17 AM

HAHAHA!!!!

Although its nice to here praise, its really FUNNY to see lots of you guys suddenly saying "Awww, yeah I like Microsoft, they're not as nasty as Sony.."

LoL. Funny Stuff.

RuneSP

22-09-2005, 11:28 AM

please dont try and attempt to be funny again

I found it funny :D

http://writheandshine.com/blog/roflmao.jpg

Shaze_Nab

22-09-2005, 11:31 AM

Are you saying that the unveiling of this controller has 'taken the wind' out of the X360 launch? And made it look outdated?

Will it doesn't take a great deal of thunder away from my purchase... Although I may sound like an avid nintendo fan buy most of the time I've got an xbox 360 fund, and I'm getting one at lauch.

However in Japan, Nintendo have clearly hurt both Microsoft and Sony... Microsoft are already in a bad persision in Japan, and nintendo seem to have made it wose. Sony still do amazingly well, but they to were overshadowed by not games, not specs, but a simple controller.

The point I'm trying to make is, if a simple controller can overshadow it's rivals, the imagine what the games, online functions and specs could do... Of course they're is a chance all the gaes will be bad, but I doupt it.

Mimternet

22-09-2005, 01:39 PM

The point I'm trying to make is, if a simple controller can overshadow it's rivals, the imagine what the games, online functions and specs could do...

Definitely. I am saying it has stolen the thunder out of XBox 360's launch yes, as I think I originally said :) XBox 360 is very much an upgrade of XBox and nothing more. More powerful games? Check. Better online? Check. Anything else? No. Nintendo's console does all of this and then some.

The fact that both Nintendo and Sony, the two veterans, have their consoles out next year creates a wall against XBox. Sony's is the more powerful followup to the most successful console of this generation with more support, Nintendo is the classic gaming console promising a brand new experience never used before in a mass market product - anywhere. Invest now or wait 6 months for one of two machines which either way are going to be superior?

I know what I'm waiting for. My PS2 and Gamecube still have life left in them, I can wait for the upgrade. And on a personal note, I am bored of the same old games. I never play fighters anymore because they're all just upgrades of the same thing released 10 years ago. The same is true of many games. So personally Revolution is my top console with PS3 the sure fire winner if I decide I want another experience on top. I don't think I will though once I get a Revolution DVD component.

Of course they're is a chance all the gaes will be bad, but I doupt it

I don't think there can be any doubt. Nintendo have never failed to consistently release top rate games. All of their energies are concentrated on Revolution, more so than any of their consoles before. Plus it's going to be fun to develop for. Fun and skill make for a great combination.

No bodies even gone into the online side in detail. Now we can virtual bitch slap people the world over.

Cheapshot

22-09-2005, 01:42 PM

haahahaahah ho guys i like you'rre style get a hait cut!!!!!111

Shaze_Nab

22-09-2005, 01:47 PM

haahahaahah ho guys i like you'rre style get a hait cut!!!!!111

Um... Whatever you say

Shmotz

22-09-2005, 02:12 PM

Definitely. I am saying it has stolen the thunder out of XBox 360's launch yes, as I think I originally said :) XBox 360 is very much an upgrade of XBox and nothing more. More powerful games? Check. Better online? Check. Anything else? No. Nintendo's console does all of this and then some.

I could argue with this but I get the feeling it would be like trying to teach a trout the offside rule.

Mimternet

22-09-2005, 02:33 PM

I could argue with this but I get the feeling it would be like trying to teach a trout the offside rule.

Please don't feel I'm arguing, I understand these are only my views and I really do welcome other people's ideas. Perhaps I should approach my posts in a different way in future, I am not saying my ideas are definitely going to happen. It's the gaming environment as I see it. I'm not slating the XBox 360 either, I should have mentioned that I think it is a vastly competent system offering great games. I just can't see it being that much of an improvement over the PS2/original XBox to entice enough people into buying it when there are two other consoles on the way. I could be completely wrong, Microsoft may have it spot on with Sony and Nintendo missing the boat by being late and offering a wacked out controller that makes sense to noone.

Shaze_Nab

22-09-2005, 02:35 PM

I could argue with this but I get the feeling it would be like trying to teach a trout the offside rule.

I understand what you mean. For me the revolution is as unique as the DS, it can't be compared to the PSP IMO. The revolution can't really compete with microsoft in the same way, sure they're competing for the same market, but like the PSP and DS one is taking the graphics route, and the other is taking the new gameplay route.

I mean I've noticed most people are getting both a revolution and another console. I gues the main reason why is because you can't play revolution games on a PS3 and xbox360 and vice versa.

DiemetriX

22-09-2005, 03:20 PM

If Nintendo had released gamecube2 they would have failed.
So they are doing alot of good things now with revolution.
With the new controller unvield Sony and MS should se they have more to fear than they tought.

Athriller

22-09-2005, 03:39 PM

Definitely. I am saying it has stolen the thunder out of XBox 360's launch yes, as I think I originally said :) XBox 360 is very much an upgrade of XBox and nothing more.

And to many people, that's not a bad thing.

More powerful games? Check. Better online? Check. Anything else? No. Nintendo's console does all of this and then some.

Did you care to think that not everybody wanted 'some'? Not to say I'm not excited about the Revolution, but I'm perfectly happy with gaming as it stands.

The fact that both Nintendo and Sony, the two veterans, have their consoles out next year creates a wall against XBox. Sony's is the more powerful followup to the most successful console of this generation with more support, Nintendo is the classic gaming console promising a brand new experience never used before in a mass market product - anywhere. Invest now or wait 6 months for one of two machines which either way are going to be superior?

What happenned to every Nintendo fan's philosopy, it's all about the games?

It'll all be good.

Smalldude76

22-09-2005, 07:36 PM

The fact that both Nintendo and Sony, the two veterans, have their consoles out next year creates a wall against XBox. Sony's is the more powerful followup to the most successful console of this generation with more support, Nintendo is the classic gaming console promising a brand new experience never used before in a mass market product - anywhere. Invest now or wait 6 months for one of two machines which either way are going to be superior?
I dont really see how it's a wall. I understand what you're saying about how they're both going to go that way, but to the mentality of people (particularily the western market) Microsoft's system has quite the launch line-up/announced titles that appeal to them. Ghost Recon 3, Perfect Dark Zero, Gears of War, Halo 3. All have been announced/confirmed to release. Microsoft's success of getting their console known in the console market while taking online gaming to new heights has certainly secured them a nice position next generation.

In the same way, the same thing can be pinned against either Sony or Nintendo's consoles.

"Why get a Ps3 when we've got another powerful/cheaper console coming out first or a new breath to gaming later on?"

"Why get a Revolution when we can get a powerful console now or an even more powerful console later? The Revolution mioght not even get the games I want on other consoles."

Bowser57

22-09-2005, 08:07 PM

And with online support for free they also challenge them in the online gaming sector.

I take it you've given this online gaming for free a try then.

How is it?

Alterego

22-09-2005, 08:32 PM

hey cheapshot m8, did ya engoy ur birthday then m8?

I like nintendo

23-09-2005, 12:23 AM

Or... Maybe he's only saying it so that nintendo keep doing this while microsoft race ahead in sales...

King_Mushroom

23-09-2005, 02:28 AM

And to many people, that's not a bad thing.

Did you care to think that not everybody wanted 'some'? Not to say I'm not excited about the Revolution, but I'm perfectly happy with gaming as it stands.

What happenned to every Nintendo fan's philosopy, it's all about the games?

It'll all be good.

That to me is like saying 'i'm perfectly happy getting payed 200k a year, so i dont really want it increased to 400k'

Konfucius

23-09-2005, 08:56 AM

I take it you've given this online gaming for free a try then.

How is it?

Yeah you're right I shouldn't judge it before being able to try it out but I imagine it's pretty similar to free online support on the PC and I rather have a bit of lag sometimes than have to pay for playing online.
i.e. SSB is best in four player mode but if the online mode wasn't free I'd rather fight the AI.

Patch

23-09-2005, 09:22 AM

I could argue with this but I get the feeling it would be like trying to teach a trout the offside rule.

Absolutely. Forget intelligent discussion and bring on the insults! That's just the breath of fresh air the Internet needs. :bah:

Haver

23-09-2005, 11:03 AM

Refreshing, innovative game experiences and graphic fidelity are not mutually exclusive.

Maxi678

23-09-2005, 01:41 PM

hmm, this is surprising. Thought Ninty and Micro were rivals. Oh well, sounds interesting to me

Athriller

23-09-2005, 04:04 PM

That to me is like saying 'i'm perfectly happy getting payed 200k a year, so i dont really want it increased to 400k'

Not really, it's all circumstancial. The Xbox 360 will offer a much different experience.

I'd rather take the 200k than the 400 if it's a job I enjoy a lot more.

Patch

23-09-2005, 04:34 PM

The Xbox 360 will offer a much different experience.

Ermm.......

No.

Stocka

23-09-2005, 04:42 PM

Ermm.......

No.
Seconded. Athriller, it doesn't exactly change the gaming experience much from this gen, does it. Okay, better graphics, improved Xbox Live etc. and i'm not denying the console will be great because i'm looking forward to it as its bound to have some excellent games, but you said it will offer a much different experience. when clearly it doesn't. The Rev will, because, well the controller speaks for itself, and the PS3 will offer a much different experience to this gen too, because of the insane graphic power, but still not as different to REV. PS3 and REV are ultimately changing the way we play games, whereas 360 isn't doing that, but still offering what looks to be a fantastic console with plenty of third party support.

Athriller

23-09-2005, 05:30 PM

Shmotz

23-09-2005, 05:35 PM

Seconded. Athriller, it doesn't exactly change the gaming experience much from this gen, does it. Okay, better graphics, improved Xbox Live etc. and i'm not denying the console will be great because i'm looking forward to it as its bound to have some excellent games, but you said it will offer a much different experience. when clearly it doesn't. The Rev will, because, well the controller speaks for itself, and the PS3 will offer a much different experience to this gen too, because of the insane graphic power, but still not as different to REV. PS3 and REV are ultimately changing the way we play games, whereas 360 isn't doing that, but still offering what looks to be a fantastic console with plenty of third party support.

PS3 = Better Graphic power = Revolution

X360 = Better Graphic power = No revolution

That's what I got from that post.

Plus, how can a hugely successful online playing console not be changing the way we play games? Microsoft led the charge on that front.

Stocka

23-09-2005, 05:42 PM

Before jumping to assumption fellas, look around ambiguity.

Will the Xbox 360 offer a new gaming experience? No.

Will the Xbox 360 offer a different gaming experience? Yes.

Dare you deny that the xbox 360 and Revolution take 2 completely different approaches?
Oh sorry I miss understood you :eer:
Oh well got my opinion across :heh:

PS3 = Better Graphic power = Revolution

X360 = Better Graphic power = No revolution

That's what I got from that post.

No, its just that the 360 graphics are barely a MASSIVE step from this gen whereas PS3 are, thus making games look so different they will change the way we play.

By the way, i'm not a new Choze defending the PS3 and such, in fact, many will know what a huge hater of sony I am and refuse to buy their consoles. I'm getting a 360+ a Revolution too, so no i'm not saying REV+PS3 RULEZORZ!!11 360 T3H SUXXORS!LOL!!111

Kurtle Squad

23-09-2005, 05:55 PM

I hate that people jump to conclusions about consoles though. People are like: "I SO can't wait fo the PS3, it's gonna be great cos it's got cool graphics".

Don't the graphics get better EVERY GENERATION!? And they don't even know anything about any of the consoles really. It's so annoying!! :aww:

The Peeps

23-09-2005, 05:56 PM

I'm sorry.. I don't see how Sony increasing graphical power is going to change the way we play games. You've said that Microsofts graphics increase doesn't change the way we play... how is Sony doing that? Please don't just say by increasing it by a great deal more because that wont change how we play at all, just what we see.

Haver

23-09-2005, 06:45 PM

And why, pray, do we need to change the way we play games? The current template works fine, doesn't it? That's what you used to think, right? Alternatives are welcome -- Donkey Konga, Guitar Heroes, Eyetoy; all brilliant -- but there's no need to replace something that works. That's marketing spiel. That's what Iwata told you. The GameCube's controller is fairly generic, yet there were no complaints before E3 2004. The Game Boy's interface is most certainly generic, yet there were no complaints before E3 2004. Nintendo are evil, kids, and they know how to get into your head.

Nintendo hates you. And probably your parents, too.

Aesthetics are a fundamental part of the gameplay experience, and undeniably heighten the impact of that experience. The same goes for advances in specification. Graphics *are* gameplay; they're as important as non-chuck add-ons, collecting shines or grabbing the boss key. Metroid Prime would not have been the same game without its pretty pictures. Stick that tag on every single Nintendo game you've ever played.

The Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 don't need a new controller interface to innovate, or create new or better game experiences.

in·no·va·tion (ĭn'ə-vā'shən) pronunciation
n.

1. The act of introducing something new.
2. Something newly introduced.

15,000 trolls on screen, at one time, seems pretty new to me.

Bowser57

23-09-2005, 07:19 PM

No, its just that the 360 graphics are barely a MASSIVE step from this gen whereas PS3 are, thus making games look so different they will change the way we play.

Isn't it a bit early to make such judgements?

Wait until we've got a few finished games for each console at least eh?

Mimternet

23-09-2005, 08:56 PM

15,000 trolls on screen, at one time, seems pretty new to me.

15, 000 trolls, 100 pikmin. In realtime game terms that number isn't going to equate to a transformation in gaming.

I don't see anything wrong with controllers, but I have noticed a trend in the games I play. I play less. My first console was Gamegear, I then entered into home console gaming with N64, then Playstation, Dreamcast, PS2 and Gamecube. I've bought around 8 games for my Cube and the same for PS2. That's a limited number in comparison to the previous generations when I bought a game almost every week because they offered something new. Gaming seems to have reached a plateau with few peaks of excitement to stand out. Something needs to change, whether its a controller or the way in which games are made.

The Revolution controller makes me excited about the possibilities. I haven't felt that since N64 and DS. Revolution is this feeling but more so. It's what I've always wanted from a console. Maybe not for you, but it's more than marketing spiel.