View Full Version : Nice 'secret' theory read...
Migraine
17-02-2006, 11:55 AM
Found this theory about the Rev's extra feature over at the Gamespot forums, naturally most people over there jumped on him and started ripping chunks of flesh out of the poor sod, but I enjoyed reading it and thought i'd spread the lurve. :)
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24328400
ViPeR
17-02-2006, 12:15 PM
Nice read, he has a lot of interesting points. E3 couldn't be further away.
Pestneb
17-02-2006, 12:21 PM
E3 couldn't be further away.
*bites tongue*
anyway, I can't read it as the site is blocked from work, and I expect/hope to have better things to do when I get home.
AshMat
17-02-2006, 12:22 PM
He seems to have the idea that the rev will operatee without a tv. Though his quote from miyamoto said that he only WANTED it to be like this, not that it would be.
Good read though. But tbh it doesn't sway me
spirited away
17-02-2006, 12:45 PM
gr8 read, and it would be bloody amazing if that happened, but most of that is quess work, hes interpreting a lot of it, but how awesome would that be , i agree with what shigsy? said tho about games can only be made prettier and faster if they stay on tv and computer screens - which seems to be the path of microsoft , they should know games will not involve without innovation, enter nintendo ;)
Nintendork
17-02-2006, 12:53 PM
Half way through it and had to pause to say:
This stand battery thing is bullshit.
Think of health and safety.. it would need to be securely fixed to the console.
On top of that as I've said before batteries are not playdough, you cannot mould it into a plastic stand however you like. the connector on the Revolution is AC, but batteries are DC.
penic99
17-02-2006, 12:53 PM
Nintendo have something big up their sleeve, i'm willing to bet that it's a novel display tech.
There's a lot of hype flying around; stereoscopics, holographics etc. When Matt for IGNRevolution asked Reggie if fans will be disappointed because the Rev will not live up to the hype, he simply said it'll be better than the hype. If he didn't know about some new feature, then he would want to kill the hype not encourage it. :wtf:
JetSetWilly
17-02-2006, 01:20 PM
This is nonsense.
Where do the motion sensors go if the unit is projecting onto a screen? And given that you wouldn't be able to stand in front of the unit whilst it was projecting you'd be off at some stupid angle on the right/left.
And what would be the point anyway? Who doesn't have a regular TV?
The Peeps
17-02-2006, 01:25 PM
Iwata is even said… "We invented the current way a console is played - in front of a television and holding a controller - but maybe that image will change." Miyamoto is talking about a device(revolution) that doesn’t need a TV to function. Of course we know that the REV can use a TV and a Monitor, but the REV will also play without a TV.
Yes, Miyamoto and Iwata have both said that they would like to change the way consoles are played, that they would like to play without having a TV. But I don't think anyone, anywhere has said that the Rev will play without a TV have they? He seems to have just made that up and passed it off as fact without giving evidence of where he got the confirmation from.
It would of course be fantastic if this turned out to be true but I don't think it is. Maybe for the console after the Rev or the one after that, but right now it's too soon for something like this.
Domo Kun
17-02-2006, 01:28 PM
Very interesting read. Although I would argue that most RPGs are pretty much interactive movies. Especially games such as Shenmue. Also, I don't perticuarly see why this couldn't happen on Xbox360/PS3, just the interface wouldn't be as good.
note: I didn't read the entire article, sorry if I've contradicted anything.
mario114
17-02-2006, 01:29 PM
Good read, and a nice use of quotes for each statement, you never know, E3 will hold the answers.
Stocka
17-02-2006, 01:30 PM
I've had a similar theory for months and I believe he is right. I don't care if any of you disagree with me.
Domo Kun
17-02-2006, 01:31 PM
Revolution will play without a TV?
http://www.lowdown411.com/uploaded_images/revoctrl-787049.jpg
Sorry to squash your dreams buddy.
Stocka
17-02-2006, 01:34 PM
Revolution will play without a TV?
[picture]
Sorry to squash your dreams buddy.
What does that prove? Nothing we don't already know. He stated that Revolution will still be able to be used on a TV/Monitor(as Nintendo have confirmed it will) but also this display method if wanted.
Domo Kun
17-02-2006, 01:35 PM
What does that prove? Nothing we don't already know. He stated that Revolution will still be able to be used on a TV/Monitor(as Nintendo have confirmed it will) but also this display method if wanted.
Oh right, bugger. Sorry.
spirited away
17-02-2006, 01:36 PM
it seems a bit weird as u'd need a large wall with nothing in the way
Stocka
17-02-2006, 01:38 PM
Also everyone, why else do you think Nintendo have decided NOT to show any screens or footage of any revolution games for so long? Because how the graphics are displayed is part of the revolution. If they were displayed just like normal e.g. PS3/Xbox 360 and revealed no secret do you really believe Nintendo would be holding back screens and footage from us? Of course not.
The Peeps
17-02-2006, 01:43 PM
Good point Stocka, but though it would be incredible, I just can't see it happening just yet. We'll just have to wait until E3 to see what Nintendo have in store for us. I'm not saying that this isn't true, but it's still just speculation.
DiemetriX
17-02-2006, 01:47 PM
Really interesting read. GDC/E3 2006 is going to be better than christmas.
It may be true.
Seriously though, have you ever wondered why the revolution sits on a angle like that? Perhaps it does project a image on any wall? Why else would it be at that funny angle?
Think about it, you just carry it around (and have you noticed Nintendo are trying to make it a small as possible?) and you don't need plugs as the base is a battery!
It makes sense and is a smashing idea. ;)
It's all to do with convenience and simple setting-up! Roll on E3!
JetSetWilly
17-02-2006, 01:56 PM
Also everyone, why else do you think Nintendo have decided NOT to show any screens or footage of any revolution games for so long? Because how the graphics are displayed is part of the revolution. If they were displayed just like normal e.g. PS3/Xbox 360 and revealed no secret do you really believe Nintendo would be holding back screens and footage from us? Of course not.
Nintendo want you to forget about how games look and concentrate on how games play.
In contrast, M$ and Sony want you to forget how games play (same as they always have) and concentrate on how they look.
Pit-Jr
17-02-2006, 01:57 PM
its a good theory, not only because its possible but that if Nintendo doesnt do it, someone else will...eventually.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8576/6446large5hw.jpg
Ive already picked out a spot on the wall in my room in case this is true.
gmanprime
17-02-2006, 01:59 PM
Really interesting read. GDC/E3 2006 is going to be better than christmas.
Isn't it always?
JetSetWilly
17-02-2006, 01:59 PM
Why else would it be at that funny angle?
To make it more stable when stood vertically. Remember this is a small, light console that would be easily toppled if it sat flat in a stand. Compare that to the Sony "George Foreman Grill" or M$ XBox 360WhichIsReallyAPCInAFunnyBox and you have your answer.
AshMat
17-02-2006, 02:02 PM
So are we thiking: Wall projection or: 3d projection here, because the hologram rumour was around for long enough
djamb3
17-02-2006, 02:03 PM
hmmm...I prefer waiting and then listen that (or not) than create a new hype:) But it would be really awsome and the answer why haven't Ninty showed any pic.
Pit-Jr
17-02-2006, 02:05 PM
The guy obviously did his homework when he came up with the theory. And all the cryptic evidence is from Nintendo officials themselves, not from blogs or 'insiders', which gives the idea even more credibility.
JetSetWilly
17-02-2006, 02:05 PM
If Iwata gets on stage at E3 and starts showing his holiday slides using a Revolution - then I'll believe it. Until then, it's hogwash.
LazyBoy
17-02-2006, 02:09 PM
Got a few problems with this:
1. Space - I ain't got room for a projector in my house. Hell even if I did I wouldn't want it taking over. Wasn't it Nintendo who said they didn't want the gaming machine to be a device that takes over the living room. And I know I don't have to use it, but I don't want to pay extra for something i'm not gonna use. Which brings me on to my next point.
2. Price - whatever this last secret is its gonna have to be cheap. The controllers are gonna be pricey and a matchbox sized projector isn't cheap (or at least i'm guessing so).
3. Credibility - I tend not to believe aseholes, and this guy was pissing me off the second I started reading. I know he stated it as theory, but still. Just a small point that.
4. Where's my revolution? - explain to me someone how watching the game on a wall in comparison to on a T.V. will change the gaming experience.
Just makes it hard to believe, sounds all very un-Nintendo.
Konfucius
17-02-2006, 02:36 PM
It was a very good read and I think he brought up some good points but I guess these mini projectors are very expensive and Ninty want to keep the costs low so I highly doubt something like this would be implemented.
I do however strongly believe (I have stated this at several occasions already) that the Revo will use stereoscopic 3D or what it is called; although on a normal TV, there's a 3D image and you don't need glasses or anything.
Domo Kun
17-02-2006, 02:36 PM
I suppose you could hook the Revolution up to a set of speakers and play a game like Bopit with the controller. Although that would be gash.
AshMat
17-02-2006, 02:39 PM
Haha revo bopit, i'd love to see a video of someone doing that with the cardboard contoller from ONM.
Nintendork
17-02-2006, 02:41 PM
Sony and Nintendo are going to offload a dump load of videos on the media at E3, the best gets shown. Simple as that.. the media decide.
If Nintendo want a chance of getting their share of the thunder post E3 press (printed, television and radio) then they will need to save it all.
They need to get the people sitting on the fence.
They could release Metroid Shots now.. and Mario 128 concepts.. but come E3 while Sony is playing the cat they will have Nintendo for lunch.
Internet press is totally varied, you can choose your sources.. but like we saw in the Sun a few weeks back.. printed press reaches so many more average consumers. The day after E3 the tabloids will probably have a couple of pages dedicated to the PS3 and Revolution.
Nintendo needs that demographic of people. 'non gamers'
Credits to the story but it's bullocks really.
Firstly, the Revolution stand is nothing but plastic. There's nothing special about it.
Secondly, the Revolution will have to use regular displays. Not using a TV makes it different, hardcore, not accesible. You might think that it's easy to set up, but announcing that videogames are not played on a normal screen confuses the mainstream and that's exactly what they don't want.
Finally, the technology in the matchbox beamer can only play monochrome green pictures. It's also expected to cost $600 when it comes out.
The guy doesn't realise that the Revolution is the least portable console ever. You can carry it around wherever you want, but playing it is impossible because you can't keep the controller still.
Nintendork
17-02-2006, 04:56 PM
Would be good for playing a Matrix game on the Revolution though..
Part of the problem of surround sound kits is everyone has different acoustics. Wall projection would marginalise the market..if your walls aren't right.. you can't use that feature.
What amazes me is how carried away people got over Nintendo Floor Vision.. when it was just a bit of a laugh for a demo kiosk at some event.. Nintendo patented it because other companies will use the tech in the future and pay Nintendo royalty for their ideas. Simple by product of innovation.
Everyone remember the promo video with all the people playing? Remember how EVERY SINGLE ONE of them was playing in a lounge, on a sofa or on the floor.
All looking at one object, I highly recommend you all re-watch the video:
http://ms.nintendo-europe.com/black/enGB/?feature=3DnWfkg29cXpr8sX4WhhNcVDvok8-n0R#
And rethink these crazy ideas you have in your head. You are all thinking a (nintendo) generation ahead.. :)
It's Nintendo, not Bigspendo.
Yeah, not to mention Reggie repeatedly having to confirm that it works on every TV because of the lack of HD.
From IGN's latest mailbag:
When we met with NOA's Reggie Fils-Aime at DICE 2006, he explained that he had been lugging around a Revolution unit to show to various publisher and developer partners. He noted that he had hooked the unit up to just about every type of television - big, small, high-definition and even some junker in his hotel room - and that it always just worked. No fuss. No time-consuming fiddling.
Nintendork
17-02-2006, 05:43 PM
Wonder how it performs on a HD television.. if it enhances it at all.
Not that I will ever buy one.. but just to know.
I figure it would appear fuzzy like I was hearing about these new super resolution TVs that the DVDs can't even support.
Stabby
17-02-2006, 05:51 PM
About the Brooke Burges quote, I think if one company will enter the 3D gaming market, it will be Sony. Stereoscopics 3D is about switching 2 images (one for each eye) fast enough to make the image seem 3D. It's only possible on LCD and plasma TV's and the cell chip should be powerfull enough to render an image twice with X360-quality graphics.
Smowza
17-02-2006, 06:09 PM
the 'cell' is no holy grail.... sure it's powerfull but ps3 has quite a few bottlenecks... i'd say the most important thing is the gfx chip and ram personally.
Anyway, i dont believe this projection theory.. just seems a bit silly to me. a different sort of stereoscopic thing is much more plausable imo
Ashley
17-02-2006, 06:29 PM
If it were true it would be a hassle finding a large empty wall. But then I suppose it would be an extra rather than a necessity. Although one of my walls is completly empty and only has my bed in front of it (which obviously doesn't take up that much of the wall). Would be sweet but im sceptical.
Stefkov
17-02-2006, 06:38 PM
it could be possible to play it on a wall, youd only have to put the rev on the floor or on a table infront of you and project it onto the wall, thus you can be infront f it rather than to one side becasuethe rev is behind you projecting the image. i dont see it happening, i mean projecting its own image aint much of a secert to hold back, imo. maybe its just a coincidense that they called the chips hollywood and broadway.
ShadowV7
17-02-2006, 07:06 PM
I think there holding something back or else they would of shown screens if they didn't care about graphics,GDC and E3 will be better than christmas this year(apart from if you get rev for christmas)
mario_jr
17-02-2006, 08:41 PM
the 'cell' is no holy grail.... sure it's powerfull but ps3 has quite a few bottlenecks
Its like a Strong man in a race against a Kenyen sprinter. Good in a tractor pull but not a race.
Plus about the story... It would be awsome if this was true. Imagine a E3 Iwata showing off a demo, "Oh and by the way this demo is being pojected by the Revo!"
Smowza
17-02-2006, 10:30 PM
Its like a Strong man in a race against a Kenyen sprinter. Good in a tractor pull but not a race.
couldn't have put it better myself :)
on topic: there must be a reason why nintendo haven't released any screens. i doubt it's cuz the gfx are unbelieveable. Damn you nintendo!!!!! tell us!!!!
Domo Kun
17-02-2006, 11:24 PM
I would assume Nintendo haven't released screens as some sort of business tactic. Perhaps to give the media time to get the gist of their new stategy, so when they do release screens, there won't be an overhaul of graphical comparisons?
I'd be pretty sure it's some sort of marketing tactic. Even though I know nothing of business.
mario_jr
17-02-2006, 11:30 PM
I would assume Nintendo haven't released screens as some sort of business tactic. Perhaps to give the media time to get the gist of their new stategy, so when they do release screens, there won't be an overhaul of graphical comparisons?
I'd be pretty sure it's some sort of marketing tactic. Even though I know nothing of business.
Yeah but they better release something or the gaming world will be like "Thats it? Thats what we got worked up about! BOO, BOOO you!"
Domo Kun
17-02-2006, 11:31 PM
Yeah but they better release something or the gaming world will be like "Thats it? Thats what we got worked up about! BOO, BOOO you!"
Agreed. I'm getting pretty annoyed with waiting. Ithink that Nintendo must have some very good reason to keep us in this suspence.
goku21
18-02-2006, 01:35 AM
@ the end of the revmote-video-E32005 the guy turns of his revolution with the revmote. Then they show a HD-set, but it seems the tv was put off the whole time. And? what is the reason to show this HD-set, if it´s the biggest marketing topic of nintendos competitors? They could have just ended the video with a final sword-slice from that guy! But they wanted to show you the turned off TV-set!
To all who have no free wall in there livingroom: What would you say if the screen is projected in mid-air?
I totally believe the projection-theorie! Iwata wouldn´t have ever said those comments about "breaking free fom tv..", if they don´t have something to achieve this. Everything that iwata says is very well planned! And they don´t just hype with those comments, because everybody would be pissed off by that...
The capcom dev said: the screenshots reveal the unrevealed revolutionarie aspekt, IMO. So this is nothing about controls with microphone etc., it´s about graphics or graphics-display IMO!
mario_jr
18-02-2006, 05:54 AM
I totally believe the projection-theorie! Iwata wouldn´t have ever said those comments about "breaking free fom tv..", if they don´t have something to achieve this. Everything that iwata says is very well planned! And they don´t just hype with those comments, because everybody would be pissed off by that...
Yeah its not like they're Sony. (Oooo He did not just go there!)
DiemetriX
18-02-2006, 07:06 AM
Projection in mid air is (as far as i know) impossible
MunKy
18-02-2006, 11:41 AM
The wall projection thing is crap. That would mean having to stick the controller sensors on the wall. And then if the Rev gets knocked and it gets out of alignment. You'd have to stop playing and fiddle around with its position to get it back to normal.
Delhijo
18-02-2006, 03:16 PM
I´m sorry, but I don´t understand the connection between movies and nintendo, someone colud explain it to me?
Again for the projection believers who seem to miss/ignore my previous post:
When we met with NOA's Reggie Fils-Aime at DICE 2006, he explained that he had been lugging around a Revolution unit to show to various publisher and developer partners. He noted that he had hooked the unit up to just about every type of television - big, small, high-definition and even some junker in his hotel room - and that it always just worked. No fuss. No time-consuming fiddling.
They are using NORMAL TVs.
Ashley
18-02-2006, 04:21 PM
They are using NORMAL TVs.
I think the idea is the projection is in addition. You can use normal TVs but if you wish, you can project it. Its an add-on, not a necessity.
arab_freak
19-02-2006, 01:37 PM
I remember seeing a video of something similar to this.
It was a German guy doing a presentation with his 3D projectors, and he kept on talking about how his technology is being used by car manufacturers and the like. It was really cool, but nothing like the "matchbox" this guy was talking about.
Nintendork
19-02-2006, 01:52 PM
Actually projects are quite bad for playing games I think.. my friend was telling me where the radar was on halo it effectively left some kind of burn/wear mark from where it is constantly rotating.
He had a professional set up for his home cinema and merely hooked up his xbox.
Projectors aren't 'new' technology.. they just hook up to a standard TV port.
3D projectors are unlikely.. TVs are what they want to use.
The only thing Iwata and Miyamoto were trying to say that they wanted to get rid of sitting still with a dumb piece of plastic in your hand, not getting rid of the TV altogether.
And what does a projector add to it anyway (except for a launch price of $400)?
Stabby
19-02-2006, 11:18 PM
The capcom dev said: the screenshots reveal the unrevealed revolutionarie aspekt, IMO. So this is nothing about controls with microphone etc., it´s about graphics or graphics-display IMO!
Did a Capcom developer really say that? Source?
Charlie
21-02-2006, 08:11 PM
Everyone watch the original controller video again from TGS 2005.
Skip to round about the middle, where the nun-chuck appears. Look at everyone's eyes from that moment on, they are looking all over the room, not where a TV would be, especially on the shooting ones. Whether they're actually playing a game or not is debateable, there's no way of telling. Then at the end where you see the TV, the Revolution is pointing exactly at the TV, a projector would be pointing exactly at the point you would want to be playing it. The TV was off when you saw it, the Revolution controller would turn the Revo off, not the TV. I think the Revo was projecting the image onto the TV, or the white wall behind it.
Nintendork
21-02-2006, 08:57 PM
Projection in mid air is (as far as i know) impossible
It's do-able, it costs stupid amounts of money though.
Gorillaz have it for their tour, they have the characters animated on stage in 3D.
Also at Disney land Paris and perhaps in America (knowing it is bigger therfore better) in the ghost house they have 3D projection in air of ghosts.
To get a ghostly effect they use smoke.. I was more interested in the tech than the effects, I could clearly see 3 projectors triangulated on one point for the ghosts to be projected.
As far as a gaming system? to get a depth required in any 3D space game you'd need a huge setup and it's be hugely expensive. That is presuming the system can work 'on the line' these shows are merely pre-recorded settings that can be tweaked over months in labs.
It's quite nice, it's very star wars-esque the way they communicate in the films, personally I think it would be fun to play tetris on.. but not much more.
DiemetriX
22-02-2006, 01:46 AM
Everyone watch the original controller video again from TGS 2005.
Skip to round about the middle, where the nun-chuck appears. Look at everyone's eyes from that moment on, they are looking all over the room, not where a TV would be, especially on the shooting ones. Whether they're actually playing a game or not is debateable, there's no way of telling. Then at the end where you see the TV, the Revolution is pointing exactly at the TV, a projector would be pointing exactly at the point you would want to be playing it. The TV was off when you saw it, the Revolution controller would turn the Revo off, not the TV. I think the Revo was projecting the image onto the TV, or the white wall behind it.
I allways thought it was strange that the revolution was pointing towards the TV and not the player.
Stocka
22-02-2006, 03:16 PM
Everyone watch the original controller video again from TGS 2005.
Skip to round about the middle, where the nun-chuck appears. Look at everyone's eyes from that moment on, they are looking all over the room, not where a TV would be, especially on the shooting ones. Whether they're actually playing a game or not is debateable, there's no way of telling. Then at the end where you see the TV, the Revolution is pointing exactly at the TV, a projector would be pointing exactly at the point you would want to be playing it. The TV was off when you saw it, the Revolution controller would turn the Revo off, not the TV. I think the Revo was projecting the image onto the TV, or the white wall behind it.
Exactly.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/Kschreck19/LookMomNoPowerCables.jpg
Whether they're actually playing a game or not is debateable, there's no way of telling.
I can field this one - they're not doing anything more than being paid to look like they're having fun. What looks exciting to someone watching an advert? It's certainly not this.
http://www.lanarchy.co.uk/events/venues/harrowarena/harrow_arena.jpg
Take a look at the feature on the DS in the new Official Nintendo Magazine. The people holding DSes are doing just that - holding them. The machines are off. The photographer's handed them a DS each and said "Look like you're having fun".
Sigh.
I know the idea of alternative displays sounds attractive but really, what does it improve over normal displays?
Also, how can you use the teaser as a reliable source? It's not as though they were actually playing games in it, you know.
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