SSBM - Who do you go?

[Charlie]

Everyone's got their own character in SSBM, who's yours?

My favourite is Roy because of his smash attacks, they're just so good. I used to go Ganondorf and Yoshi before I discovered how good the c-stick is. I ditched Yoshi because he doesn't have triple jump like all the others so it's harder to get back on after you've been hit off (Roy has a sort of quadriple jump, press left/right + B and you can reach a little bit further each time you press, do your normal triple jump first though).

[link64uk]

mario is my all round choice his smash attacks are decent and he is simple to use.
but i also use link for his speed and agility

[ShadowV7]

Link for me,my best char is Link cause hes more balanced then Fox for his speed,but mostly Link

[zaraki]

Falco.Even though his identical to Fox, I play better with him (I think)

[Pijo]

Kirby.
As he's one of the fastest, and has great moves, especially for mid air combat.

[Eddage]

I use Young Link, whilst he isn't as powerfull as the adult version his great speed makes up for it although his left/right smash doesn't actually send them anywhere which can get a bit annoying when you forget (although it is good for drawing them in for another attack, e.g. down smash which does actually send them flying and hits people on both sides ^_^ )

[|Laguna|]

Has to be Young Link. He's a spped demon and just looks so much cooler than the older version. And young link drinks his Lon Lon Milk :yes: :o

Pikachu is also good but it's a bit of a bummer his own attaqcks hirt him, like that lighting bolt one (down and B)

[Din]

Everyone's got their own character in SSBM, who's yours?

I used to go Ganondorf and Yoshi before I discovered how good the c-stick is.
C-Stick is cheating!!!! My mate used to use it all the time until we made him stop.

[Charlie]

C-Stick is cheating!!!! My mate used to use it all the time until we made him stop.

I was going to say it feels like cheating using it, but the 3 other people I play with all use it aswell so it isn't really that bad.

(Also, I would suck without it :P)

[Konfucius]

My favourite character is also Link. I think he is quite well balanced and I particularly like his Spin attack.
I also use Falcon sometimes, especially in team battle when my mates is Link, since his Down+B can hit multiple enemies (in this case 2 :) ) at once.

[Ray Falling]

Roy always. Cause I like to show off doing that double edge dance. And the Flare Blade is so cool n_n. Counter is ace too.

I own with Pikachu but thats getting old. Sometimes its fun to surprise people by beating them as Jigglypuff (rest is evil *giggles* )

Also play as Kirby alot cause he's overall very good. But mostly Roy. Can't lose. n_n

Its more fun though if yer opponent knows all the dodge moves and stuff cause if they dont you can beat em as anyone really n_n

--Ray

[Kurtle Squad]

I use Mario, Ness & Pikachu the most!!

Then probably Marth, Samus & Jigglypuff

I use Fox/Falco & Zelda/Shiek sometimes too, n probably some others, haha!!

[Stocka]

Roy's my boy. And its likely I'll use him most the time online in SSBR too. I hope theres many new characters though, Golden Sun characters anyone?

[Kurtle Squad]

I'd like to see Golden Sun people (Isaac & Felix) They'd be like Marth & Roy but with magic, haha!!

[Hudsoo]

Mr game and watch is slighty hard to control but he is great to use with his simple and retro animations
I (unfortunatly........well maybe) use adult Link because using his sword attacks is easier than roy's/marth's......but thats my view

[Smalldude76]

Falco. He's fairly quick although not as quick as Fox, has a highish jump, and does his moves very quickly+powerfully. When Revolution comes I'll have to destroy you all :)

[darksnowman]

Pikachu! He was my favourite in the N64 one so he carried through into the Cube one for me. Nice and fast, nimble, small, good at jumping... some good moves like thunder and his throw is quality.

However, Ive never even touched the c-stick while playing this. Well all I thought it did was make the menu's tilt, cant think of anything else I used it for. What you ones talking about, cheats??

[Ginger_Chris]

pikatchu, always something satisfying about beating people with such a universally loathed character. jiglypuff also works. I quite like roy and mew2 aswell, roybecasue he kicks ass and mew2 for that one throw where he makes the person spin around the straight up off the screen.

darksnowman, you cna use the c-stick to perform smash attacks quickly. its a little cheating by being able to pull of a smash attack so easily. but its an uncharged smash attack, so not as powerful as if u do one normally and charge before you smash. on a related note, it makes the menus tilt???

[Ray Falling]

Roy's my boy. And its likely I'll use him most the time online in SSBR too. I hope theres many new characters though, Golden Sun characters anyone?

Though I'd love Golden Sun characters in SSBM they arnt Nintendo classic characters 0_0 so I'm not sure if they are allowed n_n but I'd love it anyway.
Maybe they'll go non-Nintendo classic on Rev SSBM but the point to SSB was its classic Nintendo characters fighting eachother, not just any character from any random game ;_;

--Ray

[LazyBoy]

I'm all about Faclon, fast moving and powerful. His only downfall is that there is a slight pause before each move. Luckily my timing is perfect and i'm really good at faking out counter happy characters.

When we play doubles my mate uses Link, and we are unbeatable. My second character is Samus, but mainly because I love Metroid games.

Obviously we gonna try and set up some matches on Revo-Europe, but maybe we could set up a doubles tournament aswell.

[The3rdChildren]

I'm all about Pikachu. I was on the N64 and am now on the GameCube. Pikachu with the baseball cap is my choice, and bloody annoying he is too.

[Sarka]

Roy, Ness or Ganondorf! They're all grea tin their own way, Roy can kinda be used with many tactics. Ness is fun to play with, but he has no kinda finishy moves. Gonondorf has some cool attacks!

[Pjv]

Main:Falco
Secondary:Link,Gannon,Kirby.
BTW, go to http://smashboards.com/ for good SSBM discussion. It also has a thread about SSB for Revo in the Melee discussion, with currently 302 pages :eek:
Also, don't forget to check the site's DC++ hub, where you can get vids and other stuff ;)

[kav82]

I find that I'm probably at my peak with Luigi, for me he is the most balanced character there is!

[masaki86]

Ganondorf can just about destroy any of the other characters in the game. His charged kicks can send all comers flying.

[bob]

Jigglypuff, pikachu or Donkey Kong.......Ness also, but thats only to stand in the middle of the screen and constantly go 'Okaaay' to irritate people.

[Sooj]

Zelda all the way.

If not Zelda then Kirby or Ganon :P

[Retro_Link]

It was Pikachu for me on the N64, but for the GC;
either Pikachu, Mario, Samus or Link, it depends who i'm fighting!!

[Eddage]

it depends who i'm fighting!!

Well when you were fighting me the last time it didn't really matter, I whooped your ass no matter who you were!

[Fierce_LiNk]

Ganondorf can just about destroy any of the other characters in the game. His charged kicks can send all comers flying.

I like you. Ganondorf is my favourite too, by a country mile. He may not be as fast as some of the other characters, but he's got tremendous power and strength. My favourite attack would have to be his kick (down and B) closely followed by his super dooper punch :heh:
His smash attack is pretty good too, and has buggerloads of power.

My second favourite character would probably be Bowser. Mainly for the power again. My brother used to go as Bowser when we played this game together, so i've experience playing as bowser and against bowser.

Third favourite would be Captain Falcon. Mainly because i love him in the F ZERO games, but also because he's a watered down version of ganondorf. His speed is brilliant.

Favourite stage: Kirby's fountain of dreams. :)

[Retro_Link]

Well when you were fighting me the last time it didn't really matter, I whooped your ass no matter who you were!
LOL, :grin:

Ok, that last match was EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY close, and i now consider Pikachu to be at a disadvantage against Young Link, so i reckon i fought really well (well i would wouldn't I!!)
Samus is too slow against Young Link and Marios moves too short range (though great if you can get them in and keep them going);

Hmmmm, me thinks a rethink and then some training are in order; then.......

REMATCH!!

[I like nintendo]

I use samus, because most of her attacks are projectiles

[Cheapshot]

I would say Captain Falcon - he's powerful, pretty quick and his "show me your moves!" taunt pisses off all.

When I unlock more characters (just re-bought the game a week ago) it would probably be Ganon but I'm not sure if he's as good as I remember.

[ConanTheLibrarian]

I use Kirby. Good in the air.

[diddy]

Luigi is the man to use and you all know it :grin:

How can you resist that moustache?!?!?!?!?!

LOL

[Tyson]

Marth, because of the sole reason I rock with him.

I used Jigglypuff to kill Giga bowser and stuff though, that was awesome.

[Minlack]

I always use Gannon! He's a bit slow qand requires some skill to keep him on the platforms on the moving level, but he sure packs one hell of a punch. He's basically Captain Falcon on steroids...

[Jordan]

I use either Young Link or Fox. I'm a speed character player. If i'm in danger just run off and do a crazy backflip. Then run straight back at them... fun :)

[Sexual Chocolate]

Despite clearly being inferior to Roy I went Marth.

And Captain Falcon does say "Show your boots" when you taunt, doesn't he.......?

[Minlack]

"Show me your moves" isn't it.....or something like that. I never hear it clearly through all the "Pikachu being burnt alive" shrieks.

[catsamurai88]

I'm a Falcon sort of person as well. I'm surprised there aren't more of us.
I'm at a level now though that I can use any character fairly competently, since my core fighting style transcends characters.

I've gone off SSBM, after 300+ hrs of play, playing with similarly skilled friends just isn't satisfying anymore. Sure, for comedic value it's great. But once the background features give way to serious fighting, it is decidedly unfulfilling.
Fighting against my friend (who uses Fox), our 10 life Stock battles involved tense encounters with both of us rolling around on the ground like one legged chimps. We would regularly go over a minute before inflicting minor damage.

I ask you, now that the furore surrounding SSBM has worn off, does anyone believe it really is all *that*?

While it is great for multiplayer romps, is it as CUBE say; is it ultimately shallow? I say yes. Now that I've devoted so much time into it, I really have very little room for continued improvement. It seems to lack a certain longevity.

Forgive this essay, I felt the need the write a substantial response.

[Retro_Link]

And Captain Falcon does say "Show your boots" when you taunt, doesn't he.......?
LOL,

"Show your moves"!!

As for taunts;
I like Links casual flick of the hair,
For annoying taunts; Ganondorfs mocking "ha ha ha haa"


I've gone off SSBM, after 300+ hrs of play,

does anyone believe it really is all *that*?

is it ultimately shallow? I say yes.
Are you kidding?

It gave you 300+ hours of gameplay, can't have been that shallow!!! I'll bet you haven't mananged anything close to that with other games!

I believe the game to be more than "all that";
For the ammount of single and multiplayer enjoyment i've got from the game I hold it in extremely high regard! and easisly as one of the best games and one of the best games this generation!

Believe me, give it a month or so and you'll go back to it!

[BeerMonkey]

i use captain falcon "falcon kick" and "falcon punch" are deadly :D

[catsamurai88]

Are you kidding?

It gave you 300+ hours of gameplay, can't have been that shallow!!! I'll bet you haven't mananged anything close to that with other games!

Not kidding at all. I've racked up 110hrs in Soul Calibur 2 which I got a lot later than SSBM. Then there's my 230 hrs in Pokemon Silver. My Perfect Dark time is also substantial.

Keep in mind I'm talking about the Power Time. I'm not the only one who plays it. And it's air time was boosted a lot with it being one of my two games for several months.

I'm not denying it's capability to provide players with enjoyment. Heck, the game persuaded two of my friends to get a GCN. (Not easy in Australia.)
I'm saying that in the long term, the game reveals itself to be inherently shallow with the same players/scenario.

Hopefully, with the online Rev. version I'll be able to prolong the game's lastability by playing with some of you guys/gals and showing you my fabled Discipline of the One-Legged Chimp.

Will the online game prove as amusing though, without four people nearby yelling at each other. Who knows.

Any other long time players with confirm that in the long term the game lacks the depth of something like Soul Calibur 2.

I'm not going to write much more. I'm just trying to say that my seeming hypocrisy has a reason behind it. My initial thrill with the game only lasted so long before I realised it's various weaknesses.

[Librarian]

ages since I played this.. but Ness must be my favorite.. also used Donkey Kong quite a bit

[kellett03]

people that use Link have yet to see the true power of ganon. :) just so fun knocking your oponent out of the area when their on 80 damage with ganon. im more off slow powerful character then one that flies jump all day.

love his taut lol

[masaki86]

I like you. Ganondorf is my favourite too, by a country mile. He may not be as fast as some of the other characters, but he's got tremendous power and strength. My favourite attack would have to be his kick (down and B) closely followed by his super dooper punch :heh:
His smash attack is pretty good too, and has buggerloads of power.

Hehe; that's the kick I'm on about. Such an awesome character, be it in the Zelda series or SSBM. I'd like to see his pig form make an appearance in the next SSB as that would bring with it his trident of doom!!

[Eddage]

Hmmmm, me thinks a rethink and then some training are in order; then.......

REMATCH!!

Okay, you practice all you like, I'll sit around and do not much, maybe play some Skies, then still kick your ass!

*begins to regret saying this as the floor will probably now be wiped with Young Links testicles :eer: *

[xanikseo]

Adult Link is awesome and his attacks send people flying :yes:. When I use fox, I play better though, because it takes slightly longer for Link to react to what I press.

[gothchild]

Myself, my favorite is Roy. Powerful yes, but also pretty damn cool!.
Second Link, third Samus

[FalcoLombardi]

Falco Lombardi, without a doubt.

[Retro_Link]

Not kidding at all.
I meant, how can you call it shallow when you get 300+ hours out of it;
but you explained your reasons!

Okay, you practice all you like, I'll sit around and do not much, maybe play some Skies, then still kick your ass!

begins to regret saying this
lol;

we shall see!

[Josh64]

I mainly use link, I love his spinning attack, I sometimes use bowser too, Because his smash attacks send people flying, the only let down is that i get really agrovated using him because he walks so slow. Lol. And have you got a favorite level? Mines the one where your on top of buildings in the city and the U.F.O swoops down. Thats a cool level.

[Caris]

Mine would have to be Marth but in White! i seem to play better with him in white than any other colour even tho he looks like someone from westlife haha, reason i picked him was he his fast,strong and looks the bomb.

[MindFreak]

Strange.. Nobody has mentioned Mewtwo..

My fave is Mewtwo.. He's fast enough, very powerful, a great jumper, has some great smah/aerial and the best throw in the game!

I like Zelda, too..

I have come back to this game now.. I haven't played it for half a year, but now I am trying to complete it with every character on hard difficulty..

Unfortunately, none of my friends are any good at this game.. I can only play against the computer, which tend to get borring.. For warm-up I play Event 51 - With Mewtwo.. I've completed it in less then 2.30 !! (minutes, of course..) :D

My fave level is Final Destination without items.. Pure skills are needed.. no luck.. nothing..:)

I hate to play with or against Luigi, since he's unpredictable..

[Tyson]

My fave level is Final Destination without items.. Pure skills are needed.. no luck.. nothing..:)


Agreed. 'Tis a shame I can never play against anyone with skill, the computer teaming on me is easy because of there repetetism. I have one friend with slight skill but he is nothing to me! NOTHING!

Can't wait for the revolution smash bros, the only problem is getting used to new ways of playing it.

And also, if Nintendo removes Marth I will cry.

[Sprout]

And also, if Nintendo removes Marth I will cry.

I doubt that Nintendo would remove any current characters, especially our Fire Emblem boys, they're so damn popular with many people.

Oh yes, the topic question. Well, I can play well with every character (it really pisses people off when I destroy them with Pichu for some reson :heh: ) but I'd have to say that my favourite character to use would be Kirby. Whenever I'm about to go down, I always try to take someone with me, usually someone with low damage. Ah yes, the kirby suicide maneuver is most useful :). I also commonly use Mario, Young Link, Roy and Pikachu.

[Tyson]

I doubt that Nintendo would remove any current characters, especially our Fire Emblem boys, they're so damn popular with many people.

Oh yes, the topic question. Well, I can play well with every character (it really pisses people off when I destroy them with Pichu for some reson :heh: ) but I'd have to say that my favourite character to use would be Kirby. Whenever I'm about to go down, I always try to take someone with me, usually someone with low damage. Ah yes, the kirby suicide maneuver is most useful :). I also commonly use Mario, Young Link, Roy and Pikachu.
I prefer Donkey Kong for suicides.

I used to use Kirby most, but I got into Marth and he has now matched his high kills.

Also, does anyone but me prefer duels as opposed to 4 people?

[Bowser.Vs.FWNT]

Fox McCloud all the way!

[jakeee]

I like Ganondorf. He has incredible strength and he's so cool ;)

[MidnightSun]

Link, in red.

I love pulling in people with the grappling hook, throwing them up in the air, keeping them up there with my sword attack, then unleashing a jumping spin attack knocking them off the screen. Then going to the corner, throwing bombs / arrows / boomarangs to keep them off the edge.. and if they do come closer, a spin attack.

[Enigma]

1. Roy (he´s so cool)
2. Marth (he´s so fast)
3. Ganondorf (he´s so strong)

[Flameblade]

Strange.. Nobody has mentioned Mewtwo..

My fave is Mewtwo.. He's fast enough, very powerful, a great jumper, has some great smah/aerial and the best throw in the game!

Damn straight. People think Mewtwo is naff bcause he handles differently, but he's the best character if you can use him, his strafe, if well timed, makes him untouchable. Just strafe behind them, grab, whack, and throw. Simple, yet awesome looking and painful.

[Kurtle Squad]

That is indeed correct Flameblade....You kick my arse all the time with him :doh:
Except yesterday when i won every round...YAY!!

I was gonna say no-one likes him cos he handles different, but you've said it already. Heheh

I notice no-one's said Ice Climbers, hahaha, they are only cool cos the COM's good with them. I don't think anybody's said Bowser, Peach or Pichu either!! What a surprise :lmao: Though i think Peach is good for those who can use her, as is Yoshi

[kav82]

They're all good, really good in different ways, but as i said, i feel luigi is the most balanced for me!

[Flameblade]

That is indeed correct Flameblade....You kick my arse all the time with him :doh:
Except yesterday when i won every round...YAY!!

I wasn't Mewtwo though.

[djamb3]

For me is there's only one:

SHEIK

I love her agility and speed.I don't let oponents to reach the floor yeah =P

[Hellfire]

Link's ma man. His attacks have great range and he's moderately strong. The combination between melee and long range attacks make him a winner. There are lots of great characters like Falco, Kirby, Roy or Ganondorf, but I'm used to Link.

[Skyla]

Mewtwo and Falco Lombardi are my two most played characters.

I love Mewtwo's upward throw ^_^ and he is the coolest + cutes character in the game; I say.

Falco is so fast and can jump so high. It is so funny when you wear the bunny hood; you confuse everyone.

Also; I love playing as Mr Game & Watch. I can't help grabbing a friend and repetedly bashing them with the bell to piss them off.

[wavedash]

1. Marth ( been using him since i got the game)
2.Samus (missile canceling and bomb jumps combos)
3.Falco (just plain fun to combo with)
4.Sheik (one of my old fav characters)
5.Captain Falcon (I just love using the dreaded knee! (fair))
6.Mewtwo (hardly anyone uses him, so i just do)

[Retro_Link]

The best? Nah. Not at all... infact... very, very far from it.
I dunno, he is a pretty good character if you get good with him (though i've never played as him really).
He does have some powerful moves and also his teleport is one on the best recovery moves in the game.

[gaggle64]

I think it's purely palyer preference most of the time.

I always go Captain Falcon. Fast, powerful, all the reach of the Canadian government though.

[Librarian]

We need som Gorons in there!!!

[Syxoed]

Pikachu.
He's my toy in super smash bros, I love that game!

[Ganz]

Gotta go with Bowser or Kirby there!
Even though Bowser is soooo incredibly slow, his powerful smash attacks make up for it, I mean come on, isn't throwing Jigglypuff off the side of the screen fun or what? But Kirby as well, that flying ability has saved my ass so many times now.

[chillychili]

I use Yoshi, Jigglypuff, Dr Mario, Marth and sometimes Ness or Mewtwo.

[Nintendork]

Luigi, but I suck.. I'll train hard in the run up to Dojo.

[Lance]

Woah, massive bumpage from last year, on-topic though I love Fox, he's incredibly fast and has some great smash attacks :bouncy:

Lance

[Atomic Boo]

samus, DK,falco,roy = quality

[Nintendo Fan]

Pikachu if you can play him he's awsome. Nice sig King Boo

[Atomic Boo]

Pikachu if you can play him he's awsome. Nice sig King Boo

complement redshell - he made it (although i guess i gave him my idea)

[Jimbob]

Depends, i use Mario, Link, Ganondorf and Mewtwo a lot of the time. But as i said, it depends who i play against.

[/ nando /]

..Link until I unlock some characters.. (my girlfriend is giving the game to me at Christmas, but I already played it briefly a few weeks ago.. hopefully the next time I play it it will be in my shiny new Wii..)

[Letty]

Kirby, because I cheat and fly away the whole time...

[Goron_3]

Marth and Fox!

[chrizkerr2]

Falco / Mewtwo fan myself, Mewtwo is a very strong character if played well, and normally choose Falco for the fast passed punch and retreat tactic xD

[KKOB]

SAMUS!!!! then ice climbers oddly enough lol

[Emasher]

i like younge link because of his downward stab and his speed

[Bogbas]

Bowser's my favourite. Even though I play better with marth or roy... But it doesn't matter as I'll lose with anybody when I play against my little brother.

[Ten10]

I used to be a pikachu guy, since he was my best character from the n64 version, but I soon switched to Marth. I choose Marth over Roy purely because he doesn't sacrifice speed over power.

[solitanze]

Roy as well. Powerful smash attacks, Marths are relatively weak compared to Roys smash attacks, its the way I beat the difficult challenges in the game to beat this game 100%, cowards way, let the Ai approach me clobber them with a charged b shot or a smash attack.

[Blue_Ninja0]

Mario, Link, Kirby

[Fruitgun]

Pikachu - Good speed, the Down Smash attack is good for getting mulitple enemies, and using Thunder is always handy to knock characters off the stage easily, and quick attack is extremely useful.

Falco - Speed and a killer Down + B move.

Bowser - Slow, but hard to knock off the stage and packs a big puch. Also use B for quick (and annoying for other players) % increase.

Kirby - Good speed, good at getting back on the stage but is extremely light so gets knocked off fairly quickly. Be wary to use Down + B too often.

This is generally who I pick. But they all rock! (with exclusion of Dr. Mario.)

[Marthuser]

Roy as well. Powerful smash attacks, Marths are relatively weak compared to Roys smash attacks,

I choose Marth over Roy purely because he doesn't sacrifice speed over power.

Actually, almost all of Marth's attacks do more damage than Roy's correpsonding attacks.

[Adrian DX]

Actually, almost all of Marth's attacks do more damage than Roy's correpsonding attacks.

Roy is a low tier, but I'm not sure if his attacks are weaker than Marth's.

Roy used to be my favorite character, but I was forced to change during Smashers Reunion a few weeks ago (Smashers Reunion = 4 day constant Smash Bros. tournaments with over 60 players).

Now I usually play with Marth, Samus, Falco, Link or Roy (if its a low tier match).

[Marthuser]

No, Marth does more damage.

Roy is a clone of Marth in that they feature pretty much the same movement and attack style, but their specifications are different. Roy seems at first to be a slower and stronger version of Marth, but he is actually almost the opposite; he has a fast dash, a fast and long dash dance, and a fast fall that gives speed to his short hop aerials almost as well as Marth, and his DED is very useful in battle, but his moves actually do rather low damage, and it is hard to land his primary killing move, his forward smash. It was determined professionally that Marth can KO better with his swordplay, which has a sweet spot on the tip of the sword, while Roy's sweet spot is more in the middle. Roy's forward Smash and chargeable B are decent at edge-guarding, and Roy has a great grab range like Marth and has a potentially effective move in his Counter, but it is his lack of a projectile, short recovery, and easiness to be juggled and comboed, added with his low general damage, that ultimately make Marth the better fighter. Roy is mainly popular to use in the single-player modes of Melee.

[The-chosen-one]

i go with Link , Samus , Captain falcon

[Goron_3]

Yeah Marth is a MILE stronger, faster and can combo FAR better.

[Mike1988uk]

I always used to go as Link normally, i don't know why i just 'suited' to him. Every now and then i would go as Gannondorf for a change (and sometimes it worked quite well when he got some of his more powerful moves in).

[mcj metroid]

I find that kirby is the easiest chacacter to do the challanges with. Down and b works wonder sometimes with an unexperienced player.

[Emasher]

Samus is my best character but i will use young link sometimes too and i'm not bad with mario.

[Jonnas]

Ganondorf is my main. Captain Falcon is a close second. Fox comes third.

Characters I like using, but not necessarily good with:

-Samus
-Falco
-Mewtwo
-Luigi
-Kirby
-Pikachu
-Mr. Game & Watch
-Ice Climbers
-Donkey Kong
-Bowser

This is why I love Smash Bros. So much variety and the characters are so much fun to use.

[Kirbii]

Ganondorf is my main. Captain Falcon is a close second. Fox comes third.

Characters I like using, but not necessarily good with:

-Samus
-Falco
-Mewtwo
-Luigi
-Kirby
-Pikachu
-Mr. Game & Watch
-Ice Climbers
-Donkey Kong
-Bowser

This is why I love Smash Bros. So much variety and the characters are so much fun to use.
a big selection

[Jonnas]

a big selection

As I said, I just find it really fun to play as those guys. And I forgot Jigglypuff! I love ticking off my friends with the Rest attack.

Besides, there are many others I hate using as well.

-Peach
-Zelda
-Ness
-Pichu
-Yoshi
-Roy
-Link

[Sheikah]

It would have to be Link for me. He has very balanced methods of fighting. He's a great melee fighter as well as having some great projectiles. A powered up bow can hit for 30, a close range boomerang the same. A bomb can cut people up before you launch a melee attack. His cyclone slash is great for clearing shield rollers.

Two of my friends play Roy and Marth. The Marth friend is speedy and great at countering, while the Roy friend is extremely powerful and can take me out quite often.

[Goron_3]

It would have to be Link for me. He has very balanced methods of fighting. He's a great melee fighter as well as having some great projectiles. A powered up bow can hit for 30, a close range boomerang the same. A bomb can cut people up before you launch a melee attack. His cyclone slash is great for clearing shield rollers.

Two of my friends play Roy and Marth. The Marth friend is speedy and great at countering, while the Roy friend is extremely powerful and can take me out quite often.

If the roy player is more powerful, that marth guy can't play properly, considering marth is so much stronger.

[Max780]

Zelda/Sheik I don't know why ,but I've always kicked butt with her.

[Sheikah]

If the roy player is more powerful, that marth guy can't play properly, considering marth is so much stronger.

Roy does more damage, pretty simple really. Also it tends to be a lot easier to get stuck into someone, rather than keep enough distance when slicing (regarding dealing best damage with tip/length of blade).

Besides, it's not the Marth player being bad, it's the Roy player being very good. Anyone can beat anyone if they are more skilled.

[Goron_3]

Roy does more damage, pretty simple really. Also it tends to be a lot easier to get stuck into someone, rather than keep enough distance when slicing (regarding dealing best damage with tip/length of blade).

Besides, it's not the Marth player being bad, it's the Roy player being very good. Anyone can beat anyone if they are more skilled.

lol, Marths tip does WAY more damage than Roys sweetspot. Even been on smashwiki? And i doubt he's 'very good', probs just good for a noob, because if he was truly a good player and new al the techniques (wavedashing, l-cancelling, wall/ledge-teching, SHFLL'ing and DI, then you'd all know is FAR weaker.

[Sheikah]

lol, Marths tip does WAY more damage than Roys sweetspot. Even been on smashwiki? And i doubt he's 'very good', probs just good for a noob, because if he was truly a good player and new al the techniques (wavedashing, l-cancelling, wall/ledge-teching, SHFLL'ing and DI, then you'd all know is FAR weaker.

No, what I mean is, if someone is more skilled than the other player, they can defeat them with whatever character they want.

Marth is definitely faster, but Roy seems to be more powerful. This is just a general observation over the years with people of varying skill. Not just with attacks, his B charge up goes to an extra level to do a 1-hit kill. I know smashwiki lists Marth as more powerful, but unless you're going at competetive play level that isn't really the case. Besides, smashwiki does list most of his moves (non smash-A) as being more powerful than Marth, making me mostly correct there.

And I really do think it's a lot easier to do max damage with Roy than with Marth. You have to judge your distance with Marth to get that 'sweet spot'.


Don't go listing 'wavedashing' etc, to 99.99% of people who play this game that is irrelevant, and to train to be that good (IMO) seems like a waste of time. We are people who play for fun. :)

Edit: I am not saying Roy is better than Marth, just at a non competetive level Roy seems to deal more damage from basic attacks (not going by how the person plays with him), while Marth is very speedy.

[Goron_3]

No, what I mean is, if someone is more skilled than the other player, they can defeat them with whatever character they want.

Marth is definitely faster, but Roy seems to be more powerful. This is just a general observation over the years with people of varying skill. Not just with attacks, his B charge up goes to an extra level to do a 1-hit kill. I know smashwiki lists Marth as more powerful, but unless you're going at competetive play level that isn't really the case. Besides, smashwiki does list most of his moves (non smash-A) as being more powerful than Marth, making me mostly correct there.

And I really do think it's a lot easier to do max damage with Roy than with Marth. You have to judge your distance with Marth to get that 'sweet spot'.


Don't go listing 'wavedashing' etc, to 99.99% of people who play this game that is irrelevant, and to train to be that good (IMO) seems like a waste of time. We are people who play for fun. :)

Edit: I am not saying Roy is better than Marth, just at a non competetive level Roy seems to deal more damage from basic attacks (not going by how the person plays with him), while Marth is very speedy.

lol, so I don't play for fun? FFS, I love this game with a bloody passion, i'd say i enjoy more than you because I'm able to get more out of it. And actually, there's only a small amount of people that don't use tecnhiques (mainly in England and other Euro countries); most of America (where the game has sold incredibly well because of it's competitive nature) plays with em.

[Jonnas]

lol, so I don't play for fun? FFS, I love this game with a bloody passion, i'd say i enjoy more than you because I'm able to get more out of it. And actually, there's only a small amount of people that don't use tecnhiques (mainly in England and other Euro countries); most of America (where the game has sold incredibly well because of it's competitive nature) plays with em.

Before another "Casual players vs. Advanced players" discussion erupts here, let's put some thing straight.

When "casual players" say they play for fun, they mean mindless fun. As in a quick game with nothing at stake and where laughs and madness is all that matters.
I don't doubt that "advanced players" play the game for fun, too, but it's a different kind of fun, it's a competitive fun, where skill of the player and the winner matters more than everything.
I just wanted to say that, because many useless discussions about this erupt because of this misunderstansing. Sheikah meant mindless fun, which is the kind of fun you enjoy the least (for SSBM). He's not saying you don't have fun as well.

Also, the game didn't sell well because of competitive playing, it sold well because it's Nintendo All-Stars and was well received by most.
And the majority of people who have it don't play it competitively. Just the people who loved it the most (and those who love competition, too).

About Marth and Roy, I think there is a balance problem between those two.
Roy is supposed to be more powerful, but Marth can be just as powerful with his tip (if used correctly). Roy is supposed to be better in close range, but the long sword doesn't help. End result, Marth ends up being better in a skilled player's hand and Roy is more difficult to master.

By the way, I don't play competitively. Take my opinion for what you think it's worth.

[Goron_3]

Ok Jonnas, I like your post. You're kinda on the right track :)

A couple of things however:

1. Me and Zell play competitively, and winning isn't everything at all. It's only about winning if you're at a tourny playing for money., and even then most of the time you play competitively to understand your playstyle and get better. Winning is nice but even when I get beaten it allows me to understand more about what I can/can't do.

2. And yeah, I agree what you said about Roy/Marth. Thing is, no player is going to get hit with a smash attack unless they can't dodge or have slow reflexes. With good spacing Marth is more powerful, but i'd rather use roy against computers (in the Event modes for example) because you don't have to worry about spacing because they're idiots :heh:

[Sheikah]

Ok Jonnas, I like your post. You're kinda on the right track :)

A couple of things however:

1. Me and Zell play competitively, and winning isn't everything at all. It's only about winning if you're at a tourny playing for money., and even then most of the time you play competitively to understand your playstyle and get better. Winning is nice but even when I get beaten it allows me to understand more about what I can/can't do.

2. And yeah, I agree what you said about Roy/Marth. Thing is, no player is going to get hit with a smash attack unless they can't dodge or have slow reflexes. With good spacing Marth is more powerful, but i'd rather use roy against computers (in the Event modes for example) because you don't have to worry about spacing because they're idiots :heh:

Honestly I think the percentage of people using techniques such as wavedash and the like would be very, very slim. Most people I know can dodge well and have good reflexes, so it's as if you're playing extremely good, as far as you can go without learning additional techniques. Call it having 'adapted' to the noncompetitive way.

I don't think that the people who train competetively have the same motives as those people who just play for fun, so to put it. Professional players must train a hell of a lot, and no doubt a lot of focus becomes on ranking etc. I suppose it's like professional sports players and people who just go play a sport for a bit of fun. Professional sports players will have fun too, but they have a lot more at stake and must put in a lot of difficult training.

[UK]

Kirby. Failing that Ganondorf. Kirby can fly, for petesake.

[Ellmeister]

Falco.
Link.
Captain falcon/ganondorf. =]

[Deathborn]

Mainly Kung-Fu Jigglypuff, the ultimate warrior. I also love playing as Roy.

[skarmachild]

Jigglypuff. Undefeated as him.

[Linkster7]

Never lost a fight as young link, allthough the people I play SSBM with are not that good at the game so. So my biggest challenge is 3 Cpu's at 9. I wish I had friends who could play video games. ;/.
Point is Young Link rules, fast and small ^^

[Marthuser]

Marth is definitely faster, but Roy seems to be more powerful. This is just a general observation over the years with people of varying skill. Not just with attacks, his B charge up goes to an extra level to do a 1-hit kill. I know smashwiki lists Marth as more powerful, but unless you're going at competetive play level that isn't really the case. Besides, smashwiki does list most of his moves (non smash-A) as being more powerful than Marth, making me mostly correct there.

Marth IS more powerful. Not only is it easier to land 'killing' blows he also does more in the majority of his moves. Go here (http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=smash&message.id=10698) for a complete list.

And I really do think it's a lot easier to do max damage with Roy than with Marth. You have to judge your distance with Marth to get that 'sweet spot'.

Thing is, you don't have to let your enemies get close to pull it off. Hitting them from further away while doing the same damage is an advantage.

Don't go listing 'wavedashing' etc, to 99.99% of people who play this game that is irrelevant, and to train to be that good (IMO) seems like a waste of time. We are people who play for fun. :)

I'd say it's more around 50% or so. Also, as it's been pointed out already, everyone plays for fun.

Also, Roy can be considered faster than Marth as he falls quicker and has a longer dash dance.

[Sheikah]

Marth IS more powerful. Not only is it easier to land 'killing' blows he also does more in the majority of his moves. Go here (http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=smash&message.id=10698) for a complete list.



Thing is, you don't have to let your enemies get close to pull it off. Hitting them from further away while doing the same damage is an advantage.



I'd say it's more around 50% or so. Also, as it's been pointed out already, everyone plays for fun.

Also, Roy can be considered faster than Marth as he falls quicker and has a longer dash dance.

I think we can go ahead and say from your username you are a bit biased. ;)

On that link you provided:



This is right…to an extent. Like I said before, most newbs just spam smashes and tilts with Roy without any regard to the sweet-spot or his aerial game, so in their case Roy would be better.

It also goes on to say that if both characters were used to the full potential, if you use aerial attacks etc then Marth would be better. Basically that's confirmation of what I'm saying- noncompetitive players probably won't have a formulated and researched style, as a result Roy will be stronger in your average match (obviously not at some competetive level).

As for the techniques, honestly, the amount who must have used gamefaqs or some other related site to read techniques and then practiced over them at most must be 0.1%, although is probably a hell of a lot lower, simply because there are far fewer 'game nerds' (sorry to brand this so harshly) than people who just play the games for fun, alongside all the other console's games.

I honestly, honestly cannot see 50% of people - what's that, millions of people, brushing up on gamefaqs on how to use wavedash etc, then going to their gc/wii and spending hour upon hour (on a game that was released years and years ago) to 'train' their characters, yet at competitions the turnout is generally pisspoor.

Sorry, you talk bollocks. :(

[Jonnas]

It also goes on to say that if both characters were used to the full potential, if you use aerial attacks etc then Marth would be better. Basically that's confirmation of what I'm saying- noncompetitive players probably won't have a formulated and researched style, as a result Roy will be stronger in your average match (obviously not at some competetive level).

Yeah, we can all agree that in advanced matches Marth > Roy.
However, in casual matches both guys have different strenghts and it all depends on whatever skills the players have.

As for the techniques, honestly, the amount who must have used gamefaqs or some other related site to read techniques and then practiced over them at most must be 0.1%, although is probably a hell of a lot lower, simply because there are far fewer 'game nerds' (sorry to brand this so harshly) than people who just play the games for fun, alongside all the other console's games.

I honestly, honestly cannot see 50% of people - what's that, millions of people, brushing up on gamefaqs on how to use wavedash etc, then going to their gc/wii and spending hour upon hour (on a game that was released years and years ago) to 'train' their characters, yet at competitions the turnout is generally pisspoor.

Sorry, you talk bollocks. :(

To be honest, nobody knows the true amount of people that play it competitively (I believe it reaches 10% at least).
The people who like to play SSBM competitively are the same people who love competition in fighting games. SSBM just happens to be a balanced fighting game that can be played in skill-mode or party-mode.

Besides, I don't think there really is a need to use Wavedash, SHFFL, L-cancel, etc. I have seen a few tourney matches via youtube that didn't use them.
Sure, the players had an excellent control of air-dodge, prediction and amazing combos, but they were the best that they could be, without utilising the "advanced" techniques. :wink:

If you think the turnabout of tournaments is poor, that's probably because many people don't have access to tournaments. Also, there are probably some people that want to try, but have no reason to (no way to access tournaments, no one to play with, etc.).

The best way to see if the SSB tournament scene is popular or not is to wait for the online in SSBB. When they start to host tournaments online, we'll see how many people attend to them when there are no proximity problems.

[Zell]

I'd say it's more around 50% or so. Also, as it's been pointed out already, everyone plays for fun.


I seriously doubt 3 million people know or care about advanced techniques.

Smash World Forums has over 70,000 members. That's a hell of a lot, even if it's a low percentage to total game sales. And if you factor in that a lot of those people have friends who aren't registered to SWF and all the other dedicated forums, then that number could go above 100,000. Sure that's just a guess, it could be way less, it could be way more. But it is certainly greater than 0.1%.

Turnout for tournaments, as far as I'm aware, is excellent in America, although it's no Halo 2.

[Sheikah]

Yeah, we can all agree that in advanced matches Marth > Roy.
However, in casual matches both guys have different strenghts and it all depends on whatever skills the players have.

I didn't mean strengths in that sense, I meant actual strength (that comes across in a noncompetitve match - Roy having a bit more strength but Marth being more agile).



To be honest, nobody knows the true amount of people that play it competitively (I believe it reaches 10% at least).
The people who like to play SSBM competitively are the same people who love competition in fighting games. SSBM just happens to be a balanced fighting game that can be played in skill-mode or party-mode.

Therein lies the conundrum. Given that online play does not exist for SSBM, 0.10 x 0.10 (your 10% estimate of comp. players) = 0.01 (1% chance of 2 competetive players by chance playing together). Sure there's meetups, but really I think the amount of competetive players, like any game, is extremely low. SSBM even lower due to the lack of online.

[Goron_3]

I think we can go ahead and say from your username you are a bit biased. ;)

On that link you provided:



It also goes on to say that if both characters were used to the full potential, if you use aerial attacks etc then Marth would be better. Basically that's confirmation of what I'm saying- noncompetitive players probably won't have a formulated and researched style, as a result Roy will be stronger in your average match (obviously not at some competetive level).

As for the techniques, honestly, the amount who must have used gamefaqs or some other related site to read techniques and then practiced over them at most must be 0.1%, although is probably a hell of a lot lower, simply because there are far fewer 'game nerds' (sorry to brand this so harshly) than people who just play the games for fun, alongside all the other console's games.

I honestly, honestly cannot see 50% of people - what's that, millions of people, brushing up on gamefaqs on how to use wavedash etc, then going to their gc/wii and spending hour upon hour (on a game that was released years and years ago) to 'train' their characters, yet at competitions the turnout is generally pisspoor.

Sorry, you talk bollocks. :(

No you're talking bollocks. Seriously you're so full of shit.

For noobs who even have a slightest idea on how to play, Marth is better. Trust me, his f-smash is ALOT quicker and a lot less laggier than Roys, hence why people favour him.

Also, people don't 'train' for hours upon hours. It's a little thing called multiplayer and they just naturally get better with time. Maybe you have friends to play it with or something because you DON'T get better playing by yourself OR by fighting comps.

Also, tournies are generally pretty bloody big for Smash. I mean, you have to remember it was alongside Halo 2 at MLG for 3 years (and this means EVERY MLG event, ie Atlanta, New York, vegas etc) and the game was excepted into Evo and had one of the highest turnouts. Now, when you also consider that there are smashers that travel over Europe to Swedens Euro tourny, then I wouldn't say the turnout was low at ALL.

It's definately not 50-50, but it must be ATLEAST 15-20% imo, and you also have to remember about 30% of the people who bought the game aren't into competitve 2d fighters but might still casually play the game and another 20% or so don't play the game much anymore.

Out of the people who still play the game regularly, i'd say most know how to use advance techs, but only a VERY small percentage (maybe even 0.1% like you said) could be capable of playing against the likes of ken, PC chris and the other pros simply because there is ALOT more to Smash than sheer technical skill.

[Sheikah]

No you're talking bollocks. Seriously you're so full of shit.

Wow, it seems like someone has got very emotional about a game. Sorry to twang your nerve.

For noobs who even have a slightest idea on how to play, Marth is better. Trust me, his f-smash is ALOT quicker and a lot less laggier than Roys, hence why people favour him.

Did I say Roy was better? No, so now you are just making a fool of yourself. If you go back and read what I was saying, perhaps you can amend your post.

Also, people don't 'train' for hours upon hours. It's a little thing called multiplayer and they just naturally get better with time. Maybe you have friends to play it with or something because you DON'T get better playing by yourself OR by fighting comps.

There's no need to be childish and assume things in an insultive way. The fact of the matter is, ranked people or people who train to competitively play (I do know a couple of people) most certainly do train, not just play battle after battle. Mostly because they don't always have someone to play with, but also because simply playing a game would not allow you to master certain techniques (unlike say, practice mode).

Also, tournies are generally pretty bloody big for Smash. I mean, you have to remember it was alongside Halo 2 at MLG for 3 years (and this means EVERY MLG event, ie Atlanta, New York, vegas etc) and the game was excepted into Evo and had one of the highest turnouts. Now, when you also consider that there are smashers that travel over Europe to Swedens Euro tourny, then I wouldn't say the turnout was low at ALL.

It's definately not 50-50, but it must be ATLEAST 15-20% imo, and you also have to remember about 30% of the people who bought the game aren't into competitve 2d fighters but might still casually play the game and another 20% or so don't play the game much anymore.



As for the comment on turnups for tournaments, they could be the entire of Wales and that still wouldn't be a dent on the number of people who do not play competetively. Sorry to offend something you probably attend at every given occasion, I am just stating simply and truthfully that like just with most games, people do not play competetively. Yeh I may have said the turnup was pisspoor, probably wrong of me in saying that. But I was actually thinking of them as a comparison to the number of copies of the game sold.

And yeh, when I said the guy was talking bollocks, he was. Do you honestly think 50% of people who play SSB play competetively, that is take part in competitions and train using these advanced techniques? Techniques that generally have to be mastered, read online etc. I find it bizarre how you can take me up on telling someone they were wrong for something which they blatantly were.


It's definately not 50-50, but it must be ATLEAST 15-20% imo, and you also have to remember about 30% of the people who bought the game aren't into competitve 2d fighters but might still casually play the game and another 20% or so don't play the game much anymore.


I think you are mistaken about the kinds of players we are talking about. Not competetive as in a group of friends competing with each other (surely this is the case in any game of SSB), I am talking about a different league of players who master moves such as wavedash, who know the ins and outs of different moves and as a result probably go to meetups (otherwise there would be no point in learning to play in such a way, given the chance of randomly coming across people the same, I guess).

[Zell]

Just to clarify, just because someone knows and has learned advanced techniques does not put them among the "tournament crowd". A very small percentage of people that know "wavedash" have ever attended a tournament. They are the ones that "train" and spend hours and hours with the game.

Now you say there is "no point" in learning to play in such a way without going to meetups. That is complete bollocks. People have things called friends in which they play with. How does this stop you playing with them? You say it so that wavedash (and the like) is such a hardcore and elitist technique that only the very top can learn it and so they must organise meetups to find other rare players. SSBM advanced techniques aren't actually that difficult to learn. It just takes a bit of effort. I myself learned these techniques, and my friends just followed suit. Really it isn't that hard to learn, so why do you think that such a small percentage of people play with advanced technqiues? You will find that there is a lot more than you think. Don't be confused though, I know these techniques fairly well, but I wouldn't really be good enough for a tournament (well, maybe a UK one, if there ever was one). The only difference would be that I would probably be able to hold my own.

I'm also sick of hearing that just because I want to get better at a game, I all of a sudden not playing for fun anymore. Any player, even those who go to tournaments can chose whether to play for laughs, or try their hardest and play competitively. Both are fun (as Jonnas said, different kinds of fun).

[Sheikah]

Just to clarify, just because someone knows and has learned advanced techniques does not put them among the "tournament crowd". A very small percentage of people that know "wavedash" have ever attended a tournament. They are the ones that "train" and spend hours and hours with the game.

Ok, perhaps not, nonetheless competetive play (which is what I have being talking about from the very beginning) is the kind of play where you aim to gain ranks and attend meets (in this case, because there is no online play).


Now you say there is "no point" in learning to play in such a way without going to meetups. That is complete bollocks. People have things called friends in which they play with. How does this stop you playing with them? You say it so that wavedash (and the like) is such a hardcore and elitist technique that only the very top can learn it and so they must organise meetups to find other rare players. SSBM advanced techniques aren't actually that difficult to learn. It just takes a bit of effort. I myself learned these techniques, and my friends just followed suit. Really it isn't that hard to learn, so why do you think that such a small percentage of people play with advanced technqiues? You will find that there is a lot more than you think. Don't be confused though, I know these techniques fairly well, but I wouldn't really be good enough for a tournament (well, maybe a UK one, if there ever was one). The only difference would be that I would probably be able to hold my own.

It's simple. The fact of the matter is, unless you go onto GameFAQs (or a similar place) and purposely look for these techniques, you will more than likely not naturally learn them, and if you did perform one of the techniques by chance there's a good likeliness you would pass it by or not realise how you did it.

This massively cuts down on the number of people with the game using those techniques. Not just people without internet access, but laziness and also lack of knowledge of the techniques. The second factor is that if you don't play other people using the techniques (more than likely with everyone I have played with) there is no real incentive for a person to better themself, as they are quite capable of doing well in the games they play already.


I'm also sick of hearing that just because I want to get better at a game, I all of a sudden not playing for fun anymore. Any player, even those who go to tournaments can chose whether to play for laughs, or try their hardest and play competitively. Both are fun (as Jonnas said, different kinds of fun).


Let's stop for a second. The term 'playing for fun' and 'actually having fun' are very different. One clearly expresses a laid back, no consequences or real care for the outcome, where you probably don't put much effort into preparation, whereas the other is an individual's enjoyment.

It's like saying the world cup final is 'just for fun' - hell no, but I'm sure the players are having fun (if not crapping themselves).


I realise that most of the people here are adamant competetive players or technique users, which is why I feel this line of discussion is getting a little biased, heated and ugly. I am only expressing the likeliness of the total number of SSB players, past and present. If you like using techniques, good. Just don't be angry at me when I say it most probably is quite a small percentage of the total players using them (if you consider the number of people who must have owned this game at one point, too).

[Zell]

Ok, perhaps not, nonetheless competetive play (which is what I have being talking about from the very beginning) is the kind of play where you aim to gain ranks and attend meets (in this case, because there is no online play).

Well in that case, not that many people play competitively at all. What I'm saying is knowing advanced technqiues and competitve play are different things (you probably know this already, just reiterating).

It's simple. The fact of the matter is, unless you go onto GameFAQs (or a similar place) and purposely look for these techniques, you will more than likely not naturally learn them, and if you did perform one of the techniques by chance there's a good likeliness you would pass it by or not realise how you did it.

This massively cuts down on the number of people with the game using those techniques. Not just people without internet access, but laziness and also lack of knowledge of the techniques. The second factor is that if you don't play other people using the techniques (more than likely with everyone I have played with) there is no real incentive for a person to better themself, as they are quite capable of doing well in the games they play already.

Gamers tend to play in groups. It only takes one person to find out about the techniques and tell all their friends. You don't need everyone to find out for themselves. Once one group of friends know about them, they can then be passed to other people, as gamers aren't limited to the same group of people they always play with.

You say there is no incentive if you play with people who don't use them, well I say there is. You find that over the years the game has become stale, you learn these techniques and suddenly the game has new life. You become better than your mates, but that gives them incentive to become just as good as you.

Let's stop for a second. The term 'playing for fun' and 'actually having fun' are very different. One clearly expresses a laid back, no consequences or real care for the outcome, where you probably don't put much effort into preparation, whereas the other is an individual's enjoyment.

It's like saying the world cup final is 'just for fun' - hell no, but I'm sure the players are having fun (if not crapping themselves).

Okay, probably a bit of bad working on my part. We agree that we both play and have fun. Both sets of gamers can also either play competitively or for fun. It's just a common misconception that advanced players never play for fun.

I realise that most of the people here are adamant competetive players or technique users, which is why I feel this line of discussion is getting a little biased, heated and ugly. I am only expressing the likeliness of the total number of SSB players, past and present. If you like using techniques, good. Just don't be angry at me when I say it most probably is quite a small percentage of the total players using them (if you consider the number of people who must have owned this game at one point, too).

Trust me here, there are about three or four people here who are techniques users. It just so happens that they are willing to argue, because there has been a lot of heat over this debate for God knows how long where a lot of the non-advanced players have given a lot of advanced players a lot of stick. You obviously seem to think that everyone's against you, that's not true.

I'm not getting angry at all, I just arguing my points and opinion. We obviously have different views about it, it doesn't mean we have to get all touchy.

[Sheikah]

Gamers tend to play in groups. It only takes one person to find out about the techniques and tell all their friends. You don't need everyone to find out for themselves. Once one group of friends know about them, they can then be passed to other people, as gamers aren't limited to the same group of people they always play with.

Yeh I realise that, but it still takes the one person to look them up, do them enough until they can perform them well, then for that person to play with people for quite a bit for them to rub off/be picked up. And then there are people who simply cannot be arsed.


You say there is no incentive if you play with people who don't use them, well I say there is. You find that over the years the game has become stale, you learn these techniques and suddenly the game has new life. You become better than your mates, but that gives them incentive to become just as good as you.

Well SSB does have quite a long life since it can be played countless times with different outcomes. Unfortunately, even with the prospect of learning techniques the game got somewhat boring, since it was essentially the same levels and a game that had been played a lot. It's still fun for a quick duel now and then, but I'm holding out for the Wii version now.



Okay, probably a bit of bad working on my part. We agree that we both play and have fun. Both sets of gamers can also either play competitively or for fun. It's just a common misconception that advanced players never play for fun.

Yeh, no doubt they play for fun too. Probably a bit of bad wording on my part. I honestly meant people who just played without on the fly without any additional technique learning etc; people who consider SSB just another game in their collection to play.



Trust me here, there are about three or four people here who are techniques users. It just so happens that they are willing to argue, because there has been a lot of heat over this debate for God knows how long where a lot of the non-advanced players have given a lot of advanced players a lot of stick. You obviously seem to think that everyone's against you, that's not true.

I'm not getting angry at all, I just arguing my points and opinion. We obviously have different views about it, it doesn't mean we have to get all touchy.


Sorry, I was referring to Goron_3 who said something like 'you talk a load of shit', and had an angry tone. And, well, when I saw that person 'Marth_player' I honestly didn't expect my opinions on Roy to be well received. :p

[Marthuser]

I think we can go ahead and say from your username you are a bit biased. ;)

It also goes on to say that if both characters were used to the full potential, if you use aerial attacks etc then Marth would be better. Basically that's confirmation of what I'm saying- noncompetitive players probably won't have a formulated and researched style, as a result Roy will be stronger in your average match (obviously not at some competetive level).

As for the techniques, honestly, the amount who must have used gamefaqs or some other related site to read techniques and then practiced over them at most must be 0.1%, although is probably a hell of a lot lower, simply because there are far fewer 'game nerds' (sorry to brand this so harshly) than people who just play the games for fun, alongside all the other console's games.

I honestly, honestly cannot see 50% of people - what's that, millions of people, brushing up on gamefaqs on how to use wavedash etc, then going to their gc/wii and spending hour upon hour (on a game that was released years and years ago) to 'train' their characters, yet at competitions the turnout is generally pisspoor.

Sorry, you talk bollocks. :(

Ok......first of all, I don't see how my username gives me bias.

Second, I didn't actually say I agreed with what the link said. I only said to go there for a list of all the moves and howmuch damage they do.

Thirdly, what I'm trying to prove is that 'newbs' think that Roy is better than Marth, when in reality, Marth is better. (Which has been proved).

Finally, I made three points in my last post. Marth was stronger. Being 'in the fray' is a disadvantage and that for 50% of players wavedashing is irrelevant.

Zell already talked about gamers in groups and you said that it would take some time for the techniques to 'rub off'. If you saw your friend doing something completely weird and giving him an advantage, wouldn't you be curious? Wouldn't your friend be compelled to tell you all about this new technique? It won't take that much time at all.

Like I said, 50% was a figure I pulled out of the air, but I'm sure that for around that number of people, wavedashing is known about, at least.


Besides, I don't think there really is a need to use Wavedash, SHFFL, L-cancel, etc. I have seen a few tourney matches via youtube that didn't use them.
Sure, the players had an excellent control of air-dodge, prediction and amazing combos, but they were the best that they could be, without utilising the "advanced" techniques. :wink:


There is no need for advanced techniques, unless of course, you want to play at a higher level.

[Zelda_Rulez]

I used to main Ganondorf but lately I have switched to Marth. I liked Ganondorf's power but I like the speed of Marth a bit more. There are a few other character I can play as but I'm not as good with them.

I don't get a lot of practise because my friends aren't really good at this game but I can do some of the advanced techniques. Wavedashing never seemed really useful to me because I can't seem to do an attack out of it.

Currently I'm trying to get SHHFL-ing down. It's difficult because I really have to tap the jump button so lightly or else he will jump too high, that's the only real problem though. :p

[Tales]

I have always used Bowser. He looks strong and tough, so I guess he must be :P

[Ginger_Chris]

Hey, I've been following this discussion for a while and I really don't understand how you think 50% or even 5% of players know how to wavedash. Most people who bough this game play if for a quick laugh game. Its not about who wins, its about which idiot forgot about the motion sensor, or had the most ammusing death, the best smack talk, beating someone with pichu etc. Yes everyone tries to win, but unless you have a group of friends that take it seriously to win, you're not going to bother to learn how to wavedash. I play all the time with my mates, and we all know about wavedashing, but none of us can be bothered to practice and learn how to use it, because winning isn't the part that's the most fun.


I see wavedashing in SSMB just like I see the snake in Table football. How many people play table football occasionally? Millions. How many know what a snake is? I'd guess about 100,000 probably less. How many can do it well? about 5000 maybe less? Every single person who is a pro can do it. It's not something you'll ever think about doing if you'd never seen it before, and anyone who's good enough to do it will beat any casual player without it. Of all the people who know what it is, not that many can do it effectively or want to learn. Personally I prefer the wrench which is easier, and faster to set up (slows game down less) and looks pretty much identical. Just because I know alot of people who can snake it doesn't mean I think lots of people who play casually in pubs do.

If Brawl is online, I expect these types of skills will definitely increase. Everyone will start wanting to win (thats more the point of playing online) and most people will start playing people that can wavedash and L cancel. That will increase there exposure and so more people will want to learn them. Just like every other multiplayer game.

[Goron_3]

Just so people know, you don't have to go online to find out how to do these moves...

L-cancelling and teching are already done by computers, and even wall teching in other cases. Most of competitve play is knowing how to do combos and how to read your opponent. The 'wavedash' is the ONLY technique where people learnt it by 'word of mouth' because the computers don't use it but they use all the other techniques, even DI.

Also, smash has sold what, 6 million worldwide? Now, about 1/6 of those people will play the game regulary right? Now, im sure about its about 50% of those players who play competitively.

Also, playing competitively doesn't mean you have to play to win. I play smash because it pushes the boundries of my gaming abilities and i find this incredibly fun. When I play Zell for example, not only am I having to think what I'm going to do next, I have to quickly perform the action with my fingers. Now, sometimes this can involve pressing around 6-7 buttons a second, and playing at this pace for a few minutes and understanding how I react to other players, aswell as being successful (or not) is great fun. Whilst games like Mario Strikers are great for mindless fun (seeing as there's no depth), Melee offers me complete freedom to do whatever i ever I want for 60 frames every second with so much scope of what I can do. At the end of the day, I love playing melee because it's challenging and pushes me more than any other games I ever have played.

Also, i've never attended a tournament, mainly because they are ALL in London and the national ones are really far away. If i went, I'd go for the fun value as I'm pretty sure i wouldn't have a chance of winning until my 4th-5th tourney after i've learnt alot more about my opponents and also my own ability.

[Marthuser]

Hey, I've been following this discussion for a while and I really don't understand how you think 50% or even 5% of players know how to wavedash.

I said that for around that many people, wavedashing isn't irrelevant. It's known about, at least.

[Kirbii]

yoshi and kirby are the best

[Ellmeister]

I can't be bothered to read all your supoer omg long posts. Although I did read chris's and I really want to know what the snake and the wrench is now! >_< telllll meeeeeeeee! :D

[Dannyboy-the-Dane]

Guys, try to calm down. It IS, after all, only a game. :)

Personally, I find Marth much better at one-on-one matches, as his long reach and speed makes him good at evading a single enemy and attacking him at a distance.

Roy, on the other hand, is better at multiplayer brawls, as he's generally more powerful (i.e. deals more damage) and is stronger in very close combat.

[Marthuser]

Guys, try to calm down. It IS, after all, only a game. :)
Roy, on the other hand, is better at multiplayer brawls, as he's generally more powerful (i.e. deals more damage) and is stronger in very close combat.

Marth actually does more damage....

[Jonnas]

Marth actually does more damage....

He meant in Free-For-Alls.
It's easier to deal more damage with Roy in that kind of matches.

[Goron_3]

God why does this thread keep popping back up all the time.

In free for all amongst noobs, roy will probably do more. versus people who can dodge marth will easily do more damage cos he has the most range.

[Marthuser]

He meant in Free-For-Alls.
It's easier to deal more damage with Roy in that kind of matches.

How so? He's slower and deals less damage.