Call of Duty: Black Ops

[CoolFunkMan]

Nov 9th 2010, developed by Treyarch.

http://kotaku.com/5528033/new-treyarch-developed-call-of-duty-hits-nov-9-with-likely-modern-setting


Imo, it's way too soon for another CoD, could be interesting though. But then it's Treyarch. :heh:

[gaggle64]

It's a little cringe-worthy hearing them describe it as "the No.1 action series of all time" knowing full well all the people actually responsible for that are all gone.

[CoolFunkMan]

It's a little cringe-worthy hearing them describe it as "the No.1 action series of all time" knowing full well all the people actually responsible for that are all gone.

Too true, I hold very little faith in this tbh.

[Tissue Town]

Imo, it's way too soon for another CoD

That's like saying, it's way too soon for another Fifa

[Wesley]

I don't think it's too soon for another one... I'm sure people can afford their 40 quid for another "top tier" game.

It's not as if these games are boundary pushing or anything...

Anyway, get ready for 2 a year.

As for the actual game... meh.

[Nolan]

I remember hearing MW2 being described as the most realistic shooter ever....on a commercial.

[Dante]

GameTrailers Debut Tease Trailer. (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-debut-call-of/64932)


GT Pop-Block: Debut Tease Trailer HD (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gt-pop-block-call-of/65166)

[ViPeR]

£40 for a game where everyone sits in a corner and snipes. Nah.

[killer kirby]

I am still waiting for COD: Zombie Break Out.

Who knew that COD5 best thing about that game was the Zombie section of the game. They should now make a whole game on it.

Then Activision might get my money.

[Dyson]

I do wish people would stop beating on Treyarch as if it's the cool thing to do. CoD:WaW was by no means a bad game. 3 was patchy but they really upped their game with WaW. I'm confident they'll step it up for Black Ops too.

[Nolan]

When looked at in terms of development time, 3 was pretty well made. They basically had less than a year to put 3 together and they did good work with the time they had.

They've also made a stellar showing of porting the titles to the Wii in a reasonable fashion.

Besides, now that IW has lost plenty of talent (possibly the main talent) it's reasonable to presume that Treyarch could become the better CoD studio.

[MATtheHAT]

Looking good!

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[Sexual Chocolate]

Indeed it is, kill streaks look insane, Camera? Check. Remote control explosive car? check. Crossbows!!!

[Nintenchris]

Looking good!

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Oh god
Amazing simply amazing

[Deathjam]

Godamnit! I was all content with just having mw2. Only got it for the fabled multiplayer which of course has kept me from touching the singleplayer even once. Now I feel the need to get this game. Screw you guys for making me burn more cash. Guess this time ill get it on the ps3.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Made me jizz a little :D saving videos is awesome and one of only a few things that annoy me about MW2 -- the other main one being that I can't check out other people's titles/badges/stats, not even my friends, which I think is a bit backwards.

Looking forward to the reveal!

[Mike1988uk]

Looks excellent!

The new additions look good shown in the vid, hopefully there is lots more to come!!

Another CoD purchase for me i think.

[Sexual Chocolate]

Reading comments from youtube and eurogamer makes me want to cry, 'OMG THIS IS SHITZ, ITS THE SAME AS MW2' what were they expecting? a radical overhaul, millions of people play MW2 everyday, there hardly gonna change the whole style for the sake of a few fan boys who want it to be like halo, do they no know they can play a game like halo, it's called halo!

Editing suite looks very good.

[Wesley]

That looks like Call of Cod multiplayer with an increased amount of kill thingies, counter-things and perky stuff.

Business as usual.

[Shorty]

It looks... ok. Funnily enough the graphics look worse, the interface less polished and while those weapons look super fun to use, they also look immensely annoying for the person on the receiving end. Which I expect to be, most of the time.

[Sméagol]

I wasn't interested in this at all, not so much because I consider Treyarch the "B-Team" (a little bit of that), mainly because I just don't like the setting of these games. I also don't own any of the WWII CoDs. But I must admit, the trailer looks like fun. And the setting isn't much of a concern for the MP. I probably won't get this, not right away at least, but I might consider it when it gets cheaper.

[MadDog]

It'll get cheaper about 18 months after release, lol.

[Dan Dare]

Won't be buying this- I hated MW2 multiplayer after a while and realised I was just playing it to play something and to make the xp bar go up. Halo for me!

[Sméagol]

It'll get cheaper about 18 months after release, lol.
I'm really not in a hurry.
Plenty of other games during 18 months, including games I've already bought.

[Cube]

The only thing this needs to do to have a better multiplayer than MW2 is to support party chat in most/all multiplayer modes.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

I hate to say it, but this is a day-1 purchase for me. I am already orgasming over the idea of playing non-stop online for like 24 hours when I buy it. If I manage to get it before the official release date then that's the only chance the game has of me playing the campaign mode for the first month or so.

Considering the last game I bought on release date was... Er... probably a gamecube game, I don't think it's that big a deal!

[Ryan]

I'll buy it if I can get it for £26 from Sainsburys like last time..

[Sexual Chocolate]

Haha there is gonna be a price war on this again, this and fifa it's the same every year. Small independant companies moan, people who were 'boycotting' it buy it due to 'new' price. I'll be buying it and can't wait for 1st September for the full reveal.

[Shorty]

If it ain't Infinity Ward I ain't interested!

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/79547/79547,1218570443,3/stock-photo-young-angry-boy-outside-with-folded-arms-16062556.jpg

[Dante]

Eh okay.
http://img10.abload.de/img/500x_custom_12816253827ecw.jpg

[Tyson]

Night vision goggles and a remote control car... Activision KNOW how to appeal to a gamer.

[MadDog]

Huh? Wasn't there night vision goggles in the MW2 Special edition?

[Ryan]

Huh? Wasn't there night vision goggles in the MW2 Special edition?

That's what he meant.

A cheap plastic RC car is not worth £130 next to the game and some avatar crap. Instant profit for Activision I presume..

[ReZourceman]

Its got a working camera on it too.

[Dan Dare]

Such a piece of shit. I can't stand these super duper mega extreme versions of games.

[Sméagol]

Its got a working camera on it too.
That'll make it easier to play [real-life mini wipeout] (http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/german-designer-brings-wipeout-racing-game-to-life-burns-up-car/).

Seriously though, if it doesn't come with a bomb, I'm not interested.

[ReZourceman]

That'll make it easier to play [real-life mini wipeout] (http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/german-designer-brings-wipeout-racing-game-to-life-burns-up-car/).

Seriously though, if it doesn't come with a bomb, I'm not interested.

Oh that is far too sick to be legal.

[Murr]

The worst part of the Super extreme mega edition is...


i really want it now :(

[dwarf gourami]

OK so isn't the multiplayer reveal at 2am this morning or something? They're holding an event for it but I don't know how/where to get the info. Not massively bothered but it could be interesting.

[Aimless]

Traditionally embargoes are lifted, say, a week or several days after an event so that it's not a race to see who can spew words onto a page the fastest. Obviously I'm not privy to the details of this particular preview for the press, though.

[Nintenchris]

OK so isn't the multiplayer reveal at 2am this morning or something? They're holding an event for it but I don't know how/where to get the info. Not massively bothered but it could be interesting.

In half an hour keep an eye on this link
http://www.nextgentactics.com/LiveStream.aspx?StreamID=2&StreamName=Gunns4hire&XatID=92043123&CalendarID=nhansen%40nextgentactics.com

[dwarf gourami]

Page doesn't want to load fully anymore. Doubt I'd get it working if it did anyway, as most streams are awful on my laptop/connection.

Edit: fook this, it doesn't start for another 45 mins I don't think. This stream was working but meh
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/We-The-Gamerz-Channel-3

[Nintenchris]

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[ReZourceman]

Hmm. Looks fairly decent.

[Wesley]

The offline mode and wager system sounds very fun.

ReZ, you're decent.

Get Daily up.

[ReZourceman]

Get ready for it. It features the first of a new short drama series.

[Dan Dare]

That wager thing is actually kind of cool. Yep.

[Ganepark32]

The 'One in the Chamber' matches look awesome. Definitely see that being a very tense experience, especially if you fail to line up your shot properly.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

I was hmmming and ermmming at the start of that video, but as they unveiled each game-mode I was more and more drawn in... One In A Chamber sounded excellent to me, as did the gun game - though with the latter I'm pretty sure I'll never win. Interesting if they keep it to roughly 6 players.

WANT THIS GAME.

[Caris]

Looks better than MW2, that game was way over rated imo.

[Mike1988uk]

The gun game mode sounds pretty interesting!

[Ramar]

Hey look gun game, that source server mod thats been out for years..

[Charlie]

Looks better than MW2, that game was way over rated imo.

So is this the 'new' Modern Warfare, ie. made by the same people?

[Sexual Chocolate]

Nope, it's made by treyarch who made COD:WAW

[S.C.G]

So is this the 'new' Modern Warfare, ie. made by the same people?

No, this is the 'inbetween' game made by the 'other' people though I don't know if it can be called an inbetween game anymore due to the uncertainty of MW3 ever being released... I mean it probably will be released but obv not by Infinity Ward seeing as they don't 'exist' anymore.

It'll be interesting to see what Respawn come up with though, but for now I guess this is basically the next entry in the franchise.

[dwarf gourami]

No, this is the 'inbetween' game made by the 'other' people though I don't know if it can be called an inbetween game anymore due to the uncertainty of MW3 ever being released... I mean it probably will be released but obv not by Infinity Ward seeing as they don't 'exist' anymore.

It'll be interesting to see what Respawn come up with though, but for now I guess this is basically the next entry in the franchise.
:/
Not really.


Anyway, this is the sort of shakeup the game needs, I'm rating the ideas.

[Charlie]

So are we expecting this game to be good?

[S.C.G]

:/
Not really.


Well what is it then? if it's no longer the 'inbetween' game then it must be the latest proper entry in the series surely?

I guess it doesn't matter... all that matters is that it's COD and it will sell.

[dwarf gourami]

No, this is the 'inbetween' game made by the 'other' people though I don't know if it can be called an inbetween game anymore due to the uncertainty of MW3 ever being released... I mean it probably will be released but obv not by Infinity Ward seeing as they don't 'exist' anymore.

It'll be interesting to see what Respawn come up with though, but for now I guess this is basically the next entry in the franchise.
It isn't the inbetween game. The two games are made from seperate developers, but Treyarch doesn't make the 'inbetween' entry. Both developers are given the same backing, the same crazy advertising funds and they make their versions of Call of Duty. Generally Infinity Ward are considered to be better than Treyarch, but this is merely popular opinion.

This was always going to be the next game in the franchise. Releases come perennially. No matter if IW made it, and no matter if another developer makes Modern Warfare 3.

As far as I'm concerned, they're as big as each other anyway.

[Caris]

Well, I disagree. Infinity Ward build the engine and the "base" of the game. Treyarch just put there theme over it.

[Nintenchris]

Well, I disagree. Infinity Ward build the engine and the "base" of the game. Treyarch just put there theme over it.

Agreed
If anything Treyarch's games SHOULD be alot better than Infinity Ward's just because all the hard work has been done for them and Treyarch has more time to spend on making a great game rather than building a game engine from scratch.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Just watched teh vid on the xbox dash -- you can really see how they're lining up their subscription-based game, with all sorts of ideas being thrown around in Black Ops -- Contracts to lock the gamer in for set lengths of time, currency to acquire new weapons/upgrades rather than automatically unlocking them, and customisation going to a new level.

It all looks overwhelming from my MW2 perspective, with the extra game modes, new maps to learn, new killstreak rewards and all that stuff I mentioned above.

Definitely very eager to get my hands on the game!

[Dan Dare]

Yeah if MW3 isn't subs based, I'll eat a hat. Possibly my own.

[Kurtle Squad]

While me n my mates probably wont get this at release (maybe I will though), I'm not expecting anything great.
I also, like others, wish that people would stop giving Treyarch a hard time. COD3 was great I thought (bikes, jeeps, tanks, maniac physics) and WaW wasn't MW, it's DIFFERENT to give a bit of variety.

Either way, COD is the in thing now and full of n00bs, cheaters, morons, quitters.... I'm sure MW had a far less PERCENTAGE of all those things.

I just hope Treyarch make sure that quickscoping is abolished and actually give updates and support for glitches and spamming instead of leaving gamers in the lurch.

Also, squad members should be able to choose a colour or something a full or mostly team of blue arrows isn't helpful.

[Sexual Chocolate]

Theres a new video floating around, shows emblem editing, character editing, looks good, kill streaks look better and also toned down, No stupid 25 kill streak for a nuke, maxium goes to is 11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3KLAPn4N7A

[Nintendohnut]

I was surprised to see this thread had dropped to page four. I saw a trailer last night that looked pretty epic, it was more like a film than a game.

[Caris]

Yeah this looks awesome, better than MW2 IMO.

[dwarf gourami]

They couldve mixed the perks and streaks up much more though, it's seeming way too similar. Plus, I hate having to use scavenger, everyone should be able to pick up ammo. Maybe not equipment, but bullets at the very least.
Makes my classes really boring.

Also, the RC car is going to destroy this game. There's going to be so many hardline users whipping them out every two kills. Should be at least a 5 streak.

Wagers look entertaining though.

[Cookyman]

If Asda or somewhere else is selling this game dirt cheap at launch then I'll get it like I did with MW2 otherwise I'm not getting it.

[Ryan]

I've got two games to trade in if my brother wants this. World at War was so much better than MW2.

[Arnieboy]

I'm getting this almost purely for the zombie mode.
I'm sure the campaign will be good, but zombies are where it's at.

[Sexual Chocolate]

They couldve mixed the perks and streaks up much more though, it's seeming way too similar. Plus, I hate having to use scavenger, everyone should be able to pick up ammo. Maybe not equipment, but bullets at the very least.
Makes my classes really boring.
.

You can can't you? you just need to pick up ammo from the same gun, I may be wrong but i thought this to be the case.

They got rid of Stopping Power which i think is a good idea, it mixes it up a bit more and doesn't give anyone a power advantage.

[Choze]

If Asda or somewhere else is selling this game dirt cheap at launch then I'll get it like I did with MW2 otherwise I'm not getting it.

I'll probably rent. The formula is too samey/old for me. The customisation options are rather pointless(only superficial aspects) when it comes to the gameplay. But thats to be expected when there is a COD game every year.

The basics are very good in COD and other multiplatform fps especially struggle. This is the 4th game that is 'exactly' the same with little to no change(not like MW1 was original in any way either, there were countless MOH/COD clones back in the day). The main thing is its pretty solid though and gets the essentials right. I played MW2 more than BC2 amusingly. For some reason multiplatform fps struggle outside of COD.

Maybe Crysis 2 will change that? It seems more COD than Crysis this time round. They are going to upset alot of pc gamers :p

[dwarf gourami]

You can can't you? you just need to pick up ammo from the same gun, I may be wrong but i thought this to be the case.

They got rid of Stopping Power which i think is a good idea, it mixes it up a bit more and doesn't give anyone a power advantage.
You can but that's nothing you should rely on. They should've addressed this.

I agree with the stopping power thing though. It was bullshit.

[heroicjanitor]

I was surprised that they didn't get rid of stopping power when they got rid of juggernaut tbh. They seemed like two sides of the same coin. But quickscoping should be harder now without sleight of hand, and explosions do far less damage. Seems like they are getting rid of the main causes of grief. :)

[spirited away]

I was surprised that they didn't get rid of stopping power when they got rid of juggernaut tbh. They seemed like two sides of the same coin. But quickscoping should be harder now without sleight of hand, and explosions do far less damage. Seems like they are getting rid of the main causes of grief. :)

Pretty sure Sleight of Hand is still there.

[dwarf gourami]

I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that a Treyarch member twittered about sleight of hand not working with snipers.

[heroicjanitor]

Pretty sure Sleight of Hand is still there.

Yeah it's still there but as dwarf said it doesn't work with snipers.

[spirited away]

Yeah it's still there but as dwarf said it doesn't work with snipers.

Ah, right.

[Caris]

Just all the new footage on GTTV, fucking hell it looks amazing.

Way, way better than I thought it would. They use the same motion capture as Avatar did!

[Dan Dare]

I actually like the sound of where this game is going- amazingly it feels more like a measured response to MW2's bullshit multiplayer than a typical activision sequel. I still think that CoD is a fundamentally hollow MP game though.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Yeah this looks awesome, better than MW2 IMO.

I agree with you! Quick, get the champagne!

Holy shit, I've only now realised... I won't be able to combine cold blooded and scavenger in this one. WHYYYYYYYYYY??????

Although, scavenger + sleight of hand sounds interesting. 3rd perk is useless, as usual. At least Ninja's back!

[Caris]

I'm so pleased I can use Scavenger and Bling together now, I hated that about MW2.

[Oxigen_Waste]

I'm so pleased I can use Scavenger and Bling together now, I hated that about MW2.

Right now I'm thinking of the equivalent of a Scar with a silencer and scavenger... only this time I can actually have extended mags as well as plenty of ammo... oh boy... that got me all wet! I mean, I once pulled of a 22 killstreak with Scar silenced + scavenger/cold blooded/ninja (which is saying a lot since I don't use killstreak rewards), just imagining that effect ripple if I had 10 more bullets per mag. *drool*

Although this could potentially increase the amount of tubes, what with that extra slot.


Also, I think there should be a playlist without perks, it'd be quite cool.

Ah, fuck it, as long as marathon+lightweight is still around, I'll have a blast anyway.

[dwarf gourami]

Just before I stopped borrowing MW2 I was testing out the RPD, and was loving it. I used stopping power without a silencer, which I always use, and it gave me some great scores as well as enjoyable games. Plus, Scavenger isn't as necessary when you're using LMGs.

Yeah they make you sluggish, but they are so great for quick kills, and awesome at most distances. Use sleight of hand and stopping power with the RPD and you'll see for yourself. Was the perfect class to mix things up a bit, without doing it at the expense of just substituting for a weaker weapon/class.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Just before I stopped borrowing MW2 I was testing out the RPD, and was loving it. I used stopping power without a silencer, which I always use, and it gave me some great scores as well as enjoyable games. Plus, Scavenger isn't as necessary when you're using LMGs.

Yeah they make you sluggish, but they are so great for quick kills, and awesome at most distances. Use sleight of hand and stopping power with the RPD and you'll see for yourself. Was the perfect class to mix things up a bit, without doing it at the expense of just substituting for a weaker weapon/class.

If you're using stopping power on anything but FAMAS/M16, you're doing it wrong.

[dwarf gourami]

Incorrect. Not if you put silencers on weapons - it almost universally helps to have stopping power.

Unless my stat sites are lying.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Incorrect. Not if you put silencers on weapons - it almost universally helps to have stopping power.

Unless my stat sites are lying.

I'm not saying it doesn't help, why on earth would everyone be using stopping power if it didn't help?

What I'm saying is that stopping power makes the game ridiculously easy and broken... which is why it's being removed. The only weapons it does make sense to use it with are the FAMAS and M16, to ensure one burst kills.

[dwarf gourami]

I'm glad they're taking it out!
I just use it so that I can compete a bit more. I'd use cold blooded on every class if it didn't boost weapons by so much.

[Oxigen_Waste]

I'm glad they're taking it out!
I just use it so that I can compete a bit more. I'd use cold blooded on every class if it didn't boost weapons by so much.

that's me. mr cold blooded. Except for my run'n'gun class, of course. it's quite cool using cold blooded/ninja/silencer as you really rack up on kills, and never get frustrated at the thermals/heartbeat sensors/chopper gunners/pave lows, plus people only notice you if you want them to. So when I do die, I never get infuriated, because I know whoever killed me deserved it. I dunno, it just makes the game much more bearable, personally.

[dwarf gourami]

Yeah, but lots of the time you can get away without cold blooded if you're playing well and have a good team.
I think we discussed the whole thing before, but the bottom line is that I like being technically as powerful as everyone else. I find when it gets to close quarters it can help a lot.

[Sexual Chocolate]

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[Arnieboy]

Holy hell that looks awesome!

Finally some modern weapons in zombie game, should make it interesting. Also makes me wonder if they'll bring back the lazer weapons or something totally new.

[Cookyman]

Wow thats a big step up graphically from Treyarchs last effort.

[Hero-of-Time]

Guess who you'll play as in Call of Duty: Black Ops Zombie mode when co-operatively protecting the Pentagon from zombies:

Former US president Richard Nixon? Yes.

Former US president John F. Kennedy? Yes.

Former US secretary of defense Robert McNamara? Yes.

Cuban revolutionary and subsequent state leader Fidel Castro? Yes.

The four political leaders come together under the premise of a hush-hush meeting at the Pentagon. Cigars are smoked and shady looks traded until the sound of gunfire spooks McNamara. Kennedy passes this off as the sound of a storm until crazed monsters overrun the facility.

"Zombies," states Kennedy as a matter of fact. "Gentlemen, at times like these our capacity to retaliate must be and has to be massive to deter all forms of aggression."

The late president thumps the Great Seal of the United States on the wall and a secret room opens before him. Inside are walls filled with weaponry.

"Gentlemen," says Kennedy, "lock and load."


http://theinfosphere.org/images/2/29/Robo_Nixon.png

NIXON'S BACK!!

[Caris]

Thanks for the spoilers.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Wow thats a big step up graphically from Treyarchs last effort.

No it isn't... :blank:
It's pretty much the same.

[Caris]

WaW used the MW engine, this uses the MW2 engine which is a huge step up and they are also improving on it for example they use the same mo-cap as Avatar did.

[Oxigen_Waste]

WaW used the MW engine, this uses the MW2 engine which is a huge step up and they are also improving on it for example they use the same mo-cap as Avatar did.

I really don't notice that much of a difference. But I never do, anyway.

[Cookyman]

I really don't notice that much of a difference. But I never do, anyway.

Should have gone to Specsavers!

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/9/9/128970054892637778.jpg

[Caris]

Hahaha! That picture is amazing.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Hmm, my copy got shipped today... which means I'll probably have it by friday. Awesome!

[Sexual Chocolate]

errrrrrm what? Who you order with :)

[Deathjam]

Godamnit. All I can do is pre load it on steam. Sucks to be a pc user.

[Choze]

Godamnit. All I can do is pre load it on steam. Sucks to be a pc user.

Not really.

[Deathjam]

Not really.

At the moment it does.

[Choze]

So what if its early? Stats shall be wiped this early.

WaW used the MW engine, this uses the MW2 engine which is a huge step up and they are also improving on it for example they use the same mo-cap as Avatar did.

They all use the Quake 3 engine. Superior to nearly all Unreal 3 Engine games amusingly ;) it is a different matter capitalising on actual tech. Infinity Ward did a great job.

It does look and feel dated in some respects obviously. Aspects like animation and lighting are quite dated. The scripted animation stuff is good but in gameplay you can see its very last gen. Level design is limited compared to many games now. I think they have done exceptionally well but it has the feel of an old pc game.

Anyone here played MOH? Worth checking out quickly?

[Deathjam]

So what if its early? Stats shall be wiped this early.



They all use the Quake 3 engine. Superior to nearly all Unreal 3 Engine games amusingly ;) it is a different matter capitalising on actual tech. Infinity Ward did a great job.

It does look and feel dated in some respects obviously. Aspects like animation and lighting are quite dated. The scripted animation stuff is good but in gameplay you can see its very last gen. Level design is limited compared to many games now. I think they have done exceptionally well but it has the feel of an old pc game.

Anyone here played MOH? Worth checking out quickly?

Even if the stats got wiped, I would still like to play early. My point is that steam is almost taunting me, as I definitely need to wait till next tuesday before I can play this.

Also, playing MW2 on the pc, I have to question how accurately one can say Infinity Ward did a good job. IWnet sucks like you would not believe and hackers run rampant. Really cant wait to move onto black ops.

[Sexual Chocolate]

Anyone here played MOH? Worth checking out quickly?

I heard it's a bag of shit.

[Charlie]

Where's everyone buying this from then?

Best I've seen so far is Tesco Entertainment at £34.99.

Last year the supermarkets had a price war and Morrisons and Sainsbury's had it for £26, hoping for the same this year otherwise I might go to my local Blockbuster's midnight launch...

[Aimless]

Rumour has it Sainsburys are going to repeat their £26 offer, although this time I'd expect it to be tied to a "Spend £xx in store" deal or some other stipulation.

If you've a copy of Medal of Honor kicking around you'll be able to trade that that in at HMV and take Black Ops home for £7.99.

[Oxigen_Waste]

errrrrrm what? Who you order with :)

Game. Got the mail confirming the shippin this morning. Maybe since I'm in Portugal they decided to ship earlier so I'd have it on release for sure, but it's never taken anything more than 3 days to get here, so I'm hoping friday!

[Shorty]

Oh man, I really don't want to go and queue at 7am in Sainsburys again.

I don't want to.

But I probably will..

[Caris]

I pretty much echo what Shorty just said.

[Choze]

Yeah if there is a good deal i may buy.



Also, playing MW2 on the pc, I have to question how accurately one can say Infinity Ward did a good job. IWnet sucks like you would not believe and hackers run rampant. Really cant wait to move onto black ops.

Yeah multiplatform games in general are terrible on pc when not supported. Treyarch should be better though. I am not taking chances though. PS3 it is.:p Treyarch will move away as soon as they can. Its inevitable with these types of publishers.

[Sexual Chocolate]

Amazon at £40, hopefully if the supermarkets do a price war amazon will match it, or at least lower their price. They did last year, they have a price guarantee thing where if it is lower than when you ordered it they will refund the difference.

[Shorty]

It's £34.90 on Tesco Entertainment with code CODPreOrder-1, plus 8% Quidco.

I just pre-ordered. I don't really care how fast I get it, I'm not getting up at 6am to go to Sainsburys again.

I probably would if this was MW3 by IW, but....

[Hero-of-Time]

Game. Got the mail confirming the shippin this morning. Maybe since I'm in Portugal they decided to ship earlier so I'd have it on release for sure, but it's never taken anything more than 3 days to get here, so I'm hoping friday!

Mine got shipped on Wednesday from GAME but you get another email saying that although it has been shipped early the posties will be keeping a hold of it until release day.

[Cube]

They probably just want to get their money earlier.

I got MW2 four days early. Everyone warned about resets/bans and it never happened.

[Charlie]

They probably just want to get their money earlier.

I got MW2 four days early. Everyone warned about resets/bans and it never happened.

They can't ban you for playing a game early. It's hardly your fault that it came early. Resets are fair enough if they want to but it's unlikely because the developers and testers will have been playing it for ages.

[Choze]

http://psp-news.dcemu.co.uk/call-of-duty-getting-largest-offering-of-digital-content-ever-in-2011--342273.html

Activision says it's throwing everything it has at the Call of Duty franchise, and next year CoD players will see the "largest offering" of digital content ever.

Have fun children. Shame they do not include this stuff at retail.

[Ramar]

Anyone planning a supermarket midnight launch be prepared to queue. I heard last night we've already taken 500 pre-orders, rumours are our store should receive 3,000 copies of the game. Which is quite mental for a supermarket. I'd imagine the majority of people coming to launch won't have pre-ordered a copy either.

[Choze]

Activision boss Bobby Kotick has claimed that Call Of Duty: Black Ops is a "tribute to the courage, dedication and sacrifice" of the real-life military.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=274076

Stealing EA's MOH line :p

and the US advert: http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid78974503001?bctid=660287861001

[Caris]

Any more info on Sainsbury's?

[Ryan]

Website says £38.

[Sexual Chocolate]

Wait for mondays newspapers, there will be plenty of adverts from various super markets with cheap offers.

[Oxigen_Waste]

It came today... and nobody was home to get it. :(
*isn't happy*

[Choze]

With MW2 the offers appeared literally the night before.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

I'm back-and-forth about this. I've not played MW2 for at least 6 weeks. I got very into it... and this time I want to be in the first wave of players experiencing the game freshly and fairly evenly... but my internet is shocking until 1am, and I'm trying to get out of that sort of routine. I guess I'll just wait 'til I move out and get my own net and get it cheaper again :'(

[Wesley]

I'm thinking of maybe picking this up for the single player and then quickly selling it...

[Caris]

No this is Caris not Dante.

Trade-in Deals
- GAME are doing Black Ops for half price when you trade in Halo Reach. (Unconfirmed)
- HMV are doing Black Ops on 360 for £7.99 when you trade in Medal of Honor (360).
- Tesco will be offering £24 for trading in Halo Reach. (See image on the right, click to zoom.)





Supermarket and In-Store Prices
Sainsbury's: £27.97 with £30 spend (a lot of sources - CONFIRMED, credit goes to annihilation from hotukdeals)
Morrisons: £29.99 when bought with another chart game, £39.99 otherwise (1 source who has claimed to see the promotional material, but unconfirmed until there's proof)
GAME: £24.99 when bought with any other chart 360/PS3 game or selected trade (confirmed, source)
Gamestation: £24.99 when bought with selected titles.
Best Buy: Doing £29.99 pre-orders here. Might be a good option considering the strong possibility that supermarket deals are dependant on buying with shopping. First 500 orders only, now back up to full price.
Tesco: £25 with the purchase of 2100 points or a £20 PSN card. (2 sources, unconfirmed)
ASDA: £36.97 when bought alone, or £4.97 when you trade in Fable 3, Fallout New Vegas, or Star Wars The Force Unleashed 2. Confirmed, image source user "c4c" on hotukdeals.

[McPhee]

Sainsbury's it is for me then. Can't complain at Black Ops + £30 worth of shopping for £49.27 really (staff discount). Been off all week, just praying my store isn't one of the ones doing a midnight opening (right now I have literally no idea, just heard rumours that 200-odd stores will be :().

[MadDog]

I don't know if i want this, it looks good from the trailers.

But will it really be much different to MW2?

[Nintendohnut]

Well I may be spending £30 in sainsbury's anyway on tuesday morning, so that worked out well. I bet they've run out at the store I'll be going to, though. It would be typical.

Does anyone know when the prices went back up last year? Is it just on launch day, or until stock runs out, or what? And although it's unlikely, does anyone know what will happen this year? Ta.

[Choze]

Seems like Black Ops online still has MW2 issues. Also the care package glitch is back and easier to do. The game also has other glitches with lobbies and party invites. Not to mention camping is now worse due to the more random than MW2 spawn system. You now see people spawn in front of you. I am going to pass on this game without a great deal.

[Hero-of-Time]

CoD GET!! Well done GAME. :D

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Choze; when you post like that without a link or citation, it's real hard to take you seriously/believe you/not see anything but an idiot.

[Caris]

Should be playing this in 12 hours :)

[Oxigen_Waste]

I got the hardened edition and don't want the Avatar that comes with it, so if anyone wants it, I'll PM you the code.

[Aimless]

I'd like it, but not to actually use it myself; it would be used for a proxy Gamertag. So, if no one else wants it...

I was going to go trade in some stuff for this tomorrow, but it appears LoveFilm aren't feeling well and have decided to send me a rental copy for release day. Does anyone know if the various deals are week-long affairs or one-day offers? Figure I might as well give the rental a good shake before getting a copy to keep, but not if it'll have me paying £55 a few days from now.

[Charlie]

Choze; when you post like that without a link or citation, it's real hard to take you seriously/believe you/not see anything but an idiot.

Google confirms the care package glitch.


Can't wait for midnight tonight! Going to head to Silverburn Tesco to get it at midnight along with another 2100 points that I probably won't spend.

[Oxigen_Waste]

I'd like it, but not to actually use it myself; it would be used for a proxy Gamertag. So, if no one else wants it...

PM'd it. Let me know if it worked.

[Oxigen_Waste]

There's gotta be something wrong... I've been trying to get online since 10am, and I can't get into a match... it just keeps searching endlessly!

[Hero-of-Time]

I've been on this a few hours now and its great.

The graphics are fantastic as is the music used, there are some really epic tunes floating around the game. Im a huge fan of the explosive crossbow, its funny as hell sticking an enemy with it and watching him panic before he blows the hell up. :D

[spirited away]

There's gotta be something wrong... I've been trying to get online since 10am, and I can't get into a match... it just keeps searching endlessly!

Nat Settings? I had the same problem with MW2 when my Nat settings were strict...

[Charlie]

I'm going out to get pissed now rather than going to get this at midnight.

Geek points -1

[Sexual Chocolate]

I'm going out to get pissed now rather than going to get this at midnight.

Geek points -1

naaa your gonna get pissed and wnader into a 24/7 supermarket and buy it, Social life +1, geek life +1, everyone's a winner.

[Charlie]

naaa your gonna get pissed and wnader into a 24/7 supermarket and buy it, Social life +1, geek life +1, everyone's a winner.

I literally just said to my mate that he's to stop me getting a taxi down to Silverburn at 2am when the club closes.

[Choze]

Choze; when you post like that without a link or citation, it's real hard to take you seriously/believe you/not see anything but an idiot.

Try using google or youtube before calling someone out. Yeah the game has alot of other issues too.

Treyarch actually responded and moaned about people finding issues. Why not fix something as obvious as the care package glitch before launch in the first place? There will be plenty of issues come launch. If new stuff come they wont be able to keep on top of it. The top MW1, WAW and MW2 players already are placing it behind MW2 for online. I dont balme them the complaints sound irritating.

[Sexual Chocolate]

placing it behind the other games because of glitches?

Half of them won't even have played it yet.

I bet you 1 in 10 games online you play will have people doing the care package glitch. Not that big a deal, just go kill them and steal them if they do.

[Nintendohnut]

Try using google or youtube before calling someone out. Yeah the game has alot of other issues too.

Treyarch actually responded and moaned about people finding issues. Why not fix something as obvious as the care package glitch before launch in the first place? There will be plenty of issues come launch. If new stuff come they wont be able to keep on top of it. The top MW1, WAW and MW2 players already are placing it behind MW2 for online. I dont balme them the complaints sound irritating.

Link? 101010101010

[Choze]

search youtube. Also other forums have plenty of info and people who have already hit prestige several times.

placing it behind the other games because of glitches?

Half of them won't even have played it yet.

I bet you 1 in 10 games online you play will have people doing the care package glitch. Not that big a deal, just go kill them and steal them if they do.

Thats the best we can do. Lets hope they patch it out.

[Sexual Chocolate]

yeah, I do hope it gets patched but I thought they would have used the same code as MW2 so it does seem a bit strange and who does the testing!!!

[Nintendohnut]

Looks like there are a lot of deals going on in the supermarkets. There was an awesome post earlier on hotukdeals which gave a summary of all the deals at the supermarkets (some of them rumours but most confirmed), but it's been pulled down for some reason so I can't link it. Still, looks like everywhere is doing deals, depending on what you want to buy/spend some are better than others. Sainsburys has it for around £28 if you spend £30 instore, there are a few similar ones but with trade-ins instead of cash, and as someone mentioned above tesco is doing a deal.


search youtube. Also other forums have plenty of info and people who have already hit prestige several times.

I find it a little hard to believe that 'top players of MW2, WAW, MW etc are already placing this below MW2 for multiplayer'. First of all, who are these top players? Professionals? Or just people who played the game a lot? And how did they get their hands on this game and play it enough to make a clear and fair decision? At the very earliest they would have got the game a day or two ago, and even if they were playing it constantly (somehow) they wouldn't have put as much time into it yet as they did with MW2.

Basically I'm saying I can't be arsed searching youtube for something I don't believe is true. If you want your posts to be more believable post the links rather than just saying 'google it'. And if you get a chance have a quick look at Dante's posts for how news should be done on a forum.

Cheers!

[Aimless]

PM'd it. Let me know if it worked.
Thanks. I've passed in on to the person dealing with the 'tag, I'll let you know if there's any issues.

For the uninitiated I suppose I should explain what I meant by a proxy Gamertag. Basically it's a workaround for Live's rather basic Friend system, so a 'tag is created which everyone intending to play the game joins, then other people can see who's online using the View Friends of Friend function. It's not a perfect system but it's better than nothing.

Anyway, seems like the game received an update yesterday that tweaked some things in multiplayer. I don't know if it got rid of the care package glitch. Certainly seems to have put an end to quick-scoping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8GN8WwzrHs&feature=player_embedded), though.

[Charlie]

And if you get a chance have a quick look at Dante's posts for how news should be done on a forum.

Cheers!

Dante's posts could also be a lot better if he voiced his own opinion after the article!

[Nintendohnut]

Dante's posts could also be a lot better if he voiced his own opinion after the article!

True! That's why I'd appreciate Choze's posts if he expressed his opinion like he did above, and THEN posted a link. That would be a win :)

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Try using google or youtube before calling someone out. Yeah the game has alot of other issues too.

Treyarch actually responded and moaned about people finding issues. Why not fix something as obvious as the care package glitch before launch in the first place? There will be plenty of issues come launch. If new stuff come they wont be able to keep on top of it. The top MW1, WAW and MW2 players already are placing it behind MW2 for online. I dont balme them the complaints sound irritating.The point is that if you're going to state facts in a post, you ought to do so with some back-up, rather than replying on other posters to do the search in order to continue the discussion. It may be minute, but it's effort that you can guarentee 90% of users (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://freedomrider.blogspot.com/cheney%2520debate.gif&imgrefurl=http://cheekymax.blogspot.com/2006/10/cheney-youre-dick.html&usg=__2XSkHG6Hb1P4O-ppJ2GzRo9jbeE=&h=449&w=600&sz=48&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=2XDGh8RbJyH9jM:&tbnh=131&tbnw=175&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dyou%2527re%2Ba%2Bdick%26hl%3Den%26cli ent%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DVWD%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D556%26tbs%3Disch: 1%26prmd%3Dvi&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=256&vpy=76&dur=1048&hovh=194&hovw=260&tx=87&ty=58&ei=BFDYTKriKcGDhQeVhtnLBQ&oei=BFDYTKriKcGDhQeVhtnLBQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0) won't bother.

It's just common fucking sense to do it if you want to be taken at all seriously, otherwise you just come across as a trollshark waiting for someone to take the bait. So in essence; fuck off.

Dante's posts could also be a lot better if he voiced his own opinion after the article!

True - but doing precisely the opposite is no better. It's just douchebaggery.

[Ganepark32]

The point is that if you're going to state facts in a post, you ought to do so with some back-up, rather than replying on other posters to do the search in order to continue the discussion. It may be minute, but it's effort that you can guarentee 90% of users (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://freedomrider.blogspot.com/cheney%2520debate.gif&imgrefurl=http://cheekymax.blogspot.com/2006/10/cheney-youre-dick.html&usg=__2XSkHG6Hb1P4O-ppJ2GzRo9jbeE=&h=449&w=600&sz=48&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=2XDGh8RbJyH9jM:&tbnh=131&tbnw=175&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dyou%2527re%2Ba%2Bdick%26hl%3Den%26cli ent%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DVWD%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D556%26tbs%3Disch: 1%26prmd%3Dvi&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=256&vpy=76&dur=1048&hovh=194&hovw=260&tx=87&ty=58&ei=BFDYTKriKcGDhQeVhtnLBQ&oei=BFDYTKriKcGDhQeVhtnLBQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0) won't bother.

It's just common fucking sense to do it if you want to be taken at all seriously, otherwise you just come across as a trollshark waiting for someone to take the bait. So in essence; fuck off.

@ bolded bit: Well said good sir.

Choze, you've been pretty much against the game from the start from what I've seen so why you waste your time trolling the thread is beyond me. Ironically, however, I very much doubt this will be as much the mess your trying to make it sound as that still-in-beta-mess that is MAG.

Anyway, did contemplate going to ASDA to get this at midnight but the weather up here is atrocious (amazing, who would have thought that heavy rain/gales and Scotland would go hand in hand :P). Will just pick it up tomorrow morning on the way to Uni.

[Mike1988uk]

Well im off to Game at midnight tonight to get myself a copy (hopefully), ive decided to go with them coz i can buy Fallout: NV for £40 and get Black Ops for £25 (promotional offer), but to make things better ive got a £22 gift card to spend thus getting 2 games for just over £40!!

[Oxigen_Waste]

My complete lack of skill with Snipers and Melee has pretty much insured that I just can't win at Wager Matches, as one of both is always prominent... I've lost tons of monney already, ah!

[Cookyman]

I very much doubt this will be as much the mess your trying to make it sound as that still-in-beta-mess that is MAG.

I'm not defending Choze here but practice what you preach and get your facts right - MAG is a fantastic game and your quote about it is wrong on all levels.

[Oxigen_Waste]

MAG is a fantastic game and your quote about it is wrong on all levels.

It really isn't, though.

[Hero-of-Time]

I finished the story earlier and although the ending wasn't as epic as MW2 I still enjoyed it just as much. Make sure you watch til the end of the credits. :D

I hopped online for a bit with my mates and we played against the bots, The game calls all of the bots by names that are on your friendslist! I was killed many times by Beermonkey and Cube. :)

I then hopped into some wager matches and I have to say I LOVE the one bullet one kill mode. You really have to gauge whether you stay and hide while the other players use up their lives or go all out and get some points but at the risk of being shot.

[Cookyman]

It really isn't, though.

It really is though.

http://www.phuckpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/i_want_you_to_shut_the_fuck_up.jpg

[Oxigen_Waste]

It really is though.

http://www.phuckpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/i_want_you_to_shut_the_fuck_up.jpg

Okay, I'm not being biased or anything, I actually played the game a while and it's far from being bad. It's just not very good. It's a good effort, but it falls short of it's premise in pretty much every single account.
Are you gonna offer any sort of insight as to why you think it's so great, or is just great because you like it?

[Sexual Chocolate]

Less talk about crappy other games tell more about Black Ops Oxigen:bouncy:

[Cookyman]

far from being bad. It's just not very good. It's a good effort, but it falls short of it's premise in pretty much every single account.

Great writing there your analysis is fantastic.

Are you gonna offer any sort of insight as to why you think it's so great, or is just great because you like it?

Hmmmm why do I like it? Well for starters it doesn't fall short of it's premise in any account - Zipper created a Massive Action Game with 256 online players.

MAG is an incredibly deep online shooter which rewards working together in an 8 man squad. Communication is key and some incredible strategic decisions can be made. If you just go on for a quick blast you'll be bitterly disappointed.

MAG is probably the most updated game on the Playstation - Zipper are constantly tweaking the game and listening to their community. The recently released MAG 2.0 update was fantastic. QUOTE]Patch Alert: MAG 2.0
The big day is here!

There is so much new content in MAG 2.0 that telling you how important or huge this is for the game, its fans, and for us seems unnecessary. Take one look at the changes listed below and you’ll understand why we’re calling this MAG 2.0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3508/3795003958_a8d3605ea4.jpg

PlayStation Move support, an increased level cap, our revamped skill tree, the new economy system, and our highly-demanded clan deploy feature are just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many fantastic new or improved items in MAG 2.0 it’s almost like a whole new game!

A big thanks to all of you who have helped us get to this point with your support, your suggestions, and your mad beta testing skills. We hope you have as much fun playing MAG 2.0 as we did making it.

Patch v2.0
Available September 30th, 2010 | 36MB (TPPS), 532MB (DLS)

Gameplay (General)
Character level cap has been increased from level 60
to level 70
Added new “Supply Depot� menu and in-game economy
system (see “Gameplay – Economy� section for details)
Implemented new “Clan Deploy� feature that allows
Clan Leaders and Officers to deploy into group queues of up to
128 players
Characters moving from MAG v1.XX to MAG 2.0 will
receive an immediate and automatic Respec the first time they
log in
Repair Kits can now inflict damage on enemy soldiers,
vehicles and objectives
XP rate for “Repair� has been increased from 1.5XP/
10pts to 3XP/ 10pts
Players can now track all “sprinting� enemies on the
mini-map without the need for equipment
All “Damage Bar� rates for “Domination� maps have
reverted back to their original (and identical) values
Tuned the frequency in which a player can jump to
eliminate “bunny hopper� techniques
Reduced helicopter settle time, widened turret
rotation and significantly increased health to strengthen their
use as a forward spawn point
The “Silent Step� OIC Leadership ability now works as
intended by allowing nearby squadmates to move at both regular
and running speeds without detection from the motion sensor –
does not stack with any related skills or modifiers

Gameplay – (Economy)
Added in-game currency known as “Currency Points
(CP)� that is awarded for by completing objectives, earning
ribbons, finishing missions, and killing enemies
All gear and weapons are now located by default or
can be sold or purchased in the “Supply Depot� menu

Gameplay – Skills (Overall)
All Skills cost only one point per unlock, allowing
players to purchase new skills with every level increase
Removed all gear and weapon attainment from the
“Skills� menu, they now reside in the separate “Supply Depot�
Added “Engineering, Medical, Resistances, Special
Ops,� and ‘Vehicles� meta-categories to the “Skills� menu
Removed “Electronics, Explosives, Heavy, Personal
Defense,� and “Support� meta-categories from the “Skills� menu
Each meta-category in the “Skills� menu now has
multi-branching paths
The “Advanced Grenades, Improved Resuscitation,
Improved Shot Detection, Improved Stealth,� and “Knives
Expanded Reach� skills have all been eliminated or rolled into
other skills (see Skills sub-sections below for details)
Respec Points progression has been changed from 1K,
2K, 3K, 3K-Repeat to 1K, 3K, 5K, 5K-Repeat
Respec Points can no longer be “banked� and are
capped at the amount needed for the next Respec

Gameplay – Skills (Assault)
Added the following skills to the “Assault� menu:
“Assault Swap Speed� and “Rocket Launcher Reload Speed�
Added three upgrade tiers to the following “Assault�
skills: “Assault Reload Speed, Assault Rifle Steady Aim,
Assault Swap Speed, Grenade Launcher Reload Speed,� and “Rocket
Launcher Reload Speed�
“Assault Reload Speed� skill has changed and now
decreases the reload time for all assault rifles and machine
guns
“Assault Rifle Improved Stability� skill has been
renamed to “Assault Recoil Stability� and has been changed to
reduce the recoil on all assault rifles and machine guns
“Assault Swap Speed� skill has been changed and now
decreases the amount of time it takes to swap assault rifles,
machine guns, rocket launchers and grenade launchers

Gameplay – Skills (Marksman)
Added the following skills to the “Marksman� menu:
“Increased Scope Magnification, Marksman Fire Rate, Marksman
Recoil Stability� and “Marksman Swap Speed�
Added three upgrade tiers to the following “Marksman�
skills: “Increased Scope Magnification, Marksman Fire Rate,
Marksman Reload Speed, Marksman Recoil Stability, Marksman
Steady Aim,� and “Marksman Swap Speed�
New “Increased Scope Magnification� skill increases
the level of zoom when using a scope on a sniper rifle
New “Marksman Fire Rate� skill increases the rate of
fire for all sniper rifles
New “Marksman Recoil Stability� skill reduces the
amount of recoil on sniper rifles
New “Marksman Swap Speed� skill decreases the amount
of time it takes to swap sniper rifles

Gameplay – Skills (Close Quarters)
Added the following skills to the “Close Quarters�
menu: “Close Quarters Fire Rate, Close Quarters Swap Speed,
Improved Knife Damage,� and “Knife Frequency�
Added three upgrade tiers to the following “Close
Quarters� skills: “Close Quarters Fire Rate, Close Quarters
Recoil Stability, Close Quarters Reload Speed, Close Quarters
Swap Speed, Improved Knife Damage,� and “Knife Frequency�
“Close Quarters Improved Stability� skill has been
renamed to “Close Quarters Recoil� stability and has been
changed to reduced recoil on all pistols, personal defense
weapons, submachine guns and shotguns
New “Close Quarters Fire Rate� skill increases the
fire rate of all pistols, personal defense weapons, submachine
guns and shotguns
New “Close Quarters Swap Speed� skill decreases the
amount of time it takes to swap all pistols, personal defense
weapons, submachine guns and shotguns
New “Improved Knife Damage� skill increases the
amount of damage knife attacks do to enemy soldiers
“Knives Improved Swipe Speed� Skill has been renamed
to Knife Frequency� skill, which decreases the time between
knife attacks

Gameplay – Skills (Special Ops)
Added the following skills, all with three-tiered
upgrades, to the “Special Ops� menu: “Extended Tracking
Duration, Improved Acoustic Locator, Improved Explosive
Detector, Improved Motion Tracker, Improved Sensor Jammer� and
“Improved Suppressors�
New “Extended Tracking Duration� skill increases the
amount of time a detected enemy is tracked on the mini-map and
CNI
New “Improved Acoustic Locator� skill increases the
effective range of an equipped Acoustic Locator gear item
New “Improved Explosive Detector� skill allows a
soldier with an Explosives Detector gear item equipped to
approach enemy mines while prone without triggering them
New “Improved Motion Tracker� skill increases the
range an equipped Motion Tracker gear item detects enemy
movement
New “Improved Sensor Jammer� skill allows a soldier
with Sensor Jammer gear items to move at a faster rate before
being spotted by enemy Motion Trackers, as well as masking
nearby squadmates
New “Improved Suppressors� skill increases the
effectiveness of any suppressor when mounted on a weapon

Gameplay – Skills (Medical)
Added the following skills, all with three-tiered
upgrades, to the “Medical� menu: “Heal Recharge Rate, Improved
Healing, Improved Resupply Rate, Medical Kit Heal Range, Self
Heal Speed,� and “Resuscitation�
New “Heal Recharge Rate� skill reduces the time
between medical kit and first aid kit applications
New “Improved Resupply Rate� skill reduces the time
it takes to refill your gear and ammo at supply points
New “Medical Kit Heal Range� skill increases the
range a medical kit can heal wounded teammates
New “Self Heal Speed� skill decreases the time it
takes to apply a first aid kit or medical kit when self-healing

Gameplay – Skills (Engineering)
Added the following skills, all with three-tiered
upgrades, to the “Engineering� menu: “Advanced Electronics,
Advanced Explosives, Improved Repair Kit Damage, Improved
Repairing,� and “Mine Deploy Speed�
New “Advanced Electronics� skill decreases the amount
of time it takes to take control of battlefield
electronics-based objectives
New “Improved Repair Kit Damage� skill increases the
amount of damage the repair kit does to enemy soldiers,
vehicles and objective assets
New “Mine Deploy Speed� skill reduces the amount of
time it takes to deploy anti-personnel and anti-tank mines

Gameplay – Skills (Athleticism)
Added the following skills to the “Athleticism� menu:
“Increased Launcher Move Speed, Increased Move Speed,� and
“Improved Sprint Speed�
Added three upgrade tiers to the following
“Athleticism� skills: “Advanced Paratrooper, Increased
Endurance, Increased Launcher Move Speed, Increased Move Speed,
Improved Sprint Recovery,� and “Improved Sprint Speed�
New “Increased Launcher Move Speed� skill increases
the top speed a soldier moves and aims while holding a rocket
launcher
New “Increased Move Speed� skill increases the top
speed a soldier moves normally
New “Improved Sprint Speed� skill increases the top
speed a soldier moves while sprinting

Gameplay – Skills (Vehicles)
Added the following skills, all with three-tiered
upgrades, to the “Vehicles� menu: “Improved Smoke Screen Rate,
Improved Turret Cooldown, Improved Vehicle Awareness, Improved
Vehicle Impact Damage, Increased Vehicle Speed,� and “Vehicle
Mine Resistance�
New “Improved Smoke Screen Rate� skill reduces the
amount of time between smoke screens activated by the driver of
the vehicle
New “Improved Turret Cooldown� skill reduces the time
it takes for the soldier’s turret weapon to cool down after it
has overheated
New “Improved Vehicle Awareness� skill makes the
mini-map visible while a soldier is manning a vehicle or bunker
turret and can be upgraded to add base Acoustic Locator and
Motion Tracker functionality
New “Improved Vehicle Impact Damage� skill increases
the amount of damage inflicted on enemy soldiers when impacted
by the driver’s vehicle
New “Increased Vehicle Speed� skill increases the top
speed of the vehicle the soldier is driving
New “Vehicle Mine Resistance� skill decreases the
amount of damage a vehicle the soldier is driving takes from
enemy anti-vehicle mines

Gameplay – Skills (Resistances)
Added the following skills, all with three-tiered
upgrades, to the “Resistances� menu: “Chemical Damage
Resistance, Extended Bleedout, Explosive Damage Resistance
Flashbang Resistance, Impact Damage Resistance,� and “Increased
Health�
New “Extended Bleedout� skill increases the time a
soldier can remain incapacitated before he bleeds out
New “Flashbang Resistance� skill decreases the
duration a soldier is affected by flashbang grenades

Weapons
Increased base damage on most automatic weapons by an
average of 15%
Improved the spread rate of Assault Rifles and
Submachine guns when auto-firing so that they remain accurate
longer
All suppressors now reduce shooting detection range
by half of their old default value
Knife tuning: Reduced range by roughly 30 centimeters
and decreased default “facing� damage bonuses
Knife tuning: Changed knife attack angle so that a
hit requires target to be closer to the center of the screen
Shotgun tuning: Corrected issue that prevented all
shotguns from reloading when the player was still holding the
“fire� button
Explosive tuning: Anti-personnel Mines now have a
“line of sight� check for detonation and have been given a more
realistic damage cone
Explosive tuning: Increased “Anti-tank Mine� damage
to vehicles by 50%

Gear and Apparel
Explosives Detector no longer beeps when in proximity
of a teammate’s mines — only when near an enemy’s; beep
frequency has also been adjusted
Motion Tracker has been updated so that it is no
longer based on an enemy’s speed and is now based on an enemy’s
stance, detecting movement for all un-jammed players
The Sensor Jammer had been updated so that all prone
movement by the equipped player is masked; can be enhanced with
“Improved Sensor Jammer� skill to mask crouched movement at
level 1, walking at level 2 and sprinting at level 3
Light/ Improved Light Armor base speed has been
reduced by nearly 3%
Heavy/ Improved Heavy Armor base speed has been
increased by nearly 3%
Light and Heavy Armor types have been given “bonus�
modifiers when used in conjunction with “Speed� skills so that
Light Armors receive greater benefits and Heavy Armors receive
lesser benefits

Interface
Added “Community News� page to better inform players
in-game of all MAG-related events or promotions
Different grenade types now show specific in-game
icons when thrown
Repaired bug that would sometimes result in the
post-game results screen displaying the incorrect amount of
earned XP
Added “Total Awarded Currency Points� to “Bonuses�
section of the character “Stats� page

Audio/ Visual
Thrown or launched grenades now have a “trail� effect
as well as an updated overall appearance to make them more
visible on the battlefield
Solved issue that prevented equipped grenades to
appear in the player’s hand prior to throwing them
An assortment of camera and animation optimizations
for various scenarios including but not limited to iron sight/
laser sight zoom, ladder climbing, mine placement,
self-healing, and weapon swapping
Improved presentation of the character “jump�
animation
Updated various pieces of artwork with newer versions
for better performance
Fixed issue that sometimes prevented medical device
appearance and/ or animations from displaying properly
Increased the Sensor Array’s animation time to match
the duration of its usage
Repaired bug that prevented the “Alarm� audio from
being played when charges were planted at “Objective C� in the
“Syr Daria Uplink� and “Darrien Network� maps
Slightly lowered the amount of camera shake from air
strikes, explosions, and when firing weapons
Repaired camera “pop� problem that would sometimes
occur when sprinting out of a parachute drop
Removed “shiny� graphics that would randomly appear
on bridges for all maps in which a bridge is present
Fixed issue that prevented win/ loss voice-over from
being played when game clock expires in “Interdiction� mode
Improved visual appearance of the Ribbon awards

Technical
MAG now fully supports the PlayStation Move
peripheral
Fixed “Spooning Elevator� bug that allowed players
who revived downed teammates while laying on top of them to
float upwards and reach areas not intended to be accessed
“MVP� criteria no longer considers bonus XP modifiers
in its equation
Repaired issue that disconnected some members of
large-sized clans from the MAG game environment when logging in
Fixed issue that would sometimes halt the patching
process at 99% of the install period
Resupply Depots have been optimized so that the meter
accurately reflects what is being resupplied and the resupply
process itself is more efficient
Players can no longer take the driver’s seat in
vehicles that are not their squad’s “spawn� APC, but can take
any other seat in the vehicle regardless if their squad “owns�
the APC or not
Repaired issue with “Happy Hour� timer that would
sometimes shave a few minutes off the correct total
Solved problem that sometimes caused incapacitated
players to rotate and move around
Players are now prevented from spawning inside a
helicopter that is headed out of the map
Mended problem that caused the “Primary Objectives
Completed� stat to sometimes double for various game types
Made additional fixes for rare “game crash� scenarios
Various localization updates and changes[/QUOTE]


The DLC for the game has been fantastic and adds even more bang for your buck.

Is there really any point in me praising this game though? you've obviously made up your mind already.

Less talk about crappy other games tell more about Black Ops Oxigen:bouncy:

Sorry man but had to answer him. Anyway - back to Black Ops...

[Hero-of-Time]

Dead-Ops mode is so much fun. Its like playing Smash TV but with zombies! It would be even better if you could play it online in a co-op mode but I can't seem to find the option anywhere. :(

Its not really a spoiler as you unlock it at the main menu by doing a few things but I will post how to do it anyway.

Look at your hands at the main menu and press the R trigger and L trigger a few times. Once you are walking around go to the back of the room to a computer and type in DOA. This will unlock the game. If you want another achievemnt/trophy type in ZORK. :D

[Arnieboy]

Dead-Ops mode is so much fun. Its like playing Smash TV but with zombies! It would be even better if you could play it online in a co-op mode but I can't seem to find the option anywhere. :(

Its not really a spoiler as you unlock it at the main menu by doing a few things but I will post how to do it anyway.

Look at your hands at the main menu and press the R trigger and L trigger a few times. Once you are walking around go to the back of the room to a computer and type in DOA. This will unlock the game. If you want another achievemnt/trophy type in ZORK. :D

I've been spoiling myself in anticipation of this, not on the campaign but looking up clips of zombie mode and i just literally found a video showing that!

That mode looks awesome, zombies and a smash tv minigame :hehe:

[Choze]

Came from Asda afew min ago. There is a queue. Nowhere near as big as MW2 but still biggest game of the year. I am leaning towards Tesco right now.


I find it a little hard to believe that 'top players of MW2, WAW, MW etc are already placing this below MW2 for multiplayer'. First of all, who are these top players? Professionals? Or just people who played the game a lot? And how did they get their hands on this game and play it enough to make a clear and fair decision? At the very earliest they would have got the game a day or two ago, and even if they were playing it constantly (somehow) they wouldn't have put as much time into it yet as they did with MW2.

Its out in the US and other countries. Yes alot of good players got their copy early. Heck some camp game betas and stuff for the same reason. They also will find flaws many of us never will realise without alot of play and experience they have. Dont confuse critique with hate. I love MW1 most for the reasons mentioned but I also enjoyed MW2 and I am sure I will enjoy Black Ops regardless of the issues.

The point is that if you're going to state facts in a post, you ought to do so with some back-up, rather than replying on other posters to do the search in order to continue the discussion. It may be minute, but it's effort that you can guarentee 90% of users won't bother.

It's just common fucking sense to do it if you want to be taken at all seriously, otherwise you just come across as a trollshark waiting for someone to take the bait. So in essence; fuck off.


I'll post more links here but surely the fans know where to look outside of N-E? Where do you guys get COD community info from anyway? Everyone talks about COD on every gaming forum and website! Its hard to miss this stuff. Anyway posting links is not a huge problem for me.

[Caris]

Stood in ASDA, about 100 people here already.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Great writing there your analysis is fantastic.



Hmmmm why do I like it? Well for starters it doesn't fall short of it's premise in any account - Zipper created a Massive Action Game with 256 online players.

MAG is an incredibly deep online shooter which rewards working together in an 8 man squad. Communication is key and some incredible strategic decisions can be made. If you just go on for a quick blast you'll be bitterly disappointed.

MAG is probably the most updated game on the Playstation - Zipper are constantly tweaking the game and listening to their community. The recently released MAG 2.0 update was fantastic. QUOTE]Patch Alert: MAG 2.0
The big day is here!

There is so much new content in MAG 2.0 that telling you how important or huge this is for the game, its fans, and for us seems unnecessary. Take one look at the changes listed below and you’ll understand why we’re calling this MAG 2.0

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PlayStation Move support, an increased level cap, our revamped skill tree, the new economy system, and our highly-demanded clan deploy feature are just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many fantastic new or improved items in MAG 2.0 it’s almost like a whole new game!

A big thanks to all of you who have helped us get to this point with your support, your suggestions, and your mad beta testing skills. We hope you have as much fun playing MAG 2.0 as we did making it.

Patch v2.0
Available September 30th, 2010 | 36MB (TPPS), 532MB (DLS)

Gameplay (General)
Character level cap has been increased from level 60
to level 70
Added new “Supply Depot” menu and in-game economy
system (see “Gameplay – Economy” section for details)
Implemented new “Clan Deploy” feature that allows
Clan Leaders and Officers to deploy into group queues of up to
128 players
Characters moving from MAG v1.XX to MAG 2.0 will
receive an immediate and automatic Respec the first time they
log in
Repair Kits can now inflict damage on enemy soldiers,
vehicles and objectives
XP rate for “Repair” has been increased from 1.5XP/
10pts to 3XP/ 10pts
Players can now track all “sprinting” enemies on the
mini-map without the need for equipment
All “Damage Bar” rates for “Domination” maps have
reverted back to their original (and identical) values
Tuned the frequency in which a player can jump to
eliminate “bunny hopper” techniques
Reduced helicopter settle time, widened turret
rotation and significantly increased health to strengthen their
use as a forward spawn point
The “Silent Step” OIC Leadership ability now works as
intended by allowing nearby squadmates to move at both regular
and running speeds without detection from the motion sensor –
does not stack with any related skills or modifiers

Gameplay – (Economy)
Added in-game currency known as “Currency Points
(CP)” that is awarded for by completing objectives, earning
ribbons, finishing missions, and killing enemies
All gear and weapons are now located by default or
can be sold or purchased in the “Supply Depot” menu

Gameplay – Skills (Overall)
All Skills cost only one point per unlock, allowing
players to purchase new skills with every level increase
Removed all gear and weapon attainment from the
“Skills” menu, they now reside in the separate “Supply Depot”
Added “Engineering, Medical, Resistances, Special
Ops,” and ‘Vehicles” meta-categories to the “Skills” menu
Removed “Electronics, Explosives, Heavy, Personal
Defense,” and “Support” meta-categories from the “Skills” menu
Each meta-category in the “Skills” menu now has
multi-branching paths
The “Advanced Grenades, Improved Resuscitation,
Improved Shot Detection, Improved Stealth,” and “Knives
Expanded Reach” skills have all been eliminated or rolled into
other skills (see Skills sub-sections below for details)
Respec Points progression has been changed from 1K,
2K, 3K, 3K-Repeat to 1K, 3K, 5K, 5K-Repeat
Respec Points can no longer be “banked” and are
capped at the amount needed for the next Respec

Gameplay – Skills (Assault)
Added the following skills to the “Assault” menu:
“Assault Swap Speed” and “Rocket Launcher Reload Speed”
Added three upgrade tiers to the following “Assault”
skills: “Assault Reload Speed, Assault Rifle Steady Aim,
Assault Swap Speed, Grenade Launcher Reload Speed,” and “Rocket
Launcher Reload Speed”
“Assault Reload Speed” skill has changed and now
decreases the reload time for all assault rifles and machine
guns
“Assault Rifle Improved Stability” skill has been
renamed to “Assault Recoil Stability” and has been changed to
reduce the recoil on all assault rifles and machine guns
“Assault Swap Speed” skill has been changed and now
decreases the amount of time it takes to swap assault rifles,
machine guns, rocket launchers and grenade launchers

Gameplay – Skills (Marksman)
Added the following skills to the “Marksman” menu:
“Increased Scope Magnification, Marksman Fire Rate, Marksman
Recoil Stability” and “Marksman Swap Speed”
Added three upgrade tiers to the following “Marksman”
skills: “Increased Scope Magnification, Marksman Fire Rate,
Marksman Reload Speed, Marksman Recoil Stability, Marksman
Steady Aim,” and “Marksman Swap Speed”
New “Increased Scope Magnification” skill increases
the level of zoom when using a scope on a sniper rifle
New “Marksman Fire Rate” skill increases the rate of
fire for all sniper rifles
New “Marksman Recoil Stability” skill reduces the
amount of recoil on sniper rifles
New “Marksman Swap Speed” skill decreases the amount
of time it takes to swap sniper rifles

Gameplay – Skills (Close Quarters)
Added the following skills to the “Close Quarters”
menu: “Close Quarters Fire Rate, Close Quarters Swap Speed,
Improved Knife Damage,” and “Knife Frequency”
Added three upgrade tiers to the following “Close
Quarters” skills: “Close Quarters Fire Rate, Close Quarters
Recoil Stability, Close Quarters Reload Speed, Close Quarters
Swap Speed, Improved Knife Damage,” and “Knife Frequency”
“Close Quarters Improved Stability” skill has been
renamed to “Close Quarters Recoil” stability and has been
changed to reduced recoil on all pistols, personal defense
weapons, submachine guns and shotguns
New “Close Quarters Fire Rate” skill increases the
fire rate of all pistols, personal defense weapons, submachine
guns and shotguns
New “Close Quarters Swap Speed” skill decreases the
amount of time it takes to swap all pistols, personal defense
weapons, submachine guns and shotguns
New “Improved Knife Damage” skill increases the
amount of damage knife attacks do to enemy soldiers
“Knives Improved Swipe Speed” Skill has been renamed
to Knife Frequency” skill, which decreases the time between
knife attacks

Gameplay – Skills (Special Ops)
Added the following skills, all with three-tiered
upgrades, to the “Special Ops” menu: “Extended Tracking
Duration, Improved Acoustic Locator, Improved Explosive
Detector, Improved Motion Tracker, Improved Sensor Jammer” and
“Improved Suppressors”
New “Extended Tracking Duration” skill increases the
amount of time a detected enemy is tracked on the mini-map and
CNI
New “Improved Acoustic Locator” skill increases the
effective range of an equipped Acoustic Locator gear item
New “Improved Explosive Detector” skill allows a
soldier with an Explosives Detector gear item equipped to
approach enemy mines while prone without triggering them
New “Improved Motion Tracker” skill increases the
range an equipped Motion Tracker gear item detects enemy
movement
New “Improved Sensor Jammer” skill allows a soldier
with Sensor Jammer gear items to move at a faster rate before
being spotted by enemy Motion Trackers, as well as masking
nearby squadmates
New “Improved Suppressors” skill increases the
effectiveness of any suppressor when mounted on a weapon

Gameplay – Skills (Medical)
Added the following skills, all with three-tiered
upgrades, to the “Medical” menu: “Heal Recharge Rate, Improved
Healing, Improved Resupply Rate, Medical Kit Heal Range, Self
Heal Speed,” and “Resuscitation”
New “Heal Recharge Rate” skill reduces the time
between medical kit and first aid kit applications
New “Improved Resupply Rate” skill reduces the time
it takes to refill your gear and ammo at supply points
New “Medical Kit Heal Range” skill increases the
range a medical kit can heal wounded teammates
New “Self Heal Speed” skill decreases the time it
takes to apply a first aid kit or medical kit when self-healing

Gameplay – Skills (Engineering)
Added the following skills, all with three-tiered
upgrades, to the “Engineering” menu: “Advanced Electronics,
Advanced Explosives, Improved Repair Kit Damage, Improved
Repairing,” and “Mine Deploy Speed”
New “Advanced Electronics” skill decreases the amount
of time it takes to take control of battlefield
electronics-based objectives
New “Improved Repair Kit Damage” skill increases the
amount of damage the repair kit does to enemy soldiers,
vehicles and objective assets
New “Mine Deploy Speed” skill reduces the amount of
time it takes to deploy anti-personnel and anti-tank mines

Gameplay – Skills (Athleticism)
Added the following skills to the “Athleticism” menu:
“Increased Launcher Move Speed, Increased Move Speed,” and
“Improved Sprint Speed”
Added three upgrade tiers to the following
“Athleticism” skills: “Advanced Paratrooper, Increased
Endurance, Increased Launcher Move Speed, Increased Move Speed,
Improved Sprint Recovery,” and “Improved Sprint Speed”
New “Increased Launcher Move Speed” skill increases
the top speed a soldier moves and aims while holding a rocket
launcher
New “Increased Move Speed” skill increases the top
speed a soldier moves normally
New “Improved Sprint Speed” skill increases the top
speed a soldier moves while sprinting

Gameplay – Skills (Vehicles)
Added the following skills, all with three-tiered
upgrades, to the “Vehicles” menu: “Improved Smoke Screen Rate,
Improved Turret Cooldown, Improved Vehicle Awareness, Improved
Vehicle Impact Damage, Increased Vehicle Speed,” and “Vehicle
Mine Resistance”
New “Improved Smoke Screen Rate” skill reduces the
amount of time between smoke screens activated by the driver of
the vehicle
New “Improved Turret Cooldown” skill reduces the time
it takes for the soldier’s turret weapon to cool down after it
has overheated
New “Improved Vehicle Awareness” skill makes the
mini-map visible while a soldier is manning a vehicle or bunker
turret and can be upgraded to add base Acoustic Locator and
Motion Tracker functionality
New “Improved Vehicle Impact Damage” skill increases
the amount of damage inflicted on enemy soldiers when impacted
by the driver’s vehicle
New “Increased Vehicle Speed” skill increases the top
speed of the vehicle the soldier is driving
New “Vehicle Mine Resistance” skill decreases the
amount of damage a vehicle the soldier is driving takes from
enemy anti-vehicle mines

Gameplay – Skills (Resistances)
Added the following skills, all with three-tiered
upgrades, to the “Resistances” menu: “Chemical Damage
Resistance, Extended Bleedout, Explosive Damage Resistance
Flashbang Resistance, Impact Damage Resistance,” and “Increased
Health”
New “Extended Bleedout” skill increases the time a
soldier can remain incapacitated before he bleeds out
New “Flashbang Resistance” skill decreases the
duration a soldier is affected by flashbang grenades

Weapons
Increased base damage on most automatic weapons by an
average of 15%
Improved the spread rate of Assault Rifles and
Submachine guns when auto-firing so that they remain accurate
longer
All suppressors now reduce shooting detection range
by half of their old default value
Knife tuning: Reduced range by roughly 30 centimeters
and decreased default “facing” damage bonuses
Knife tuning: Changed knife attack angle so that a
hit requires target to be closer to the center of the screen
Shotgun tuning: Corrected issue that prevented all
shotguns from reloading when the player was still holding the
“fire” button
Explosive tuning: Anti-personnel Mines now have a
“line of sight” check for detonation and have been given a more
realistic damage cone
Explosive tuning: Increased “Anti-tank Mine” damage
to vehicles by 50%

Gear and Apparel
Explosives Detector no longer beeps when in proximity
of a teammate’s mines — only when near an enemy’s; beep
frequency has also been adjusted
Motion Tracker has been updated so that it is no
longer based on an enemy’s speed and is now based on an enemy’s
stance, detecting movement for all un-jammed players
The Sensor Jammer had been updated so that all prone
movement by the equipped player is masked; can be enhanced with
“Improved Sensor Jammer” skill to mask crouched movement at
level 1, walking at level 2 and sprinting at level 3
Light/ Improved Light Armor base speed has been
reduced by nearly 3%
Heavy/ Improved Heavy Armor base speed has been
increased by nearly 3%
Light and Heavy Armor types have been given “bonus”
modifiers when used in conjunction with “Speed” skills so that
Light Armors receive greater benefits and Heavy Armors receive
lesser benefits

Interface
Added “Community News” page to better inform players
in-game of all MAG-related events or promotions
Different grenade types now show specific in-game
icons when thrown
Repaired bug that would sometimes result in the
post-game results screen displaying the incorrect amount of
earned XP
Added “Total Awarded Currency Points” to “Bonuses”
section of the character “Stats” page

Audio/ Visual
Thrown or launched grenades now have a “trail” effect
as well as an updated overall appearance to make them more
visible on the battlefield
Solved issue that prevented equipped grenades to
appear in the player’s hand prior to throwing them
An assortment of camera and animation optimizations
for various scenarios including but not limited to iron sight/
laser sight zoom, ladder climbing, mine placement,
self-healing, and weapon swapping
Improved presentation of the character “jump”
animation
Updated various pieces of artwork with newer versions
for better performance
Fixed issue that sometimes prevented medical device
appearance and/ or animations from displaying properly
Increased the Sensor Array’s animation time to match
the duration of its usage
Repaired bug that prevented the “Alarm” audio from
being played when charges were planted at “Objective C” in the
“Syr Daria Uplink” and “Darrien Network” maps
Slightly lowered the amount of camera shake from air
strikes, explosions, and when firing weapons
Repaired camera “pop” problem that would sometimes
occur when sprinting out of a parachute drop
Removed “shiny” graphics that would randomly appear
on bridges for all maps in which a bridge is present
Fixed issue that prevented win/ loss voice-over from
being played when game clock expires in “Interdiction” mode
Improved visual appearance of the Ribbon awards

Technical
MAG now fully supports the PlayStation Move
peripheral
Fixed “Spooning Elevator” bug that allowed players
who revived downed teammates while laying on top of them to
float upwards and reach areas not intended to be accessed
“MVP” criteria no longer considers bonus XP modifiers
in its equation
Repaired issue that disconnected some members of
large-sized clans from the MAG game environment when logging in
Fixed issue that would sometimes halt the patching
process at 99% of the install period
Resupply Depots have been optimized so that the meter
accurately reflects what is being resupplied and the resupply
process itself is more efficient
Players can no longer take the driver’s seat in
vehicles that are not their squad’s “spawn” APC, but can take
any other seat in the vehicle regardless if their squad “owns”
the APC or not
Repaired issue with “Happy Hour” timer that would
sometimes shave a few minutes off the correct total
Solved problem that sometimes caused incapacitated
players to rotate and move around
Players are now prevented from spawning inside a
helicopter that is headed out of the map
Mended problem that caused the “Primary Objectives
Completed” stat to sometimes double for various game types
Made additional fixes for rare “game crash” scenarios
Various localization updates and changes


The DLC for the game has been fantastic and adds even more bang for your buck.

Is there really any point in me praising this game though? you've obviously made up your mind already.[/QUOTE]

I haven't made my mind up, no. I tried it and "liked" it, it just didn't stand out as I'd expected it to. While it indeed is 250+ players, it never feels like you're playing with more than 20 people, which eventually renders the whole 250+ kind of useless.
When it comes to straight action, COD is better, when it comes to strategic "squad" action, Team Fortress 2 takes the prize and Bad Company isn't far behind, probably tied with MAG. As I've always played both those regularly, MAG was a disappointment to me (I was quite looking forward to it when it came out).

As for all the DLC, I obviously didn't try that so it's absent from my "opinion" of MAG.

But if you so solemnly insist on it's greatness, I guess I'll give it another more prolonged try. Seeing as it's so cheap now.

Less talk about crappy other games tell more about Black Ops Oxigen:bouncy:

It's quite awesome. Everything that annoyed 'bout MW2 is gone, it's more based on skill this time around... The wager matches are a blast, Zombie mode's tweak with new weapons is awesome... It's pretty much everything I wanted it to be, multiplayer-wise. Still haven't touched the single player, lol. The currency system works really well, as you can fit into your style of play right from the start. The barebones playlist is awesome. Dead-Ops is also awesome. It's pretty much a good package. Wether or not it's brilliant remains to be seen, but so far, so great.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Choze; I'm not a DIECORE fan of any game enough to go and join group masturbation sessions. I recognise that, ultimately, these games are just a means to an end -- that is, a way for the producers to get our fucking money. So why should I care that much?

Regardless of how much of the internet is covered in your grease, the point is that on this forum there's a certain way we run things. Firstly, don't presume that everyone behaves as you do. Don't assume that everyone knows what you do. This forum is about discussion and debate, not the measuring of various penises or pointing out/overlooking whatever smeg you feel is a tarnish on the penis that you'd otherwise suck.

The point is that you added nothing to this thread. Feel free to post things that back you up, and learn to be succinct. I don't understand why people ever argue the way you do - you're not going to convince anyone to change their mind with the way you argue, you're just going to make people think that you're a dick.

[Arnieboy]

A problem for me with the Call of Duty franchise has been replayability. On the older titles i complete the campaign and then i put it down. I'm not really the type for online multiplayer but i enjoy the campaigns enough to play through them every time.
While Spec Ops was...okay the zombie mode in World at War kept my attention span for longer and this game from what i'm getting has more modes and secrets to keep me amused for even longer.

Now all i can do is wait and hope that Play actually gets this to me tomorrow morning. Goldeneye came on time but they posted this saturday, will be a bit peeved if it's not here tomorrow. :blank:

[Choze]

Choze; I'm not a DIECORE fan of any game enough to go and join group masturbation sessions. I recognise that, ultimately, these games are just a means to an end -- that is, a way for the producers to get our fucking money. So why should I care that much?

Regardless of how much of the internet is covered in your grease, the point is that on this forum there's a certain way we run things. Firstly, don't presume that everyone behaves as you do. Don't assume that everyone knows what you do. This forum is about discussion and debate, not the measuring of various penises or pointing out/overlooking whatever smeg you feel is a tarnish on the penis that you'd otherwise suck.

The point is that you added nothing to this thread. Feel free to post things that back you up, and learn to be succinct. I don't understand why people ever argue the way you do - you're not going to convince anyone to change their mind with the way you argue, you're just going to make people think that you're a dick.

Not really arguing. Feel free to think what you like. Some people will like stuff like random spawning others wont. Heck look at the KZ3 beta. I prefer KZ2 gameplay but others like the changes. We are free to be critical.

[Wesley]

Jtothe7 just laid it down, so leave it now.

Kind of wanna go grab this now.

My brothers got in touch with me today asking if I was picking it up at midnight.

To be honest what will eventually make me get this will be for some decent multiplayer time with family.

CoD for me has become a tool for odd computer game bonding with my brothers.

We used to all sit around an N64 for some GoldenEye/PD.

Now it's scattered across the country with CoD.

It oddly holds a spot in my gaming heart next to GoldenEye and PD.

[Cookyman]

Gona pop up to asdas shortly - it's pissing down outside!

[Choze]

[/SPOILER]

The DLC for the game has been fantastic and adds even more bang for your buck.

Is there really any point in me praising this game though? you've obviously made up your mind already.

I haven't made my mind up, no. I tried it and "liked" it, it just didn't stand out as I'd expected it to. While it indeed is 250+ players, it never feels like you're playing with more than 20 people, which eventually renders the whole 250+ kind of useless.
When it comes to straight action, COD is better, when it comes to strategic "squad" action, Team Fortress 2 takes the prize and Bad Company isn't far behind, probably tied with MAG. As I've always played both those regularly, MAG was a disappointment to me (I was quite looking forward to it when it came out).

As for all the DLC, I obviously didn't try that so it's absent from my "opinion" of MAG.

But if you so solemnly insist on it's greatness, I guess I'll give it another more prolonged try. Seeing as it's so cheap now.


If you remotely enjoy TF2 you will LOVE MAG. Its insanely good. I joined late for the same reasons as I thought it was poo :p

Tesco time.

[Mike1988uk]

Was 4th in the que at GAME, but the que ended up being huge, felt ace walking out with the game with everyone looking at me!!

Got a free poster, dvd, avatar item, double reward points and entered into a raffle. + Got this and Fallout: NV for £42 thanks to the offer and a £22 gift card! :)

[Oxigen_Waste]

Was 4th in the que at GAME, but the que ended up being huge, felt ace walking out with the game with everyone looking at me!!

Got a free poster, dvd, avatar item, double reward points and entered into a raffle. + Got this and Fallout: NV for £42 thanks to the offer and a £22 gift card! :)

You have 56,000 G????? Jesus christ, you must be the least productive person on the planet! :eek:

[Caris]

Asda was actually insane, the queue went all the way across the supermarket and back. It was like being in a mosh pit of CoD fans.

Played the first 3 levels and it's been a bit meh, but I think it's gonna get better.

[Nintenchris]

Its not even 10pm here... was gonna go out to a midnight launch but decided to stay home and not freeze my balls off :smile:

[Deathjam]

Sigh. It's completely borked on PC. Multiplayer has lag issues and severe frame rate drops with frequent server disconnects. Singleplayer has framerate issues too, and even the main menu interface has input lag/freezing issues. It's a real shame because when I actually managed to get a lag less experience, the game was loads of fun. It could be because the maps seem infinitely better than what MW2 had to offer but it's early days yet. Oh and it's not just me having problems. The people on the 5 different servers I played were complaining of the same issues, and the steam forums are full of complaints. I also read that treyarchs forums went down, probably because of the amount of people trying to voice their opinion.

[MadDog]

I'm going to take some PS3 games down to GAME/ASDA to see if i can get the money to get this. ASDA trade in prices were alot better than GAMEs last time i traded in some games.

[Charlie]

What do you guys think of it then?


Been playing for an hour or so.
-I like the new system of unlocking things
-Too many people are running about like headless chickens with SMGs and just mowing you down, no real tactics going on at the moment making it hard to get kill streaks
-Can't comment on the levels until I play them a bit more to get to know them
-The aiming feels a bit 'floaty' and less responsive than MW2. I got BF:BC2 and had the same problem but fortunately BO is much better than BC2 in that respect. Still, not as sharp as MW2 was
-Does the text really need to be that small?!?

[Choze]

Lovefilm are sending me Black Ops so it should be here tomorrow. Tesco messed up in my area and ran out of PSN cards so people literally left to go Asda or GAME. :hmm: Though they have the deal online if anyone cares. Sainsburys is another good option if i have time as its a bit far.

[Mike1988uk]

You have 56,000 G????? Jesus christ, you must be the least productive person on the planet! :eek:

I'm not sure what your getting at here... But i do have a life, thanks!

[Hero-of-Time]

The online is a bit knackered at the moment. If you try to play player matches with your mates it keeps kicking everyone out of the party so you end up in seperate matches. It was doing it all last night and its continued to do so today.

I've had a few matches on Nazi Zombies and its as fun as always. Although I don't care much for the crawler type enemies that spew gas out. I can't remember them being in WaW.

[Sexual Chocolate]

I love it at the moment, not played much but I did win my first gun match the one where it swaps weapons every time you get kill. Enjoyable just kept stabbing everyone think i stabbed the guy in first place to knock him one below me and i climbed to top in the last seconds, all in all I likey alot.

Shame the theatre mode is not working yet :( would have loved to have seen my first match.

[Ganepark32]

Bought this earlier but it had to remain in my bag while I endured a statistics lecture. Fun times.

Have had a go now, though, and as expected, I'm enjoying it. Just got up to the first mission in Vietnam (mission 4) and have to say, the second mission has so far been the best. Really liked that one. Had a go at DOA as well and it's great. Gonna try out Zork later on.

Had a quick jaunt online. Only played part of a team deathmatch game as the connection to the host was left after someone left, presumably the host for said match. So does that mean there's no host migration this time around? Would be stupid if it wasn't in there. Felt weird playing CoD online again. I had played Medal of Honor online but it's been 10 months or so since I last played CoD and it took about half of the time I got to play in that match to get back up to speed, although certain things like the guns firing online seem to feel different from what I remember.

So yeh, it's good so far. Need to play more to ably compare to MW2. Not really seeing it as GOTY potential yet, as some reviews have said, but then the calibre of games we've had this year has been extremely high.

[Emerald Emblem]

Well been checking out Video reviews of this, I've never bought a CoD or any WW shooters, though I have to admit the content looks great. Maybe trade in Fallout New Vegas for it.

[Oxigen_Waste]

I'm not sure what your getting at here... But i do have a life, thanks!

Forget 'bout it, I had never looked into people's gamercards... and I thought yours was ridiculously high... that is till I saw some others. Disregard previous comment.

[Hero-of-Time]

I fought my way through the first level on Veteran only to have the game glitch on me. I had to destroy an enemy vehicle but everytime I did it the game kept failing me for killing my allies! I sucked it up and started again.

After that I ploughed my way through the first 3 levels on Veteran but the game didn't give me my achievement. What's worse this CoD doesn't seem to track what levels you have done on Veteran, so I have no clue as to which levels the game has registered me as beating!

I guess I will have to start from scratch again so thats me done for the day, its killed my fighting spirit. :(

[ReZourceman]

So this game is covered in hax basically.

[Daft]

So this game is covered in hax basically.

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[Cookyman]

q0zVL8IRRvo

It's the 360 version - I hope the PS3 doesn't have the same game ruining bug!

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

I lolled.

Floating Apple Bug would make a great band name.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Crappy glitch on the first level pretty much ensured that it's gonna be a while till I play the campaign. Why are all COD games terribly full of glitches at launch? Are they in such a hurry?

I fought my way through the first level on Veteran only to have the game glitch on me. I had to destroy an enemy vehicle but everytime I did it the game kept failing me for killing my allies! I sucked it up and started again.

Your actions caused your team to be killed, right? And they're safe and sound by your side... That's the one I got too... seems there's a lot of people getting it. Bah.

[Mundi]

Played it a bit at a friend's house last night, all good fun.
Felt that it was a very tweaked MW.

The RC is just all kinds of random fun and the extreme number of killing streaks have toned down a bit.
Really liked that you can get unique killstreaks with care-packages, the minigun seems like it is every kind of overkill.

Split-screen online worked much better then I expected, had not noticeable performance issues and joining games had no problems.

[Hero-of-Time]

Your actions caused your team to be killed, right? And they're safe and sound by your side... That's the one I got too... seems there's a lot of people getting it. Bah.

Yup, that's the one.

I managed to unlock my Veteran achievement this morning. I just replayed the whole of the 3rd level on veteran and once it was done I got my reward. Apparently a few others are having this problem aswell and it could be caused by saving and quitting midlevel. I guess you have to do each level in one sitting to be safe.

[flameboy]

Well I've safely missed the hype for this game and to be honest not that bothered! I got caught up in MW2 and didn't get all that much into the multiplayer despite what I've just said I am curious is there anything about this one that would draw me in?

[Wesley]

I picked this up yesterday while doing some shopping at Sainsburys.

My mate was telling me about the currency system and some of the new modes, got me pretty excited.

[Caris]

Just finished this.

Meh/10

[The Lillster]

Just finished this.

Meh/10

How is the multiplayer?

[Caris]

Better, but missing the spark IW have in my opinion.

I'll play more though.

[Emerald Emblem]

I plan on trading in Fallout New Vegas, anyone know the best trade in deal on it?

[Nintendohnut]

HMV will give you Blops for £8 if you trade in New Vegas... or at least they were doing that on launch day. Maybe not any more...ß

[Cube]

Better, but missing the spark IW have in my opinion.

I'll play more though.

So it's not back up to CoD4 quality?

[Oxigen_Waste]

So it's not back up to CoD4 quality?

If you mean singleplayer... I haven't played it, but that's impossible.

As for the multiplayer, it's almost as good, with some new toys.

[Emerald Emblem]

HMV will give you Blops for £8 if you trade in New Vegas... or at least they were doing that on launch day. Maybe not any more...ß

Was no longer in the offer, Medal of Honor was the only game for that offer now.

I went to the local small branch shop and got it for £20.99 with the New Vegas trade in.

[Mike1988uk]

Forget 'bout it, I had never looked into people's gamercards... and I thought yours was ridiculously high... that is till I saw some others. Disregard previous comment.

Ok...

Just looked on google and the world record holider for highest Gamerscore has passed 500,000!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/104447-Worlds-Biggest-Gamerscore-Breaks-500-000

I plan on trading in Fallout New Vegas, anyone know the best trade in deal on it?

I think ASDA had a trade in offer if you bought Black Ops for games that were in their chart, that might have only been a launch day offer though, maybe worth having a look!

[Emerald Emblem]

Ok...

Just looked on google and the world record holider for highest Gamerscore has passed 500,000!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/104447-Worlds-Biggest-Gamerscore-Breaks-500-000



I think ASDA had a trade in offer if you bought Black Ops for games that were in their chart, that might have only been a launch day offer though, maybe worth having a look!
Bit late for that now. If I could have waited till Sunday I would have done. Thanks for the heads up though, might help others. ;3

[Mike1988uk]

Bit late for that now. If I could have waited till Sunday I would have done. Thanks for the heads up though, might help others. ;3

Oh yeah, would have helped if i read your post above mine before posting! lol.

[Aimless]

Whilst I generally like a lot of the changes Treyarch have made to multiplayer, the way everyone moves around almost silently is ruining my game. I've always made extensive use of sound to get an early warning of when people are approaching, and from which direction, but in Black Ops it's like everyone has Ninja equipped even when they don't.

I don't have the twitchiest aim, I don't find it fun to sprint around the map stabbing people like a loon, but the skill set I have been nurturing — keeping an eye on the radar, listening for any incongruous sounds so that I can be in a good position to get the jump on someone — has been more or less neutered. And I'm not sure why.

[Shorty]

Sometimes when I buy a game and play it, I have this sinking feeling like: Oh damn, I wish I hadn't removed the seal on this game.

This game just feels inferior to MW2. It's the same system, but with nothing new. If anything, it feels like it came out a year or two before MW2. Visually it's less impressive, audibly less impressive, story and characters are less compelling, the action is more straightforward. I'm only a couple of levels so I may change my mind but I'm really not feeling this yet.

Also I'm hating how they've somehow managed to make an already linear system even more linear. I try and take cover by a rock, I die instantly and get the message "hide behind the coal cart". I try and explore a room, I fade to black: "you're not following the escape plan". Why don't they just save my thumbs some effort and make it on-rails?

The multiplayer/zombies may redeem it for me, we'll see :)

[McPhee]

It's just part of the slow decline of CoD in my opinion. I'm in Nam in the single player and I'm really not loving it at all. At the moment definitely CoD4 > CoD2 > WaW > CoD > MW2 > CoD3 > BO. Still, trade in value should be high.

[dwarf gourami]

Why are people giving a shit about the campaign? Every Cod campaign has been tremendously average slash boring.

[Arnieboy]

I completed this the other day and for the record, the campaign is brilliant - better than Modern Warfare in my opinion. Loved it.

Online multiplayer is the usual okay, i never really get into it much. The zombies i played one round with some foreigners who all died on the first dog round and then i got ganked :( But the zombie mode seems addictive as ever and i look forward to playing it with some mates later on.

What really surprised me though was Dead Ops, what a great little game that is!

Overall, i like it a lot. Didn't disappoint me like Modern Warfare 2 did.

[Charlie]

Played another half hour tonight, the first time since yesterday afternoon, and I'm getting into it (multiplayer, haven't and will not, touch the single player) much more than before. Very similar to MW2 but not as good. I've only played a lot of the levels once so can't comment too much but from a first impression a lot of the level design is a lot better than MW2. Need to play a bit more though.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Shorty; what do you think about the online side of things? That's pretty much the only potential reason why I'd get Blops (props to whoever came up with that name!)... but the mixed reviews make me think I will just wait 6-9 months and get it for half the price.

People trading in New Vegas... madness. Essentially you bought that AND Blops for, what, £60? £30 a game... just so you could play it asap. I'll probably end up getting both for £30. So nyer.

[Hero-of-Time]

The zombies i played one round with some foreigners who all died on the first dog round and then i got ganked :( But the zombie mode seems addictive as ever and i look forward to playing it with some mates later on.

Yeah, the zombie mode is great. The highest round me and my mates have got to is 11. We still haven't found a decent place to camp in the later rounds though.

I jumped online for a bit of multiplayer action earlier and im quite enjoying it. There seems to be a massive decline in the amount of people camping on this, which is always a good thing IMO. Most of the time people seem to be just running and gunning, which totally suits my style of play. :D

[Ganepark32]

I kind of understand the 'mehs' being thrown around in relation to the single player campaign and I'll admit, I've yet to come across a level or moment so poignant as to make me want to replay it. Granted, I'm probably half way through at most and still have quite a lot left to play so there could be something to come which grabs me but I think while employing a unique story telling device, Treyarch have perhaps gone a little overboard with it as rather than coming together to feel all part of the same story, it just feels like confined events that share some of the characters.

As I say, something could grab me later on. Having play the other 3 big FPSs this year (Battlefield Bad Company 2, Halo: Reach and Medal of Honor), I'd say the single player probably isn't the worst of the games (if I had to rank them, it'd be Halo: Reach > Blops > B:BC2 > MoH) but I'd definitely say I've not had a moment as daunting or eye opening as two particular moments in Medal of Honor, which contrary to what some people are saying (mainly people who haven't actually played the game) is actually pretty decent, or anything as particularly standout as anything in Reach.

As for online, while I thought the RC was a nice inclusion when announced, it's now one of the most annoying things in an online shooter yet.

[Emerald Emblem]

People trading in New Vegas... madness. Essentially you bought that AND Blops for, what, £60? £30 a game... just so you could play it asap. I'll probably end up getting both for £30. So nyer.

For me it isn't about getting Black Ops ASAP, since I've never been much of a fan of COD, it's about playing something that won't freeze/glitch up every hour and break up the gameplay, plus without save points I'm never good at saving so having to re-tread the same ground and find the same locations over and over gets tedious and begins to not be fun, when the game drops in price and there are more patches out I'll re-buy, since I did enjoy New Vegas.

[Deathjam]

Whilst I generally like a lot of the changes Treyarch have made to multiplayer, the way everyone moves around almost silently is ruining my game. I've always made extensive use of sound to get an early warning of when people are approaching, and from which direction, but in Black Ops it's like everyone has Ninja equipped even when they don't.

I don't have the twitchiest aim, I don't find it fun to sprint around the map stabbing people like a loon, but the skill set I have been nurturing — keeping an eye on the radar, listening for any incongruous sounds so that I can be in a good position to get the jump on someone — has been more or less neutered. And I'm not sure why.

I know what you mean about the 'inbuilt ninja' as I play with headphones, and listening for footsteps was a real part of my run and gun gameplay. Anyways, some reckon that Treyarch will listen to complaints about the sound and address it in a future patch so heres hoping. For now, I wont be using ninja in any of my setups.

On the , online multiplayer is still a bit of a joke. Stuttering throughout, with some servers possessing what I call UBER lag where the game runs in slow motion. Everyone experiences it so its fair, but it's bloody ridiculous.

And then there are some signs that show that this game is lacking some real polish. Bugs like the game somehow forgetting that I already bought 7 layers to edit my playcard (w/e it's called) and now if I want to edit it, I need to buy them again along with anything else that I used. The game still refuses to record my matches. Annoying. And then little things like the images for perks being horribly stretched at times as if the image was originally way too small, and the exp bar overfilling to the point where its telling me i need -6400 points to level.

All that said, I still plan on playing as much of it as I can these coming few days. The maps are class. Much better than MW2. I think it has really changed the way some people are playing. And some of the killstreaks are genius like that dogs. Really want to get that in a care package drop soon.

And haven't touched single player. Not sure I will as I never did in MW2, and haven't played a COD before that. These days, FPS games are all about the online multiplayer for me.

[Caris]

So it's not back up to CoD4 quality?

Defiantly not.

[McPhee]

The campaign in this game is ass. Boring, frustrating, confusing, badly designed levels with a heapful of bad AI on top just for good measure. The game also forces you t run and gun way too often, with some sections being impossible to get past without a kamikaze run at the enemy. CBA to play any more tonight. Might go back to it in the morning, might just trade it in for New Vegas. Can't decide.

I'd give it maybe a 6/10 so far. It's a decent looking game and I'm intrigued to see how this story is going to end. Still the worst FPS I've played all year though. Roll on Bad Company 2: Vietnam!

I wonder how much all of those 90% plus reviews cost Activision? Or did reviewers get sent a different game?

[Oxigen_Waste]

story and characters are less compelling, the action is more straightforward. I'm only a couple of levels so I may change my mind but I'm really not feeling this yet.

Then it must be terrible, 'coz the singleplayer portion of MW2 was pretty mediocre.

Why are people giving a shit about the campaign? Every Cod campaign has been tremendously average slash boring.

4 is one of the best singleplayer action FPS games ever made. And the russian campaign on WaW is also quite brilliant, to say the least (although I really hated the US campaign on that one). 3 and MW2 campaigns do indeed fall short.

EDIT:

Holy fucking shit... I just unlocked the AK47 (38). You know how it's always been a great gun, both in MW and MW2? Well, it just got even better. Dear lord, I do believe I'm in love.
Only 12 more levels to go and I can stop playing on Headquarters and shit for exp and focus on playing right. Hells yeah!

[Emerald Emblem]

I started the campaign, it's alright, I'm going in on hardened, died 3 times during the first part of the campaign, online I struggle to even out on my K/D spread, so I decided I'd aim for that rather then score as high as possible.

[Shorty]

Shorty; what do you think about the online side of things? That's pretty much the only potential reason why I'd get Blops (props to whoever came up with that name!)... but the mixed reviews make me think I will just wait 6-9 months and get it for half the price.
Aesthetically it's worse than MW2. There are some nice tweaks, but also some unbalanced weapons (flamethrower? wtf.) and the spawning is fucking terrible. Also the maps aren't very interesting and all seem to have the same "dark grey" base palette.

After playing CoD:BO, I feel like putting MW2 back in to remind myself how much more polished the series can be.

[Ganepark32]

the spawning is fucking terrible.

The map Nuketown is a perfect example of this. Because there's only two real spawn areas that can be used due to the size and nature of the map forcing confrontation, many times you'll spawn on one side and have enemy character either right on you or virtually spawning a couple of metres away.

Saying that though, I do think Nuketown is the best of what's available map-wise so far. But then, the rest of the map selection that I've managed to see hasn't been particularly great. As bored as I got with MW2, it definitely has better maps so far for online.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Sounds like I'll give this a miss! I'll probably nip back to MW2 if I'm up late tonight and get my ass handed to me as I iron out some creases.

I was really looking forward to the whole currency/contracts system, but it sounds like that's being overshadowed by a game that was clearly rushed to meet its release date. Major patch to hit before xmas, if there's justice in teh world!

[Murr]

What's the difficulty like then on veteran?

MW2 Veteran was significantly easier then MW and W@W Veteran so just wondering where this stands.

[MadDog]

I first played the MW2 campaign on hardened, I've also started at the same level on Blops.

I'd say Blops was harder.

[Shorty]

It occurred to me a while back that if you go for 100% achievements/platinum trophy, there's rarely any point in playing the medium-hard difficulty (hardened, heroic etc). The game is typically more frustrating than it would be on Normal, and if you're going to play on Veteran/Legendary/Insanity/God Mode etc. later you'll usually get all the achievements for the difficulty below anyway.

[Choze]

You need to play to unlock Veteran.

So far I like the game. My main issue is the general roughness that IW avoid. The other issue is 1 year is a bit soon? Online feels like an expansion rather than a sequel in many ways. Dont care about the single player side of fps anyway. This one is the same as the others. Weak single player gameplay but great scripted sequences.

[Wesley]

Black Ops Opening Day Crushes Avatar, Halo And Everything Else

About 5.6 million people bought copies of Call of Duty: Black Ops in North America and the United Kingdom on Tuesday, when the game went on sale.

That makes it the largest entertainment launch in history. And Black Ops is not just a popular game. It's a very popular game. More popular than Modern Warfare 2 was one year ago, its creators said today.

Activision executive Thomas Tippl told an audience of investors in New York that Black Ops has sold $360 million worth of copies in its first 24 hours of release in North America and the U.K. this week, compared to $310 million in the first day of release for Modern Warfare 2 a year ago. Modern Warfare 2 sold a mere 4.7 million copies.

http://kotaku.com/5687361/black-ops-opening-day-crushes-avatar-halo-and-everything-else

Good for them!

[dwarf gourami]

Incorrect. I heard they actually only sold 13 copies.
It says so on a forum I frequent, one you also visit a lot too.

So check your statements before posting them as fact.

[ReZourceman]

(Genuine lol win)

[Dyson]

Surprised to see so much negativity for this game, I for one am really enjoying it. It feels like a lot more care and attention has gone in to this game than Modern Warfare 2 and Treyarch have tried and succeeded at showing how good FPS games can be. I loved the story for the campaign and thought it was fresh enough throughout to stop me getting bored and the online system is as good as it ever was. Really, if you enjoyed MW2, you're going to enjoy Blops.

Or so I reckon, anyway!

[MadDog]

I really like the multiplayer, much better than MW2, imo. Feels fairer and more balanced, and the maps are better. On the singleplayer campaign, i have to admit, after the first 5 missions, it's quite boring...it's a case of been there done that. Shoot loads of never ending spawning enemies/shoot with mounted machine gun. In MW2, i actually enjoyed the singleplayer. The story was so over the top, and kinda crap, but it was enjoyable.

IMO, regarding singleplayer: MW2 >> Blops
multiplayer: Blops >> MW2

[Oxigen_Waste]

online I struggle to even out on my K/D spread, so I decided I'd aim for that rather then score as high as possible.
Until I hit 50, all I care about is scoring high. When I hit 50, I concentrate on playing good. Meaning that my K/D ratio is now sitting at 0.6 or sumthin. Ah!

Aesthetically it's worse than MW2. There are some nice tweaks, but also some unbalanced weapons (flamethrower? wtf.) and the spawning is fucking terrible. Also the maps aren't very interesting and all seem to have the same "dark grey" base palette.

After playing CoD:BO, I feel like putting MW2 back in to remind myself how much more polished the series can be.

I know what you mean with asthetically, it does that lack that "something" that IW can give it's games... As for unbalanced weapons, I don't really think that's true... and if there are one or two, well then, it's better than 18 overpowered weapons like in MW2. I don't see how the spawning is any different from any other COD game... plus, if you're that unhappy about it, there's always the tactical insertion (which no longer means you'll be without grenades, mind).

The maps are twice as good as MW2, don't give me that bullshit (and the "dark grey" and brown palette is pretty much a standard for all COD games, you biased gentleman, you).

:D

But it does "feel" weird.

[Ryan]

I'm honestly thinking of rebuying MW2 and World at War after quickly selling Black Ops. I'm not really feeling it, I've had more fun on the past two..

[Deathjam]

I don't see how the spawning is any different from any other COD game... plus, if you're that unhappy about it, there's always the tactical insertion (which no longer means you'll be without grenades, mind).

The maps are twice as good as MW2, don't give me that bullshit (and the "dark grey" and brown palette is pretty much a standard for all COD games, you biased gentleman, you).

:D

But it does "feel" weird.

Absolute stroke of genius! Will have to remember to set this up on one of my setups.

[Hero-of-Time]

You need to play to unlock Veteran.

Not true. My mate played through it on Veteran first time through.

What's the difficulty like then on veteran?

MW2 Veteran was significantly easier then MW and W@W Veteran so just wondering where this stands.

I just finished on Veteran today and I would say it lands in the middle on MW2 and WaW in terms of difficulty level. The first few levels are a little tough due to the return of respawning enemies but as the game progress there are less of these and you will start to breeze through it. The 2nd half is much easier than the 1st.

[Sexual Chocolate]

Loving it online,think it's better than MW2 and maybe on a par with COD4, the kill streaks don't seem way over powered and a genuinely fun. The RC Car isn't as much of an ass a people made out, just shoot it. eh.

The wager matches are a right treat, Sticks and Stone's is so much fun just going round with ballistic knives and crossbow, so gutting when someone hit's you with a tomahawk and you go back to 0 :( It ensures someone is always changing at the top of the leaderboard.

As for the guns it's good to see sway has returned to them making sure you control your guns better and the decoy grenade that makes gun noise his hilarious, I get caught out by them all the time and go look at the map for the orange dot then get shot in the back :(

I LOVE IT.

Oh what happened the the care package bug, not seen anyone use it yet.....

[Charlie]

Loving it online,think it's better than MW2 and maybe on a par with COD4, the kill streaks don't seem way over powered and a genuinely fun. The RC Car isn't as much of an ass a people made out, just shoot it. eh.

The wager matches are a right treat, Sticks and Stone's is so much fun just going round with ballistic knives and crossbow, so gutting when someone hit's you with a tomahawk and you go back to 0 :( It ensures someone is always changing at the top of the leaderboard.

As for the guns it's good to see sway has returned to them making sure you control your guns better and the decoy grenade that makes gun noise his hilarious, I get caught out by them all the time and go look at the map for the orange dot then get shot in the back :(

I LOVE IT.

Oh what happened the the care package bug, not seen anyone use it yet.....

I had great fun on Sticks and Stone's earlier. Was in a great game with a couple of English lads and we were having a good laugh about it. Lots of swear words being thrown about which makes it even more enjoyable. Gotta love it when someone gets humiliated in the dying seconds of a game!

[Dyson]

I won a Sticks and Stones game last night thanks to a Tomahawk in the last 5 seconds - epic :D

[Emerald Emblem]

Respawning enemies are a pain in the ass, nearly threw my pad in frustration, escaping through the tunnels after blowing up the shuttle, I get trapped in one of the corridors and kept dying because I'd get the last guy and a few more would show up almost right away. I'm only on hardened, though I am a COD noob.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Regarding Wager matches, I really think there should be 4 tiers... One with a 100 buy in is really missing... 10 is just ridiculous.