Sony will once again rule the gaming world (even before the PS3 has come out!)

[Anakenobi]

It's pretty much official that Sony is going to win the next console wars even before it even launches it's system. And I speak as a Nintendo fan here.

The reason that I say this is because of these two major factors:

1).- Nintendo with Revolution is going on a different road. This means that it will not even be a rival for the other consoles. Nintendo itself said that the Revolution will be marketed as a companion system for the other consoles. So Sony doesn't have to worry about Nintendo's Revolution (not that they even came close to that).

2).- The Xbox 360 is practically a disaster. Look around, read the news. MicroSoft's system is getting a ton of bad press. And what makes it worse, a lot of the complaints and criticism is coming from buyers who own the machine. They say it's too big and too loud. That it overheats and that it crashes in mid game. And then the games themselves are nothing innovative. Same old stuff with HD graphics. In short, read Matt Casamassina's article on the Xbox 360 (visit cube.ign.com to read it). On top of all that, reuters reported that MS is once again selling their game system waay below what it really costs to make it. So this machine could actually be their last if they don't move fast to fix all this bad press and first impressions. I believe MS reproted that they lost millions and millions on the Xbox and that was ok since it was part of the plan. To build a user base. And I dunno if they can pull that again. Losing money with a system so full of glitches and stuff.


Now, since Nintendo is a non-factor for Sony (not only because Revolution won't directly compete with the PS3, but because MOST casual gamers will NOT play on a Nintendo console, and that's a fact some can't seem to digest) and the Xbox 360 seems to presently be going down in flames, it seems to me that Sony's PS3 has it made.

It really does! Sony has done it again.

I was secretly hoping that this next generation of consoles someone other than Sony would be #1.

Because with Sony the videogame market is going nowhere. Sony is more interested in pushing it's own technology (cd's on the PS1, DVD' on the PS2 and now blue ray on the PS3) than anything else.

They have expanded the gaming market to reach people that shouldn't be playing videogames in the first place. Making it a life style for many a million causal gamers (you seen cribs on MTV? you see every rapper show off their big screen tv with bose speakers, tivo, DVD/CD players AND YES, a PS2. They're not very good at playing the darn machine, but hey it's all part of being in the cool crowd to have a PS2, no?) .

And it affects me in that currenlty game developers cater to that insipid crowd. Making the same games over and over again to please their tastes and wants. Make another killing game? sure why not! Most gamers buy western type games anyway (violence galore) and since the japanese gaming market is on the down side, I expect this trend of more of the same junk coming for the next gaming generation as well. :hmm:

Anyhoo, I only truly desired for a freakin' change. And it seems to me that that change won't come for another 4 or 5 years when the next generation of consoles comes. And by then, who knows if Nintendo will be a software only company.

Sony will once again rule the world! (Empire Strikes Back theme in the background)

Here's hoping the Revolution delivers us from EVIL! (well at least from boredom! :D )

[dZION]

Hmmm...

You forgot to include the "consumer retardness factor".

Seriously, M$ hopes to sell around 3 million consoles in the first 90 days. They haven't lowered that statement yet and why should they? People are dumb enough. If they want one they will get one, no matter what.

We are guilty of this as well, we only lucked out for choosing nintendo. I have yet to have a nintendo console fail on me (except that gameboy I dropped in the bathtub).

[Caris]

Now old on here soldier, The PS2 had the same problems on launch, i had 4 PS2's in the first 2 month of owning one they kept breaking, to be fiar sony done a good job and replacing them, but Microsoft is in the same shoes they will have this problem all sorted out in a month or 2, miles before the PS3 has launched. and you talk about bad press? the PS3 is getting slated everywere, "no major online service" "blue ray disks register to your machine", and Sony have said there NOT changing the controller or Machine...

And 360 games arnt inotive? its bloodey launch? It has the "best launch line of up all time" and its been out 2 weeks? were waiting for Halo 3, Gears of War, Resi 5, Final Fantasy 11.

Think before you make a thread like this...

[Anakenobi]

Caris, you poor soul... you did know that you have the option and liberty of not having to read that which does not pleases you, right?

Because regardless if threads like this give you the hot vapors, violent bowel movements and ulcers, I will do as I please and continue on with such topics.

Now, please understand that I can offer opinions and you can do the same. Especially
on this subject here on this topic.

Anyhoo, on to your comments.... any old playstation user has gone though several versions of PS1 and PS2. We're used to that in a way (I also had to buy several PS1's and more than 1 PS2). And Sony is all to pleased to cater to our needs by making less buggy versions of it's machine so we can upgrade them to infinitum. It never ends.

But those days are over, soldier... these new machines aren't exactly cheap. The Xbox 360 is already selling waaay below production costs. So don't expect that price to go down any time soon. And the PS3 is set to cost at least above the mid 400 pound/dollar price (500 is more like it) per unit.

Those days are waaay over. So the comparison with the PS2 and the Xbox 360 is not a good one. Not anybody has the cash to replace new gen machines like the good old days.

In any case, just take opinions with a grain of salt and don't get the vapors, buddy. Your health is more important. ;)

[Hellfire]

I thought an analyst joined r-e. Anyway, here's the deal: the market is totally unpredictable. Remember when Sony joined the battle with Playstation? No one was expecting it to be as successful as it was. OK, now XBOX360, sure it has a lot of problems, then again, Sony takes the prize in products with horrible quality, specially with PS2. Another thing about 360, the public perception has about XBOX has been changing in the past few months, people think it was a sucess and that it beat the crap out of GC. Microsoft has used lots of trojan tatics and XBOX is everywhere in USA: movies, sports, books,... Also, 360 has more support and a lot of time on its own to gain some ground. About losing money with each console, Sony does this too.
And you're taking the "not competing" subject the wrong way. Sure, Nintendo might say that, sure, it offers different possibilities, but in the end they're competing for the same wallets. On the other hand, Revolution, like DS also appeals to different audiences. With that, you can say that theoretically Nintendo is appealing to a wider public than Microsoft and PS3. Now let's add that to the bad image PS3 is gaining among the gaming community: high prices, no online, stupid blu ray and boomerang controller. Things are not so linear as you think, but Sony does have the lead as far as image goes, so it's not like they're doomed or anything.
Oh and Caris, it doesn't make a difference if it's been 2 weeks or not after launch, because the launch line up is there from day one :P

[Pit-Jr]

Sony will be sittin pretty as usual but not with the iron fist it had this generation. They just better hope Samsung doesnt release a home console ;)

[demonmike04]

Playstation is the brand name, any one will be it relentless of how much it costs. I totally agree with Anakenobi, but I still think 360 has a fighting chance of winning this war. Nintendo will not be apart of it, so theres no need to go there.

Playstation has a huge fanbase, and as long as it has that, its the winner. It has the games, the developers (The big ones, the small ones have pulled their support) and it will no doubt have the trend games on there.

Face it, Sony has its fans, it will lose some, but not most of them. Its too big the Playstation (Literally and figure of speech), its the must-have for any one who wants the cool factor.

[dukkadukka]

one more addition to my ignore list then...

[Caris]

Roger to that...

[Hero-of-Time]

Playstation is the brand name, any one will be it relentless of how much it costs. I totally agree with Anakenobi, but I still think 360 has a fighting chance of winning this war. Nintendo will not be apart of it, so theres no need to go there.

Playstation has a huge fanbase, and as long as it has that, its the winner. It has the games, the developers (The big ones, the small ones have pulled their support) and it will no doubt have the trend games on there.

Face it, Sony has its fans, it will lose some, but not most of them. Its too big the Playstation (Literally and figure of speech), its the must-have for any one who wants the cool factor.

Not that I really want to get involved in an argument here but the same thing was said about Nintendo during the NES and SNES era. Those machines were the in thing and Nintendo was a household name with all major and non-major developers supporting them. Fast forward a 10 years and its all changed partly because of the arrogance on Nintendo behalf which Sony seem now more than ever to be copying.

No-one can predict whats going to happen in the future purely because anything can happen.

[Hellfire]

Not that I really want to get involved in an argument here but the same thing was said about Nintendo during the NES and SNES era. Those machines were the in thing and Nintendo was a household name with all major and non-major developers supporting them. Fast forward a 10 years and its all changed partly because of the arrogance on Nintendo behalf which Sony seem now more than ever to be copying.

No-one can predict whats going to happen in the future purely because anything can happen.
My thoughts exactly and don't forget that small developers don't have a chance to make games for PS3, because they need a HUGE investment in order to do it.
Bottom line is that Sony has a lot of fans, but that doesn't guarantee them anything.

[Mundi]

It´s like everyone except me has a crystal ball that show´s the future except me based on what many people are saying.
Guessing won´t always give right answers every student know´s that :P

[Adrian DX]

What makes you think that Nintendo won't be a part of the next gen console wars? It is a video-game console... is it because its gonna be cheaper and 10.000 times better than X360 and PS3? Or maybe its because Nintendo is thinking new and not the same old crap with better graphics? As long as it is in the videogame stores along with the PS3 and X360 it will be a part of the console wars... Nintendo was the only one that came out of this generation of videogame consoles that made any money on it. I think people are just scared of the awsome power of Nintendo!!! :D

[1UP]

Stupid sony propaganda....
Here are some alternative interpretations for your cognitive pleasure:

1. Only a few days before Microsoft’s 360 launch, Sony says: “Hey, we still make game consoles. Give us our due.” Free publicity is always nice.
2. ”Look, Sony isn’t going anywhere. We are the leaders, and it will stay that way. You want the best games, buy PlayStation.”
3. ”If you want the best gaming technology, we got you covered for the next decade.”
4. ”Let’s start a repeat of the insanely successful PS2 hype machine. Why not now?”

What do you think? Which manufacturer do you feel holds the marketing advantage this time around?

[kellett03]

it is going to be a very different generation this time in terms of sales. mircosoft could be well fix all the techo trouble it has. and sony could very well bomb. the games on the revo could just be next to nothing. we will not know till it s over and it just starting so forget about the finish line

[spirited away]

correct me if im wrong but didnt Microsoft recently state that they were
3 billion in debt from the Xbox reagrding the Xo5 show

[quich_delvyn]

i think with the 360 being what it is the rev has good chance of being 2nd with lots of 3rd parties loving it (japanese ones which 360 doesnt have) and the fact it is a true revolution it will do realy well

[Link]

And 360 games arnt inotive? its bloodey launch? It has the "best launch line of up all time" ...

You are such a fanboy...it's not even funny. Best launch of all time? Most of the games at launch were ports....The exclusives got pretty bad reviews. Check out IGN. I really don't think you know what you're talking about. I think this is what the original poster meant. Some people are such fanboys that they are blinded when it comes to the shortcomings of microsoft....Have fun paying more money for the same game with slightly better graphics...great fun!!!!!

[Caris]

You are such a fanboy...it's not even funny. Best launch of all time? Most of the games at launch were ports....The exclusives got pretty bad reviews. Check out IGN. I really don't think you know what you're talking about. I think this is what the original poster meant. Some people are such fanboys that they are blinded when it comes to the shortcomings of microsoft....Have fun paying more money for the same game with slightly better graphics...great fun!!!!!

No i do no what im talking about and your right its not funny, its not bloodey ment to be, it is one of the best launchs of all time. Ports? so fuck, COD2,Quake 4 there amazing games?, and exlusives got bad reviews?
PGR3 - 8-10's
Kameo - 8-9's
PDZ - 8-9's

but yea suppose 8 out of 10 is crap really...

and more money for better graphics? yes in a way, but then think of what else your paying for, wireless Pads, Guide Feature, NewXbox Live.

Dont be so narrow minded.

and before anyone says a thing, Microsoft arnt my Fav make, Nintedo are.

[Jamba]

Cmon though Caris...

You mention some good points about the new stuff you get with the 360 but is that really worth all the money you are forking out for it? They should just keep making current gen games, update xbox live and release some wireless and slightly better designed pads. Next gen is waaay too soon.

[Maverick]

As i have said before ...

It is pretty obvious that the revolution isn't going to totally destroy the playstation no way it has something called an established fanbase.

Nintendo has one as well but there is a game called grand theft auto which no matter what the price is, is going to make people flock like sheep to pick up a playstation for this "killer app".

I have a positive feeling that the 360 is going to be the dreamcast of this generation, nintendo's revolution is going to be a big hit i am sure, the controller has made so many people i know excited, esspecially me since i was going to stop playing computer games.

Nintendo are still going to reap the profits because they are the smartest console manufacturer (look at sega, amiga, atari the list is on going) but i still have a feeling that playstation will be like the 50 cent (mainstream) champion of the casual gamer (just wait for pro 6 and gran turismo ? whatever come out) not everyone can buy more than one console and with playstations price thats going to be even harder.

Can nintendo tarnish the so called kiddy image? will its controller be copied and destroyed? will it even be a failure?

Only time will tell but i know one thing i know for sure it feels good to be a nintendo fan. :grin:

[Smalldude76]

Cmon though Caris...

You mention some good points about the new stuff you get with the 360 but is that really worth all the money you are forking out for it? They should just keep making current gen games, update xbox live and release some wireless and slightly better designed pads. Next gen is waaay too soon.

I'd have to go with Caris on this one. Updating the Live service and everything else would just give people less reason to buy xboxes when the PS3 and revolution were there. It'd be like Saturn vs PS1 and N64. I'm certainly buying an xbox360 upon a pricecut, Halo3, and once the bugs are fixed. I'd find it worth it as Microsoft is a growing cause in the gaming industry.

The way I see it is moreso of a repeat in history between Nintendo and Sony. Nintendo's first two consoles were widely successful as were Sony's. Upon the third, their ego's were enormous and everything that had made them what they were was gone. Nintendo felt a huge blow in third party support with the N64 and Sony will probably experience the same only not on the same level. I doubt that any company will go down this time as Nintendo's handhelds are going strong, Microsoft's software is pretty much a monopoly, and Sony's shareholders seem to be afraid to let the giant go down. I feel that this will be the most even market we've seen for awhile although it is entirely unpredictable - the Revolution could be a complete failure like VB, Sony's shareholders do let the company fall, or an unknown contender conflicts the Revolution and PS3 launches. Anything can happen this time around although I feel that Microsoft will have the majority of the market this time due to the success of the Xbox.


(Dont go on about the GameCube launch [Wont even mention the PS2 launch, terrible], it wasnt that good, Rogue Leader scored an avg. ratio of 89.6%, Wave Race: BS 82.8%, Luigi's Mansion 82.8%, thats all it offered)

You've forgotten Smash Bros. Melee (the Cube's best-seller) and Pikmin. I agree with what you said though.

[killer kirby]

shouldn't this tread be in the other consoles.

[1UP]

You've forgotten Smash Bros. Melee (the Cube's best-seller) and Pikmin. I agree with what you said though.

SSMBM didn't come out on launch, it came out like a month later.

[Haver]

Where are these new fucking mods?

[DiemetriX]

shouldn't this tread be in the other consoles.

Yes it should. [Moved]


Oh and i find what you say a bag of rubish. Sony wil lose it market share. 360 is an awsome machine. All the games that are out are rushed for launch. And they are all good. The games are only using 1 of the 360s 3cores.

Revolution wil also steal sony market share. Any way you look at it's a game console.

PS3 wil be to expensive for the avrage gamer. And although it wil be good. I cant se PS3 outselling the 360 that will cost half the price.

[rokhed00]

Did Choze change his user name/get a new account?

[LazyBoy]

You know when people ask me who will win the next-gen war you're asking two questions.

1. Who will sell the most units?

-and-

2. Who will generate the most profit?

Firstly I must say that I disagree with the original post. I believe that Microsoft will sell the most units. It's true that it hasn't got off to the best start, due to console shortage and a launch line-up that lacks a killer-app (though in my opinion still a decent bunch of games). Funnily enough though this is exactly reminiscant of the PS2 launch, and like the PS2 the XBox 360 has time on its side.

I'm also a believer in the thrid-itch launch theory, that with a third console a company becomes overly arrogant and loses large amounts of market share. I see this as the fate for the PS3. In my opinion the only thing the PS3 has is Metal Gear, and the casual gamers market, which could easily be taken away from them by microsoft.

Finally Nintendo will generate the most profit. The revolution will own the Japanese market. The success of inovation can be seen in the DS. The minimalist apple-esque look will by a major attraction to the space-saving Japanese, and the fact that they're retro lovers makes the download service pure gold. As for the West the Revolution will come second or third, depending on how big that devoted playstation fanbase is.

This is purely my opinion, though ofcourse i'm open to a little well constructed criticism.

[Smalldude76]

SSMBM didn't come out on launch, it came out like a month later.
mm..sorry, thought they had the same ones over there if not more.

[BeerMonkey]

poor MS i WAS going to get a 360 for xmas but not going to now as on xmas i may find it breaks etc like it says in the press etc :( dont want that risk tbh

rev CAN do it but will take some very clever/good advertising and some amazing launch titles etc. But then again the mainsteam will think ooo nintendo is gay...kiddy console etc without a thought for that games/pad and will get a PS3 just cause there mates are and theres "fifa 07" etc on it :S

[Choze]

Its obvious that Sony will win but fanboys take things to the extreme. As in its all or nothing. This time orund MS and Sony are going try and steal soem of the ex gamecube audience for their own growth so i expect both to gain at Nintendo's expense.

[Haver]

will get a PS3 just cause there mates are and theres "fifa 07" etc on it :S

None of my friends own FIFA, but instead own Kingdom Hearts and Resident Evil 4 and Final Fantasy and Baldur's Gate and Time Crisis and things like that. The PS2 is a pretty good console for the 'hardcore', and I really do hesitate to use that word.

[DiemetriX]

10 Reasons Not to Buy The PS3


1. No Live! In fact, sony came out and recently announced that they're not even going to bother to build an answer to Xbox Live.

Sony, you can keep your ability to plug in 7 controllers. I'll take being able to play with 63 other players on live in a fps over 7 controllers any day of the week.

2. The 36.5 megabits per second blu ray drive that Sony is squeezing into the PS3.

The BD-Rom drive that's going to be used in the PS3 has a speed of 36.5 MBits per second. 36.5megaBITS per second, not megaBYTES. 8bits=1byte=4.5megaBYTES per second. http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

This is because the technology for the drives will still be in it's infancy when the ps3 is being launched.

That means in order to fill the 256MB cache (to load a decent sized race on GT4 let's say) will take about 56 seconds of waiting.

To fill the same 256MB cache on the xbox 360's 12x DVD drive read at 15.75MB/s (megabytes) = 15 seconds

I know you know your math.

If you want an idea of how long a minute is, try staring at a clock for a minute and see how bored you get.

I'm not going to stand for huge loading times next gen as well. Long load times are meant to be a thing of the past. But Sony is making sure that's not the case by insisting on using Blu Ray drives when the technology (and their read speeds) are still so early.

On top of this, Playstation 3 Blu Ray drive will cost Gamers $100+ per console. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25901

And within 1 year, once blu-ray movies actually start coming out, the same $100 would probably buy you a far faster 4x or 8x blu-ray player that functions a lot better (compare watching dvds on a standalone player vs. on the original ps2). And do you really think that, if blu-ray does come out on top, that the 360 won't release with a version that can play bluray versions as well? Legally, as long as MS pays the same small fees that other blu ray player manufacterers pay to use sony's tech, Sony can't stop MS from putting blu ray drives in their 360s. And by then, the drives will likely be a lot cheaper, and a lot faster than the once found on the launch PS3s.

3. Opting for 8 USB ports and multiple memory card readers over a HDD.

There's no reason to put in like 8 usb ports and all these freaking memory card reader and all these other ports that no one wants. We can buy a memory card adapter if we want.

We don't need 3 ethernet ports, one will be more than plenty. JUST INCLUDE 4 USB 2.O PORTS, 1 ETHERNET PORT, SUPPORT FOR SONY MEMORY STICK DUOS (since that's what psp uses and that's what makes Sony the most money) AND THE STUFF TO CONNECT TO ANALOG AND HDTVS.

USE THE MANUFACTURING COSTS YOU SAVE TO THROW IN A CHEAP 5GB HDD so developers can make games like Blinx or FFXI or use the HDD to reduce load times and stuff.

IF A SMALL HDD IS INCLUDED IN EVERY SYSTEM, EVERY DEVELOPER WILL USE IT TO REDUCE LOAD TIMES. Don't you guys want developers to use the hdd to reduce loadtimes, to make games like FFXI that require a HDD? wouldn't that be better than a bunch of useless ports that no one will use that you can just buy an adapter for if you really need?

SELL THE ADAPTER TO CONNECT OLD PS2 AND PS1 GAMES SEPERATELY FOR LIKE $10 AND YOU'LL MAKE ENOUGH TO COMPENSATE FOR THE HDD. Once we transfer all our old saves over to the HDD, we can just sell it on ebay or something and it's one less ugly port we have to look at.

HDD = Custom soundtracks, downloadable content, FFXI style mmorpgs, faster load times.

Multiple seperate Memory Card Readers Built in = Worthless

4. Sony disabling the ability to have LAN parties (without getting wired controllers) by insisting on using bluetooth controllers over Infrared ones.

"Bain admitted that the wireless signal could be interfered with by another nearby PlayStation 3 console and in those instances where many consoles would be close by, such as at a LAN party, it would be necessary to default to using wired controllers"

5. The Cell.

Not only is the cell processor going to jack up the price of the PS3 quite a bit. It's greatly bottlenecked by the 512 MBs of L2 Cache (the 360 has twice that much L2 Cache).

For all the hype about the cell. Guess what, the processor means jack when it comes to gaming. 3 3.2 ghz cores vs. 1 3.2 ghz core and 7 PPEs mean nothing. What matters for gaming is the GPU. And most reports (anandtech etc.) state that the 360's graphics card is almost a generation more advanced. This makes sense, ATI built the card from the ground up with technology that won't make it's way into PC cards for atleast an year or so. The NVIDEA card in the PS3 is identical to the card as what'll be available for the PC in a month or two. The only thing that the cpu will actually matter for is the AI. And AI is more depenedent on L2 cache (this is what ultimately determines the number of simultanous algorithms you can run at any one time) than on processing speed. And guess what, the 360's has twice the L2 cache of the PS3's Cell!

6. No requirement to make developers use 720p.

People make the ps3s 1080i sound like it's going to be standard. All that sony said was the the PS3 supports aka. can theoretically output 1080i.

Guess what, the original xbox "supports" 720p (identical to how the ps3 will "support" 1080i).

Want to guess how many xbox games actually came out offering 720p? I'll give you one guess.

Want to take a guess how many ps3 games wil actually offer 1080i (Or the even more useless dual monitor output) esp. considering how much extra work it'll be to render everything at that resolution for two monitors - as if the PS3's measily 512 L2 Cache isn't already enough of a bottleneck?

The cool thing about the 360 is that all the games are required to support 720p, and considering that's a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher resolution than dvds, it's more than enough.

7. Accessible cost

Blu-ray wont be cheap! Cell won't be cheap! Odds are, when the PS3 finally does come out, MS will lower the price a bit and the PS3 will cost a small fortune by comparison. The discs cost a small fortune to manufacture, don't expect games under $70 atleast for an year or so, and if then you consider the development costs who knows!

8.The Games.

Well this one is kind of a toss up. The Xbox 360's Kameo, Enchant Arm, Perfect Dark (drool), RE5, Gears of War, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, FPS, Racers (Forza, PGR), DoA etc. vs. GTA 4 and whatever sequels Sony has planned. What is true is the the 360s gaming library will get a one year headstart, and the PS3's will probably take a long time to catch up, if ever.

9. The Design.

Well this is personal opinion too. But who came with the brilliant idea to model it after a building anyways? Fire them and make it look next gen. My old Atari Jaguar looks less crappy. YOU CALL THAT A NEXT GEN DESIGN!? There is really no symmetry to it at all. Put the drive in the middle, get rid of the weird ridges and make it actually look smooth in the front and back and well. Then you have a nextgen looking consoles.

IT REALLY WOULDN'T TAKE MANY ALTERATIONS TO MAKE THE CONSOLE LOOK AWESOME, GET RID OF THE RIDGES SO ITS LOOKS PERFECTLY SMOOTH ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK, MOVE THE CD TRAY TO THE MIDDLE TO MAKE THE CONSOLE SYMMETRICAL. IT WOULD LOOK AWESOME.

10. Developer Hell.

No one has any experience working with the Cell. 7 PPEs, seriously, you think any developer is going to have any idea how to utilize them? Just making a game that uses dual processors takes a 50% larger budget. Meanwhile, developers are already raving about how much easier Microsoft's standards and XNA development kits are making it to develop 360 games. And it's a heck of a lot cheaper to manufacture the discs too. Even small developers with just $100,000 can make their own game and sell it via Xbox Live marketplace.

And as already mentioned the L2 cache of the PS3's cell in miniscule. Most PC processors and the 360's processor have twice the cache. To make a processor with half the cache and expect it to be shared among 7 PPEs is just asking for developers to curse Sony day and night.

On top of all this, by the time the PS3 launches, developers will have had loads of experience of utilizing the 360. Expect the 2nd generation 360 games using much smaller budgets to blow the first generation PS3 games out of the water graphically.

(found on 360updates)

[critter171]

it dosent matter what nintendo says who they competing with. it is competing with sony and mircosoft end of discussing.

[Nevahom]

This takes me back to when i had doubts about the xbox lol.

M$ has the power and resources to weather anything thats thrown at it. plus i lost all faith in the playstation brand a long time ago, others may have too. The fanbase that it gained before should have grown up by now, thats why i think theres so much critisicm of anything in todays market. the comsumers of today have a higher expectation of things. everthing has pros and cons, these days though, there will always be someone who's prepared to burn their own eyes out when saying somethings crap.

But i wont be getting a ps3 lol :D