School Uniform Policies

[Cube]

Well...some stupid court case is on due to school uniform policies.

The entire point of school uniforms is to make everyone seem equal. Which is a good idea.

Until you get religious twats who complain about it - such as that recent schoolgirl who sued a school over them not letting her wear some religious wristband thing.

Where does this stop? Jedi is classed as an actual religion, therefore should schools allow people to wear Jedi costumes? If not, then surely that's discrimination.

Also, some people may have some items of jewellery that means a lot to them - something given to them by a dead relative, surely this is as important to them as religious items are to religious people?

I think it's awful that the court case was successful - it makes us look as bas as the American court system. Surely making religious people exempt from uniform rules is religious discrimination?

Your thoughts?

[Roostophe]

Your thoughts?

You do NOT want to know, believe me... :nono:

[Cube]

You do NOT want to know, believe me... :nono:

Now I want to know even more.

[nightwolf]

School uniform has always been the same, you've never been allowed to wear anything extra regardless. At least that is how it is around my area and nearby.

It's not only that but jewellery is a bad idea to wear anyway, in schools you learn physcial ed, a major no no for jewellery, cooking again not a good idea. Not to mention break time...have you seen how mad kids are these days when in the playground? One little trip and there goes your earrings and the ear with it.

The idea is to stop kids looking different, to stamp out bullying, giving kids the means to wear something else stops that whole theory.

We are just being too nice these days.

[Eddage]

It's all a joke, simple as that. You can't call them uniform's if they're now allowing different items to be exempt from the rules, goes against the definition of the word.

Although the point you raise about allowing people to wear Jedi robes is an awesome idea!

[Walfaeder]

The entire point of school uniforms is to make everyone seem equal. Which is a good idea.

Hmm. How so?

[Ramar]

The sad thing about the situation is that it doesn't just stop with school uniforms. This country is becoming more pathetic and politically correct by the day, and the slightest stand up against it is considered racism or some other crap.

Personally I have nothing against a religious piece of clothing or bracelet, but then again some people like to take the piss and use religion as a get out of jail free card.

[D_prOdigy]

You lost me at Jedi. Can we take lightsabres into a school?

(I might post something serious later :P)

[nightwolf]

Hmm. How so?

Bullying, is the most obvious one. Bullies have enough to pick on people about without picking on their appearance as well as.

:blank:

[Shino]

How could she win?! Aren't there ANY other (even religious) schools where she could go?

We don't have school uniforms over here.

[Android18a]

I think that religions should be catered for in uniforms. However, anything that applies to one person should to another, so if your faith dictated that you MUST wear a certain item, then the school uniform would allow that item, regardless of religion.

Although I also think guys should be allowed to wear skirts and makeup, so what do I know.

Uniforms are meant to look neat, and give a professional look to the school. That doesn't mean they have to be uncomfortable, restrictive and ban accessories. If a kid wants to wear a bracelet, turban, leather spiked choker or strawberry lipgloss, let them.

Honestly.

[Walfaeder]

Bullying, is the most obvious one. Bullies have enough to pick on people about without picking on their appearance as well as.

:blank:

Why not apply that logic to mainstream society then?

[ReZourceman]

Just do away with uniforms altogether, and make the children go to school in their underwear.

[Cube]

Just do away with uniforms altogether, and make the children go to school in their underwear.

We wouldn't be able to get you away from Primary schools if they did that.

[Noodleman]

Just do away with uniforms altogether, and make the children go to school in their underwear.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/WmV337/pedobear_seal.gif

[Ramar]

Just do away with uniforms altogether, and make the children go to school in their underwear.

Don't bring back those hellish thoughts of forgetting your PE Kit in Infant School!!

[Fierce_LiNk]

To be honest, I think people nowadays are a lot harder to please than they were 10 years ago. Everybody now has all this "I'VE GOT RIGHTS!" bullshit going on.

Girl not allowed to wear religious clothing - "Heeey, you can't discriminate against my religion!"

Girl wearing religious clothing - "Oi, Miss. Why is she allowed to wear that and we can't?"

It's a headache for everyone. I don't remember us having this problem when I went to school, and we had a lot of people who were Muslims and such there. My cousin always had her head covered in school, and nobody batted an eyelid, we just accepted it. Why has it suddenly become such a big deal?

[Eddage]

I think that religions should be catered for in uniforms. However, anything that applies to one person should to another, so if your faith dictated that you MUST wear a certain item, then the school uniform would allow that item, regardless of religion.

Although I also think guys should be allowed to wear skirts and makeup, so what do I know.

Uniforms are meant to look neat, and give a professional look to the school. That doesn't mean they have to be uncomfortable, restrictive and ban accessories. If a kid wants to wear a bracelet, turban, leather spiked choker or strawberry lipgloss, let them.

Honestly.

This reminds me of when I was in middle school. Some people were annoyed that the girls were allowed to wear trousers (or something to that extent) the teacher replied that it was fine for the boys to wear skirts if they so desired. The next day a couple of the boys came in wearing skirts and immediately got suspended!

[Raining_again]

Our school uniforms were very strict... blazer and shirt tie skirt etc. The knee length socks that took about 20 minutes to fold down in an EXACT way.. And having to wear three/four pairs to get them to sit right. Fun times.

And crippling yourself running for the bus in 4 inch platform shoes.. Those were the days XD

[nightwolf]

Why not apply that logic to mainstream society then?

I remember something a teacher once told me when I questioned them about school uniforms:

''it is to prepare you for years of wearing suits, get used to it'' It sounds about right to me.

I can't wear piercings and have crazy hair colour at work (apart from the odd exception) so why should you be allowed at school? At school you are there to learn, not to have popularity contests and pick who doesn't have the lastest nikes on his feet.

I can't say that I liked wearing school uniform, because let's face it I hated it and it was too damn expensive when I was growing too quickly at that time. But god knows it was certainly easier than having to pick an outfit every single day like you do at college.

[Wesley]

Until you get religious twats who complain about it

I was reading until this point.

[Gizmo]

Baa Baaa black ethnic minority sheep, have you any wool?

[Aimless]

Yes, sir or madam. Yes, sir or madam. Three bags full.

[Dante]

And one for the little boy
Who lives down the lane.

[Cube]

I was reading until this point.

What would you prefer me to say? I'm talking about the people who are twattish about their religion, not religious people as a whole.

[MoogleViper]

And one for the little boy
Who lives down the lane.

Or girl.


It's stupid. In shopping centres you can't wear a hood up or a hat. Yet they can wear a sack where you can only see their eyes. The can even cover their head on a passport photo. I'm not allowed to have my fringe below my eyebrows yet they can cover their head? It's a fucking joke. It's not even part of their religion anyway, nto that it should matter.

[Letty]

I personally have never had to wear a school uniform.

My primary school implemented one, but it was never compulsory.


Win!

[Strider]

''it is to prepare you for years of wearing suits, get used to it'' It sounds about right to me.

I was told that at school as well. Although i suppose suits look more styish.


It's stupid. In shopping centres you can't wear a hood up or a hat. Yet they can wear a sack where you can only see their eyes. The can even cover their head on a passport photo. I'm not allowed to have my fringe below my eyebrows yet they can cover their head? It's a fucking joke. It's not even part of their religion anyway, not that it should matter.

I agree with all of that.

[Jordan]

My high school was like... Nazi Germany in terms of uniforms. Even your HAIR had to be within guide lines, i'm not kidding. You couldn't untook your shirt, undo your top button on your shirt, undo your tie, take off your jumper sometimes...

It was a complete joke, it was as if outside of school we still had think about school.

[Raining_again]

My high school was like... Nazi Germany in terms of uniforms. Even your HAIR had to be within guide lines, i'm not kidding. You couldn't untook your shirt, undo your top button on your shirt, undo your tie, take off your jumper sometimes...

It was a complete joke, it was as if outside of school we still had think about school.

Sounds similar! Even our ties had to be a certain length, skirts an inch above the knee.... and blazers had to be worn at all times, despite the mega hot Septembers we used to get..

[Coolness Bears]

My high school was like... Nazi Germany in terms of uniforms. Even your HAIR had to be within guide lines, i'm not kidding. You couldn't untook your shirt, undo your top button on your shirt, undo your tie, take off your jumper sometimes...

It was a complete joke, it was as if outside of school we still had think about school.

This sounds exactly like my school. I had someone have a go at me as my tie was slightly askew and not in the centre of my collar. :shakehead

[Gizmo]

My primary school was a typical polo shirt / jumper combo, but never shirts/ties/blazers, and I never heard of anyone getting in trouble for hair.

My high school just gave a colour guide line, black/red/white, no logo's. I usually wore a black hoody and black jeans. In fact a couple of years ago my friend from England came up to stay for a week while they were on holiday and we weren't and he was amazed at what I got to wear.

We got a new head teacher who is a complete cunt now though. Like, S5's have to wear white shirts and school ties. But S6 can wear a white or a black shirt, and S1-4 just have the old normal rules. Wtf is that? I get the whole shirt thing, but why is it S6's can wear black ones but not S5? Black ones are so much easier, no worrying about dropping the tiniest amount of something and ruining it completely. And then the rest don't at all? What is the damn point?

[Paj!]

I've had it all my school life, and I think it's actually an ok idea. I don't like that they think they can dictate what your hair looks like though. That's always been the one thing my school and I have never seen eye-to-eye with.

[Raining_again]

I've had it all my school life, and I think it's actually an ok idea. I don't like that they think they can dictate what your hair looks like though. That's always been the one thing my school and I have never seen eye-to-eye with.

I kinda wish I had the whole hair dying thing going on when I was in school, that would have been so much fun.

They didn't let us have anything that was blonde/brown/red/black.

and piercings was a major no-no

[Paj!]

I kinda wish I had the whole hair dying thing going on when I was in school, that would have been so much fun.

They didn't let us have anything that was blonde/brown/red/black.

and piercings was a major no-no

My school is most likely fairly relaxed, especially to the 16+ age group. I was asked to cut it once at the start of last year, and I just stalled it for so long, they eventually forgot. They obviously got tired of asking me!

Also, a friend of mine has one of those scaffold things (I think I told you on MSN), and again, at the start of the year, she was told to keep her hair down at all times, but she wore a ponytail most of the year, and no one cared.

It in no way affects my education having crazy hair, and I doubt anyone elses. And if parents/potential parents of the school think it's vulgar or whatever, that's their problem (literally, something must be wrong with them), not mine!

[Raining_again]

My school is most likely fairly relaxed, especially to the 16+ age group. I was asked to cut it once at the start of last year, and I just stalled it for so long, they eventually forgot. They obviously got tired of asking me!

Also, a friend of mine has one of those scaffold things (I think I told you on MSN), and again, at the start of the year, she was told to keep her hair down at all times, but she wore a ponytail most of the year, and no one cared.

It in no way affects my education having crazy hair, and I doubt anyone elses. And if parents/potential parents of the school think it's vulgar or whatever, that's their problem (literally, something must be wrong with them), not mine!

Well this is true.. TBH most people in my school were too frightened to be "out there", due to the fact they would have been bullied to hell.

Maybe its discouraged due to the fact minors shouldn't really be getting piercings in the first place :heh:

[Goron_3]

I just read the news article about the sikh girl wearing the bangle, and well, i've been wearing it since i can remember and no teachers have ever told me off for wearing it, and my school is pretty strict tbh.

[Jonnas]

I went to a private school, and there was a time where they tried to implement school uniforms (during my 3rd or 4th grade).
Not only did it look bad, it was pretty useless, since it did not add prestige, nor did we ever have bullying issues there.

I was the only one of my class to not dress that uniform (mainly because it was never seriously enforced). After a while, they gave up on them (due to a change of power in the school), and I'm glad they did.


About the religious thing... Forbidding accessories is a bit extreme, no?

[CoolFunkMan]

Baa Baaa black ethnic minority sheep, have you any wool?

Yes, sir or madam. Yes, sir or madam. Three bags full.

No, it's got to be...

Baa Baa ethnic minority sheep, have you any material?
Yes sir or madam, yes sir or madam. Three containers full.

Might as well make it completely politically correct, right? :heh:

Political correctness is so stupid... :indeed:

[The fish]

I personally am in favour of the French system - everyone is totally equal, everyone is under the same rules. Secularism for the win!

My school failed to understand the concept of sexual discrimination being illegal. Guys couldn't have long hair, girls couldn't wear trousers.

Political correctness is so stupid... :indeed:

The politically correct term is "culturally sensitive". :indeed:

[Fierce_LiNk]

About the crazy hair: If it was something to do with the lengh of the hair, it could maybe become some sort of fire hazard during Science lessons? Especially if you're using the funky Bunsen Burners.

Remember I had a mate who got told that in school. :D

[Paj!]

About the crazy hair: If it was something to do with the lengh of the hair, it could maybe become some sort of fire hazard during Science lessons? Especially if you're using the funky Bunsen Burners.

Remember I had a mate who got told that in school. :D

My hair doesn't hang long, like Haggis, it was just all big and masses of it. That, and I don't do any sciences.

That was one of the reasons I thought they could use against me, but then, when I was using Bunsen burners and has big hair all over the place, I'm cautious enough that I'd shove it out of my eyes and behind my ears and stuff.

[Twozzok]

About the crazy hair: If it was something to do with the lengh of the hair, it could maybe become some sort of fire hazard during Science lessons? Especially if you're using the funky Bunsen Burners.

Remember I had a mate who got told that in school. :D

If I got told that by my school, I'd actually laugh in their face and point to all the girls.

[Iun]

My school was incredibly snooty. I grew my hai shoulder length at one time and I was told by our pro-feminist Cooking teacher that I looked "Ridiculous" she told the deputy head who told me plain and simple: cut it off. I pointed to a bunch of girls with almosty crew-cut and he simply said: Cut it off.

In hindsght, I could have had a major payday from the courts, it actually was quite hurtful the way the teachers actively excluded me from active lesson participation - no calling on me or making eye contact. But rules are rules, and if you don't like them here, go somewhere else.

[Dannyboy-the-Dane]

School uniforms are meant to prevent bullying. But bullies will just find something else to pick at. Of course, it's one less thing to be bullied about ...

One thing I never understood about school uniforms: Why do they have to be so excruciatingly ugly? I've seen school uniforms bordering on the ridiculous. Jedi robes would actually look more neutral.

I never understood the strictness, either. If the uniforms are there to prevent bullying, it wouldn't matter how the uniform's worn, would it? Whether you button the top button or not, everyone's got the same options. Also, would it hurt to get a more weather-friendly uniform that changes to match the seasons?

That being said, I hate it when people gets unfair privileges for unfair reasons, but I'm too tired to go into detail about it right now.

[Jav_NE]

Bullying, is the most obvious one. Bullies have enough to pick on people about without picking on their appearance as well as.

:blank:

Absolutely. Just look at mufty days (non-uniform) and you can see the mayhem it causes. All the kids who arn't as well off are exposed as they have to wear their cheap hand-me-downs or whatever they can, and they get picked on. It's awful.

School uniforms are necessary. As for the restrictions, well, i thought that was school-dependent. My school wasn't too bad, at least non of the girls really complained about the jewellery restrictions or skirt height so i dont think it was that bad. It doesn't really effect boys so i didn't notice.

[Slaggis]

My hair doesn't hang long, like Haggis, it was just all big and masses of it. That, and I don't do any sciences.

That was one of the reasons I thought they could use against me, but then, when I was using Bunsen burners and has big hair all over the place, I'm cautious enough that I'd shove it out of my eyes and behind my ears and stuff.

When I had long hair, they never once told me that. I didn't have to put it behind my ears whilst using bunsen burners because I, well, have the sense not to shove my head in the flame like most people do.

I do not understand why some people's schools refused to let boys have long hair, I think it's complete bollocks.

[Gizmo]

I don't get what it is that makes some people hate it so much. My friend's mum absolutely hates me just because I have long-ish hair (not even hanging down long, just a big fringe kinda thing. Like Jonny Greenwood's hair). He grew his hair to the same length as me and she basically forced him to shave it.

[Letty]

I think the whole no long hair on guys rule is bollocks.
Back in the day, most of the males in my year had long hair, because it was like, the cool thing to do! It was like, whoever had the longest hair was the alpha male. Not to mention there was a business studies teacher with shoulder length hair!

[Twozzok]

Not to mention there was a business studies teacher with shoulder length hair!

I think thats one of the reason our school didn't have the hair rule, our physics teacher had really long hair.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Or girl.


It's stupid. In shopping centres you can't wear a hood up or a hat. Yet they can wear a sack where you can only see their eyes. The can even cover their head on a passport photo. I'm not allowed to have my fringe below my eyebrows yet they can cover their head? It's a fucking joke. It's not even part of their religion anyway, nto that it should matter.

Citations needed! RE: passport photos and "not even part of their religion anyway" - as it is, really.

[MoogleViper]

Citations needed! RE: passport photos and "not even part of their religion anyway" - as it is, really.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/MoogleViper/passportrequirements-1.jpg

Do you think that's acceptable? 'cos I don't.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

You made it sound like their whole face was covered :P Yeah, that's acceptable. Why not? You can see exactly what they look like!

[MoogleViper]

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/MoogleViper/passportrequirements2.jpg

Because none of these are acceptable. And you can see what they look like much more than what she looks like.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

I'd disagree. If she's going to be wearing her shawl at the airport, which is more likely to happen than those three pictures, then what's the big deal? Seriously, it's not like she's wearing a gas mask or anything. if you just imagine that she has long, black hair then there's no difference is there?

[MoogleViper]

I'd disagree. If she's going to be wearing her shawl at the airport, which is more likely to happen than those three pictures, then what's the big deal? Seriously, it's not like she's wearing a gas mask or anything. if you just imagine that she has long, black hair then there's no difference is there?

But then you could say that the old lady is going to wear her hair like that at the airport, or the baby will have the dummy. It's a joke. They shouldn't be allowed to wear it in the airport anyway.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

You can't say that with as much certainty as you can about her outfit though. The baby's passport will last 5 years so they'll stop using the dummy. Hair isn't stable and not only grows but moves about thanks to sheer momentum alone!

Why shouldn't they be allowed to wear it in the airport?

[MoogleViper]

You can't say that with as much certainty as you can about her outfit though. The baby's passport will last 5 years so they'll stop using the dummy. Hair isn't stable and not only grows but moves about thanks to sheer momentum alone!

Why shouldn't they be allowed to wear it in the airport?

Because you can't see who they are. You can't wear a hat or sunglasses when they are IDing you so why should you be able to wear that?

[Slaggis]

Because you can't see who they are. You can't wear a hat or sunglasses when they are IDing you so why should you be able to wear that?

Because that would be covering your face. What she is wearing is covering her hair, her entire face is in open view.

[MoogleViper]

Because that would be covering your face. What she is wearing is covering her hair, her entire face is in open view.

But a hoody wouldn't cover your face. And you can't wear that.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

dude, this is getting silly. How can you not see who they are? Their face is right there! *points* They're a hell of a lot more likely to look exactly like their picture! It's like they're wearing a frame around their face. All taht's covered is, what, ears and hair? They still have the eyes, nose and mouth, and they're surely considered the essential parts to IDing a person, hence no sunglasses.

But a hoodie would produce a different image to that of your passport :P You don't have to wear a hoodie - they have to wear that.

[Jonnas]

Unnecessary accessories are forbidden in IDs, and of course we can understand that.

That woman is wearing a obligatory piece of clothing. It's not an unnecessary accessory she'll only use sometimes. She's going to wear it at all times. And you can still see her face.

[King_V]

I was reading until this point.

Same. Your post is flawed due to that unneutral, irrelevant comment. :/

[MoogleViper]

dude, this is getting silly. How can you not see who they are? Their face is right there! *points* They're a hell of a lot more likely to look exactly like their picture! It's like they're wearing a frame around their face. All taht's covered is, what, ears and hair? They still have the eyes, nose and mouth, and they're surely considered the essential parts to IDing a person, hence no sunglasses.

But a hoodie would produce a different image to that of your passport :P You don't have to wear a hoodie - they have to wear that.

Unnecessary accessories are forbidden in IDs, and of course we can understand that.

That woman is wearing a obligatory piece of clothing. It's not an unnecessary accessory she'll only use sometimes. She's going to wear it at all times. And you can still see her face.

She doesn't have to wear it. It's not obligatory. Religion should not grant anybody any special treatment. You can't see her face shape in that photo. There are plenty of muslim women that don't wear that. What if I said my belief was to wear a bandana? I wouldn't be allowed. But why should her beliefs be worth more than mine? We aren't a muslim country. People shouldn't get special treatment just because of some beliefs. They carry no actual meaning other than to the person themselves. So they shouldn't be granted any special treatment because of it.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Religious imperatives and moral laws of course found the basis of justice systems in all countries, and with our laws are arguably based on more christian ideals there also comes the idea of accepting other ways of life, and respecting other boundaries.

The only debate over this I could persuade myself to give would be that it could be considered a rather sexist and pristine way of treating half the sex, but as I read between your lines you speak as if you can't trust people wearing hijabs (hadith?). I do understand your comparison to other forms of clothing/dress and how they're treated differently, but the essense of a religious law can't be loverlooked. it's much less a choice than wearing a hoodie or a hat is.

I still disagree with you that you can't see the shape of their face. The hijab isn't worn loosely like a hood - and it isn't a fashion, it's a way of life. As Wiki tells me, 'hijab' is more than simply the veil, it is "One of the tenets of Islam ... a requirement for modesty in both men and women." Sure you can argue that wearing the scarf/thing is only an interpretation, but it's an interpretation taken from doctrines and scripture held as law.

So yeah - it's a liberty afforded to muslims, but! If you wanted to wear a headscarf for your passport photo, you can - so it's not unfair treatment is it?