SOAD Album Leaked

[arab_freak]

"System of a Down's new album, Hypnotize, was leaked online yesterday. It was found on Demonoid (a torrent site) and another German System fan site. By tomorrow, it will be on G2 (Shareaza). It is excellent."

Like some other guy said: "Good news for us, bad news for them".

[Pit-Jr]

When they name albums 'Steal this Album', they cant really get angry about it.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

who said they got angry about it :P I really can't imagine the band themselves would actually be too bothered.

[Twozzok]

Actually, after Mezmerize got leaked, they said they were going to do everything possible to not have Hypnotize leaked, so sucks to them :P

[ViPeR]

Ah well I can wait. I have two of the songs anyway as they played them live.

[dukkadukka]

just wondering, what is the moral stance most of you take on "stealing music"?

[Hostile]

I fucking love piracy. I steal everything. If it was possible to illegally download food and water, I'd live off that.

[Kurtle Squad]

just wondering, what is the moral stance most of you take on "stealing music"?

Yeah....When 'stealing' from big companies, it's not quite the same as say, stealing a handbag. I don't really like piracy though and much prefer to own the official thing.
I'm least bothered about film piracy...they get anough money as it is. (That anti-piracy thing at the start of DVDs and such REALLY pisses me off)

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Oooh.. MORAL stance ey!

Well let's see. On the one hand, it is stealing. You're watching something you're supposed to pay for, you're listening to something you're supposed to pay for. Why are you supposed to pay for it? Because it's the laws we are supposed to abide by if we want to live in this society. If everyone obeyed laws without question then there would be no need to have the laws. Also, check out the credits list for a movie- that's a LOT of people who need to earn a living from these oft-pirated things.

But then there's teh argument of 'education'. I mean, that whole idea that because we can listen to any music we want, we do listen to a wider range of music and learn about different styles and artists. I think an increase in music listening leads to an increase in purchasing CD's. I mean, the majority of the album's I've bought in the last 12 months were all played to death on my PC first.

I think the problem is that people don't actually want to live in this society, so they have less respect for the rules. The whole idea of freedom means people express their liberty just by opposing the laws of their society, by questioning what you're told to do you reject authority.

I'll stop writing now before I go too far off the point. (I was about to write about Faith and stuff...)

[dukkadukka]

emo, you always seem to end you posts just as they're getting interesting :heh:

[arab_freak]

I agree. But hey, it's time for Emo to play wrist violin with my kitchen knife.

[Tyson]

I honestly couldn't care less about my effect on the industry as I'm sure it's minor. But then there is the fact of "if everyone thought like that."

Well, I'll download it, but I'll still buy it.

Edit: Wow, that was uncalled for Arab Freak.

[dukkadukka]

I agree. But hey, it's time for Emo to play wrist violin with my kitchen knife.
fuck you, that's horrible.

[rizz]

This album was better than I thought it would be, still, its no SOAD or Toxicity imo.

Moral stance? Hostile has it pretty much sussed :P

[arab_freak]

fuck you, that's horrible.

Learn to detect humour, k?

[dukkadukka]

Learn to detect humour, k?
and maybe you should learn some manners. depression is not funny, and neither are you.

[Twozzok]

The fact the RIAA and the like don't see, is the human beings sense of ownership.

[#1cubeplayer]

I'm sure they'll be pretty pissed about this.

I download music and I feel guilty about it. Someone makes so much less money because of my downloads.

[Pit-Jr]

People that can afford to buy every CD they love, generally do just that. Musicians are now aware of the times they live in, thats why they do other things besides sell CD's to earn money , i.e. concerts, t-shirts, dvds, movie soundtracks, etc. Thats the music business now, any musician that plans to get rich has to be aware of the piracy issue beforehand and work around it. Even Metallica, the most vocal opponents , now have live video concert footage and mp3's for sale on their website because they realize they cant stop piracy, they must adapt to it.

[rizz]

The only reasons Metallica's record sales have gone down is because they've released crap for the last 15 years. Piracy or no piracy :P

[#1cubeplayer]

aran freak seems to think he owns r-e
I second that.

The only reasons Metallica's record sales have gone down is because they've released crap for the last 15 years. Piracy or no piracy :P
And I second that.

[Pit-Jr]

Metallica cant keep releasing And Justice for all every 2 years, though it seems thats what ppl want. At least all their albums bring something new to the table, even if they cant surpass Puppets and Justice

[#1cubeplayer]

I don't expet them to make another Ride the Lightning either. The thing is that the quality of their music has dropped considerably over these past years.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

DukkaDukka; thanks :) I just don't want to write complete essays on everything as people will quickly learn how simple my opinion is for everything, and thus never have to read any of my replies ever again.

Arab_Freak; no worries, I detected the humour. I don't know if you were actually being super-clever by using 'kitchen knife' (as that was in my old sig) but I do know that you're not being malicious! All's clear on the horizon.

And to everyone else; Metallica have sucked since they stopped doing drugs. Boo!

[#1cubeplayer]

They've also sucked since they cut their hair. Damn, I cut my hair last week, I hope I don't suck.

[JonSt]

You already sucked before dude.


JOKING

please dont start RE vs DZ thing

[#1cubeplayer]

Yeah, you better be joking.

I was part of the DZ clan before Space even made DZ :P, so I wouldn't start that fight thing.. Back with Project Alpha, then Alpha Portal, and I dropped when DZ was made.

[Jack]

just wondering, what is the moral stance most of you take on "stealing music"?
Downloading music isn't stealing music.

[JonSt]

Yeah, you better be joking.

You gonna kick my ass punk :grin:


I kid, i dont class downloading as stealing just helping the needy :P

[#1cubeplayer]

Downloading music isn't stealing music.
Aren't you acquiring something that you should be paying for, without paying?

[Jack]

Aren't you acquiring something that you should be paying for, without paying?
Yeah, but's that not stealing. Stealing involves remove something from someone's possession without paying for it or having their permission. When you download a song, the original is still intact, hence it's not stolen. Stuart Campbell sums it up nicely here (http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/ffi/ffi1.htm), even if the title of the article's a bit bullish.

[Jordan]

< has quite alot of downloaded music
< doesn't care.

With assholes like the RIAA going around, using shock tactics and suing people left right and centre I download music. The fact is, due to America's coperate run government and the fact you can sue anyone there and get money or a settlement from it the RIAA and MPAA do it to get even more money. Those bastards are fucking loaded, they can't stop P2P no matter how hard they try.

[#1cubeplayer]

Thank you for that article. I'm clear now on copyright infringement and theft. It's a good article, but he didn't have to call me a fucking idiot.

[Jack]

Stuart Campbell's a very hot blooded guy. I think he has a speed habit.

[RoadKill]

Downloading music != stealing
Downloading music = copyright infringement

[#1cubeplayer]

What does the exclamation point mean?

[EEVILMURRAY]

System Of A Down.. nothing important then. Leak away.

[Jack]

What does the exclamation point mean?
"Does not equal".

[Grebe]

Metallica went downhill record wise when metal became fashionable and being able to out-mosh someone was seemed as cool. Mosh pits dont release angst anymore, its just a dance off to see who can hurt who more, or who can produce the best spin kick.

I think SOAD will be really pissed about this as they are money whores who only see green dollar bills.

[arab_freak]

arab_Freak; no worries, I detected the humour. I don't know if you were actually being super-clever by using 'kitchen knife' (as that was in my old sig) but I do know that you're not being malicious! All's clear on the horizon.

True. If you were a real emo, you wouldn't go around happily advertising it on an internet forum.

[demonmike04]

Its not exactly stealing music, but it does seem morally wrong.
Like, say some one else stole lets say mobile phones, then one day, he decides to put the phones he's stolen on the floor in a field for any one to find to keep without noting them their stolen, thats not illegal. Thats how most people get their music, but is illegal and we know if its free, its most probably stolen.

Laws are messed, but it is wrong, but hey you dont see any one getting arrested for accepting free food in some parts of africa do you?

I download music, its just way too expensive to buy from stores the only decent method is itunes, but you can only play them on itunes or an ipod, were's the loud speaker?

[MunKy]

If they wanted to reduce the impact of this they should have released 30 second clips officially like KoRn did. I only download songs everynow and then, I think I have 2. One is a radio rip and the other is almost CD quality.

[mike-zim]

just wondering, what is the moral stance most of you take on "stealing music"?

i cant stand it. i think it is wrong. these guy work their asses off to produce these albums and get nothing for it.

[soag]

Im totally against stealing music or movies, if i like a song or film I go out and buy it. Nothing good comes of stealing the hard work of other people and will only cause the future work of these companys to get worse.

[Pit-Jr]

As a point of argument, why do CDs, which are far far cheaper to produce than cassette tapes, still cost twice as much as a cassette tape. Maybe the music industry should rethink its pricing of CDs if they expect people to keep buying them.

[soag]

As a point of argument, why do CDs, which are far far cheaper to produce than cassette tapes, still cost twice as much as a cassette tape. Maybe the music industry should rethink its pricing of CDs if they expect people to keep buying them.


Its the same as VHS and DVD, it's cos DVDS/CD'S or more in demand than cassattes. Do they even make cassatte tapes anymore?? Havnt seen any for sale in years :/

[Pit-Jr]

True, some music stores still carry cassettes, but big department stores like Wal-mart dont to my knowledge. My point is, the price of CD manufacture has dropped steeply since they were first introduced, yet the price of an album has remained largely unchanged around the 15 dollar mark (not counting the bargain bin).

[Haver]

Is it stealing? Probably. Does it matter? The concept is pretty wack as far as I'm concerned. We have a civilisation built on produce and profit and we can't change that. Yes, CDs are overpriced. Yes, music executives are lining their pockets. But that doesn't have any influence on our actions. If we download music, then we're still committing a crime; whether CDs are overpriced or not. That won't solve the problem. And to their credit, whether it's a preventative measure or not, the music industry has provided solutions. It's easy to pay-to-download. It's cheap, and it works well. There's plenty of mp3s and videos out there on the 'net for you to try before you buy.

I personally don't see a reason for illegally downloading music anymore, apart from pure greed.

[Nefarius]

and maybe you should learn some manners. depression is not funny, and neither are you.
Depression is hilarious when it's on the internet.

Im totally against stealing music or movies
Congratulations on completely ignoring the link posted earlier on the thread explaining how it is not theft, not matter how you twist your anologies.

[Mr_Odwin]

True, some music stores still carry cassettes, but big department stores like Wal-mart dont to my knowledge. My point is, the price of CD manufacture has dropped steeply since they were first introduced, yet the price of an album has remained largely unchanged around the 15 dollar mark (not counting the bargain bin).

On the other hand, because of inflation, tha value of $15 has dropped a lot over the years. An example of a price that has remained kinda constant is the cost of petrol. Although the actual price has risen the value is about the same because of inflation. If that makes any sense ...

[y2cplan]

Well i got the album yesturday and so far i like it apart from 2 songs.

I don't really think downloading music is stealing TBH. Anyone who makes music should just be happy with the fact that people dig there music. Back in medevil times people didn't play music to become rich they did it because they loved playing music. Artist have to relise not everyone is made of money. Yes maybe i have downloaded a few albums but that's because i can't afford all the one's i like. I like this album so it desever's my hard earned cash. :grin: