UBISOFT's Wii Games

[Dante]

The famous babysitting academy will provide immediate fun to all family members, thanks to short gameplay sessions.

BABIES PARTY proposes a variety of 30 mini-games that can be played head-to-head or cooperatively among your family or with your friends. Live a great adventure if you play alone or have fun with your friends, up to 4 players.

Wii Remote™ gestures are intuitive, making the game easy to pick up and play.
You will just have to play indoor & outdoor mini-games following the typical day of a baby and his/her baby-sitter, and prove that you are the best babysitter, alone or with your friends.


Key Features

• More than 30 babies mini-games:
Enjoy exciting and diverse games inspired by babies daily life:
 Take care of them…
 Help them progress with memory games, puzzles, coloring and cutting up activities…
 Entertain them through hilarious mini-games

• Solo or multiplayer modes for every desire:
Choose which character you want to embody:
 As a baby sitter, you’ll have to take care alone of these adorable little monsters!
 As a baby, you can play up to 4 players with your friends, and do what was always forbidden.

• Wiimote based easy gameplay allows immediate fun:
Thanks to intuitive motions and use of the Wii Balance Board, the game is easy to pick-up and play. You will be able to enjoy instantaneously any game.

• A great story to live:
Choose the families you want to baby sit for and go to your neighbours’ houses investigate.
As a member of a babysitting academy, you will have to do your best to be graduate and to become the best Babysitter.

• Many unlockables:
Unlock a huge range of more than 50 cute and funny outfits and customize all the babies you take care of. YAY!

Consumer benefits

 More than 30 diverse mini-games to enjoy immediate fun.

 Share familial moments by going through the thrill and joy a babysitter can have.

 Challenge your friends to be a most ‘irritating’ baby than you.

 Do everything you have always dreamt to in your childhood.

 Make your baby the most beautiful & skilful one of the whole Academy!

Screens
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Product Specifications:
Publisher: UBISOFT
Developer: Visual Impact
Ship Date: Fall 2008
Platform: Wii
Category: Party Game
Rating: PEGI 3+ (TBC)

Its Imagine: Babies on Wii! (http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/877/877052p1.html)

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[Shino]

They're really taking the piss aren't they?

[Ramar]

Shit like this is why I've lost faith in the Wii.

[Dante]

From North American president Laurent Detoc interview: (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18699)

He acknowledged the Wii in particular has been difficult for Ubisoft to find success with. Pointing to the console's generous sales, he noted that games published for the Wii made up only 10 percent of Ubisoft's sales last year, and added that the company will need to work harder to create games that will "sell as well as Nintendo's own Wii titles."

[Shino]

From North American president Laurent Detoc interview: (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18699)

He acknowledged the Wii in particular has been difficult for Ubisoft to find success with. Pointing to the console's generous sales, he noted that games published for the Wii made up only 10 percent of Ubisoft's sales last year, and added that the company will need to work harder to create games that will "sell as well as Nintendo's own Wii titles."

Ok, they ARE taking the piss.

[Mokong X-C]

From North American president Laurent Detoc interview: (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18699)

He acknowledged the Wii in particular has been difficult for Ubisoft to find success with. Pointing to the console's generous sales, he noted that games published for the Wii made up only 10 percent of Ubisoft's sales last year, and added that the company will need to work harder to create games that will "sell as well as Nintendo's own Wii titles."

This crap is them "working harder" :blank:

My god, i'd hate to see what they could shovel out if they didn't try.

"Imagine: Snail Racing on Wii"

[Emasher]

Shit like this is why I've lost faith in the Wii.

This is ubisoft, if you've lost faith in a console just because of shit like this and not looking at all the good games on the console. You don't deserve to call yourself a gamer.

Anyway. Nintendo should just not license this. But I guess someone needs to make this kind of game so the AVGN will have something to do in 20 years.

[Coolness Bears]

OH God! :shakehead

This hurts my eyes!

[ShadowV7]

Go to hell Ubisoft. I supported you at first with RRR and Red Steel and gave you a chance, all you've done is kick us in the stones.

[Dante]

OH God! :shakehead

This hurts my eyes!
You could used this for Ubisoft CB.
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[Coolness Bears]

You could used this for Ubisoft CB.
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Haha! That's great! ^__________^

Thanks Dante!

See Ubisoft. even Haruhi hates you! :p

[darkjak]

Hmmm...
I hope the designers of the game secretly decide to make a bonusgame where you blow the Ubi-bosses brains out... an another one where you give the babies a swirlie.
(Yes, I am one sick son of a bitch:awesome: )

[M-PG71C]

So, HD consoles get titles like BG&E2 and Wii gets....Imagine Babyz Party.

This is why I need to get a PS3 soon, I love my Wii. Seriously, I really do and generally it is a damn fine platform. But, I need a next-gen system badly.

[The-Ironflame]

PS3, 360 and Wii are THIS GEN actually :p. Luckily I have a 360 myself.
So much for them aiming for "Nintendo like quality" more like low grade crap which is much worse than shovelware and even EA's PS2 ports.
If Red Steel 2 sucks in any way including in controls which EA has already raised the bar with Medal of Heroes 2 for FPS controls on the Wii, then they have lost the plot in terms of developing GOOD quality titles for the Wii.

[M-PG71C]

Okay, let me put it this way. I need to buy a system in where all of the major publishers are releasing their top AAA products on, despite the fact the Wii is the undisputed market leader (360 or PS3). :P

[Hellfire]

They're french, it was to be expected.

[mcj metroid]

.sweet jesus who the hell is this game appealing to? lol i was once slated at the beginning of wii lifetime for saying ubisoft suck balls but i now i think everyone thinks it.

[Hero-of-Time]

They're french, it was to be expected.

Awesome quote, simply awesome.

So the 360/PS3 is getting BG&E2, GRAW 3, Tom Clancys HAWX and Splinter Cell and the Wii is getting a baby sitting sim??!!!

Nintendo really need to do something about the amount of turd that is coming from 3rd parties. Sure the 3rd party support was lacking during the N64 era and to a certain extent the Cube era but the Wii is now the market leader and this is how the Nintendo fans get treated. Its times like this that being a multiconsole owner is clearly the way forward.

*raises finger at Ubisoft but still looks forward to their other consoles offerings*

[will']

You guys do realise this isn't a required purchase right? If you don't like the game no-one is forcing you to buy it. Publishers only make what the userbase is buying so vote with your wallets.

No doubt this will actually sell rather well and we can probably expect a sequel and more "*Something* Party" games in the future.

[Jordan]

GOTY anyone?

[Hero-of-Time]

You guys do realise this isn't a required purchase right? If you don't like the game no-one is forcing you to buy it. Publishers only make what the userbase is buying so vote with your wallets.

No doubt this will actually sell rather well and we can probably expect a sequel and more "*Something* Party" games in the future.

Yeah we know we dont have to buy it but the fact the Ubi has people working on a game like this rather than something decent is a slap in the face.

[Patch]

Looking forward to this. I've preordered it already. From an import site to get it quicker. Paid double the street price too. For the Limited Edition Boxset. Which includes eight used nappies. Yes.

[/ nando /]

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What happened, Ubisoft.. you used to be cool..

[Deathborn]

They're french, it was to be expected.

Hey!! Don't put me on the same level as those dickheads, you cod eater!
For your information, some french are not dumb (but just a few)!

Anyway, Ubisoft need to be send in hell where they will have to play the games they release on Wii and DS for eternity while being slapped by a giant Miyamoto Mii!

[Jordan]

It really does make you wonder what idiots would actually buy this game.

The Wii isn't exclusivly owned by 7-14 year old females...

[Gizmo]

I think for once we can all agree on this one.

Day 1 purchase.

[Zelda_Rulez]

If this isn't Nintendo-like quality then what is.

[D_prOdigy]

Killer. Frikkin. App.

[ThePigMarcher]

Damn , I don't sign in for a few days and the first thing I stumble on is this BS idea.

he noted that games published for the Wii made up only 10 percent of Ubisoft's sales last year

Is it any wonder , when they attempt to plan on releasing crap like this , and their previous efforts.

Try releasing a decent game once in a while and I sure that 10% will soon improve , seems logical to me.

[Jonnas]

They're french, it was to be expected.

Hey!! Don't put me on the same level as those dickheads, you cod eater!
For your information, some french are not dumb (but just a few)!

Now, now. No need to turn this into an international conflict. :heh:


Well, when seeing "games" like these, I can't help but to do the proverbial

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Afterwards, I just move on with my life.

[ShadowV7]

I found out why Ubisoft is doing this. They want us to burn our eyes so we don't see this filth, then 3 months later once we're mentally stable, somehow, we'll play one of their games and not realise it. Thus their goal is achieved.

It's all so obvious now.

[Deathborn]

Now, now. No need to turn this into an international conflict. :heh:


My post wasn't meant to be taken seriously. :heh:
TBH, most of Hellfire posts makes me want to have his babiez to freeze them later. Hope they are better than Ubisoft ones.

[Shino]

I didn't know we had French forumites. Its nice to know.

[Cookyman]

From 1up.com - 11/07/2007

In an investment meeting reported by Next Generation, Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot stated the company currently has 400-500 people dedicated to development on the Wii platform, and believes that they will achieve "Nintendo-like quality" on the Wii next year

Way to go Ubisoft - Nintendo like quality - my arse!

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[MoogleViper]

This game looks amazing. So many potential hours of non-stop fun. I can see the headlines now:

"Ubisoft's Babiez Party teachez teenagerz how to look after babiez!"
Quote - "I had four babiez and didn't know what to do with them. Then a friend lent me this game and now I know I've just won mother of the year."

[Sméagol]

..

I'll kill some "babiez", then when they put me in prison, I'll tell the press Ubisoft made me do it.. That'll get their attention.

They could make up for it though, by making Red Stell bloody fantastic and / or releasing the new Prince of Persia (if technically possible).

[Zero]

Why don't they just get an old rusty spoon and gouge my eyes out. It would hurt less.

[Gaijin von Snikbah]

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[Stefkov]

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[Hero-of-Time]

Might aswell join in with the posting of eye quotations.

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[Pit-Jr]

You guys are dismissing this as though it wont be a million-seller.

[Shino]

You guys are dismissing this as though it wont be a million-seller.

Apparently not, they say Wii accounts only 10% of their sales.

[Blue_Ninja0]

Might as well jump on the bandwagon. This was my reaction to Baby Parties:
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I've lost my eyes.

[Dante]

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[Hellfire]

My post wasn't meant to be taken seriously. :heh:
TBH, most of Hellfire posts makes me want to have his babiez to freeze them later. Hope they are better than Ubisoft ones.

My babies are 100 % guaranteed to be fucking awesome! The freezing part might be a problem though. Specially with french genes mixed together.

right, right, pics, let's see...

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Made this one for this joyous ocasion:
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[Tellyn]

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[Phube]

Can I join in!?

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[martinist]

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[gaggle64]

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It really does make you wonder what idiots would actually buy this game.

The Wii isn't exclusivly owned by 7-14 year old females...

I quite honestly can't even imagine 7-14 year old females wanting to play this.

[Ramar]

My babies are 100 % guaranteed to be fucking awesome! The freezing part might be a problem though. Specially with french genes mixed together.

right, right, pics, let's see...

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/Hellfire_DJ/random/angrypanda.jpg

Made this one for this joyous ocasion:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/Hellfire_DJ/random/babiez-star-trek.gif

That post is made of pure win, first the Panda chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool, and then the gif. Top class. :bowdown:

[Dante]

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[Deathborn]

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[Jamba]

This thread really is pathetic. It's reactions like this that mean that nobody will make anything but maintstream garbage that never thinks outside the box to make. I'm not going to say this game is good because it's not aimed at me but the intended demographic may love it.

You guys just sit here and bitch and moan because no one is making games that are for you. Yes it was probably cheap to make. Yes it will probably be very profitable. And yes Ubi will keep on making them.

[Shino]

This thread really is pathetic. It's reactions like this that mean that nobody will make anything but maintstream garbage that never thinks outside the box to make. I'm not going to say this game is good because it's not aimed at me but the intended demographic may love it.

You guys just sit here and bitch and moan because no one is making games that are for you. Yes it was probably cheap to make. Yes it will probably be very profitable. And yes Ubi will keep on making them.

So you add nothing? Not even a single pic?

Its not the game we're angry about, its the overall Ubisoft attitude.

[Tellyn]

Jamba, I think this thread is 1.5 years of hatred for Ubisoft's sub-par Wii and DS efforts melted down into one convenient access point.

[Dante]

This thread really is pathetic. It's reactions like this that mean that nobody will make anything but maintstream garbage that never thinks outside the box to make. I'm not going to say this game is good because it's not aimed at me but the intended demographic may love it.

You guys just sit here and bitch and moan because no one is making games that are for you. Yes it was probably cheap to make. Yes it will probably be very profitable. And yes Ubi will keep on making them.

From North American president Laurent Detoc interview: (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18699)

He acknowledged the Wii in particular has been difficult for Ubisoft to find success with. Pointing to the console's generous sales, he noted that games published for the Wii made up only 10 percent of Ubisoft's sales last year, and added that the company will need to work harder to create games that will "sell as well as Nintendo's own Wii titles."

[Jamba]

Right then why don't we have a Ubisoft sucks thread then?

@Dante: Yep read that quote the first time. That can be looked at in several different ways, including him suggesting things such as that they need to be appealing to the wider audience better.

[Shino]

Right then why don't we have a Ubisoft sucks thread then?

@Dante: Yep read that quote the first time. That can be looked at in several different ways, including him suggesting things such as that they need to be appealing to the wider audience better.

Because we have this one. And seriously, how wide is the audience this is going to appeal? I can't see anyone else other than girls that are 6-9 years old.

[Dante]

Ubisoft seem to make good games for xbox360, PS3, PSP and PC but not for Wii and DS.

[Jamba]

Because we have this one. And seriously, how wide is the audience this is going to appeal? I can't see anyone else other than girls that are 6-9 years old.

I meant that the game appeals to people from the wider audience. Sorry for the confusssssssssiaaaaahn : peace:

Well you never know. This kind of stuff is new ground and I'm not going to bash it on the basis of theory alone. If people find it fun then thats cool by me.

[Hellfire]

So, because of this thread, developers won't think out of the box? Fantastic.
Also, what would the intended demographic be? Babies don't play games, kids don't want to play baby games, at most they play Wii Sports, Wii Play, Guitar Hero, Mario, Pokemon, stuff like that. This is just shit. Sure I mean, they cost 5$ to make, I suppose that's good for them, but Nintendo-like quality games? lol
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[Jamba]

So, because of this thread, developers won't think out of the box? Fantastic.
Also, what would the intended demographic be? Babies don't play games, kids don't want to play baby games, at most they play Wii Sports, Wii Play, Guitar Hero, Mario, Pokemon, stuff like that. This is just shit. Sure I mean, they cost 5$ to make, I suppose that's good for them, but Nintendo-like quality games? lol
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Oh and you suddenly became an expert on what all kids want to play? Especially girls who don't play games at them moment because there aren't any games that interest them?

It's hard to make games for people that don't play games. It's hard to design and you do need to think outside the box, just not in the way that you usually hear people talking about. And please stop making all of my comments sound absolute when they are not.

You were taking the piss out of the "experts" earlier. You're just as bad.

[Shino]

I don't mind this games, there's always been games like this. What bothers me is that they don't take the money they make from and make a decent Wii game.

[Hellfire]

I'm pretty sure I have the right to take a guess at what people might play taking in account previous sales. It's hard to make games for people that don't play games? Sure it is, but making poor, rushed and bland party games with a "z" on the name that almost no one cares about isn't exactly the way to go. They're just taking the easy way nothing more than that, what they're doing is the opposite of thinking outside the box. I'm looking at Ubis games and I see nothing that notes effort, or at least real effort to expand their audience. They just churn out lots of these crappy games to make some money to make 360 and PS3 games.
Don't care if you have some sort of beef with me, not my problem, don't know how I made your comment sound anything other than it was, you just come in waltzing into threads acting non-challant to seem like the good guy and I'm the bad guy, just fanboying around. It's on bitch! (lol, it isn't)
Also, if you read properly, I wasn't taking the piss out of the experts, that was a response to McPhee's post.
Carry on, our discussions are boring, pay no attention kids.

[Jamba]

I don't mind this games, there's always been games like this. What bothers me is that they don't take the money they make from and make a decent Wii game.

You've got to understand the company though. The money goes to the "artisitic visionaries" like Ancel and Ubi Montreal who want to make visually stunning games. It's totally elitist because its the little dev departments that make them a lot of their money.

@Dante: I can only think of 3 good games series tha Ubi do well anymore atm. 2 of which are long established franshises. I've never undesrtood why anyone thinks that anything they will make will be any good unless it has a stupidly big budget and is being made by the entire Ubi Montreal team.

[Hellfire]

Yeah, it's not like all teams at Ubi are crap, they have pretty good teams, although it's obvious they send their interns or whatever to the other ones. I mean, they have teams in more than 20 countries! (wiki lol)

[Shino]

It's kind of weird, because 3 years ago, after playing PoP:SoT and Splinter Cell, I would put ass on the line for them.

Edit: I guess that makes me someone with a sore ass.

[Hellfire]

It's kind of weird, because 3 years ago, after playing PoP:SoT and Splinter Cell, I would put ass on the line for them.

I haven't played Splinter Cell in a while, but haven't they all been pretty good? And then there's GRAW and Naruto (havent played but heard it's cool) and probably some other games.

[Jonnas]

It's kind of weird, because 3 years ago, after playing PoP:SoT and Splinter Cell, I would put ass on the line for them.

And after all that, fans now treat them like "shit that flies do not want to eat"

PSfaLWGomMU

Maybe Ubisoft needs a similar "pep talk" from the fans. Or vice-versa.

[Hellfire]

mwahaha! Gato Fedorento ftw!

[Ramar]

I haven't played Splinter Cell in a while, but haven't they all been pretty good? And then there's GRAW and Naruto (havent played but heard it's cool) and probably some other games.

Naruto game is really good, just kind of short. And the battle mode is a bit pants. Had they pushed the story further it would've been awesome.

[Shino]

Naruto would be a suitable Wii game, even by their standards.

[tapedeck]

Dunno if I missed this but Ubi recently said that marketting these types of games is where a lot of the cash goes. Marketing something like "babiez" isn't easy y'know. - Obviously they are going after a crowd not normally associated with home console gaming.

This is the industry taking steps forwards (in a warped way to the core gamer). But yes, you would think that Ubi would give something to the core wii owner. They obviously think that Rayman is that product (due to sales alone)...and the promise of a certain Red Steel 2.

[Hellfire]

They can make all the babiez and horsiez games they want, if they're good, that's awesome, problem is they're not good and they're not original. Also, if they weren't hypocrites, it would help. I liked RRR and 3 has some potential, I'll keep an eye on it, but honestly, what Ubi is doing with Nintendo platforms is just, well, something I would expect from EA last gen.

[Emasher]

If they actually made good games that appealed to non-gamers I'd be fine but the fact that they're putting out all the shit that they do and taking advantage of parents who wouldn't know the difference between this and Mario Galaxy is what bothers me. Nintendo is slowly trying to take in non gamers and turn them into gamers. Ubisoft is making crappy games like this sort of copying game ideas Nintendo have come up with but having the developers make them as cheap and bad as possible. The problem is only Nintendo and very few other developers realize the hardcore market on the Wii. Sure this game appeals to pre-teen girls, but so did nintendogs. and what would you rather play.

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[mcj metroid]

They can make all the babiez and horsiez games they want, if they're good, that's awesome, problem is they're not good and they're not original. Also, if they weren't hypocrites, it would help. I liked RRR and 3 has some potential, I'll keep an eye on it, but honestly, what Ubi is doing with Nintendo platforms is just, well, something I would expect from EA last gen.

they have swapped really. EA have been trying to be fair.. They add wii specific controls etc to their sports titles and mini games. The graphics in their titles arent too bad not brilliant but not terrible.
Boom blox was pubhlied by ea i think.

Ubisoft make me ashamed to be european.

[Hellfire]

I agree, it's really like they swapped places.

[Dante]

Old article of ubisoft (http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL2287657620070822):

Guillemot said the company's casual games business was "extremely profitable" and helped to finance the initially costly development of games for next-generation consoles -- Sony's PlayStation3 and Microsoft's Xbox 360.

According to the Ubisoft CEO, developing a casual game costs anywhere between 1 million to 4 million euros depending on the number of platforms with which it is compatible.

[Ashley]

From North American president Laurent Detoc interview: (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18699)

He acknowledged the Wii in particular has been difficult for Ubisoft to find success with. Pointing to the console's generous sales, he noted that games published for the Wii made up only 10 percent of Ubisoft's sales last year, and added that the company will need to work harder to create games that will "sell as well as Nintendo's own Wii titles."

As others have said when Ubisoft release games like Assasins Creed, Rainbow Six Vegas and GRAW 2 for the 360, all of which had huge marketing pushes, and then sod all really for the Wii with no advertising (I can't remember the last time I saw a Wii game advertised on TV for a game other than Red Steel and the first Rabbids) what can they expect?

(sod all is used in the "of worth" manner; yes they released Cosmic Family, Dogz and My Word Coach but really. They expect big money off these?)

[Hero-of-Time]

“We saw with Beyond Good & Evil that so many customers were extremely happy with the game. We had a different audience at that time. We had more core gamers than casual gamers than we have today. We think the game was probably a little too difficult for the general gamers at that time. We’re going to make it more accessible and make sure that it’s really done for the new generation that’s come into videogames.” - Ubisoft chief Yves Guillemot



So why in the hell are they putting it on the 360/PS3? This new generation of gamers that they are talking about are all the non gamers who bought the Wii! So basically they are saying that they are going to make a game for these people and then stick it on a console they dont own. Muppets!

[Deathborn]

“We saw with Beyond Good & Evil that so many customers were extremely happy with the game. We had a different audience at that time. We had more core gamers than casual gamers than we have today. We think the game was probably a little too difficult for the general gamers at that time. We’re going to make it more accessible and make sure that it’s really done for the new generation that’s come into videogames.� - Ubisoft chief Yves Guillemot

Never played BGE but ... haven't I heard the game was short and easy??

Anyway, seems like Ubisoft announced a Prince of Persia spin-off (http://www.livewii.fr/news/96687/-Ubidays-08-Prince-of-Persia-sur-Wii.html?c=21) for Wii. My bet go for "My fitness coach: Prince of Persia special edition".

[MoogleViper]

Didn't want to miss out on all of the gif fun. Better late than never.

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[Tellyn]

Old article of ubisoft (http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL2287657620070822):

Guillemot said the company's casual games business was "extremely profitable" and helped to finance the initially costly development of games for next-generation consoles -- Sony's PlayStation3 and Microsoft's Xbox 360.

According to the Ubisoft CEO, developing a casual game costs anywhere between 1 million to 4 million euros depending on the number of platforms with which it is compatible.

So why in the hell are they putting it on the 360/PS3? This new generation of gamers that they are talking about are all the non gamers who bought the Wii! So basically they are saying that they are going to make a game for these people and then stick it on a console they dont own. Muppets!

Guillemot is an idiot. He uses shitty casual game profits to make mediocre efforts on HD consoles, and now he's dumbing down Beyond Good and Evil for a casual audience... on the 360 and PS3.

[D_prOdigy]

S-s-serious discussion?

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Is that how we do it?

[S.C.G]

Good fucking god...

*goes back to playing on 360*

[Tellyn]

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Is that how we do it?

That one's been done already. GET OUT.

[Stefkov]

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1880/whyubiwhynm0.jpg

But seriously, you make games for people to have fun. This is pushing the boat out searching for new horizons, yes, but the main audience for this are paedophiles.

[Hero-of-Time]

This is pushing the boat out searching for new horizons, yes, but the main audience for this are paedophiles.

Stef has just won this topic, well done :)

[Zelda_Rulez]

Never played BGE but ... haven't I heard the game was short and easy??

Anyway, seems like Ubisoft announced a Prince of Persia spin-off (http://www.livewii.fr/news/96687/-Ubidays-08-Prince-of-Persia-sur-Wii.html?c=21) for Wii. My bet go for "My fitness coach: Prince of Persia special edition".

http://i26.tinypic.com/169kw7a.png :p

[MoogleViper]

If you google "babiez party" then N-E is the top link.

But seriously, you make games for people to have fun. This is pushing the boat out searching for new horizons, yes, but the main audience for this are paedophiles.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/MoogleViper/Herbertcopy.jpg

[Hellfire]

http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html
Awesome article
Centuries ago, men attempted to fly by putting wings on their arms and flapping really hard. Logically, in their minds, it should have worked. Birds fly. Birds have wings. Therefore, having wings should mean man will fly.

The gentlemen, puffed with pride, failed every time. Had they examined the nature of flight, as opposed to the nature of birds, they would have realized the concept of lift (as Bernoulli did). One must examine the physics of the flight rather than putting feathers on one’s arms in imitation of birds. The descendants of these birdmen are with us today. In the gaming industry, they represent some of the highest gaming executives and esteemed analysts.

Nintendo is flying high. Rather than examine the nature of this flight, the birdmen are mesmerized by the feathers. The analysts and executives do not see the concepts of disruption and don’t even understand the Blue Ocean principles (though they think they do). The feathers they see on Nintendo’s ascent are casual games. Therefore, they surmise, if they make casual games then they will be flying high with Nintendo.

[MoogleViper]

Excellent find Hellfire.

[Hellfire]

Some parts are subjective, and well, pointless over-analyzing, but it's a good read.

[Emasher]

Pedophile comments had me laughing pretty hard.

I'll give that birdmen thing a read latter.

[killer kirby]

Announcment: Ubisoft have announced a new game for the Wii called, 'oldies party' the main objective is to make sure you take care of them, by feeding them, cleaning up puddles of piss, washing them and so on...

With over 80 mini games, this game will please the whole family with it's innovative gameplay that's been used in all the other Ubisoft party gameson the Wii.

[Blue_Ninja0]

You know what? The Nintendo Seal of Quality present in every game released on a Nintendo console should be more demanding. Nintendo should not accept shameful attempts like this and many others present in the industry.

[Emasher]

The seal of quality is no more. They now just have the official Nintendo seal meaning the game's been licensed.

[Jonnas]

You know what? The Nintendo Seal of Quality present in every game released on a Nintendo console should be more demanding. Nintendo should not accept shameful attempts like this and many others present in the industry.

Isn't the Seal of Quality just a guarantee that the game works fine?

[Emasher]

There used to be:

Official Nintendo Licensed Seal, which meant: Licensed By Nintendo.
Official Nintendo Seal of Quality, which meant: Nintendo thought it was a good product.

Now there's just:

The Official Nintendo Seal, Which means: Licensed By Nintendo.

[tapedeck]

http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html

What a great, great piece of writing.

Infact, my eyes still hurt from being widened so much!

[darksnowman]

http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html
Awesome article

http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html

What a great, great piece of writing.

Infact, my eyes still hurt from being widened so much!

All our eyes have been doubly opened now... :heh:

[Helmsly]

Thats a great article

[Hellfire]

You know what? The Nintendo Seal of Quality present in every game released on a Nintendo console should be more demanding. Nintendo should not accept shameful attempts like this and many others present in the industry.

Caporegime I'm ashamed of you! I expect other people not to know what the Seal of Quality after all these years of having it explained in their faces, but you? *gasp*
It's what Emasher said, companies of old, after the atari crash didn't test their games, the seal of quality pretty much saved the industry, because people didn't want to buy another incredible horrible port of frogger (it was much worse than it is now with ports) that didn't work, so Nintendo vouched that it actually worked. The Quality refered to that not to the awesomeness of the game. Nowadays, every company tests their games, so it's pointless, moreover, if they're licensed, they work.
http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html

What a great, great piece of writing.

Infact, my eyes still hurt from being widened so much!

Not widened enough to read the others posts though :P

[Emasher]

Thats a great article

QFT! Best thing I've read in a long time.

[Hellfire]

lol @ http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9251049315/m/4081042366/p/1

[Dante]

Ubisoft's timeline of events

1. Ubisoft's Red Steel is the first Wii game ever shown. Apparently Ubisoft were given access to the Wiimote in advance of many other developers/publishers, and decided to use this 'insider' knowledge to get off to a good start. Due to decent marketing and (being a launch game), the game becomes a million seller.

2. A Rayman platformer surfaces from nowhere, apparently Wii exclusive.

3. Michel Ancel leaves the Rayman project for unknown reasons. By now, the Rayman platformer is now a (reasonably decent) party game. Also becomes a million seller.

4. Ubisoft promise that a number of Wii games are in the pipeline. This is in stark contrast to many other publishers. Not long after, SEGA claims that they are on their second generation of Wii titles. Many tell SEGA to shut up, and point at Ubisoft's proposed six games in development.

5. Those games turn out to be pathetic ports of last-gen titles for quick cash.

6. These games are ridiculed and nobody buys them.

7. Ubisoft admits these games were pathetic ports of last-gen titles for quick cash - promises "Nintendo-like quality".

8. Releases an avalanche of Imagine and Petz games on DS.

9. Petz games infiltrate the Wii.

10. Ubisoft declare that their games are not selling well at all on the Wii.

11. At Ubidays, Ubisoft announces shovelware for the Wii, and does so in such a manner that implies that these games are games that the 'core' Wii owner watching the event would be at all interested in.

12. Wii owners across the Internet declare war on Ubisoft.

13. Ubisoft decide now is a good time to announce a Wii exclusive Prince of Persia - the Wii owners aren't buying it .


lol @ http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9251049315/m/4081042366/p/1

You missed this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9251049315/m/4081042366/p/3).

Ubisoft Responds to Criticism

The true of the matter is this, the Wii is a very different console than what most games developers are used to. The Wii has managed to make a huge success from having games on it that just would not work on a conventional console. The Wii has also managed to increase the market share to a huge group of people that are not that interested in gaming. With Wii Sports, Wii Fit and all manner of games built for family play, Nintendo know who they are marketing for and it is not die hard gamers. If you look at the most successful Wii games, they are not amazing new AAA games, they are predominantly family orientated games/alternative games.

Looking at the current UK games sales for Wii [Wii Sales Link (http://www.chart-track.com/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110030)], there are not that many traditional games in the top 30. Trends are changing and not everyone wants a new action game, FPS game or epic RPG, sales of the Wii proves that the majority want something different.

Parents who are buying a console for their children do not really care about Prince of Persia, Rainbow Six or Far Cry on the box, they want games that are going to be good for their children and not get them in the local newspaper. Why else would games like Brain Training/Wii Fit/Mario Party sell in the millions if people wanted hardcore games?

Check the Nintendo DS figures in the UK as well. [DS Sales Link (http://www.chart-track.com/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110025)]. Notice whose name is listed there a few times but also notice which games are listed? We make games that will “hopefully” sell to a selected audience. We are a business after all, but Nintendo know which people are their market, just as Sony and Microsoft know who their markets are. Ubisoft have always been aimed at the more mature market (Look at our back catalogue) and in the last few years have started venturing into the casual gaming market. This is because that market now exists, thanks to the rise in popularity of the Wii and DS. The Wii is still a new console and it still has plenty of time to grow, Nintendo know this and Ubisoft know this.

As for Shaun Whites on the Wii, can you at least wait to get some more information and gameplay on it before binning it? Most people have seen a few screenshots and they already hate it because it does not look as good as the 360 etc but to damn a game just because of looks, and without actually playing it is just silly. All I have seen is various forums (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/) doing childish Photoshop screens (http://i25.tinypic.com/2zfk1p0.gif), at least wait to see the game face to face before turning it into a humorous gif.

[MoogleViper]

"Looking at the current UK games sales for Wii, there are not that many traditional games in the top 30. Trends are changing and not everyone wants a new action game, FPS game or epic RPG, sales of the Wii proves that the majority want something different."

That's because there aren't any of those games available for us to buy.

[raith]

Funny how the small devs like High Voltage and Platinum Games are actually putting effort into their games while big companies like Ubisoft are creating these horrible games for Wii/DS. I mean they are a business company and they have the right to put out games likes this BUT don't feed us bullsh** about how there isn't an audience for it's core games on Wii. I didn't buy the explanation EA gave for their shyte Wii version of RockBand, so I'm sure as hell am not going to believe what UbiSoft says about Wii.

[Zechs Merquise]

From North American president Laurent Detoc interview: (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18699)

He acknowledged the Wii in particular has been difficult for Ubisoft to find success with. Pointing to the console's generous sales, he noted that games published for the Wii made up only 10 percent of Ubisoft's sales last year, and added that the company will need to work harder to create games that will "sell as well as Nintendo's own Wii titles."

Difficult to find success with? Yeah, you release shite it sells badly, go figure. This is more shite.

How about a Ghost Recon game or a Rainbow Six game? Knobheads

[Deathborn]

First screenshot of PoP spin-off for wii:
http://i25.tinypic.com/2zfk1p0.gif

[killer kirby]

First screenshot of PoP spin-off for wii:
http://i25.tinypic.com/2zfk1p0.gif

lol that image cracks me up everytime I see it. :bowdown: to the person that made that pic

[Zero]

I can see less and less games like FPS', RPG's etc. being made for the Wii simply because most companies like quick cash instead of decent games. All because they believe there is no core audience.

[Emasher]

Ubisoft are birdmen reconfirmed.

[spirited away]

I can see less and less games like FPS', RPG's etc. being made for the Wii simply because most companies like quick cash instead of decent games. All because they believe there is no core audience.

Argh, it's so irritating. The auidence hasn't completely changed - it's been expanded! Nintendo are developing games that cross into each demographic: the non-games (Wii Fit), the casual-games (Wii Sports), the core games that appeal to casual gamers (Mario Kart, Animal Crossing) and the hardcore games (MP3, SSBB). They're tapping into each of these markets and opening up new auidences to the VG culture. Publishers such as Ubisoft must realise the lost potential of the markets they're neglecting. Games such as Far Cry ( preadators) i'm sure would sell well (most gamers own a Wii), but If you're aiming a game at that 'hardcore' audience, it needs to be of a benchmark quality - reviews are a big part of deciding whether to purchase a game for us.

Surely dropping a few of these casual games, and developing a true 'gamers' game; focused towards this derpived market; incorporating inutivute use of the Wii remote's functions and hardware, would be a lot more rewarding and would reubild their bruised integrity. I suppose though this is a riskier option than the 'low-cost, high-profit' shovelware; and even with games such as Shaun White, their tapping into the Casual/Core market - negating the risk of not being to the standard we demand.

For these reasons, I wonder if gamers would have been better of with a less- pardigmatic shift (not change) of focus from Nintendo. They've opened up an easy option for Publishers/Developers, and it seems many companies are afraid to develop without one eye on this new-demographic ( Would you rather have Rayman 4(?) over another RRR?). Yet the core market is still there, and left dependant on Nintendo's first party affairs; ports of well-revered games ; and good iterations of established IP's (Pro evo, MoH, e.t.c, GH3). There is still a very prominent 'core audience', and we need sustenance. Some companies are misinterpreting Nintendo's ethos and it's a shame.

[Hellfire]

I didn't miss it Dante it's in the same thread :P
And it's nto ubi's response it's a mods response. Which is still retarded.

"Looking at the current UK games sales for Wii, there are not that many traditional games in the top 30. Trends are changing and not everyone wants a new action game, FPS game or epic RPG, sales of the Wii proves that the majority want something different."

That's because there aren't any of those games available for us to buy.

Still, 16 or so of those 30 games are "traditional" games, quite more actually, it's just that it's hard (and pointless) to figure out what's traditional or not.

[gaggle64]

I don't like all these arguments that Ubisoft are making crap Wii games because they're targeting the wrong end of the market. They're just making crap Wii games, period.

[Hellfire]

They're not making crappy games because of their target, not many people are saying that, they're making crappy games because they assign their janitors to make these games.

[mcj metroid]

I don't like all these arguments that Ubisoft are making crap Wii games because they're targeting the wrong end of the market. They're just making crap Wii games, period.

this is true.. thir core games were terrible as well.. Splinter cell was a dire port for wii and two thrones tried to fool us into thinking it was a brand new game but a bad ps2 port as well.

Besides red steel i cant name one "core" game that wasnt a port for the wii. Thats a bit sad.

[pedrocasilva]

this is true.. thir core games were terrible as well.. Splinter cell was a dire port for wii and two thrones tried to fool us into thinking it was a brand new game but a bad ps2 port as well.

Besides red steel i cant name one "core" game that wasnt a port for the wii. Thats a bit sad.Just a bit?

[Hellfire]

Just a bit?

Depends, sad for who?

[pedrocasilva]

Depends, sad for who?Jade Raymond's backside, it's gonna be sore in a while (BRB)

[Hellfire]

It is gonna be sore and I apologize for that.

[pedrocasilva]

More importantly, just stumbled upon this on that other thread:

For anyone still willing to, I am going to post the link for two Nintendo Power (hoping to get something published) and a link to contact Nintendo, I will also be posting a pre-made letter, all you do is email the letter to all 3 sources, or you can change the letter, just email something to all three


The first email address is


nintendopower@futureus.com


the second email address is


pulse@futureus.com

the third URL( since nintendo only takes messages through their website) is


http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/webform.jsp

Heres the pre-made message, just replace magazine with company when writing it to Nintendo


I am writing to your magazine, knowing that this will go to no one higher than you, in hopes of bringing to your companies attention, one developer who is treating the Wii as a complete joke, and refusing to give any acknowledgment as to how successful the Wii is.


Ubisoft recently held their Ubidays event, showing new games, The Ps3 and 360 are getting a new Prince of Persia, and new War game, and a new Beyond Good and Evil, what they announced for the Wii, however, has pissed many people off, they announced three games, Shaun White's snowboarding, Rayman Raving Rabbids 3, and Petz Dogz, now I understand, the wii is a large casual market but I would hope Nintendo Power would (correctly) see what Ubisoft are doing(making bad games for the Wii, and using that money to fund better 360/Ps3) products as the direct insult that it is.


I know this may not mean much to the brass at Nintendo, but to Wii gamers, who now have to deal with this

http://gamed.nl/view/41385 (comparison of Shaun White's snowboarding on the Wii, to the other two platforms)

and this http://i28.tinypic.com/16itph3.gif (Petz Dogz) are being insulted by Ubisoft.

I know very well that no one above you will see it, and no one cares, but I felt I needed to share my outrage as a Nintendo fan by having Ubisoft insult and humiliate us with low quality, poorly made, horribly developed games.

gogogogogogo

[Tellyn]

I think this should be taken to websites and magazines rather than Nintendo (let's be honest, what will they do?). If the people who control gaming news show what their readers think of Ubisoft (and if this happens across all publications) then Ubisoft will begin to get a bit scared that the people who give news to the general gaming public are now boycotting and complaining about them.

Hmm, please tell me that made sense...

[pedrocasilva]

I think this should be taken to websites and magazines rather than Nintendo (let's be honest, what will they do?). If the people who control gaming news show what their readers think of Ubisoft (and if this happens across all publications) then Ubisoft will begin to get a bit scared that the people who give news to the general gaming public are now boycotting and complaining about them.

Hmm, please tell me that made sense...yes, but I only e-mailed the magazine mails right now. Nintendo? I could but... What I want is them the industry media outlets to be aware and of course, that would be bad for ubisoft.

Let's ramp up this scandal ppl.

Just for recap purposes:

For anyone still willing to, I am going to post the link for two Nintendo Power (hoping to get something published) and a link to contact Nintendo, I will also be posting a pre-made letter, all you do is email the letter to all 3 sources, or you can change the letter, just email something to all three


email address is


nintendopower@futureus.com
pulse@futureus.com

EDITED IN: European outlets

Nintendo Official magazine:

cnair@futurenet.co.uk
mmathers@futurenet.co.uk
teast@futurenet.co.uk
cscullion@futurenet.co.uk
fdutton@futurenet.co.uk

NGamer:

mgreen@futurenet.co.uk
mkitts@futurenet.co.uk
mcastle@futurenet.co.uk

Heres the pre-made message, just replace magazine with company when writing it to Nintendo:


I am writing to your magazine, knowing that this will go to no one higher than you, in hopes of bringing to your companies attention, one developer who is treating the Wii as a complete joke, and refusing to give any acknowledgment as to how successful the Wii is.


Ubisoft recently held their Ubidays event, showing new games, The Ps3 and 360 are getting a new Prince of Persia, and new War game, and a new Beyond Good and Evil, what they announced for the Wii, however, has pissed many people off, they announced three games, Shaun White's snowboarding, Rayman Raving Rabbids 3, and Petz Dogz, now I understand, the wii is a large casual market but I would hope Nintendo Power would (correctly) see what Ubisoft are doing(making bad games for the Wii, and using that money to fund better 360/Ps3) products as the direct insult that it is.


I know this may not mean much to the brass at Nintendo, but to Wii gamers, who now have to deal with this

http://gamed.nl/view/41385 (comparison of Shaun White's snowboarding on the Wii, to the other two platforms)

and this http://i28.tinypic.com/16itph3.gif (Petz Dogz) are being insulted by Ubisoft.

I know very well that no one above you will see it, and no one cares, but I felt I needed to share my outrage as a Nintendo fan by having Ubisoft insult and humiliate us with low quality, poorly made, horribly developed games.

[Hellfire]

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8535/ubicrapaes0.jpg
(not mine)
I wonder how long until they close the ubi thread lol

[Tellyn]

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8535/ubicrapaes0.jpg
(not mine)
I wonder how long until they close the ubi thread lol

Is that NGamer's Matthew Castle sat next to Miyamoto?! :heh:

[Blue_Ninja0]

Caporegime I'm ashamed of you! I expect other people not to know what the Seal of Quality after all these years of having it explained in their faces, but you? *gasp*
It's what Emasher said, companies of old, after the atari crash didn't test their games, the seal of quality pretty much saved the industry, because people didn't want to buy another incredible horrible port of frogger (it was much worse than it is now with ports) that didn't work, so Nintendo vouched that it actually worked. The Quality refered to that not to the awesomeness of the game. Nowadays, every company tests their games, so it's pointless, moreover, if they're licensed, they work.

Don't make me go all Zelda on yo' ass!!!

THAT'S WHY I said:
You know what? The Nintendo Seal of Quality present in every game released on a Nintendo console should be more demanding. Nintendo should not accept shameful attempts like this and many others present in the industry.

In the sense of: They shouldn't accept all shameful projects to ship on their consoles and be more restrict.
With all due respect my Don, but you're not completely right. I know for a fact that Nintendo can refuse to allow, for example, a pornography game on the console. And if it would be released through illegal ways, it would obviously not be blessed by the seal.

[Tellyn]

Right, to whoever's doing these emails:

nathan.whincup@n-europe.com

I'll inquire with Tom about writing a feature about the shit Ubisoft are giving Nintendo gamers.

[Hellfire]

In the sense of: They shouldn't accept all shameful projects to ship on their consoles and be more restrict.
With all due respect my Don, but you're not completely right. I know for a fact that Nintendo can refuse to allow, for example, a pornography game on the console. And if it would be released through illegal ways, it would obviously not be blessed by the seal.

They can refuse to accept whathever they want, that's why games need to be licensed, but it's a free market, so they can't just turn down games they don't like, specially if they come from a big company.

[Blue_Ninja0]

They can refuse to accept whathever they want, that's why games need to be licensed, but it's a free market, so they can't just turn down games they don't like, specially if they come from a big company.

Of course, but sometimes it feels they just deserve to be turned down.
Like this one.:heh:

[Calza]

lol @ this thread.

Ubisoft want to make money. Nintendo want to make money. They do not care about any of resentment towards "casual games" because you opinion does not make a difference to them or the "casual gamers".

[Pit-Jr]

Ironically this thread is turning into a babiez party. And whoever conceived that email should be on the cover.

[Hellfire]

lol @ this thread.

Ubisoft want to make money. Nintendo want to make money. They do not care about any of resentment towards "casual games" because you opinion does not make a difference to them or the "casual gamers".

lol @ not reading sensible posts and in turn not posting sensible posts.

[Shino]

Lol at the people who think owning an 360 makes them more valid than us.

[pedrocasilva]

oh god, the X360 trolls arrived (we're-impartially-against-anything-to-do-with-nintendo guys). Good games, it's all there is to it; and ubi ones are utter absolute crap. lol at this thread indeed.

I'd be insulted as a gamer, even if I still was in PSone era by seeing such graphics and attempts, hell, pong era.

And problem is... this is not ninjabread man developer whose name I don't even know without checking... this is ubisoft, they guys who promised the world for the Wii and delivered great mighty poo. Their loss too, but "loling" at that, only if that's loling in pity for Ubi and how low they've fallen.

[ShadowV7]

I have a 360 and I say your post holds no ground.

[Hellfire]

I have a 360 and I say your post holds no ground.

Who are you talking too though? lol

[ShadowV7]

Ah, was for Shino, perdro got in before me :heh:

[Hellfire]

Ah, was for Shino, perdro got in before me :heh:

Still can't make any sense out of it, unless you're being sarcastic. I don't know it's hard to tell, the internet is a mess nowadays!I'm gonna go with the sarcasm though, taking in account that you're awesome :P
Shino is saying that there are people that think they have some sort of moral and perspective high ground because they own a 360. And there are, it doesn't mean it's everyone. I have a 360 and that's not why I have a moral and perspective high ground, it's because I absorb the abilities of my dead enemies thus perfecting an already near perfect existance. lol

Also, long live Ninjabread Man.

[Tellyn]

lol @ this thread.

Ubisoft want to make money. Nintendo want to make money. They do not care about any of resentment towards "casual games" because you opinion does not make a difference to them or the "casual gamers".

Ironically this thread is turning into a babiez party. And whoever conceived that email should be on the cover.

You guys probably don't like the Wii anyway, so imagine this. Ubisoft give up on Rainbox Six, Tom Clancy's franchises, Far Cry, Prince of Persia, and (theoretically) cancel the 360/PS3 releases of Beyond Good and Evil 2 in favour of making Petz and other casual games. Would you be happy?

Is there anything at all wrong with wanting quality games that we actually want to play on the Wii? I don't see why console preference means you should feel superior to us. If the boot was on the other foot, you wouldn't be at all happy.

[Shino]

Ah, was for Shino, perdro got in before me :heh:

It was aimed at people described in my post, and apparently you're not one of them. Some users come here from the Other Consoles forum to patronizes us, I can't be the only one to notice this.

[ShadowV7]

I was being what Shino mentioned about 360 folk,then I was stating that since me owning a 360 gives me more perspective so I was 'dismissing' his post as invalid :heh:

Seems I failed at it though ¬_¬

[Tellyn]

It was aimed at people described in my post, and apparently you're not one of them. Some users come here from the Other Consoles forum to patronizes us, I can't be the only one to notice this.

You're completely right. It never works the other way though with those people, does it? :)

[Hellfire]

I was being what Shino mentioned about 360 folk,then I was stating that since me owning a 360 gives me more perspective so I was 'dismissing' his post as invalid :heh:

Seems I failed at it though ¬_¬

Don't worry, I got ya :P A little late, but I got ya.

[ShadowV7]

Better late than never :p

But yea, agree with you Shino, I think alot of people see it though, They are more 'hardcore' than us though. With their FPS' and all.

[Hellfire]

It was aimed at people described in my post, and apparently you're not one of them. Some users come here from the Other Consoles forum to patronizes us, I can't be the only one to notice this.

Tbh most fleshed out discussions have become like this, the folks that live on "other consoles" obviously don't like the Wii (most likely disgruntled Nintendo fanboys that want Nintendo to be Microsoft or Sony) and come here and make a mess out of every thread and then they say they're sick of this place because it's filled with fanboys, when most fanboys, trolls and extreme comments come from them.
Oh well, it's still good fun. Let's not dwell on this and let's keep making fun of Ubisoft.

[Stefkov]

It was aimed at people described in my post, and apparently you're not one of them. Some users come here from the Other Consoles forum to patronizes us, I can't be the only one to notice this.
If you mean me then yes. I see a game like this and I can't help but laugh.
Laugh, that you all want these better looking games when you know, all companies want is moneh. You can't say they're not just out for the moneh, otherwise they wouldn't be making such a game as 'Babies Party'.
Actually I take that back, it'll make thousands. I forgot how many paedophiles there are in this world. Paedophiles and infertile women.
But I still like Nintendo and their games. I just can't stand seeing people defend other games that are actually shite, like really really shite but they can't admit.

[Hellfire]

If you mean me then yes. I see a game like this and I can't help but laugh.
Laugh, that you all want these better looking games when you know, all companies want is moneh. You can't say they're not just out for the moneh, otherwise they wouldn't be making such a game as 'Babies Party'.
Actually I take that back, it'll make thousands. I forgot how many paedophiles there are in this world. Paedophiles and infertile women.

I can't really make sense of this.

[Calza]

Sigh.

I don't see why you are complaining. This game isn't being developed for you so why get so worked up about it. Fair enough if it was Nintendo's highly anticipated new IP but its not.

Yeah I don't have a Wii but that doesn't mean I don't want one. There are more than enough solid games by Nintendo and 3rd parties and I don't see the point in getting worked up over such a game.

[Tellyn]

Sigh.

I don't see why you are complaining. This game being developed for you so why get so worked up about it. Fair enough if it was Nintendo's highly anticipated new IP but its not.

Yeah I don't have a Wii but that doesn't mean I don't want one. There are more than enough solid games by Nintendo and 3rd parties and I don't see the point in getting worked up over such a game.

Again with the insults. I could get a list of people like you who are incapable of proper conversation in Wii Discussion without insulting the people who like it or the console itself. And this thread isn't about the game now, it's about Ubisoft's effort on Nintendo consoles.

[Calza]

My bad thats not what I meant. That dosn't even make any sense what I wrote.

[pedrocasilva]

Laugh, that you all want these better looking games when you know, all companies want is moneh.They ain't getting mine.

All they want is moneh? then why do they invest in the HD's? Wii has cheaper dev costs and a broader userbase (and no, don't aswer, no need to go into console wars)

Point is that... This is idiotic threatment from a developer on Wii games, is pissing in the plate you eat.

[Hellfire]

Problem is, it's a big 3rd party that's a great representation of the retarded points of view of a lot of companies. It's just bad in every way possible.

[Calza]

Point is that... This is idiotic threatment from a developer on Wii games, is pissing in the plate you eat.

Except how is it? If there is a market for it, sell it. Simple as. Ubisoft aren't trying to woo you lot.

[Tellyn]

Except how is it? If there is a market for it, sell it. Simple as. Ubisoft aren't trying to woo you lot.

Compare their Wii efforts to the titles they're releasing on the 360/PS3. There clearly is an audience for it looking at the Wii's million sellers, seeing as games like Zelda, Mario and Red Steel are up there. They just think there isn't an audience because they are ONLY releasing this casual rubbish.

[Hellfire]

Except how is it? If there is a market for it, sell it. Simple as. Ubisoft aren't trying to woo you lot.

There isn't a market for it, that's kind of the point, people look at "casual" games and lump them all together, but the thing is, the "casual" games that sold well, had at least a bit of quality, lots of them were actually good, this isn't. They aren't wooing anyone, they represent the ignorance of most 3rd parties and their inability to adapt to new markets and they're ignoring a huge market segment.
Crappy games will always appear, specially on best selling consoles like Wii, it happened on PS2 too, but coming from a big company that would supposedly make "Nintendo quality titles" for the Wii, this is ridiculous and they deserve to be made fun of. I won't lose any sleep over it, mind you.

[pedrocasilva]

Except how is it? If there is a market for it, sell it. Simple as. Ubisoft aren't trying to woo you lot.Oh sweet, there's no audience on the Wii for Nintendo-quality games? :laughing: There is, thing is... they aren't Ubi's; not by a mile.

Hell, beyond good and evil wouldn't sell on a platform with Zelda, it's just a Zelda clone, the guys don't want such games with effort, give them babiez! Hell, it's a outlandish assumption, that within a 30 million userbase there's quite a few hardcores with access to it; and the suggestion such games would sell would be like saying RPG's could sell on the PS2 after FFX came out, they obviously didn't!

Who are we trying to fool?

They aren't trying to woo us out, they are just showing us their middle finger and using the money profited from garbage to invest elsewhere.

[Calza]

Apart from Assassins Creed I'm finding it pretty hard to think of a original IP Ubisoft have made for the 360/PS3 and I really doubt any of them are suited for the Wii and if they were it would probably be best if they were built ground up. Though I don't see how Ubisoft don't think there is a market when Red Steel sold so well.

Yes Ubisoft really should be in disgrace with the graphics looking like that but they are going for quantity over quality at the moment. And if it sells that means Ubisoft (hopefully) spend more on their Wii games and if it doesn't sell they will rethink their strategies.


They aren't trying to woo us out, they are just showing us their middle finger and using the money profited from garbage to invest elsewhere.

Thats the point I'm was trying to make pretty much...

[Shino]

I was being what Shino mentioned about 360 folk,then I was stating that since me owning a 360 gives me more perspective so I was 'dismissing' his post as invalid :heh:

Seems I failed at it though ¬_¬

Haha, damn! I feel bad for not noticing! Nicely done.

[Tellyn]

I asked that Ubisoft mod, Raide, if he could get me an interview with someone representing Ubisoft. Here's his response.

Hi Nathan,

I can understand many Wii owners are upset right now but you should remember my comment was done at a personal level, not an official Ubisoft response.

So many people are posting my post as "This is what Ubisoft thinks of the Wii" and it is not. I was asked what I thought and I replied from my own experience working in a games shop for several years.

I will pass your email onto the PR side of things but it may take some time to filter through.


So now I play the waiting game. Any sensible questions for when/if Ubisoft get back to me?

[S.C.G]

So now I play the waiting game. Any sensible questions for when/if Ubisoft get back to me?

Yeah I got one...

"Why don't you put as much effort into making games for the Wii as you do for other consoles?"

"Do you really see the Wii as 'a means to an end' the means being - quick cash - and the end being - proper games for other consoles - is it really justifiable?"

"How much credibility do you expect to have with Wii owners by the end of 2008? Do you think you are keeping your fan base(s) happy?"

K, thats more like three I guess but w/e. :P

[ShadowV7]

Yeah I got one...

"Why don't you put as much effort into making games for the Wii as you do for other consoles?"

"Do you really see the Wii as 'a means to an end' the means being - quick cash - and the end being - proper games for other consoles - is it really justifiable?"

"Do you think you have any credibility left from Wii owners? When did you first think you lost it all and do you think you can get any back by the end of 2008?"

K, thats more like three I guess but w/e. :P

Changed the last question :heh:

[LazyBoy]

Ask them if they think they have made enough of an effort tapping into the wiimotes capabilities.

[Shino]

"Do you think casual games justify the much lower production values?"

[pedrocasilva]

Why no Beyond good and Evil for the Wii? Nintendo Magazines were chasing after Ubi for months, and it's generally said the GC version was the SKU that sold the most... that and the fact that it was hard to greenlight as is, due to the previous one having flopped, yet, Wii has lower development costs, a broader userbase and a big Zelda userbase (with BG&E being frequently classified a Zelda-clone) you've also said you're making Beyond good and Evil more casual this time around (something usually atributed for the Wii) so why announcing it for every platform besides the Wii?

(^big question I know, but I feel it really has to be a mouthful like that, in their face so they can't run)

How can a Prince of Persia Wii not be in development? (if he starts trying to run tell him it wasn't in development in the beggining of may according to that EDGE magazine. point standing that they've been doing the other versions and left us as a secondary B-team effort)

How can they be proud to announce ubisoft montreal is behind Dogz?

What is their average budget for Wii games, counting with ports and these games?

How could they not anticipate the Ubiday's fiasco?

Do they stand by Raide's comments (their dork representative, that defended the quality of the titles at hand, that they were all we should be getting and how Wii was not a gamer platform, blablabla)

Why should we look forward for their products when all they've done is backstabbing us?

What took them so long to listen to the consumer?

[Hellfire]

Why do you hate freedom?

Can I have Jade Raymond's phone number?

[LazyBoy]

Did you simply forget to make Assassins Creed fun or was it an intentional move to make it a mind numbing bore?

F*cking up the Splinter Cell Series was a bold move. What was your motivation?

No one likes Rayman. (you can say it with an inflection so it sounds like a question)

Does the Prince of Persia team know that Persia wasn't filled with generic white primary and secondary characters?

[Coolness Bears]

To continue the mod story!

From Kotaku:

Ubi Forum Moderator: Wii Games "are not amazing new AAA games"

http://kotaku.com/5012051/ubi-forum-moderator-wii-games-are-not-amazing-new-aaa-games

That's a little nugget couched in a defense against charges Ubisoft has a crappy lineup for Wii and doesn't care. Oh but they do care! The lineup is crappy for a reason! Read on.

On Ubi's forums, a commenter complains, "we get no new Core-titles and when we get some like Shaun White Snowboarding it looks worse than SSX on the Cube. Doesnt really look like Ubisoft is trying to put some effort in it."

The moderator comes back with a well-what-do-you-expect argument, without saying exactly that. The Wii's a console parents buy for kids, he says. "Parents who are buying a console for their children do not really care about Prince of Persia, Rainbow Six or Far Cry on the box, they want games that are going to be good for their children and not get them in the local newspaper."

Then, quoting a bunch of sales figures, says Ubi's mindful of the Wii's growth market, which is casual gaming, not Assassin's Creed. "If you look at the most successful Wii games, they are not amazing new AAA games, they are predominantly family orientated [THIS IS NOT A WORD] games/alternative games."

I made a D in college logic, so I am amenable to corrections. But if I have it right, this is what the guy himself is saying

• Games that sell well on Wii are crappy (at least by "normal gamer" standards, as the questioner describes himself).
• Ubisoft makes games intending for them to sell well.
• Ubisoft makes games for the Wii.
• ... (profit!?)

Also, if you're a Wii gamer and think I'm pouring on the hate, your own people are sending around and signing a petition to demand Ubi make better games on the Wii. Sign it if you want, but I doubt it'll budge Ubi's Nintendo strategy. (Next up: Gerbilz!)

Finally, I like this plea:

"As for Shaun Whites on the Wii, can you at least wait to get some more information and gameplay on it before binning it? Most people have seen a few screenshots and they already hate it because it does not look as good as the 360 etc but to damn a game just because of looks, and without actually playing it is just silly."

No, actually, that's the status quo.




Here is the full forum topic on "Do you have anything at all for normal Wii-Gamers ?"

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9251049315/m/4081042366/p/3

:)

[Darkspine S]

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=350&id=28174

_________________
UBISOFT VIRAL MARKETERS SPOTTED DOING DAMAGE CONTROL AT VGCHARTZ.COM

I am requesting that everyone forward this email I have received to everyone you know.

Read:

Apparently Ubisoft has decided to employ viral marketers for damage control after this Wii fiasco.

On VGChartz one appeared with thw profile:merkh66

His first post was promoting Ubisoft's FarCry2 as seen here:
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=28053

Soon after he decided to go to a Nintendo discussion thread speaking out on Ubisoft's latest fiasco in this thread:
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=0&id=28174

What occured next was a futile attempt at trolling the Wii and eventually got in a war of words with poster Bored4life.
At page 8 however everything just fell apart because we now realized that Bored4life strung him all along as seen here.
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=350&id=28174

Please go down to the part where Bored4life goes into detail on how to expose a viral marketer and explains how he did it.I think everyone needs to know about this new fiasco as well as quote Bored4life statements where he exposes him here:Brilliant!
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=822194
After he ran he then went on to promote Ubisoft's Endwars in another thread here:
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=28249


I think this is a lesson that needs to be learnt.
Why do Ubisoft insist on this ****?
_______________________

Here is my question; Can they get any f**king lower?:mad:

[Deathborn]

I asked that Ubisoft mod, Raide, if he could get me an interview with someone representing Ubisoft. Here's his response.



So now I play the waiting game. Any sensible questions for when/if Ubisoft get back to me?

Nintendo choose your compagny and one of your game (Red Steel) to be featured during their E3 2006 conference, trusting you to promote the console and advertising your game in a great way. Don't you feel you've betrayed them by developping only very low quality games for Wii?

[david.dakota]

Do you now feel it is now in the consumers' best interests to allow EA to fully purchase Ubisoft, rather than begging the french Government for money to enable you to stay 'French'? Honestly, if I were EA with my 20% share in Ubisoft, i'd be kicking arse right now.

EA may not be perfect, but at least their offering some genuine support to Wii - for both casual and less casual gamers.

[Tellyn]

Actually, EA are probably the best damn publisher, bar Capcom and Nintendo, on the Wii right now. They understand that the Wii is a fantastic console and don't treat it like shit.

[david.dakota]

Actually, EA are probably the best damn publisher, bar Capcom and Nintendo, on the Wii right now. They understand that the Wii is a fantastic console and don't treat it like shit.

I agree. We may moan about Rock Band missing portions like online, and DLC, but its a damned sight better than the appalling "output" from Ubisoft.

[MadDog]

Ive got an idea.
Dont buy the game :P

[Tellyn]

You were right to put output in inverted commas. I think other terms are fairer, such as discharge, leftovers, vomit, shit, piss, afterthoughts, etc.

Ive got an idea.
Dont buy the game :P

It's not about this game. It's like trying to talk to a brick wall with you. :shakehead

[MadDog]

You were right to put output in inverted commas. I think other terms are fairer, such as discharge, leftovers, vomit, shit, piss, afterthoughts, etc.



It's not about this game. It's like trying to talk to a brick wall with you. :shakehead

Why the hell are you speaking in the Babies thread then if its nothing to do with the game?

[Tellyn]

Why the hell are you speaking in the Babies thread then if its nothing to do with the game?

Did you come in here expecting in-depth discussion about this pile of shit?

[ShadowV7]

Considering how the last 7 and a half pages has been bashing Ubisoft because of Babies and the crap the Wii is getting.

I think that's why and everyone else is bashing Ubisoft in this thread.

[D_prOdigy]

It's mainly because of what the game STANDS FOR.

It's already been posted several times on this thread, but I've just finished reading it and want to re-iterate what a fantastic feature the "Birdmen and the Casual Fallacy" (http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html) is. Everyone should have a read.

[Hellfire]

His other articles on disruption are also very good.

[pedrocasilva]

Incredible, now ubisoft is hiring viral marketing? AND FAILING? OMG someone give me the eating popcorn GIF.

Oh and ppl don't forget to go to their forums and post (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9251049315/m/4081042366/p/15) against their hideous behaviour.

[Hellfire]

Yeah they also had a guy on GAF trolling. But for all their sins there, they at least actually ban trolls.

[Gizmo]

wah wah wah companies arent making the games i want so lets spam their forums with complaints wah wah wah

I was pissed after the announcement of BK:N&B. It's not the game I wanted. But I didn't start mass emailing OXM editors and spamming RAREs forum. I got pissy in a thread on this forum, and then got over it. Even then, it's different, as RARE had promised "Banjo Threeie" and gave a wildly different game (but lets not start that debate again). Someone point me to where Ubisoft promised anything.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6582/babiezxl2.png

Get over it.

Now go ahead, call me a 360 fanboy, say I only came from the off topic board to shit on the Wii, whatever. Fact of the matter is; I own 14 games for my Xbox 360, plus I'd say roughly 10 XBLA games. I own 23 games for my Wii, plus roughly 15 VC games. So yeah, I'm definately a 360 fanboy.

[Shino]

^^^ Nintendo like quality.

[Hellfire]

Fantastic post gizmo, you really understand what's going on.
Although spamming their forums is mostly worthless and childish :P Seems fun though lol

[pedrocasilva]

Fantastic post gizmo, you really understand what's going on.Viral marketing, X360 Babiez; I'm sure they'd buy it.Yeah they also had a guy on GAF trolling. But for all their sins there, they at least actually ban trolls.Give me link, I wanna see that, lol.

[Tellyn]

wah wah wah companies arent making the games i want so lets spam their forums with complaints wah wah wah

I was pissed after the announcement of BK:N&B. It's not the game I wanted. But I didn't start mass emailing OXM editors and spamming RAREs forum. I got pissy in a thread on this forum, and then got over it. Even then, it's different, as RARE had promised "Banjo Threeie" and gave a wildly different game (but lets not start that debate again). Someone point me to where Ubisoft promised anything.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6582/babiezxl2.png

Get over it.

Now go ahead, call me a 360 fanboy, say I only came from the off topic board to shit on the Wii, whatever. Fact of the matter is; I own 14 games for my Xbox 360, plus I'd say roughly 10 XBLA games. I own 23 games for my Wii, plus roughly 15 VC games. So yeah, I'm definately a 360 fanboy.


Come on Boris, surely you understand why we're angry at Ubisoft? It's not that they aren't giving us the games we want, it's the fact that they aren't giving gamers like us anything at all.

And they did promise 'Nintendo-like quality' in their Wii games.

[jammy2211]

I've not posted on here for a while, had to go away from the whole video games thing due to other things happening, but it's seemingly 6 months or so since I left and I'm shocked the Wii's situation is getting worse, at least for the core gamer getting good games thing.

It's really what I've said all along, in that there seems to be a stigma in the Western Developer world where they've deluded themselves into thinking they can't sell games on the Wii, made worse when even a company like Ubisoft - who had two launch titles surpass 1 million copies - seem to only further this belief.

To be honest I'm just baffled at the whole thing, how many more traditional games need to sell 1 million+ in order to get these companies to sit up and take notice? I think it's just the western developers feel a loyalty to Sony and Microsoft and that they don't want to go near Nintendo, it's a historical thing I guess. Same thing happend with the DS really, despite it's runaway success.

[Dante]

Viral marketing, X360 Babiez; I'm sure they'd buy it.Give me link, I wanna see that, lol.

Here (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11393186&postcount=216) you go Pedrocasilva.


Time to rename this topic to Ubisoft's wii games. :hint:

[Zechs Merquise]

To be honest I'm just baffled at the whole thing, how many more traditional games need to sell 1 million+ in order to get these companies to sit up and take notice?

Exactly. Oh and people whinning that this thread is a bashing thread, what did you expect, there were half a dozen pages of indepth discussion on the mini-games, graphics and storyline?

[pedrocasilva]

Here (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11393186&postcount=216) you go Pedrocasilva.Ah, Ether_Snake is it that guy was a ubisoft employee I believe, I thought there was a new thread for it (and new troll) since that one was locked.

Thanks though :DTo be honest I'm just baffled at the whole thing, how many more traditional games need to sell 1 million+ in order to get these companies to sit up and take notice?Welcome Jammy2211 :D

Don't forget to post in the Ubisoft thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9251049315/m/4081042366/p/16) it's worth the time :)

[Gizmo]

Come on Boris, surely you understand why we're angry at Ubisoft? It's not that they aren't giving us the games we want, it's the fact that they aren't giving gamers like us anything at all.

And they did promise 'Nintendo-like quality' in their Wii games.

Explain to me detailed reasons you're angry and I'll respond to them.

Fantastic post gizmo, you really understand what's going on.
Although spamming their forums is mostly worthless and childish :P Seems fun though lol

I can't decide if your being sarcastic or not :indeed:

[Hellfire]

I'll give you a hint: yes.
On the other hand, so are you :P

Anyone who's literally angry, honestly needs to get a life, I am pissed at Ubi and disapointed with them and follow this with some concern, but it's like I have my veins pulsing or something :P

[raven_blade2006]

I predict this game will sell in proportion to the amount of effort that was put into it. That is all.

[Dante]

Dont forget what they think they should do with Beyond Good & Evil 2. :blank:

Ubisoft chief exec Yves Guillemot told Next-Gen at its Ubidays event in Paris that this time around, the company will try to leave little to chance.

“We saw with Beyond Good & Evil that so many customers were extremely happy with the game,” said Guillemot. “We had a different audience at that time. We had more core gamers than casual gamers than we have today.

"We think the game was probably a little too difficult for the general gamers at that time. We’re going to make it more accessible and make sure that it’s really done for the new generation that’s come into videogames.”

Ubisoft announced the sequel to Beyond Good & Evil this week by offering up a trailer. No solid game details have been revealed, although we know it's being designed by Michel Ancel, the brains behind the original.

A release date has yet to be determined.

The original revolved around a photographer named Jade who finds herself knee-deep in conspiracy on planet Hillys.

[mcj metroid]

why do they even have press releases for the imagine games and babiez? It just angers the internet going gamer.. I mean the target audience its kids who cannot read.

Dont forget what they think they should do with Beyond Good & Evil 2. :blank:

IT wasnt too difficult it just wasnt bloody advertised!

[Zechs Merquise]

I'll give you a hint: yes.
On the other hand, so are you :P

Anyone who's literally angry, honestly needs to get a life, I am pissed at Ubi and disapointed with them and follow this with some concern, but it's like I have my veins pulsing or something :P

Ubisoft are total dickheads and this game is further proof to that, but it's not like we didn't already have ample proof already!

[Blue_Ninja0]

this is ubisoft, they guys who promised the world for the Wii and delivered great mighty poo.

We would be at a WIN if they actually delivered the Great Mighty Poo.

[Deathjam]

I am actually happy that UBI have done this. Mainly because it has allowed me to redirect my angst, previously aimed at Nintendo for the delay in brawl, and also because it has produced so many threads of 'epic lulz'. Ah good way to start a day :D

[pedrocasilva]

Ubi tries to bail out:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9251049315/m/4081042366/p/25

Ubisoft has teams devoted to making Wii titles of a wide variety, both party games such as the Raving Rabbids series as well as more traditional titles such as past Driver (PORT), Red Steel (RUSHJOB) and Prince of Persia (QUICK AND DIRTY PORT) games that still take advantage of the unique control system (no kidding, with ports?). If you feel any of these titles are not up to scratch then these forums are absolutely the place to pass that feedback on, ideally in the specific game forum. (we just did, it's up to you to take it seriously or choose to ignore it).

[Maiky-NiSuTe]

this will even hurt them more!! bailing out is a sign of weakness and shame!!

[pedrocasilva]

this will even hurt them more!! bailing out is a sign of weakness and shame!!yep, now we just a little more punch; blogs, forums and all that must post this brilliant conclusion

[mcj metroid]

Boggles the mind why they even care about what we think when we're bashing them.. I mean they are the ones ignoring us in the first place why bother listening to us now?

[pedrocasilva]

Boggles the mind why they even care about what we think when we're bashing them.. I mean they are the ones ignoring us in the first place why bother listening to us now?Damage control, and who says they want to listen? they just want to make it so it branches in a lot of threads, and that's if we want; so they can lock them selectively.

Like they did with Prince of Persia Wii one as soon as it was getting comments against it.

[Retro_Link]

1080 N64
http://www.videogamecritic.net/images/n64/1080_degree_snowboarding.jpg
1080 GC
http://www.take2.co.za/covers/ss/big/1080_ss-02.jpg
Ubisofts utter crap!
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/877/877108/shaun-white-snowboarding-hold-until-10am-20080528093937659_640w.jpg

[The Bard]

Dude, that second shot is from 1080 on the Cube. That was a good game.

[Retro_Link]

Dude, that second shot is from 1080 on the Cube. That was a good game.Yeah I know, that's the whole point!

Pic 1: 1080 N64 [10 years old]
Pic 2: 1080 Avalanche [5 years old]
Pic 3: Ubisofts current gen effort!

[mcj metroid]

and that was a fairly bad screenshot of 1080 avalance as well.My god ubisoft ha. IM pretty sure even the skiing game from wii fit has better graphics .

[Coolness Bears]

This makes be want to play 1080 Avalanche! :D

Time to bring out the Cube! (for a more authentic experience:))

Ubisoft must be going out of there way to make the graphics look this bad....

they..must...be...


:blank:

[Retro_Link]

This makes be want to play 1080 Avalanche! :D

Time to bring out the Cube! (for a more authentic experience:))

Ubisoft must be going out of there way to make the graphics look this bad....

they..must...be...


:blank:I know!
I had the same feeling looking at 1080 avalanche; I mean how many Wii games are actually even at that standard, not all that many.

I honestly cannot comprehend why this is happening, yes in cases it's a lack of effort, a cheap cash in here and there, but you would honestly think the developers should have some self respect.
Surely they want their games to stand out and impress, surely they want to keep driving the industry forward.

A couple of years on, the gamecube should not be looking like the superior console, it should be the entry level for Wii games, we've got a console here that's more powerful than the Xbox!
I really just don't get it and its infuriating as a Wii owner!

[Tellyn]

The Ubisoft thread got locked because the conversation wasn't constructive. Seemed pretty constructive to me: people tell Ubisoft where they are going wrong, Ubisoft respond with Red Steel, a PoP repackaged port and Driver, then lock the thread...

[Retro_Link]

Some of the latest comparisons in that thread were great pointers, like Lost Winds being a £10 game and being better visually and gameplay wise than pretty much anything Ubisoft has to offer, and at full price to!

[pedrocasilva]

The Ubisoft thread got locked because the conversation wasn't constructive. Seemed pretty constructive to me: people tell Ubisoft where they are going wrong, Ubisoft respond with Red Steel, a PoP repackaged port and Driver, then lock the thread...That's just their own damage control, "oh it's not constructive" just because everyone is against them, by locking it they have the last saying, and therefore can label people and, supposedly come on top.

Crap customer service.

So did you get the interview Tellyn? I definitely want to see some questions addressed if only for the laughs and lack of business sense.

[david.dakota]

1080 N64
http://www.videogamecritic.net/images/n64/1080_degree_snowboarding.jpg
1080 GC
http://www.take2.co.za/covers/ss/big/1080_ss-02.jpg
Ubisofts utter crap!
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/877/877108/shaun-white-snowboarding-hold-until-10am-20080528093937659_640w.jpg

Their effort really is cringe worthy!

I've tried to construct this next comment as the most honorble, fair, and honest comment to come from any humans mouth..:

For fucks sake, you bastard frogs, take pride in your work.

[D_prOdigy]

Oh I wasn't paying any attention to that thread. It wasn't really Ubisoft responding, it was just some Admin kid being all over-defensive.

[Dante]

Dont forget dogz that looks like PS game.
http://i25.tinypic.com/2rz2q6v.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/shagg187/DogZ_jumps_carwindow.gif

[mcj metroid]

so since tha thread is locked is it all over or are we just getting started with this?

[Tellyn]

That's just their own damage control, "oh it's not constructive" just because everyone is against them, by locking it they have the last saying, and therefore can label people and, supposedly come on top.

Crap customer service.

So did you get the interview Tellyn? I definitely want to see some questions addressed if only for the laughs and lack of business sense.

Indeed. Tell me, are you lostinblue over at Ubiforums and GoNintendo? :heh: You really are on a warpath!

I haven't got a response yet, apart from Raide's initial confirmation that he'd submitted my query to PR. But other good news, I have an interview with WayForward's Matt Bozon on Contra 4 and Shantae. :)

so since tha thread is locked is it all over or are we just getting started with this?

The battle for Ubisoft's forum is over. The battle for good quality Wii games is about to begin.

[Emasher]

I got an auto reply from one of the emails on the too mail list for the email petition mentioned earlier in the thread.

Anyway. looks like ubi are trying a new art style with the snow boarding game but have failed miserably. Although, you should also not that Wii screens almost always look like crap. From 3rd parties anyway.

[pedrocasilva]

so since tha thread is locked is it all over or are we just getting started with this?Seems like in vengeance and because the "this isn't the right area" (but still they left the thread reach 25 pages and it wouldn't fit elsewhere)... there's not like 20 Wii against Ubisoft threads in that section.

Far from over, but more subdued now. What Ubi has to realize is that what gone on in their forums is nothing compared to what is going on in pretty much every Wii/Nintendo and even multiplatform forums of homogeneous posters (obviously not when the victims of the bigger prejudice are minorities) but it's big... by big I mean... BIIIIG. They have to address it head on ASAP in order to do damage control, not viral marketing crap and closing threads.

And of course they have to deliver in a big way now, we know the bunch of crap they've been pulling on us.

[Dante]

now capcom are doing it (http://www.joystiq.com/photos/spyborgs-wii/837453/).

[/ nando /]

E3 can't some soon enough, really.. because I'm excited by nothing at the minute :hmm: ..and how can you possibly get excited by all this rubbish!

After Super Smash Bros Brawl, it's hard to see where my next game is coming from.. though, having said that, I have loads to get through anyway on SNES, N64, GBA, DS, Gamecube, Dreamcast, PS1 and Wii.. but recently I have been starting to worry about the long term of the Wii..

[david.dakota]

now capcom are doing it (http://www.joystiq.com/photos/spyborgs-wii/837453/).

Gotta disagree with this one. OK, so its clearly not the next epic, but Capcom have invested in the development team, creating a new IP and made it exclusive to Wii. It wouldv'e proved quite easy to up the resolution, paint it brown and slip it in their PS360 line up.

[Emasher]

now capcom are doing it (http://www.joystiq.com/photos/spyborgs-wii/837453/).

Actually, that looks like it could be good. Just because it has cartoony graphics doesn't make it bad.

[Maase]

now capcom are doing it (http://www.joystiq.com/photos/spyborgs-wii/837453/).

Oh, camon!!!

The trailer rulls so much ^^, it seems like a good game.

[Hellfire]

now capcom are doing it (http://www.joystiq.com/photos/spyborgs-wii/837453/).

Yeah, except not.

[mcj metroid]

Ubisoft - Casual market made us rethink our games

“When you’re reaching out to somebody who plays one or two games a year, it’s very easy. You don’t need to follow the rules of previous markets. But as they play more and competitors emerge, you have to rethink the way you do the games. The casual audience is becoming more demanding, for sure, and we need to make sure we’re proving more than what they’re anticipating. Seniors have no benchmark. Young girls, for instance, are now used to games that are made just for them – and have started thinking they want something better.” - Ubisoft’s Games For Everyone range Pauline Jacquey

[Hellfire]

Birdmeeeeen!

[Emasher]

Wait a second is this (http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/kGQlZYzigDsCVWETTtFK2fgLKSl3jrPZ#overview) really a ubi game?

[Tellyn]

No, it's a port of a four-year old PC game that they bought the rights for.

[Emasher]

Oh. Never-mind then.

[Hero-of-Time]

Ubisoft are again claiming they make quality titles.

A portion of a CasualGaming interview with Stephane Decroix, Product Director of Third-Party for EMEA…

CG: What sets Ubisoft apart when it comes to understanding the casual audience compared to other publisher who may have been more successful in other areas?

SD: When it comes to Nintendo platforms, we were there at the very beginning. Ubisoft have always prided themselves on creativity and quality, and we carry those principles through to casual as well. We go where there are no boundaries and no rules.

[Tellyn]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/hahaha-wut.jpg

[pedrocasilva]

The world would like to disagree.

So Tellyn, you asked that Ubi loser for an interview with higher ups and he said he's pass it along... they never answered right? uhhhh... they must be so confident about their quality.

[Emasher]

http://www.nintenreport.com/images/Special e3.jpg
I originally had this posted in the general gallery, but now that this thread has been bumped, I thought I might as well post it here too.

[Tellyn]

The world would like to disagree.

So Tellyn, you asked that Ubi loser for an interview with higher ups and he said he's pass it along... they never answered right? uhhhh... they must be so confident about their quality.

Correctamundo. I never expected them to respond to anyone other than IGN to be honest.

[Darkspine S]

Sorry to bump a relatively old topic, but does anyone else think that the whole backlash over Ubidays actually helped?

The three main games that were the cause of it have seemingly turned out decent. I haven't played Shawn White Snowboarding, but it seems to be getting the better reviews on Wii, Dogz was reshown a little while back with a graphical boost that puts it among higher-end Gamecube titles, and now this; That Babyz game gets a decent score, (http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/936/936573p1.html) despite it looking horrible.

[david.dakota]

I don't know if it did. I mean no developer really wants to make a bad game, casual or not. But the issue remains- were simply not seeing Ubisofts key titles on Wii.

Hopefully, like Nintendo, 2008 has just been a blip year for Ubisoft.

[will']

I have to say I never understood the backlash in the first place. Forum users are not indicative of the actual Wii market and Ubisoft are targeting a part of the Wii market that's about as far away from forum goers as it gets. For a lot of people the output of Ubisoft is exactly what they want, the fact they're reviewing well proves you can't judge a book by it's cover.

[Hellfire]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/hahaha-wut.jpg
Seems fitting :P

Seriously... wat.
I... maybe it's a troll review. I... I'm confused, I need to lie down.

[Emasher]

I have to say I never understood the backlash in the first place. Forum users are not indicative of the actual Wii market and Ubisoft are targeting a part of the Wii market that's about as far away from forum goers as it gets. For a lot of people the output of Ubisoft is exactly what they want, the fact they're reviewing well proves you can't judge a book by it's cover.

I agree with you partially. But what I don't like is how they're creating bad games for people who have a hard time telling the difference. I could understand if they were selling their games for cheap, but most of the ubi games I've seen have been full price.

[will']

Most of the people these games appeal to actually enjoy them though. They're giving them some simple waggle fun and that's exactly what they want from the Wii. They might not live up to what you or I would call a good game but as long as they are fulfilling the needs of the intended user that's ok. People will pay what they think something is worth, if full price is pulling in the required amount of buying then that's fair enough. Publishers have to make their money somewhere.

[Maase]

7.5?
WUT?
I would laugh so much if this received a great score at Metacritics, 4Chan has been trolling this shit for years, what would happen when they discovered its actually a pretty good Minigame Fest?

[Emasher]

Most of the people these games appeal to actually enjoy them though. They're giving them some simple waggle fun and that's exactly what they want from the Wii. They might not live up to what you or I would call a good game but as long as they are fulfilling the needs of the intended user that's ok. People will pay what they think something is worth, if full price is pulling in the required amount of buying then that's fair enough. Publishers have to make their money somewhere.

Yes, but they only like them because they don't know there are better casual games. It would be like if you didn't know there were any games other than simple pong like games. You would enjoy these just as much as something released today because you wouldn't know there was anything better. And lets say someone was selling them for the same price as today's games. You would pay that because you wouldn't know that it was a huge rip off. It might be fine to do that, but it still seems very wrong to take advantage of people like that. Its also a shame that good casual games that will have the exact same value to a casual game are outsold by crap because people don't know the difference.

[Ramar]

IGN the same site that reviewed FM2009 compared it to Fifa and Pro Evo, sad it's graphics were crap and soundtrack was dire. Gave the game 2/10.

A few days later removed the review because they got it horribly wrong.

I think I'll give their reviews a wide birth for a while.

[will']

Yes, but they only like them because they don't know there are better casual games. It would be like if you didn't know there were any games other than simple pong like games. You would enjoy these just as much as something released today because you wouldn't know there was anything better. And lets say someone was selling them for the same price as today's games. You would pay that because you wouldn't know that it was a huge rip off. It might be fine to do that, but it still seems very wrong to take advantage of people like that. Its also a shame that good casual games that will have the exact same value to a casual game are outsold by crap because people don't know the difference.

Does it really matter that there is better games out there though? I'm not a fashion expert, there's probably much better clothes available than what I buy at the same price but if they do the job for me and I enjoy them then is that really such a big problem?

Ubi's marketing and awareness in the casual gamers mind is good enough for them to pick up these games, if other companies are failing then Ubisoft can't be blamed simply for succeeding in this segment of the market.

I don't think Ubisoft's games are of a lower quality than other publishers either. Which games that are aiming for the same markets do you think are so much better?

[Jamba]

Gotta agree with 'will's philosophy on this. Especially now that I get to see a publisher from the inside (sort of).

Think of it like this. Micheal Bay makes awful, shit horrible movies that make a fantastic amount of money. They appeal to a certain consumer with a certain appetite and it fits the spot.

[S.C.G]

They appeal to a certain consumer with a certain appetite and it fits the spot.

True but dear god, who the hell is going to want to actually buy Imagine Babyz? :blank: I seriously hope it bombs in sales despite it's ok-ish review, this is not what I bought my Wii for.

Fair enough it's not aimed at people like me but I just hope there aren't enough people out there who actually buy it and like it otherwise they'll have another sequel of it on the shelf next year and more cash in their pocket to just plough into other format titles like Beyond Good and Evil 2... now the putting the money into games that are destined to be hopefully decent like BG&E2 isn't so bad, but it's not really that great a prospect for people who just own a Wii.

[Jamba]

but it's not really that great a prospect for people who just own a Wii.

Maybe not for the type of ppl who have been long term gamers. But they are the minority of the Wii demographic now. If people have bought the Wii thinking it's going to be something other than a generally casual system sprinkled with yummy Nintendo franchise games then that's not Ubisoft's fault.

If people want to be playing Gears of War, Resident Evil, Mass Effect and so on but only hav a Wii then the solution to the problem is pretty obvious. They own the wrong system.

There is a demographic for the Imagine series and it's been selling like hotcakes on the DS from what I know. It's all over the place like the Argos catalogue and in kids magazines.

There are no competitors for the Imagine series bar a couple of Nintendo efforts that lead the field. Why does everyone seem to think that there are better alternatives?