Politically Correct?

[mike-zim]

I hear this word so often it makes me sick. What is this world coming to the a basic discription of something like a "black board" or "white board" is incorrect. it is simple ones colour is black the others colour is white. but now they have to be called chalk boards and dry wipe boards.

old fire signs used to have a diagram of a white figure running through a green door. now it is a green figure running through a white door.

What is going to be next. every pack of cards must be burnt because there are black suits? they will be replaced with cards that have green clubs and spades?

the newest thing is that christmas lights must now be called winter lights so we dont offend anyone of another religion.

i think PC causes more problems then resolutions.

i want to know what you guys think.

has it gone too far, what rediculous changes do you know of?

has it not gone far enough, what changes would you like to see made?

[Ray Falling]

Hmmm yeah I see that happen alot too. Maybe I'll come up with an example too in a minute. But it seems so stupid. And there always will be at least one person who wont like something.

Okay heres one but its a small one.

I do photography...and its nice to have a border around yer pictures. Say 10 people love my unique border style, yet one doesnt...and I change it just for that one person.
Okay new border style, 25 people liek it now, but again one person doesnt. So I change it again...well ya get the point i think...

You cant please everyone, but to avoid trouble, they will change things anyway cause they just wanna make these peopel shut up.

Okay heres one. In Holland we celebrate something called "Sinterklaas" or whatever. Its like Santa claus only not like that at all.

He was a white saint in the old days..comes from Spain. Has henchman who happen to be really black. (probably African slaves?) Its a tradition...its based on facts I think...

And then suddenly they decide it was rasist and they made the people (who dress up like these henchmen) blue and yellow and green instead of black...MY God...blue people???? come on...

Its nitpicking (or whatever) and there be plenty more...slightly bending rules...its stupid...

[mike-zim]

maybe they were related to the umpa lumpa's? but i see your point

[Meik]

Someone needs to change the colour scheme of the forum, there is far too much white.

It's starting to offend me, to be honest.

[Kurtle Squad]

The thing is....They offend MORE people by making up stupid PC rule bullshit!!

Most stuff is complete crap...I can kind of understand Christmas Light things because of Jews and such, but the black board thing is just STUPID!!!....It's black, and people that are brown :grin: happen to be called black; so what?!!?....They're doing it with Draught boards n stuff too!!

[Blackfox]

PCness is bullshit.

It really does boggle my mind to some of the stuff it covers: like brainstorms (offensive to epileptic - apprently) and they are talking of banning piggy banks. And if anyone speaks out about his political 'correctness' its racist to do so. People should just accept the fact countires have traditions and that they should be observed.

[mike-zim]

the fact that jesus is portrayed as white is very historically incorrect

in poland jesus and mary are portrayed almost as african figures

what does that have to do with being politically correct?

[RoadKill]

Oh nigga please, political correctness is bullshit.

[rokhed00]

what does that have to do with being politically correct?


We're getting confused here between politically correct and historically correct.

[Eenuh]

Okay heres one. In Holland we celebrate something called "Sinterklaas" or whatever. Its like Santa claus only not like that at all.

He was a white saint in the old days..comes from Spain. Has henchman who happen to be really black. (probably African slaves?) Its a tradition...its based on facts I think...

And then suddenly they decide it was rasist and they made the people (who dress up like these henchmen) blue and yellow and green instead of black...MY God...blue people???? come on...

Its nitpicking (or whatever) and there be plenty more...slightly bending rules...its stupid...

Woah, are you serious about that? O.o
Wow... I seriously hope they don't start doing that here. Haven't noticed it yet... If they do, I think I'll go cry in a corner for a bit cause they just ruined a great tradition.
And seriously, this is the first thing I hear about any of this political correctness stuff. I haven't noticed them changing stuff around here just to be politically correct. Or maybe I just haven't been paying attention. It's kind of silly to change words that have a colour in them just because some people might think they refer to skin colour... which is just complete bullshit. People that think like that are just driving it a bit too far, seriously.

[Zakatu]

political correctness is a load of rubbish, i try to make an effort not to go along with it.

For example, black people are black. You could call them ethnic minorities but thats less precise.

I don't mind being called white, i don't see why there is anything wrong with being called black. its an accurate description of your color.

The xmas thing is also a load of rubbish, the whole thing is about religion and tradition so therefore i will allways call it christmas.

[Charlie]

the newest thing is that christmas lights must now be called winter lights so we dont offend anyone of another religion.


That's complete bullshit. Christmas is a Christian celebration. You don't put lights up because it's winter, you put them up because it's Christmas. I suppose we're going to have to buy Winter Tree's too, are we?

Where did you hear about that? That's the first I've heard of it.

[The Lillster]

Happy Holidays!

I hate that name.

[Charlie]

Happy Holidays!


That's even worse than Xmas!

[Indigo]

That's even worse than Xmas!
Actually Xmas doesn't remove the "Christ" from Christmas, since the "X" really does mean "Christ" .

Xmas has been used for hundreds of years in religious writing, where the X represents a Greek chi, the first letter of “Christ.” In this use it is parallel to other forms like Xtian, “Christian.” But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening. Many therefore frown upon the term Xmas because it seems to them a commercial convenience that omits Christ from Christmas.

[rokhed00]

i don't see why there is anything wrong with being called black. its an accurate description of your color.


Not really, even the blackest of black that I've seen have only been a very dark brown.

In reality they should be called brown people, as it covers all shades, there are no shades of black.

[Kurtle Squad]

Actually, there are shades of 'black', well there aren't. But even a Black pen / ink isn't true black

[mike-zim]

That's complete bullshit. Christmas is a Christian celebration. You don't put lights up because it's winter, you put them up because it's Christmas. I suppose we're going to have to buy Winter Tree's too, are we?

Where did you hear about that? That's the first I've heard of it.

it was in the daily mail a couple of days ago. personnally i think PC is making people more segretgated than ever. it is basically saying if you want to go and be muslem go ahead if you only want to group with your own "kind" go ahead it is ok.

Well its not!!

people should mix properly. we all have to share the same country. ever heard of the saying "when in rome do as the romans do". i am not saying everyone should be christian and eat fish and chips. all i am saying is that people should respect tradition and each others beliefs.

Hey we have christmas. deal with it. i dont know one (muslem for example) complaining that they get 2 weeks off work at christmas but we have to change christmas lights to winter lights.

Again Tony Blairs fault

BULL SHIT.

[rokhed00]

Actually, there are shades of 'black', well there aren't. But even a Black pen / ink isn't true black


No, black ink is blue.
Much as I wish it looked black under my skin, it doesn't.

[Jordan]

The fact that during the world cup a few years ago, minority groups called it racist that we put our own countries flag in car windows.

PC has gone too far, simple as.

[Hero of Time]

Changing a green/white sign into a white/green sign and changing Merry Christmas into Happy Holidays is going too far. People who talk about problems they have with things like that, made the problems themselves. It's ridiculous. OK, being against words like nigger is normal, that's a word directly insulting a skin color, but black board? The world is getting to it's end......

[Kurtle Squad]

Maybe they should bring this crap up to be banned at the next election ey

[Bowser57]

it was in the daily mail a couple of days ago


There's most of your problem right there.

[Pestneb]

I think politically correct term was created to point out the similarities between the character of pc terms, and the character of most politicians.

1)false
2)incapable of any good
3)either the root of the problems they are meant to solve or seem to simply exist to make said problems that much worse, and far more visible.

so Political correct terms get a thumbs down
the term "politically correct" to describe Politically correct statements gets a thumbs up.

[mike-zim]

Changing a green/white sign into a white/green sign and changing Merry Christmas into Happy Holidays is going too far. People who talk about problems they have with things like that, made the problems themselves. It's ridiculous. OK, being against words like nigger is normal, that's a word directly insulting a skin color, but black board? The world is getting to it's end......

Black rappers use the word nigga all the time. that is racism. it sounds exactly the same. so i say if they are allowed to use it why not other races? if a white guy went arround saying wats up my nigga he would be arrested.

But the racist part of PC is a small part.

[Ramar]

You know what I hate more than political correctness, those idiots who stand up for it and bitch at you when you aren't politically correct.

My Key Skills teacher last year was like that, stupid cow.

[mike-zim]

i remeber at school i always said black board and white board. i used to get sent out because i would not conform. so much for being individual.

[Bowser57]

i remeber at school i always said black board and white board. i used to get sent out because i would not conform. so much for being individual.

My bet is you're making up selective memories to fit in with the view of the world your Daily Mail reading has given you.

[mike-zim]

My bet is you're making up selective memories to fit in with the view of the world your Daily Mail reading has given you.

believe what you must my friend. butit is not what remember that is the issue. it the fact that people get in shit because of this PC. when kids are commiting suicide for being bullied too much. Kids are being stabbed in lunch ques. rapist and murderers are walking the streets. violent criminals are let out of prison to go and beat mothers to death.

Efforts misplaced? i think so.

[Bowser57]

believe what you must my friend. butit is not what remember that is the issue. it the fact that people get in shit because of this PC. when kids are commiting suicide for being bullied too much. Kids are being stabbed in lunch ques. rapist and murderers are walking the streets. violent criminals are let out of prison to go and beat mothers to death.

Efforts misplaced? i think so.


You have a Daily Mail tattoo, don't you?

[mario114]

I agree pc causes more offence to people then the things it trys to protect people from.

[Athriller]

Political Correctness can be as good as it gets. You never hear about the harm its avoided, but just the crazy shenanigans of a few wasters in your tabloid papers.

Misconstrue and rue, not for I, but you.

[mike-zim]

You have a Daily Mail tattoo, don't you?
i am happy that i amuse you.

[Haver]

I was stabbed just today. The lunch lady was mystified as my bloody hand reached for the turkey baguette. They'd ran out of ham, you see.

[Bowser57]

i am happy that i amuse you.

You and me both.

But seriously, you have to amuse me, otherwise I'd be depressed that there are folks who seriously walk around thinking the sorts of things you're saying.

[mike-zim]

You and me both.

But seriously, you have to amuse me, otherwise I'd be depressed that there are folks who seriously walk around thinking the sorts of things you're saying.

but that is the problem. this country is getting worse. there are not enough people who take a proactive interest in current affairs. if more people were interested things would work alot better than they are now.

[Sexual Chocolate]

That piggy bank bullshit is what pisses me off, because muslims dont eat pig it might offend them. :(

[Athriller]

but that is the problem. this country is getting worse. there are not enough people who take a proactive interest in current affairs. if more people were interested things would work alot better than they are now.

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." - Confucious.

The problem isn't so much that not enough intelligent folks are getting involved, it's that the unwell and unwise have just as much power, and the dumb fucks are expressing it too.

[mario114]

That piggy bank bullshit is what pisses me off, because muslims dont eat pig it might offend them. :(


I don't see how it would offend muslims -please if there is a muslim on here can you explain why?, surly if it does then we will have to kill of all pigs and pretend the never exsisted?

[Raining_again]

kill off all the pigs wouldnt that offend as well?

[mike-zim]

"The problem isn't so much that not enough intelligent folks are getting involved, it's that the unwell and unwise have just as much power, and the dumb fucks are expressing it too.

you dont have to be overly intelligent to be practical. Perhaps i am just a dumb fuck who reads the daily mail too much???

[Athriller]

I don't see how it would offend muslims -please if there is a muslim on here can you explain why?, surly if it does then we will have to kill of all pigs and pretend the never exsisted?

That's the thing, it doesn't. One man makes a statement, then hundreds are generalised.

On opposite end of the scale:

Hitler was Austrian. Hitler hated Jews. Do all Austrians hate Jews?

you dont have to be overly intelligent to be practical. Perhaps i am just a dumb fuck who reads the daily mail too much???

I don't know, are you?

[mike-zim]

i have said it before if you dont like the thread dont read it.

[MoogleViper]

Now you cannot say "black sheep...", "kettle calling the teapot black" or sing Baa Baa Black Sheep.


Not really, even the blackest of black that I've seen have only been a very dark brown.

In reality they should be called brown people, as it covers all shades, there are no shades of black.

Yes but then you could say that we aren't actually white and more of a "manky pinky colour that if you put on your bedroom walls it would look disgusting"


That piggy bank bullshit is what pisses me off, because muslims dont eat pig it might offend them.

Just because their religion stops them from eating pigs it doesn't mean that they can't put money in them.

[Ray Falling]

Woah, are you serious about that? O.o
Wow... I seriously hope they don't start doing that here. Haven't noticed it yet... If they do, I think I'll go cry in a corner for a bit cause they just ruined a great tradition.


Well it happened along time ago...I havent seen it happen again for years now...i was really young when that first happened. But thats the thing...they make up these changes and then some years later ya never hear of it again...T_T

[Wesley]

My town is going to use different decorations this year, which will not include a Christmas tree as it might offend other religions. They don't seem to realise that most people are getting really annoyed by this political correctness and and sociall unrest is occuring.

[rokhed00]

Yes but then you could say that we aren't actually white and more of a "manky pinky colour that if you put on your bedroom walls it would look disgusting"


Better than 'white trash' though, don't you think?

[Athriller]

i have said it before if you dont like the thread dont read it.

What in the the bitter ends of hell are you crusading about?

[MoogleViper]

I was stabbed just today. The lunch lady was mystified as my bloody hand reached for the turkey baguette. They'd ran out of ham, you see.

Ba Dum Tishh!!!

[mike-zim]

My town is going to use different decorations this year, which will not include a Christmas tree as it might offend other religions. They don't seem to realise that most people are getting really annoyed by this political correctness and and sociall unrest is occuring.

that is exactly what will happen. it is not the situation that people want but it is being forced upon you. do you have a choice in the matter? i would guess not.

[soag]

That piggy bank bullshit is what pisses me off, because muslims dont eat pig it might offend them. :(

I was sitting eating breakfast with a muslim in work today and i was eating a pork sausage, while eating i was going "hmmm pork it tastes so good" :D

Anyone that supports this bullshit could jump off a very tall cliff with pointy rocks at the bottom for all i care.

[MoogleViper]

Well a while ago a woman put up a statue of Jesus or Mary (can't exactly remember) but then a friend of hers said that it might offend people from other religions, so she asked her customers and people she knew if they minded and they all said no.

[Charlie]

My town is going to use different decorations this year, which will not include a Christmas tree as it might offend other religions. They don't seem to realise that most people are getting really annoyed by this political correctness and and sociall unrest is occuring.

What is your town celebrating? Winter Time?

[MoogleViper]

What is your town celebrating? Winter Time?

HAHA! Good one!

[Kurtle Squad]

What's worst is that taxes go towards people thinking up these shit ideas that don't protect anyone and just piss people off.

It would be like me being offended by other people eating meat just because I don't!! :indeed:


How come we can't have rules for blacks not allowed to say nigga, cos I find that offencive!! :wtf:
And I'm not Christian, but I still celebrate Xmas for the giving & family & friends part and all that. Am I supposed to be offended that other people celebrate the religious part of it?!!? :hmm:


I actually found it offencive that the Crazy Frogs willy was covered up!! But are they going to change that because i found it offencive?!

[Ray Falling]

Well a while ago a woman put up a statue of Jesus or Mary (can't exactly remember) but then a friend of hers said that it might offend people from other religions, so she asked her customers and people she knew if they minded and they all said no.

So much for freedom of expressing religons...T_T Id be offended if people were offended by my believes...

Or my spelling for that matter T_T

beliefs*

[Kurtle Squad]

So much for freedom of expressing religons...T_T Id be offended if people were offended by my believes...

Exactly!!!!!!.....It works both ways; so there's no point doing it in the first place.

[Wesley]

I was sitting eating breakfast with a muslim in work today and i was eating a pork sausage, while eating i was going "hmmm pork it tastes so good" :D

That's just . . . lame.

[Kurtle Squad]

That's just . . . lame.

I agree

"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 15 characters"

[soag]

That's just . . . lame.

No as he found it funny :p

[Kurtle Squad]

Are you sure he wasn't just humouring you so you shut up?!

[soag]

Nah he's cool he makes fun of us white folk and we make fun of the black folk it passes the time and is all in good spirts :)

[Solo]

My teacher told me we can't use the word brainstorm but instead we have to say 'thought shower' so to not offend epileptics or something, he may have been joking.

[Kurtle Squad]

Nah he's cool he makes fun of us white folk and we make fun of the black folk it passes the time and is all in good spirts :)

Fair enough!!

I'd never keep to any PC stuff if a teacher told me too!!

[Ray Falling]

My teacher told me we can't use the word brainstorm but instead we have to say 'thought shower' so to not offend epileptics or something, he may have been joking.

Thats is sad! Whats next? I cant say my leg hurts cause I might offend people in a wheelchair?

[MoogleViper]

Thats is sad! Whats next? I cant say my leg hurts cause I might offend people in a wheelchair?

I never thought of it like that.

[Raining_again]

Thats is sad! Whats next? I cant say my leg hurts cause I might offend people in a wheelchair?

Dont give them any ideas ray :heh:

[MoogleViper]

We can't say my balls hurt 'cos we might offend women.

[Kurtle Squad]

Yeah....There's also a bridge from the C-Block to our new G-Block which can only be used by the Wheelchair kids....there's like TWO!!!!!!....It's such a waste of money and peoples time.
It's not like other people on it would stop them, people always move to let the disabled through.

I know it's not really a PC thing, but it's stupid just like PC

[Solo]

How come we can't have rules for blacks not allowed to say nigga, cos I find that offencive!! :



Well there's two ways of saying it, nigga is like 'brother' and is said amongst some black people, mainly gangsters lol. I think you meant nigger which is the offensive one. I may be talking bollocks though.

[rokhed00]

Well there's two ways of saying it, nigga is like 'brother' and is said amongst some black people, mainly gangsters lol. I think you meant nigger which is the offensive one. I may be talking bollocks though.

But they both sound the same, so one can easily be taken for the other.
If one word is being banned, then it's soundalike should be too.

[Wesley]

Nah he's cool he makes fun of us white folk and we make fun of the black folk it passes the time and is all in good spirts :)

Ah, I see. That's alright then, I used to do that with an Arab friend I had.

[Charlie]

We can't say my balls hurt 'cos we might offend women.

Girls don't mind... They just laugh! Especially when it's a small, hard object that hits them, like the end of a girls high-heel shoe, for example....

[#1cubeplayer]

How about we all say what we want, and if someone makes a substitute that is more politically correct, we just say "fuck you" and do what we were doing?

[KingJoe]

Calling Christmas lights 'Winter Lights' is just ridiculous. Nobody expects any other religions to change their traditions {nobody is proposing a nome-change to the eid lights}. Celebrate diversity, don't try and homogenify our culture.
Raaaa.

[dukkadukka]

a bit too much political correctness is better than none at all, that's all i have to say really. christmas lights being renamed to winter lights(although that move looks like it'll be overturned anyway) is incomparable to women being sexually harassed in the workplace and black and gay people being beaten up on the streets and turned away from jobs they are perfectly qualified to fulfil. while i sympathise slightly with the backlash against political correctness, it also strikes me as people just whining for the sake of it. just get things in perspective, people!

[the_villa]

In one paper they said one school banned santa as it may scare children

[mike-zim]

yup that santa is one scary dude. i mean all those hohoho's. really he is a pimp with a bad attitude

[Kurtle Squad]

I heard today that you can't sit on Father Christmas' knee/lap today because of Peado-ness!!.....That SO out of order, I mean, they let KNOWN peados out on the loose to roam the streets for little kiddies, but don't let kids sit on someones knee who can be security checked and such and who isn't on their own with the kids anyway etc!!!!!

I know that's not really a PC thing...but it's still a stupid shitarse rule.

[scubahood]

I've only read the first post of this thread but this whole christmas lights thing is crazy. I'm sorry but this is a christian country and christmas is a christian holiday if anybody of another religion is offended by this they can quite frankly fuck off to where they came from

[Ashley]

As sick as you are of hearing the phrase "Political correctness" I'm sick of hearing people saying its "stupid" and such. Most people don't obide by 100% PCness, in fact the vast majority don't. Its cleaned up the language a bit and people just hyperbolate and pick up on minor details and incidences and panic. Otherwise known as "The Sun effect."

[Ormingstoke]

All this PC stuff just annoys the hell out of me, even the little things, it's not PC to call female actors actresses etc etc.

And the idea of "Winter Lights" is just f*cking ridiculous, we're not celebrating Winter (Hooray, our heating bills are going to go up and loads of old people will die!! WHOOOO!!) we're celabrating Christmas. I've always said that while it may have started that way, the majority of people who celabrate Christmas, don't celabrate it as a religious holiday, but they're still celebrating Christmas whether they know of it's origins or not.

They'll be abolishing Christmas altogether and coming up with "Diversity Day" or some such crap before you know it.

the laughable comments tbh are the ones made by clerics who say this will be a muslim country in 7 years

Maybe they know something we don't.

[scubahood]

I can assure you this country will not be muslim in 7 years have none of you seen star trek its set in the future and theres no arabs on there

[Ashley]

All this PC stuff just annoys the hell out of me, even the little things, it's not PC to call female actors actresses etc etc.


To be fair, why should we have to distinguish between men and women in this professions. If we said "the actor Jennifer Aniston..." would anyone think it was a bloke (and no stupid jokes please)?

[Bowser57]

I can assure you this country will not be muslim in 7 years have none of you seen star trek its set in the future and theres no arabs on there

But Star Trek takes place mostly in space doesn't it? Not a UK of the future.

Who's to say all the Arab folk aren't living in the UK and everyone else has been banished to space?

[Ormingstoke]

Who's to say all the Arab folk aren't living in the UK and everyone else has been banished to space?

Yep, and the clerics know this is coming in the next 7 years as part of "the cleansing".

This could be seen as hugely racist, but what the hey.

[Jack]

In my experience, the people who I've met who go on and on about "political correctness" want to be able to call "them" poofs, niggers and all other manner of unsavoury things without being told "Stop it". I've never come across things like being told to call it a chalkboard or whatever. I honestly think the Daily Mail makes half of this shite up.

[Hank Scorpio]

and loads of old people will die!! WHOOOO!!

Well every cloud...

[scubahood]

Yea i did think i did read that newspapers had made up some of these stories but still there is a widespread problem. I remember reading about some lady that had to give a description of a man that attacked her or something like that and she said he was fat and the police told her she couldn't say that or something silly like that and made her look silly

[Arragaun]

she said he was fat and the police told her she couldn't say that or something silly like that and made her look silly
Well that clears that up.
I'll back Jack on this and say that most of it is probably scraped from the bottom of the bullshit barrel by papers like the Mail and the Sun.

[Nevahom]

the laughable comments tbh are the ones made by clerics who say this will be a muslim country in 7 years

Islamic fundamentalism seems to be becoming the new "communism" to the Western Governments. My Grand parents are muslim, im not. But there is no way in hell i'd stand for living in a country that excersises policy through radically religious views. We may not be happ y obout not being able to call old people "old" anymore, but theres places in the world that you cant even use the internet because it promotes free thinking and could stir up revolution, Hell, some of us on this fine forum could have faced the firing squad for our views :wtf:

[mike-zim]

Islamic fundamentalism seems to be becoming the new "communism" to the Western Governments. My Grand parents are muslim, im not. But there is no way in hell i'd stand for living in a country that excersises policy through radically religious views. We may not be happ y obout not being able to call old people "old" anymore, but theres places in the world that you cant even use the internet because it promotes free thinking and could stir up revolution, Hell, some of us on this fine forum could have faced the firing squad for our views :wtf:

i see what you are saying but because we do not live in country that is totally controlling should we count ourselves lucky for only letting the government have a little control on our lives? and next year when they introduce slighly more rediculouse ways of steering us this way and that should we think thank god i dont live in korea? and the next year when slightly more control is placed on us?

Well yes i am happy i do not live in korea. but i am not happy with the slight amounts of control that we a forced to accept. i am not against all PC. there is a place for it but it should be a behind the scenes thing not something that forces us to change the way we live. that is the way it is going. how many of you will walk down the hight street and see a father christmas light put up by the council? i live in backward devon and even here there is not a single 1. what about birmingham london manchester?

This is what i am against. i want to see a father christmas in every shop. i want to live the life i choose not one that is chosen for me. granted pc doesnt do that on its own but it is a tool.

[Jack]

Christmas decorations in shops are up to the shop owners, not the council. The cafe I work in has loads of Christmas decorations up, but some shops around it only have tinsel. It's nothing to do with the "Political Correctness Brigade", it's all to do with how much the owner of the shop wants to spend.

[Pestneb]

a bit too much political correctness is better than none at all, that's all i have to say really. christmas lights being renamed to winter lights(although that move looks like it'll be overturned anyway) is incomparable to women being sexually harassed in the workplace and black and gay people being beaten up on the streets and turned away from jobs they are perfectly qualified to fulfil. while i sympathise slightly with the backlash against political correctness, it also strikes me as people just whining for the sake of it. just get things in perspective, people!

depends on the definitions.
I think the problem is wordy correctness.
paying lipservice doesn't work.
its sweeping the problem under the carpet.

basically the social aspect has to be tackled, not the language. most people I know are politically correct when they need to, but when they feel safe they let their real opinions out.

[mike-zim]

Christmas decorations in shops are up to the shop owners, not the council. The cafe I work in has loads of Christmas decorations up, but some shops around it only have tinsel. It's nothing to do with the "Political Correctness Brigade", it's all to do with how much the owner of the shop wants to spend.

i know that. what i meant was the christmas lights. the ones that are around the high street. when i mentioned the shops i was trying to convey the christmas spirit but it was obviously lost on some people.

[Roostophe]

What amuses me the most is that they're only doing all this because it'll offend the other religions, and the other religions don't give a toss about it, they know the UK and Ireland is of Christian religion, so they take it in. Some of them even celebrate Chrimbo.

Why don't a few million British people move to India/Pakistan, settle there and start celebrating Christmas there. See what the Indian governments do.
Ban Diwali? Because it might offend the Christians. And the Christians would say "I couldn't give a shit, Eddie."

[Haden]

I think the thing about Political Corectness is that usually but not always the motives behind it are good but the outcomes sometimes aren't Obviously the good points are it gets people into the mindset of disagreeing with racists who want are outraged that they can't "speak their mind" or in other words shout abuse. The bad part of it seems to be it stops true expressions that are sometiemes harmless (like celebrating Christmas) Councils flex their muscles and take the moral highground by stating that they are wanting equality. But the truth is and to use the Christmas problem as an example, the 'minorities' are quite mature enough to either enjoy or not participate in this national holiday.

[scubahood]

They can try and enforce all of this Political Correctness all the want i'm still gonna call old people old, still gonna call fat people fat, the blokes in the kebab shop turks and so on. If you take offence to this you are either one of the above or a liar cause everything says these things

[Bowser57]

still gonna call far people fat

You'll look a bit silly if once they get close it turns out it was just a trick of the light.

[The Peeps]

I hear this word so often it makes me sick. What is this world coming to the a basic discription of something like a "black board" or "white board" is incorrect. it is simple ones colour is black the others colour is white. but now they have to be called chalk boards and dry wipe boards.

old fire signs used to have a diagram of a white figure running through a green door. now it is a green figure running through a white door.

What is going to be next. every pack of cards must be burnt because there are black suits? they will be replaced with cards that have green clubs and spades?

the newest thing is that christmas lights must now be called winter lights so we dont offend anyone of another religion.

i think PC causes more problems then resolutions.

i want to know what you guys think.

has it gone too far, what rediculous changes do you know of?

has it not gone far enough, what changes would you like to see made?

There's a lot of posts here and I'm lazy :P so just replying to the original post.

It's ridiculous how they are supposed to be called winter lights so other religions aren't offended, no one seems to care about offending Christians do they? To be honest it's racist against Christianity. Christmas is a Christian festival but everyone celebrates it anyway - but that's no excuse for making it less Christian.

Christmas is Christmas and the people in charge of saying what is politically correct need to get a slap in the face to bring them to their senses.

[Nevahom]

Freedom of speech is fatally flawed in the sense that it doesnt actually exist anymore, for everything that is remotely different or evocative, there will always be someone that disagrees and will try to stop it.

And the christmas thing with the councils, WTF?? hypocrytical idiots, ethnic groups are fighting to have their religious holidays recognised and bitch about this countries own heritage and traditions, im not white (i have have mediterranean looks :wink: ), but the idea that we live in a multi-cultural society is rubbish, this country is being pushed to the edge of its limits, i dont think the government can appease everyone for much longer

[Haver]

They can try and enforce all of this Political Correctness all the want i'm still gonna call old people old, still gonna call fat people fat, the blokes in the kebab shop turks and so on. If you take offence to this you are either one of the above or a liar cause everything says these things

That doesn't make you 'politically incorrect', it makes you a racist ****.

[Atomic Boo]

what i dont understand is why immigrants come to england and tell us to take our lights down when its not their country. they should just respect christianity and be glad they can live here

[Bowser57]

what i dont understand is why immigrants come to england and tell us to take our lights down when its not their country. they should just respect christianity and be glad they can live here


I'm certain most of them come here only to tell us things like that.

[The Peeps]

send them back home if they dont like it to be honest. I'm sorry but that's my opinion. If you're offended by the culture and religions here then go back to your own country or just respect other people's religions and shut the hell up.

[the_villa]

most come to sponge off of us

[Kurtle Squad]

We have loadsa Xmas Decorations up cos we sell em!! HAHAHA.....We were told that we shouldnt hav this thing up cos it was near a light, but Alan (my boss) said to sod what the electrician said, so I had to put it back up, haha!!

[Athriller]

We have loadsa Xmas Decorations up cos we sell em!! HAHAHA.....We were told that we shouldnt hav this thing up cos it was near a light

Oh those immgrants, just blame it on the immigrants! They're always putting up other people's decorations near lights!

[Arragaun]

send them back home if they dont like it to be honest. I'm sorry but that's my opinion. If you're offended by the culture and religions here then go back to your own country or just respect other people's religions and shut the hell up.
I'm offended by you. Explain to me how you think you can just deport people on a whim please.

[Blackfox]

Its a bit racist to say, "Fuck off from whence you came!"

Especially when many off these chaps may have been born in the UK. Its ridiciulous that traditions should be overturned becuase of a handful of ignorent people. I for one wont ever be calling Christmas "winterfest" in my lifetime, nor will many other people, so chill it.

Also, the reason why companies call Christmas lights "winter lights" is probably thye can sell their product to a wider audience this way. Wider audience = greater profit.

Ker-ching $$

[mike-zim]

its racist to call pakistani people pakis, but its plain idiocy to call indians pakis

So on the same basis is calling an australian and ausi racist?

[Shorty]

what i dont understand is why immigrants come to england and tell us to take our lights down when its not their country. they should just respect christianity and be glad they can live here

Thats just the point though, I don't think any of them do really complain. The same as no African American person has ever complained that blackboards are called blackboards - and no caucasian person has ever resented being called 'white'.

All these politically correct phrases are thought up by unrelated third parties without the person they think is being offended even caring.

[Jack]

So on the same basis is calling an australian and ausi racist?
I think it's more because "Paki" is used as a catch-all by some people for all Middle Eastern nationalities. Hence why you get some idiots who refer to the Bindi that Hindu women wear as a "Paki Dot".

[Mr_Odwin]

Thats just the point though, I don't think any of them do really complain. The same as no African American person has ever complained that blackboards are called blackboards - and no caucasian person has ever resented being called 'white'.

All these politically correct phrases are thought up by unrelated third parties without the person they think is being offended even caring.

That's exactly what I think.

So on the same basis is calling an australian and ausi racist?

But that's different because the word paki has a derogatory feel to it these days.

[Lammie]

What a load of bollocks.

How can you force people to use Xmas instead of Christmas? It's eroding culture. It'd be like telling Kalahari tribespeople (not tribesmen) to cover up their boobs and wangs so tourists don't get offended. Or getting those of the Hindu faith to not wear a Bindi so little kids don't stare at them. It's there for a bloody reason.

Surely we're intellligent enough to understand some people are DIFFERENT and that we seem just as weird and kooky to them.

Get the hell over it. There's political correctness, and then there is total crap. Blackboards being called chalkboards? Bugger off.......if 'black people' are offended they can change their name. White people dont like the name 'whiteboard'? - call yourself 'person of a colour somewhere between beige and olive' instead of making the rest of humanity change their dictionaries.

Seriously people, there's more pressing issues, ie: todays crossword in the daily rag.

So on the same basis is calling an australian and ausi racist?

Paki is used as a generalisation. Aussie is like calling an American a 'Yankee'. It doesn't carry the kind of connotation that 'Paki' does. Although it's probably less offensive than other racial tags (wog, bubble, chink, etc). If you got someone who studies linguistics in here they'd probably be able to tell you how the above terms are harsher and more likely to be used in a derogatory manner as opposed to 'Aussie', 'Yankee' etc....

[scubahood]

Our freedom of speech is being taken away on this forum by people accusing us for being racist for calling people paki's. Good god get in the real world everyone does it and if you say you don't you're a bloody liar

[Mr_Odwin]

Our freedom of speech is being taken away on this forum by people accusing us for being racist for calling people paki's. Good god get in the real world everyone does it and if you say you don't you're a bloody liar

Well, I for one, can truly say that I don't and I'm not a liar.

Plus, it's got nothing to do with your freedom of speech on this forum. Read the rules, you have no freedom of speech.

[ViPeR]

Last I heard they changed Gingerbread Man to Gingerbread Person because apparently it offends women. What women? Who are they? Where are they? I never actually see any evidence of people actually complaining about these things. It seems like a bunch of people with nothing better to do, thinking of things that could potentially offend a small minority, just so they can change it. The day I can get arrested for saying 'Black board' is the day I might actually give a shit.

[Jack]

Our freedom of speech is being taken away on this forum by people accusing us for being racist for calling people paki's. Good god get in the real world everyone does it and if you say you don't you're a bloody liar
I don't call people "paki", because I'm A) not a liar, and B) not a pathetic racist ****.

[dukkadukka]

they know the UK and Ireland is of Christian religion, so they take it in. Some of them even celebrate Chrimbo.

the uk is not a christian country. the only time the majority of our population do anything remotely christian is at christmas and easter, but only out of tradition. more people care about wether or not they'll get their hands on an xbox 360 than about the tales and adventures of jesus christ on christmas day. christianity is undoubtedly most prominent, but that doesn't make us a christian country; much in the same way that even though cadbury's is more popular than nestle, we are not a cadbury's country.


just wondering, is it racist for white people to call each other nigger? because my friends and i all do it in a kind of faux-gangster way, is that okay? i've never really thought about it before so i was wondering if any black members could give me their opinions.

[Jack]

just wondering, is it racist for white people to call each other nigger? because my friends and i all do it in a kind of faux-gangster way, is that okay? i've never really thought about it before so i was wondering if any black members could give me their opinions.
Believe it or not, there's a big section about this on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger#.22Nigger.22_versus_.22nigga.22:_the_new_re visionism

[Lammie]

Last I heard they changed Gingerbread Man to Gingerbread Person because apparently it offends women. What women? Who are they? Where are they? I never actually see any evidence of people actually complaining about these things.

Oh they're out there. They're busy cutting their hair short, buying thick black rimmed specs, campaigning for womens rights like its the early 90's. Primarily I think they do it becuase it's much easier to whinge and whine and stand around waving placards and outside fishmarkets to force the change of "Fisherman" to "Fisher" other than actually do something constructive - like stop driving cars everywhere, or buying Coca Cola, or buying brand new clothes made in Indonesia for about .000002% of the retail price....et al.

the uk is not a christian country. the only time the majority of our population do anything remotely christian is at christmas and easter, but only out of tradition.

That's the point. It's tradition, it's ingrained into society and culture. If you try to supress the religious bits all you'll end up with in 50 years time is a strange holiday where everyone goes and spends a rediculous amount of money on things they don't need without even realising or knowing about it's religious or historical or cultural significance.

Oh hang on.......it's already like that.

[mario image T]

from the first guy.

"What is going to be next. every pack of cards must be burnt because there are black suits? they will be replaced with cards that have green clubs and spades?"

green clubs look a lot like three leaf clovers....Is it too unPC to say that the Irish are too stupid to play cards?

[dukkadukka]

lammie -

but going back to the argument a few pages ago, why does it even matter if we call them winter lights rather than christmas lights? apart from some people's irrational fear of their culture being attacked and suppressed by dirty foreigners, i really can't see the problem. big flashy lights, egg nog, tacky wrapping paper and santa are so far removed from religion already it doesn't even matter. maybe we should start defining "xmas" and "christmas" as completely seperate holidays, that way we can keep everyone happy.

[mike-zim]

....Is it too unPC to say that the Irish are too stupid to play cards?

yes it is. but that is what i want people to be able say. if you said it to an irish guy he would probably laugh it off as crap english humour. damn it now i am being racist against the english too.

Wait i am english.

can you be racist against your own race? is it possible?

[Lammie]

lammie -

but going back to the argument a few pages ago, why does it even matter if we call them winter lights rather than christmas lights? apart from some people's irrational fear of their culture being attacked and suppressed by dirty foreigners, i really can't see the problem. big flashy lights, egg nog, tacky wrapping paper and santa are so far removed from religion already it doesn't even matter. maybe we should start defining "xmas" and "christmas" as completely seperate holidays, that way we can keep everyone happy.

The point is that there's no good reason to stop calling them Christmas lights. Sure we could call them something else....but why the heck should we. You're gonna have whingers no matter what you call them.

While we're at it, lets re-name everything else - cars, cotton wool, toothpicks, colonoscopies....just incase they might be interpreted the wrong way. What ever happened to common sense?

[scubahood]

People seem to be to bothered about offending people. Like the guy thats asking if its racist to call his white mates niggers of course its not cause they're not. If you find it funny keep on doing it. Its when some big black bloke called Tyrone kicks the shite into you that you stop

[The Peeps]

I'm offended by you. Explain to me how you think you can just deport people on a whim please.

I didn't say I would deport people on a whim, I'm just saying that if you go to live in a country then just respect the cultures and religions there.



Who wants to go to Italy and tell the Pope he offends other religions?

[mike-zim]

some time in the not too distant future

I went into town the other day and saw a great farther winter. i just love winter time. all the winter lights. Father winter was ofcourse at least 3ft away from any children animals or ethnic minority's after all we dont want him to look like an animal beater, child molester or racist.

i cant wait for winter festival day. so i can eat winter pudding & winter cake. of course in the southern hemisphere they have to wait another 6 months. they cant have winter festival in the middle of summer can they. they would have to wait till 25 june.

is this the world we want?

[The Peeps]

some time in the not too distant future

I went into town the other day and saw a great farther winter. i just love winter time. all the winter lights. Father winter was ofcourse at least 3ft away from any children animals or ethnic minority's after all we dont want him to look like an animal beater, child molester or racist.

i cant wait for winter festival day. so i can eat winter pudding & winter cake. of course in the southern hemisphere they have to wait another 6 months. they cant have winter festival in the middle of summer can they. they would have to wait till 25 june.

is this the world we want?

I don't get how these people that decide what's politically correct can think, hmmm Christmas a Christian religious holiday... it must be racist so let's call it winter festival instead!
What kind of narrow-minded fool thinks that?

[Herr Dark Wolf]

Imagine if they tried changing Ramadan? They would never do that.

[scubahood]

If we changed ramadan there'd be a spate of suicide bombings

[kopo]

I don't get how these people that decide what's politically correct can think, hmmm Christmas a Christian religious holiday... it must be racist so let's call it winter festival instead!
What kind of narrow-minded fool thinks that?
A left and green minded fool.

[AshMat]

Good, ive just been looking at my wonderufl winter presents under the winter tree. Shit g2g write all those winter cards.

BULLLLLLLLSHIT

This is a chrisitian country, always has always will. Eid lights can become october lights. You now what this is, it's trying to make the muslim extremists happy so that they don't bomb our cities anymore.

PC is the biggest BS i have sniffed in a long time and it's time that people (government) realised that more people are being pissed off than releived. No one ahs ever complained before.

And here's some racism for you, next time you watch a black rapper video, notice there are no white women in the vid, they'll all be black, call us racist? pfft NO

I saw a couple of black people walck past each other in town last week and one said to the other:
" Sayin nigga" is that not offensive?

[Blackfox]

Stop with the narrow minded racism.

Political correctness is often created by whites thinking that they will be doing a good job protecting the handful of people who might get offended. Probably by civil servants who have nothing else to do..

As far as i know, there have been very few cases when Muslims or people from any other religion have got offended over Christmas. Hell - I've even recieved Christmas cards of Muslims - they might not beleive in it, but they wish me well in celebrating..

So just quit the narrowmindedness. It might help to stop reading the Mail or Express and by binning those BNP leafets that get posted through your letterbox by those nice white skinheads.

[AshMat]

Is it racist to call albino kids translucent?

Edit: I heard a story of a white guy on holiday going right up to a black guy and saying:
"'ey up coon" now THAT is downright racism but apparently he didnt get a punch for saying that.. i would have done if i was him but w.e

[Arragaun]

I'd just like to point out here, the harsh yolk of political correctness seems not to affect any of you people, seeing as you're not PC at all, so quite complaining yeah?

[Raining_again]

Stop with the narrow minded racism.

Political correctness is often created by whites thinking that they will be doing a good job protecting the handful of people who might get offended. Probably by civil servants who have nothing else to do..

As far as i know, there have been very few cases when Muslims or people from any other religion have got offended over Christmas. Hell - I've even recieved Christmas cards of Muslims - they might not beleive in it, but they wish me well in celebrating..

So just quit the narrowmindedness. It might help to stop reading the Mail or Express and by binning those BNP leafets that get posted through your letterbox by those nice white skinheads.

yeah you got it right on the mark :)

Thing is.. some brits go to foreign countries and they love trying out the culture, doing things a bit different to the norm for them. Heck most of us have probably eaten chinese food at least once! We don't tell them to be PC and not have their culture. Why should our culture be beaten into a "safe" statement.

PC For teh Lose

[Athriller]

What annoys me more than anything is the whining of cultural decline due to foreigners and immigrants. Ok, sure, there's going to be the odd creature from afar who defies this system and law, but for every serpent, there's about a thousand albatross' laying their magic upon our economy.

Instead of using easy scape goats to frame for the decline of culture, how about we sort out our own fuckers before trying to cancelling out others. ASBOs, broken bus stops, brawls in the streets, drink binging in high demand, and 14 year old kids driving cars through the black lit night.

The decline of culture doesn't come about through the 'invasion' of foreigners, but the elevation of current dipshits.

[Nevahom]

have you ever considered being the first politicain who doesnt lie about the state of this country?

[Haver]

buying thick black rimmed specs

woah

we've been through this

[mario114]

yeah you got it right on the mark :)

Thing is.. some brits go to foreign countries and they love trying out the culture, doing things a bit different to the norm for them. Heck most of us have probably eaten chinese food at least once! We don't tell them to be PC and not have their culture. Why should our culture be beaten into a "safe" statement.

PC For teh Lose


Well said.

It's almost like we are not allowed a cutlure of our own, ie. st. georges day should so be a bank hoiliday.

If we changed ramadan there'd be a spate of suicide bombings

You are right, take that play which showed a muslim lady being treated badly there was massive out rage and it was instantly stopped, but take the complaints againt jerry springer the oppera (which is blashfomus aginat christ), on the news it siad over 50,000 people complained and it was still shown. ????

[scubahood]

[QUOTE=Athriller]Instead of using easy scape goats to frame for the decline of culture, how about we sort out our own fuckers before trying to cancelling out others. ASBOs, broken bus stops, brawls in the streets, drink binging in high demand, and 14 year old kids driving cars through the black lit night.

QUOTE]
Don't get me started on the "binge drinking problem" what gets me on this issue is they act as if it is a brand new problem. They need to get out more its been going on for sodding years.

[Lammie]

some time in the not too distant future

I went into town the other day and saw a great farther winter. i just love winter time. all the winter lights. Father winter was ofcourse at least 3ft away from any children animals or ethnic minority's after all we dont want him to look like an animal beater, child molester or racist.

i cant wait for winter festival day. so i can eat winter pudding & winter cake. of course in the southern hemisphere they have to wait another 6 months. they cant have winter festival in the middle of summer can they. they would have to wait till 25 june.

is this the world we want?

Ironically enough, didn't Christmas originate from a Pagan Winter festival or something like that?

[Herr Dark Wolf]

Yeah, when Christianity came, they decided to put Christmas on the same day.

[mike-zim]

ok so i have seen that people say that PC is not the cause of social decline. i would have to agree and disagree.

When the law was passed that parrents were not allows to discipline their children with a "smack" (i am not talking about beating a child i mean a smack on the backside every now and again when deserved) they said well look there is no social decline. there were people who said that it would cause social problems if the law was passed. but the emidiate effect was minor. now a fair few years later what do we have? youths running around stealing cars, breaking into house, beating up old people. how many of them have ever had a "smack" i would guess the minority. no values are instilled in them with out the reinforcement of punishment for doing wrong they spiral out of control.

Now couple that with the deminishment of culture, through 1 tool PC. the problem gets worse. people who once had their culture now without one will compound the problem.

I am not saying kick asian people out the country. i am not saying every one in this country should be forced to celebrate the same religiouse festivals. what i am saying is that no one should be forced to reduce the celebration or deny the existance of 1.

by calling Christmas lights winter lights it is the start and it started a while bak with black boards & white boards. stupid things but where next? what is the next step. because going on current trends they do something bigger next time. no one really took notice of fire signs changing, few people notices black boards, more people noticed winter lights. what next?

[Haver]

Fuck it.

Let's just kill any and all non-white, non-Christian, non-Middle Class people and then we won't have to deal with this issue of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS that PLAGUES our lives.

Seriously, have you ever been asked to change? You just read about it on the internet numnuts!

[mike-zim]

Fuck it.

Let's just kill any and all non-white, non-Christian, non-Middle Class people and then we won't have to deal with this issue of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS that PLAGUES our lives.

Seriously, have you ever been asked to change? You just read about it on the internet numnuts!

obviousely someone who has not read most of the posts on here.

and no we have never been ASKED to change. it would have been nice to have had the choice.

[Haver]

We haven't changed.

[scubahood]

Fuck it.

Let's just kill any and all non-white, non-Christian, non-Middle Class people and then we won't have to deal with this issue of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS that PLAGUES our lives.


Finally a good idea in this thread

[Woz]

What really pisses me off is when black people call each other 'nigga' it is fine, but no other race can. Isnt that also being racist to other races? I think so.

edit: I am white by the way, and I'll tell you a true story which happened the other day.
Me and my white friend( who happens to be quarter asian, but still is and looks white for some reason.) were walking down the corridor at college when we heard an asian dude say " I'm not racist, but I just dont like white people."
That is supposedly racist, but both me and my friend werent offended by it. I dont understand why people get offended when they get called a name like " you black bastered". Why dont people just say " yes that is my colour, and your point is exactly?"

maybe its just me.....

edit 2: I think this is the most i have ever typed on a post before. Yay :hehe:

[Haver]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger

[dukkadukka]

When the law was passed that parrents were not allows to discipline their children with a "smack" (i am not talking about beating a child i mean a smack on the backside every now and again when deserved) they said well look there is no social decline. there were people who said that it would cause social problems if the law was passed. but the emidiate effect was minor. now a fair few years later what do we have? youths running around stealing cars, breaking into house, beating up old people. how many of them have ever had a "smack" i would guess the minority. no values are instilled in them with out the reinforcement of punishment for doing wrong they spiral out of control.
right, so children who haven't been beaten, or had a "smack every once in a while" have no values? this thread gets more and more bizarre every time i read it.


p.s) haver, don't forget about women and homosexuals too :heh:

[mike-zim]

we are talking about the word Nigga not Nigger because they are totally different ask most people of african origin. i dont want to say black or i might get branded as a racist.

edit: i was talking about the reinforcement of values. what i am saying is that it is a contributing factor. i got a smack when i did thing that i shouldnt and i have never been in trouble with the police, i have never taken drugs, i am on my way to being a fully qualified accountant. so i do think it is a contributing factor

[Nevahom]

I personally dont believe that society on the whole has evolved. People are always saying "in this day and age", alot of the youth today has no respect for anything and so believe they can do anything. The police, schools and parents are being increasingly restrained and targetted for doing their job. The fact is the people fighting for the "rights" of the youth are being impaled on their own sword really. My Dad is 60 this year and he was strict when i was younger, but i see kids these days answering back, bullying and hitting their own parents, wtf is all that about, if i hit my mum, my dad would knock me into next week. I now understand why he did what he did. it wasnt excessive or regular, he just reinforced the fact that if i did something wrong then there are consequences.

There is no universal balance that the government can legislate, but they're not going to get anywhere if they ban all of theoptions that parents, teachers, police etc have.

[dukkadukka]

edit: i was talking about the reinforcement of values. what i am saying is that it is a contributing factor. i got a smack when i did thing that i shouldnt and i have never been in trouble with the police, i have never taken drugs, i am on my way to being a fully qualified accountant. so i do think it is a contributing factor
i know people who were abused as children and it fucked them up a hell of a lot more than not getting a smack does. it's pretty sad that some adults know no other way to discipline their children other than physical violence.

[mike-zim]

you obviously cant see where i am coming from so there is no point trying to explain it. for the record i was not talking about child abuse.

edit: navahom knows exactly the point i was trying to make thank you

[dukkadukka]

but where exactly does one draw the line? there have been cases before where parents/legal guardians have gotten away with child abuse because of the ambiguities of the law. it's great that you had parents that knew where discipline ended and abuse started, but not everyone is so privileged. you and many others in this thread seem to be speaking from a very precious middle-class perspective, seemingly unaware of the wonders the civil rights movements of the past century. your life may be a tiny smidgen harder but i doubt you've ever experienced anything like blacks, muslims or gays did before political correctness came to the fore. you need to rememeber that your inconvenience is nothing compared to that which the victims of the slave trade suffered.

[mike-zim]

1) is everything going to comeback to the slave trade? what are we meant to do? we can not change what happended back then. if we are to be held accountable for it then lets go back to when napolian was a tyrant and claim that the french owe us something.

2) i lived in a little country called Zimbabwe for 16years. some of you might have heard about White farmers being killed beaten and arrested because they were white. what was done about that? nothing. i know what it is like to be a target of intense racial abuse but because i was white and african as soon as i go to england i was branded as the racist.

Changing the names of things is not going to stop racism or anything else. this whole thread is about the rediculouse nature of the PC movement. i agree that some things were needed. but lets all live by the same rules.

funny how a white kid gets attacked by 3 asians and that is an assualt. reverse the situation and it is a racial attack. that is the problem.

PC is getting out of control. people should not be racist i agree. all religions must be respected i agree. men and women should have the same rights i agree. but how is changing Christmas lights to winter lights doing that?

[dukkadukka]

the slave trade is definitely something we should remember, and just because i'm disgusted at the racism that black people suffered does not mean i'm not shocked at what's happening in africa now. i think we all agree that political correctness can get out of hand, but i just don't think that we should therefore devalue the whole movement and forget all the good things that have come from it. basically the gist of my point is that it's silly for the white middle-class of britain to refuse to compromise some of their own rights when we have so greatly compromised the rights of so many others in our history. the abuses that others have suffered at our hands should not be forgotten, this is about more than just christmas lights.

[mike-zim]

No it is about christmas lights. that is what the thread is about. the rediculouse things that are coming out in the name of PC. i dont think 1 person who has posted here would disagree that the slave trade was wrong. but we can not be held accountable for things that happened over 100 years ago. look into african history. i tell you the same morals where inplace there as well. so should we tell a descendent of 1 tribe that they are accountable for the attrosities his/her ancestors committed over 150 years ago?

[dukkadukka]

you're twisting my point. we're not accountable, but we should never forget. pc is sometimes abused but there's no point even considering the possibility that it's heart isn't in the right place.

[mike-zim]

upon reading i suppose i did twist your point, just as mine was twisted about the children being "smacked", my appologies. but i have enjoyed the debate although we still disagree you are very intelligent with your argument.

[Nevahom]

As long as there is willingness to understand and respect, there will always be hope.

Human nature has always been the strongest and weakest point of us throughout history

[Nevahom]

Ive just bought my weekly newspaper:

http://www.cornishguardian.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=146866&command=displayContent&sourceNode=146864&contentPK=13677113&folderPk=83292

WTF

[mike-zim]

that really pisses me off. i say what should happen is yobs like that should be sentenced to 1 month of old style army training. if they come out and reoffend they should be sent back. the police need more power.

[Bowser57]

What really pisses me off is when black people call each other 'nigga' it is fine, but no other race can.

Tell me about it. In an ideal world you'd be free to call them exactly what you feel like calling them.

I get pissed off by people thinking bad of me when I want to use racial slurs too.

[Haden]

Oh man. When I was in Paris with some uni friends we were next door to these hot American girls. One nighty they invited us round for drinks. Anyway the conversation was all quite jovial and everything a cultural exchange if you will. Then one of the girls said something about wiggers. Me thinking I would come across as smart by informing this person were the phrase came from said "Oh yes those are white people who think they are niggers".

The room when silent and I literally couldn't believe what I said. Luckily instaed of thinking I was a member of the KKK she realised I was a silly englishman she sweetly said "We dont say that word in our country". Luckily the convosation moved on and the wine flowed. But my friends still remind me of that disaster. I wouldnt really blame that on political correctness as the word nigger is just nasty. I would blame it on alchol and myself :heh:

[Athriller]

This whole "why can't I say nigger" dispute is one of the stupidest arguments I've ever heard.

Feel free to say it if you want. I'm not going to stop you. But just think about:

1.) It's relative. It's seen as a perojative when used between contrasting persons, but there's a level of irony when said between those under the same conditions. Like it or not, it's true.

2.) Why would you want to say it? It's a stupid term regardless of who says it.

[Solo]

I saw on the news that in a christmas production of Snow White in London, they've replaced the dwarves with gnomes.

[Fierce_LiNk]

Fuck it.

Let's just kill any and all non-white, non-Christian, non-Middle Class people and then we won't have to deal with this issue of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS that PLAGUES our lives.

Seriously, have you ever been asked to change? You just read about it on the internet numnuts!


Actually, we have had to change. Quite frankly, i'm a little bit cheesed off. During a seminar, we were told words that we can and can't say. Examples of these being words like blackboard, brainstorm, and special needs. I come from a very multicultural area, and i've never heard anyone complaim about the word "blackboard".

I read an article about a week ago, where a priest was giving his views about political correctness in relevance to Christmas. The ideas behind calling Christmas lights "Winter Lights" are absurd. If Britain is so culturally and racially tolerant, then why change that? It's part of the Christian faith. Not the British faith. As a Muslim, i respect other people's traditions. By changing the name, i feel that this is denouncing certain elements of Christian tradition and history.

[Bowser57]

Actually, we have had to change. Quite frankly, i'm a little bit cheesed off. During a seminar, we were told words that we can and can't say. Examples of these being words like blackboard, brainstorm, and special needs. I come from a very multicultural area, and i've never heard anyone complaim about the word "blackboard".

And what will happen if you dare utter the word "blackboard" infront of anyone do you reckon?

Nothing at all.

Keep your panties on everyone. (Except the ladies! ... Oh Offerman, how we miss you so).

[Fierce_LiNk]

And what will happen if you dare utter the word "blackboard" infront of anyone do you reckon?

Nothing at all.

Keep your panties on everyone. (Except the ladies! ... Oh Offerman, how we miss you so).

It depends really. Ask me that question if we have an epileptic kid in the classroom, and whose parents do get uptight about these words. School inspectors are also a possibilty. It does happen. I have actually seen this happen, and it's nothing short of censorship. In the 2 schools i've gone into for my placements, i've seen extremely cautious teachers who try and take great care about what they say and how they say it. Whether or not we do get told off about it is really not the most important thing here. It's the process. We're effectively being taught what we can and can't say.

[Bowser57]

It depends really. Ask me that question if we have an epileptic kid in the classroom

I'm pretty sure it won't trigger a fit. But I'm no doctor. Give it a try anyhow!

[Fierce_LiNk]

I'm pretty sure it won't trigger a fit. But I'm no doctor. Give it a try anyhow!

Nice. :indeed:

Anyway, i wouldn't personally blame people for being a bit wound up about all this political correction.

[BlueStar]

Most of this political correctness stuff is just made up anyway. "They've banned people from saying Merry Christmas", "You're not allowed to say blackboard". Who's they? My housemate, 2 friends and both my parents are teachers, no-one's ever told them not to say blackboard. That whole "Natwest have banned piggy banks to avoid offending Muslims" story was a big porkie as well. But people just eat it up and take it as gospel along with "Asylum seekers eat our donkeys"

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1494636.htm

[scubahood]

Asylum seekers take are jobs, at the least the ones that get off their arses and don't live off of us do that. Either way we all lose out. GET RID OF THEM!!

[Haden]

Of course people may use political correctness as an excuse to be racist. But what also annoys me are Gaurdian (or Independent, in fact espcially Indepndent) readers who mock or are hostile to those who are concerned about political corectness. And yes boys and girls in this case genralising a newspaper demographic to hold a certian opinion is quite correct :wink:

[Haver]

Of course people may use political correctness as an excuse to be racist. But what also annoys me are Gaurdian (or Independent, in fact espcially Indepndent) readers who mock or are hostile to those who are concerned about political corectness. And yes boys and girls in this case genralising a newspaper demographic to hold a certian opinion is quite correct :wink:

There's really no need to be concerned though, is there? It's a non-existent entity outside boardrooms and local Conservative associations.

I went there!

[KKOB]

a couple a years ago they tried renaming Christmas 'winterfest' in birmingham-what a pile of b*****ks! more recently people have also tried renaming 'man made fibres' 'person made fibres' and in another christmas related showing of PC gone way too far-people in birmingham again have tried to stop christmas decorations etc by claiming it insults the Islamic faith!

this world is crazy!!!

karl

[Haver]

Winterfest!

Yes! I think this move should be uniform.

[Blackfox]

Asylum seekers take are jobs, at the least the ones that get off their arses and don't live off of us do that. Either way we all lose out. GET RID OF THEM!!

Did the Daily Mail tell you that? Its wrong.

Immigrants put 10% more into a country than they take out.

Asylum seekers are often grateful for any work, and they are given vouchers to use, not cash, off the government to survive.

[KKOB]

asylum seekers also get grants from the government which some of them use to buy new cars etc!

its just plain annoying that we have to allow people here when we have problems with our own population e.g homeless people etc

karl

[Haver]

Yeah, they're taking us for a ride!

[KKOB]

lmao!!!
just brilliant mate! lol

you should have you own show! hehe

[Jack]

Asylum seekers take are jobs, at the least the ones that get off their arses and don't live off of us do that. Either way we all lose out. GET RID OF THEM!!
You must be mistaken - it says "revolution europe" at the top, not "BNP". Let's dispel a few myths, eh?

1. Asylum seekers take our jobs!

No, they don't. They don't hide behind bushes, jump people and take the keys to their office. Apart from anything else, asylum seekers aren't allowed to work for the first twelve months they spend in the UK. They have to rely on state support, which for them is a third below the usual level of income support. If they do have a job at that point, the company that employs them is breaking the law and they are at fault for not checking the asylum seeker's background.

2. Asylum seekers live off the state!

As I mentioned earlier, state support for asylum seekers is cut from the regular level. The weekly rates are as follows:

NASS pays the following amounts to asylum seekers who qualify:

Couple £61.11

Lone parent aged 18 or over £38.96

Person aged 25 or over 38.96

Person aged 18-24 30.84

Child 16-17 (except as a qualifying member of a couple) 33.50

Child under 16 42.27

Source here (http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind/en/home/applying/asylum_applications/questions_you_might.textonly.html).

Would you really want to live on £40 a week? Do you call that a life of luxury? I certainly don't. That doesn't even cover rent for a small flat in most places, and that's before supplies like food.

3. We all lose out!

Not a chance. This country owes a great debt to immigration. There was a great deficit of workers in the 1960s, and most of the shortfall was made up by immigrant workers. Most of the jobs taken by asylum seekers are low paid, unskilled work. Street cleaners, bar work, hospital workers, etc. Basically all the jobs that most people think they're too good for. Get rid of immigrants working in those fields, and I guarantee you'd notice the difference immediately.

The easy option would simply have been to post "fuck off", but I'm a very thorough gentleman.

[Kurtle Squad]

You must be mistaken - it says "revolution europe" at the top, not "BNP". Let's dispel a few myths, eh?

1. Asylum seekers take our jobs!

No, they don't. They don't hide behind bushes, jump people and take the keys to their office. Apart from anything else, asylum seekers aren't allowed to work for the first twelve months they spend in the UK. They have to rely on state support, which for them is a third below the usual level of income support. If they do have a job at that point, the company that employs them is breaking the law and they are at fault for not checking the asylum seeker's background.

2. Asylum seekers live off the state!

As I mentioned earlier, state support for asylum seekers is cut from the regular level. The weekly rates are as follows:

NASS pays the following amounts to asylum seekers who qualify:

Couple £61.11

Lone parent aged 18 or over £38.96

Person aged 25 or over 38.96

Person aged 18-24 30.84

Child 16-17 (except as a qualifying member of a couple) 33.50

Child under 16 42.27

Source here (http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind/en/home/applying/asylum_applications/questions_you_might.textonly.html).

Would you really want to live on £40 a week? Do you call that a life of luxury? I certainly don't. That doesn't even cover rent for a small flat in most places, and that's before supplies like food.

3. We all lose out!

Not a chance. This country owes a great debt to immigration. There was a great deficit of workers in the 1960s, and most of the shortfall was made up by immigrant workers. Most of the jobs taken by asylum seekers are low paid, unskilled work. Street cleaners, bar work, hospital workers, etc. Basically all the jobs that most people think they're too good for. Get rid of immigrants working in those fields, and I guarantee you'd notice the difference immediately.

The easy option would simply have been to post "fuck off", but I'm a very thorough gentleman.

They still take up space!!!....Or have you not noticed the lack of housing?!?...And I think it isn't really just asylum seekers that he's talking about.
I'm sure he includes Illegal immagrants that are then not deported etc.....If you haven't noticed this county is a pushover, It should get far tougher with Immigration and a lot of the the EU's (and UNs) shitter policies.

I also find that BNP remark rather offencive!!

[Haden]

There's really no need to be concerned though, is there? It's a non-existent entity outside boardrooms and local Conservative associations.

But but I'm a supporter of New Labour. And we are very different to the Tories. Just today I read about a leading cabinet member bad mouthing the education reforms. Oh no wait that was John Prescott... the Deputy PM. :wink:

[scubahood]

You can tell the bloody asylum seekers are grateful for work they've always got a bloody great grin on their faces. Bet they're smiling about how much they rob from us cheeky bloody sods. All they're good for in my book is kebabs

[Jack]

They still take up space!!!....Or have you not noticed the lack of housing?!?...And I think it isn't really just asylum seekers that he's talking about.
I'm sure he includes Illegal immagrants that are then not deported etc.....If you haven't noticed this county is a pushover, It should get far tougher with Immigration and a lot of the the EU's (and UNs) shitter policies.
I don't deny that the immigration situation in this country needs a good looking over, but I don't think it warrants a "send them all back" attitude.

I also find that BNP remark rather offencive!!
Why? His post sounded identical to BNP rhetoric.

[Fierce_LiNk]

This thread is starting to border on..what's the word?...Racism?

Knock it off.

[Jack]

You can tell the bloody asylum seekers are grateful for work they've always got a bloody great grin on their faces. Bet they're smiling about how much they rob from us cheeky bloody sods. All they're good for in my book is kebabs
I think I'm pretty much done with this topic. I don't think I want to bother wasting my time on deaf ears. If you engage in a decent debate with well constructed points, I'd be glad to continue. However, if all we're going to see is sub-Daily Sun level racism, I'll spend my time more constructively by hammering nails into my dick.

[dukkadukka]

oh my god what the hell has happened to this thread? if the views presented in the last page are the alternative to political correctness then i am all for the winterfest. i'm disappointed in some of you :(

[Mr_Odwin]

I don't think this thread has anything more to offer, which is a shame. It could've been a mature discussion but some people are acting like idiots/are idiots. I'm looking at you scubahood.