View Full Version : Nintendo Earnings Result: 24.45m Wii & 70.60m DS
Dante
24-04-2008, 04:20 PM
GBA (all versions): 81.06m
NA: 41.64m
Japan: 16.88m
Other: 22.53m
Gamecube: 21.74m
NA: 12.94m
Japan: 4.04m
Other: 4.77m
Should be the final numbers for both.
Current hardware LTD:
NDS: 70.60m
NA: 22.39m
Japan: 22.38m
Other: 25.82m
Wii: 24.45m
NA: 10.61m
Japan: 5.90m
Other: 7.94m
Wii Forecast for the next FY: 25m
DS Forecast for the next FY: 28m
Wii Software forecast for the next FY: 177m
DS software forecast for the next FY: 187m
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl: 14.77 million
Brain Age 1 and 2 (combined): 23.81 million
DS has 57 million-selling games (LTD). As of last year, there were 30.
Wii has 26 million-selling games.
Smash Bros Brawl: 4.85 million as of March 31
Nintendo has reported its full year financial results, with a strong showing on the back of high sales figures, as expected.
The company saw sales jump 73 per cent across the fiscal year, while operating income was up 115.6 per cent and profit up 47.7 per cent.
Total sales therefore amounted to JPY 1.67 trillion (USD 16.1 billion), with profit hitting JPY 257 billion (USD 2.48 billion), fuelled by the sales of over 30 million Nintendo DS consoles, and almost 19 million Wii consoles.
DS titles Pokemon Diamond and Pearl shifted almost 10 million units between them, while the Brain Training titles hit almost 12 million. Wii Fit and Super Smash Bros Brawl featured highly on the Wii titles list.
But despite the strong results, the company has only forecast only a 7.6 per cent increase in sales for the next fiscal year, to JPY 1.8 trillion (USD 17.3 billion), with a 26.3 per cent rise to JPY 325 billion (USD 3.13 billion) in profits.
One of the key reasons for the modest forecast is down to overarching economic conditions, with a strengthening Yen expected to hit Nintendo's numbers in the next year, thanks to over 80 per cent of company income coming outside of Japan.
www.nintendo.co.jp (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/index.html)
FY* Sony** Nintendo Microsoft
1998 974,000,000 629,000,000
1999 1,130,000,000 645,000,000
2000 730,000,000 421,000,000
2001 -409,000,000 726,000,000
2002 623,000,000 800,000,000 -750,000,000
2003 939,000,000 560,000,000 -1,191,000,000
2004 650,000,000 316,000,000 -1,215,000,000
2005 404,000,000 777,000,000 -485,000,000
2006 75,000,00 894,000,000 -1,262,000,000
2007 -1,969,000,000 1,489,000,000 -1,892,000,000
2008 -965,000,000 2,480,000,000 532,000,000
Totals 2,182,000,000 9,737,000,000 -6,263,000,000
Hellfire
24-04-2008, 04:27 PM
It's official, games don't sell on Wii.
Goron_3
24-04-2008, 04:57 PM
It's official, games don't sell on Wii.
Ah, the fanboys come rolling in to defend their precious console.
It would be nice to get a list of the million sellers...I'd imagine some of the games on that list to be crap like carnival nights lol.
Dante
24-04-2008, 05:05 PM
Ah, the fanboys come rolling in to defend their precious console.
It would be nice to get a list of the million sellers...I'd imagine some of the games on that list to be crap like carnival nights lol.
Wii Million Sellers
01 Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (Nintendo)
02 Carnival Games (2K)
03 Dragonball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (Bandai/Atari)
04 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Activision)
05 Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga (Lucasarts)
06 Link's Crossbow Training (Nintendo)
07 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega/Nintendo)
08 Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)
09 Mario Strikers Charged (Nintendo)
10 Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Nintendo)
11 MySims (EA)
12 Pokemon Battle Revolution (Pokemon/Nintendo)
13 Rayman Raving Rabbids (Ubisoft)
14 Red Steel (Ubisoft)
15 Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition (Capcom)
16 Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (Capcom)
17 Sonic and the Secret Rings (Sega)
18 Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo)
19 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz (Sega)
20 Super Paper Mario (Nintendo)
21 Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo)
22 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
23 WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
24 Wii Fit (Nintendo)
25 Wii Play (Nintendo)
26 Wii Sports (Nintendo)
DS Million Sellers
1. Pokemon Diamond
2. Pokemon Pearl
3. Brain Age
4. Brain Age 2
5. New Super Mario Bros
6. Animal Crossing Wild World
7. English Training
8. Mario Party DS
9. Big Brain Academy
10. Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker
11. Final Fantasy III
12. Zelda: PH
13. WarioWare: Touched!
14. Dragon Quest IV
15. Kirby Squeak Squad
16. Super Mario 64 Ds
17. Love and Berry
18. Yoshi's Island DS
19. Professor Layton 1
20. Flash Focus
21. Tamagotchi Corner Shop
22. Tetris DS
23. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team
24. Common Knowledge Training
25. Pokemon Ranger
26. Mario Hoops 3 on 3
27. Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
28. Nintendogs Daschund
29. Nintendogs Labrador
30. Nintendogs Chihuahua
31. Nintendogs Dalmatians
32. Nintendogs Best Friends
33. Clubhouse Games
34. Cooking Mama
35. Mario Kart DS
36. Sonic Rush
37. MySims
38. Mario & Sonic at the Olympics
39. The Sims 2 Pets
40. Zoo Tycoon
41. Super Princess Peach
42. Lego Star Wars Complete Saga
43. Diddy Kong Racing
44. The Sims 2
45. Spectrobes
46. Mario vs Donkey Kong 2
tapedeck
24-04-2008, 05:30 PM
02. Carnival Games (2K)
Carnival Games isn't exactly the worst example of a title on Wii. I think it gets too much slander. Sure it's not EPIC!!!!! But it's a great party title that does a lot of things right. It's just that it does a lot of things wrong too. Believe me, there are far worse titles on wii. It's just that this "crud" or "Carnival Nights" (as it was called a few posts back) has sold rather amazingly...And doesn't that always happen on a console? There is always that one piece of software which sells amazingly well when perhaps it shouldn't of. Same goes for Okami etc...they were expected to do well but never.
Zelda_Rulez
24-04-2008, 06:34 PM
Didn't know MySims sold a million, and on DS as well.
D_prOdigy
24-04-2008, 06:49 PM
03 Dragonball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (Bandai/Atari)
...
05 Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga (Lucasarts)
My life just got a little bit happier.
system_error
24-04-2008, 06:57 PM
With all those sales and piles of money Nintendo should really start subsidize the Wii a lot more. Even casuals notice that a Wii costs 60€ more than a 360 - and they go for the cheaper alternative not the more innovative one. So if Nintendo should like to continue with awsome sales they better lower the price of the Wii to 149€ AND take the bitter pill in losing some money on the console.
Goron_3
24-04-2008, 07:02 PM
Some of those games don't even deserve to sell half a million..hm
Capcom sales are pleasing though...shame all we're getting atm is Resi 0 *sigh* (thankgod that's japan only). REAL shame No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki didn't sell a million. It's the fact that the sales of these new IPs which are aimed at the hardcore (to an extent) which are making developers worried about investing in the wii.
Dante
24-04-2008, 07:17 PM
With all those sales and piles of money Nintendo should really start subsidize the Wii a lot more. Even casuals notice that a Wii costs 60€ more than a 360 - and they go for the cheaper alternative not the more innovative one. So if Nintendo should like to continue with awsome sales they better lower the price of the Wii to 149€ AND take the bitter pill in losing some money on the console.
The Wii keeps selling non-stop rate because it is the must innovative one and no really going to noticed that 360 is cheaper now.
Deathjam
24-04-2008, 07:21 PM
Initially price would have made a difference. But now, word of mouth is carrying the message that wii is a fun new experience that anyone of any age can play. Plus with the strong marketing campaign behind wii fit, the wii is destined to keep on selling. Until the PS3 reaches the price of the wii, I think the machine can stay at the price it is.
Tellyn
24-04-2008, 07:29 PM
Ah, the fanboys come rolling in to defend their precious console.
Can we have a thread in Wii Discussion that doesn't involve people who now dislike Nintendo chipping away at those who like them?
Nicktendo
24-04-2008, 07:40 PM
FY* Sony** Nintendo Microsoft
1998 974,000,000 629,000,000
1999 1,130,000,000 645,000,000
2000 730,000,000 421,000,000
2001 -409,000,000 726,000,000
2002 623,000,000 800,000,000 -750,000,000
2003 939,000,000 560,000,000 -1,191,000,000
2004 650,000,000 316,000,000 -1,215,000,000
2005 404,000,000 777,000,000 -485,000,000
2006 75,000,00 894,000,000 -1,262,000,000
2007 -1,969,000,000 1,489,000,000 -1,892,000,000
2008 -965,000,000 2,480,000,000 532,000,000
Totals 2,182,000,000 9,737,000,000 -6,263,000,000
Micro$oft drop out of the console race already [/hint]
Ashley
24-04-2008, 08:22 PM
It's official, games don't sell on Wii.
Mhm its strange, people seem to be fine with just a few.
(personally I own 22)
Jamba
24-04-2008, 08:35 PM
Micro$oft drop out of the console race already [/hint]
Yes cos of course, making an increase in their porfit figures by over $2.5bn is the perfect reason for them to drop out. It's obvious... :indeed:
system_error
24-04-2008, 09:59 PM
I own about 15 Wii games but I am a hardcore gamer - those low numbers are because the casual gamer is happy with Wii Sports for a long time. Playing only a few times a week the game doesn't wear off as fast. In my case I could need a good game every month or even often in holidays or when I have more time.
I still believe that not only the initial success was due to a lower price but will be even more important in the next XMAS season. Only selling consoles is not enough to be successfull - games are still more important.
Hellfire
24-04-2008, 10:09 PM
Ah, the fanboys come rolling in to defend their precious console.
It would be nice to get a list of the million sellers...I'd imagine some of the games on that list to be crap like carnival nights lol.
Ah the trolls come imediatly to attack others and call them fanboys the cycle is complete.
They could even be shit spread on a disc (literally), it just proves that people who say that games don't sell on Wii are wrong
Goron_3
24-04-2008, 10:43 PM
Can we have a thread in Wii Discussion that doesn't involve people who now dislike Nintendo chipping away at those who like them?
I love nintendo. But sometimes people say the funniest things.
I wonder if Ninjabread Man or whatever is close to a million sales...
Hellfire
24-04-2008, 11:09 PM
I love nintendo. But sometimes people say the funniest things.
I wonder if Ninjabread Man or whatever is close to a million sales...
I would have to agree.
DazzeL
25-04-2008, 12:14 AM
Actually, what shocks me in that list is the amount of good to very good titles in there. Given the doom and glow we're constantly fed about low Wii attach-rates I'm pretty glad. Sure a few casual games, and a few poor casual games, are in there but that's to be expected - check out ps2 last gen.
The Lillster
25-04-2008, 12:39 AM
sorry what does hardware LTD stand for?
McPhee
25-04-2008, 01:24 AM
It's official, games don't sell on Wii.
Well looking at the figures they don't.
Nintendo expect to sell another 25 Million Wii's this year, bringing the number up to almost 50 Million. They expect to sell 177 Million games. They expect each Wii owner to buy a mere 3 games in the next 12 months, they obviously aren't that confident about software sales themselves (unless that 177 Million is just Nintendo's own games? Im not sure)
It also shows why developers are so apprehensive about making Wii games aimed at the "hardcore" audience. The only game to shift over a million that isn't liscenced or mini-games is Red Steel. A single game out of 26. It's an expensive proposition, especially when you consider that No More Heroes, Zak and Wiki, NiGHTS and similar games cost a lot more to make than most of the games on the Million Seller list...
Hellfire
25-04-2008, 01:31 AM
It also shows why developers are so apprehensive about making Wii games aimed at the hardcore audience. The only game to shift over a million that isn't liscenced or mini-games is Red Steel. A single game out of 26.
So if it's not a new IP or if it's a party game, it doesn't count? Now you're just grasping at straws.
EDIT: We know that with this many Wiis, lots of owners are "casual" gamers and with so few good 3rd party games or new IPs, it's normal this happens. It's a low attach rate yes, and it's a shame that there aren't some more original million sellers in there, but 26 million sellers in 1 year and a half in a console that's so different from before is great no matter how you look at it.
I do agree that developers are still aprehensive about the core audience and I'm hoping we'll see more change.
EDIT2: Z&W cost very little to do and was a success according to Capcom's folks in the forums. It deserved to sell gazillions yes, but it still had good sales. NMH is too recent and tbh, we all knew it wouldn't sell much, despite being Suda's best selling game yet.
McPhee
25-04-2008, 01:40 AM
So if it's not a new IP or if it's a party game, it doesn't count? Now you're just grasping at straws.
Sounds like your the one that's grasping. You've completely dodged all my points and tried to point the finger of fanboyism. Again.
I said those titles don't sell, not that they "don't count". Im not even 100% certain by what you mean when you say they "don't count" :hmm:
Hellfire
25-04-2008, 01:53 AM
I didn't dodge them, I answered them in the edit lol
Also, stop with fanboyism stuff, it's getting anoying, if I didn't back my posts up, OK, but I do.
You want to prove your point about devs being aprehensive to make "hardcore" games. This point is true. However, to prove so you just take every non-lincensed game out of the list and make it seem like no "hardcore" games sell, because I see 16 or so (hard to say what's casual or not these days lol) in that list. That's what I meant, don't know how you interpreted that way, but there, I expanded on the logic.
That's 16 core games and 10 casual games. See the difference from this point of view?
The main problem here is that Wii is obviously marketed at Nintendo fans and gets the additional sales due to the innovation and "casual" factor, meaning that without good marketing, new core IPs cant sell. And marketing is a big part of sales. Sonic and RE already have their fans, no marketing needed, Z&W had very very poor marketing, but fortunately it sold enough for Capcom to be minimally pleased. No More Heroes as usual from Suda, zero marketing. Kinda hard to sell if they don't try hard, then it's easy to say "We can't compete against Nintendo games." I wonder how Okami will do considering their very low budget for marketing, low fan base and the fact that there's already a ps2 version. Although that with a team of 8 people at its peak I doubt they'll need a lot of sales to make profit lol.
Edit:
USA Tie-In ratios:
Xbox 360:7.5
Wii:5.3
PS3:4.6
Higher than I thought.
Shino
25-04-2008, 02:43 AM
I love the arguments, I want to see this numbers compared to other consoles. You can't accuse people of fanboyism when all you say is "oh its either Nintendo games or shitty games". What sold so well on Xbox360 or the PS3 for people to start accusing Nintendo?
And its not like developers have been trying a lot, just a few honourable mentions.
Edit: I knew it, fucking top of the page... I don't like attention over my illiterate rantings.
Zelda_Rulez
25-04-2008, 08:58 AM
sorry what does hardware LTD stand for?
Life to Date, so basically the total sales till now.
Maiky-NiSuTe
25-04-2008, 09:47 AM
There was a old topic about this ( http://www.n-europe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15090&highlight=wiilionare ) but yeah Nintendo is urning big bucks!!
seamus_aran
25-04-2008, 11:34 AM
25m in the next year?
So 50m by this time next year for Wii...
Thats a lot of consoles, console-generation winning form...
Dante
25-04-2008, 12:36 PM
Some Ltds.:
DS
Nintendogs - 18.67m
Pokémon Diamond/Perl - 14.77m
New Super Mario Bros. - 14.16m
Brain Age - 12.98m
Brain Age 2 - 10.83m
Mario Kart DS - 10.45m
Animal Crossing: Wild World - 9.53m
Super Mario 64 DS - 6.12m
Big Brain Acadmey - 5.01m
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass - 4.13m
Mario Parts DS - 3.62m
Yoshi´s Island DS - 2.91m
Pokémon Ranger - 2.70m
Flash Focus - 2.52m
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2 - 1.58m
Wii:
Wii Sports - 21.56m
Wii Play - 11.51m
Super Mario Galaxy - 6.10m
Mario Party 8 - 4.86m
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 4.85m
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 4.52m
Super Paper Mario - 2.28m
Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree - 2.26m
WiiFit - 1.85m
Mario Strikers Charged - 1.77m
Link´s Crossbow Training - 1.71m
Metroid Prime 3 Corruption - 1.31m
They're forecasting 25 million Wiis for next fiscal year. That means more than double what they sold now. Holy crap.
Nintendogs has sold 18 times as much as Metroid Prime 3. There is no justice.
McPhee
25-04-2008, 04:04 PM
I didn't dodge them, I answered them in the edit lol
To be fair mate i wrote my post 4 minutes before you did your edit. The original was pretty moronic.
I pretty much agree with everything in the edit and the last post though. Very interesting figures these, shows a lot about the Wii and how it sells.
Hellfire
25-04-2008, 04:16 PM
Nintendogs has sold 18 times as much as Metroid Prime 3. There is no justice.
Indeed :/
To be fair mate i wrote my post 4 minutes before you did your edit. The original was pretty moronic.
I pretty much agree with everything in the edit and the last post though. Very interesting figures these, shows a lot about the Wii and how it sells.
Yeah I understand that, but what I sais in my first unedited post is obvious and I don't know how you didn't understand it. But, what matters is that in the end, the love came through.
SHOW THE DON SOME LOVE! :heart:
McPhee
25-04-2008, 05:23 PM
http://www.withlovegifts.co.uk/cache/love-gifts-sterling-silver-hallmarked-love-heart-sweet-5009302-0.jpg
Tellyn
25-04-2008, 05:28 PM
Nintendogs outsold Brawl, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy combined. Where is your god now?
Hellfire
25-04-2008, 06:02 PM
http://www.iupui.edu/graphics/inside/060210/hearts_640.jpg
Shiny graphics from Neo Gaf!
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/080425/slide_l/img/41.jpg
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/080425/slide_l/img/42.jpg
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http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/080425/slide_l/img/45.jpg
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/080425/slide_l/img/46.jpg
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/080425/slide_l/img/47.jpg
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/080425/slide_l/img/48.jpg
Tellyn
25-04-2008, 06:22 PM
Wait... third parties complain about their games not selling on Nintendo systems?
Goron_3
25-04-2008, 06:26 PM
Wait... third parties complain about their games not selling on Nintendo systems?
You can't really compare games like Mario and Sonic and shit like that that sells well to big games 3rd parties want to make can you?
Look at the DS, it's mostly 3rd parties now and that's evident by the fact that the only good games coming up this year that we know of are Ace Attourney and erm, Mystery Dungeon 2...
Hellfire
25-04-2008, 07:01 PM
DQ Monster Joker, DQ IX, FFIV, Fire Emblem, Chibi Robo, Kirby, Nanostray 2, Perfect Prosecutor, Rondo of Swords, FF:TA 2, Trauma Center, Sonic Chronicles, Band Brothers 2, etc Mind you I have no idea when these come out and sine I import everything I don't care about EU dates, but these are at the top of my head and I'm pretty sure there are lots more coming.
I also don't see where you're getting at with your post.
Goron_3
25-04-2008, 08:16 PM
DQ Monster Joker, DQ IX, FFIV, Fire Emblem, Chibi Robo, Kirby, Nanostray 2, Perfect Prosecutor, Rondo of Swords, FF:TA 2, Trauma Center, Sonic Chronicles, Band Brothers 2, etc Mind you I have no idea when these come out and sine I import everything I don't care about EU dates, but these are at the top of my head and I'm pretty sure there are lots more coming.
I also don't see where you're getting at with your post.
In that list of games the ones that are most interesting are...erm....Fire emblem and trauma centre, and that's pusshing it, because i LOVE TC but it's hardly a big game. Oh, and Joker is already out.
And my post basically means that 3rd parties are basically thinking 'well, we COULD make a big epic game on wii, but we might aswell make a party compilation'. You can't really blame them, because unless it's a nintendo game or part of the main series (RE4 for example), they're better off saving money and making a party game (Carnival games for example) and they're pretty sure to make more money.
Tellyn
25-04-2008, 09:45 PM
In that list of games the ones that are most interesting are...erm....Fire emblem and trauma centre, and that's pusshing it, because i LOVE TC but it's hardly a big game. Oh, and Joker is already out.
And my post basically means that 3rd parties are basically thinking 'well, we COULD make a big epic game on wii, but we might aswell make a party compilation'. You can't really blame them, because unless it's a nintendo game or part of the main series (RE4 for example), they're better off saving money and making a party game (Carnival games for example) and they're pretty sure to make more money.
Why not? Games like Zack and Wiki would sell more than 10 copies if third parties put effort into their titles and produced similarly innovative and fresh games.
Goron_3
25-04-2008, 10:08 PM
Why not? Games like Zack and Wiki would sell more than 10 copies if third parties put effort into their titles and produced similarly innovative and fresh games.
The sales of Zack & Wiki have nothing to do with big name developers...it's just that most wii owners are people playing it casually (well, certaining a big % of wii owners anyway). Hardly any wii owners are interested in that type of game.
If more big 3rd party games came out for wii, more hardcore games would buy the console and games like Z&W would probably sell more, but it's got to a point where it's difficult for developers to commit because they don't really know where the Wii is going right now.
Jamba
25-04-2008, 10:13 PM
but it's got to a point where it's difficult for developers to commit because they don't really know where the Wii is going right now.
I think that's a pretty fair comment. But they still need to understand that they will be part of that picture.
Hardly any wii owners are interested in that type of game.Get out. This forum, and each gaming forum on the internet is filled with those Wii owners. Z&W sold quite well, not much, but well enough. It would've been a cult hit on any given console anyway, and the Wii gave it a solid base.it's got to a point where it's difficult for developers to commit because they don't really know where the Wii is going right now.You mean other than a ridicilously huge installed base?
It's damn clear where the Wii is heading, but there's such a disgusting air of conservatism in the Wii development community :sad:
Hellfire
26-04-2008, 12:59 AM
Look man, if you don't like the games, it's due to your taste, lots of great games are coming out for the DS, if you don't like them or choose to ignore them because it makes you sleep better it's not Nintendo's fault.
IF developers don't make an effort, they won't sell, it's as simple as that. We know that casual games have it easy for now, so if a dev does a good core game, market it well and it will do it's job hopefully.
Difficult to see where it's going? Indeed it is, you know who's in charge of changing that? 3rd parties. Nintendo is releasing core and casual games, they have VC and WiiWare up, now it's up to 3rd parties to make sure that we get to see PS360 multiplatform titles coming to Wii too and more exclusive games with effort put behind it.
It's also very funny that you say that most Wii players are casual, when out of the supposed list of 26 million sellers (the list might not be accurate), 16 are "hardcore". It's kinda hard to say for sure that most players prefer this or that though, but these numbers serve as a little help.
darksnowman
26-04-2008, 12:59 AM
Z&W is a great game, but it would have been a risk on any of the current systems. Being a cutesy game means it would have probably flopped all the more on Xbox360 and PS3- and I don't think its been an utter failure on Wii. If it was an old tried and tested, billion selling series that they brought to Wii which then subsequently sold poorly, then you could say something is up. But the odds were always stacked against Zacko- cutesy, not casual, new franchise... not your game for the "typical" Wii demographic.
Oh, Nintendogs rocked and deserves its success. (Not that the games don't, but you make it sound like stuff such as Nintendogs and all are crap.)
McPhee
26-04-2008, 02:24 AM
So what would the plan be then forum users? Publishers plough tons of cash in to hardcore games on the Wii in order to try and change the fanbase? Then what? They sit back and pray their money isn't wasted?
Where do they get the man-power to do these games? Do they use the crap studios that they're currently making churn out mini-game compiliations? Or do they pull good resources away from Xbox 360, PS3 and PC games? If they use the former then the games will likely turn out crap. If they use the latter then they're taking a further risk by reducing output on the more "hardcore" focussed platforms.
Publishing Houses are businesses. They'll publish the games where they know they will sell, testing other markets with the occasional game to make sure they aren't missing out on the big money. The Wii is the polar opposite of the Xbox 360. You guys are the minority, in the same way that casual gamers are the minority on the Xbox 360. No More Heroes is to the Wii what Scene It! is to the Xbox 360, an experiment to see if there's a potential new market.
Shino
26-04-2008, 02:43 AM
Wouldn't it be cheaper to make an hardcore game that takes full potential of the Wii then port it for the 360, than making one solely for 360? That would be awesome.
Anyway its not like hardcore games don't sell on Wii, just that a lot of casual do too. And of course the hardcore games seem to sell better on 360, because there's no casual games to counter those values.
And I would HARDLY call anything made by Suda51 as something capable of market testing.
Dante
26-04-2008, 04:56 PM
World total TOP50 by game console
01. [NES] Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 40.24m
02. [GB] Pokémon: Red and Blue (Nintendo) - 31.37m
03. [GB] Tetris (Nintendo) - 30.26m
04. [NES] NES Zapper: Duck Hunt (Nintendo) - 28.31m
05. [GB] Pokémon: Gold and Silver (Nintendo) - 23.10m
06. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 21.56m
07. [SNES] Super Mario World (Nintendo) - 20.61m
08. [NDS] Nintendogs (Nintendo) - 18.67m
09. [GB] Super Mario Land (Nintendo) - 18.10m
10. [NES] Super Mario Bros. 3 (Nintendo) - 17.28m
11. [GBA] Pokémon: Ruby and Sapphire (Nintendo) - 15.14m
12. [PS2] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (Rockstar Games) - 14.88m
13. [PS2] Gran Turismo 3 A-SPEC (SCE) - 14.84m
14. [NDS] Pokémon: Diamond and Pearl(Nintendo) - 14.77m
15. [GB] Pokémon: Special Pikachu Edition(Nintendo) - 14.64m
16. [PS2] Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (Rockstar Games) - 14.20m
17. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros.(Nintendo) - 14.16m
18. [NDS] Brain Age (Nintendo) - 12.98m
19. [N64] Super Mario 64 (Nintendo) - 11.91m
20. [PS2] Grand Theft Auto Ⅲ (Rockstar Games) - 11.60m
21. [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo) - 11.51m
22. [GB] Super Mario Land 2 (Nintendo) - 11.18m
23. [GBA] Pokémon: FireRed and LeafGreen (Nintendo) - 11.00m
24. [PS] Gran Turismo (SCE) - 10.85m
25. [NDS] Brain Age 2 (Nintendo) - 10.83m
26. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) - 10.45m
27. [N64] Mario Kart 64 (Nintendo) - 9.87m
28. [PS] Final Fantasy VII (Square) - 9.72m
29. [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) - 9.53m
30. [PS] Gran Turismo 2 (SCE) - 9.37m
31. [SNES] Donkey Kong Country (Nintendo) - 9.30m
32. [SNES] Super Mario Kart (Nintendo) - 8.76m
33. [PS2] Gran Turismo 4 (SCE) - 8.20m
34. [XBOX] HALO 2 (Microsoft) - 8.19m
35. [N64] GoldenEye 007 (Nintendo) - 8.09m
36. [360] HALO 3 (Microsoft) - 8.00m
37. [PS2] Final Fantasy X (Square) - 7.95m
38. [PS] Final Fantasy VIII (Square) - 7.86m
39. [N64] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Nintendo) - 7.60m
40. [PS] Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back (SCE) - 7.57m
41. [NES] Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo) - 7.46m
42. [PS] Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped (SCE) - 7.12m
43. [GC] Super Smash Bros. Melee (Nintendo) - 7.09m
44. [PS] TEKKEN 3 (Namco) - 6.91m
45. [PS] Crash Bandicoot (SCE) - 6.80m
46. [GC] Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (Nintendo) - 6.60m
47. [NES] The Legend of Zelda (Nintendo) - 6.51m
48. [PS2] Need for Speed: Underground (Electronic Arts) - 6.49m
49. [XBOX] HALO (Microsoft) - 6.43m
50. [GBA] Pokémon: Emerald (Nintendo) - 6.40m
European hardware sales:
United Kingdom:
Wii: 2.562.000 [till end of March 08]
360: 2.000.000 [till 04/06/2008]
PS3: 1.063.000 [till end of March 08]
France till end of March 08:
Wii: 1.470.000
PS3: 630.000
360: 610.000
Germany:
Wii: 920.000 [till end of March 08]
PS3: 400.000 [till end of March 08]
360: 384.000 [till end of Dec. 08]
Spain till end of Dec. 07:
Wii: 660.000
PS3: 410.000
360: 225.000
Italy till end of Feb. 08
PS3: 423.000
360: 364.000
Wii: 300.500
Norway till end of Dec. 07:
Wii: 57.000
PS3: 57.000
360: 45.000
Austria till end of Nov. 07:
360: 47.000
Wii: 40.000
PS3: 34.000
Switzerland:
Wii: 100.000 [till end of Dec. 07]
PS3: 20.000 [till 08/04/07]
360: ??.???
Benelux till end of Aug. 07:
PS3: 100.000
Wii: ???.???
360: ???.???
Portugal till end of Nov. 07:
PS3: 30.000
Wii: 8.000 - 12.000
360: 7.000 - 10.000
Poland till end of Sep. 07:
360: 20.000
Wii: 10.000
PS3: 10.000
Total:
Wii: 6.131.500
360: 3.705.000
PS3: 3.177.000
Sources: GfK, Media Control, ChartTrack, AC Nielsen, Screen Digest, NG&MA, (Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft).
Australia/New Zealand hardware sales:
Australia:
360: 320.000 [till end of March 08]
Wii: 293.990 [till end of Dec. 07]
PS3: 155.000 [till end of Dec. 07]
New Zealand:
360: 40.000 [till end of March 08]
PS3: 20.857 [till end of Dec. 07]
Wii: 5.996 [till end of March 07]
Total:
360: 360.000
Wii: 299.986
PS3: 175.857
Source: GfK
The fastest selling console
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Gaijin von Snikbah
26-04-2008, 06:10 PM
Wii and PS2 are neck and neck. Will Wii sell more than the PS2?
Dante
26-04-2008, 06:10 PM
Iwata: I'd like to show you one example. This is a WiiWare software called "World of Goo", which is currently being developed by a company called 2D Boy.
What you are seeing now may be self-explanatory but this is a sort of puzzle game which makes use of physical calculations. You will use the pointer function of Wii Remote to control and guide the grid-like character to the goal pipe.
I was given an opportunity to look at this game this week and understood that this game contains a lot of gimmicks and tweaks. Internally at Nintendo, a lot of positive talks about this can be heard today.
Initially, two developers started this development project, and most recently, one developer has been added to the team, which brings the total development members to three. Nowadays, it is very hard for a small-sized development team like them to work on a software for home console game machine. We are hopeful that WiiWare can explore a new path for this kind of brand new products and we would, of course, like to aggressively support WiiWare.
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/HeyBop/Images1/50.jpg
(Number of employees per wiiware-licensed companies)
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WiiWare software developments have already started in the U.S. and Europe too. I would like to note the fact that a number of small-sized developers are proactively entering into this business by sensing the business potential of WiiWare.
Companies with less than 20 employees comprise 56% of the total number of companies which have so far decided to make WiiWare software. When we look at the percentage of the companies with 50 employees or less, they constitute three quarters of all.
This must be the sign that these companies think that WiiWare is a worthwhile business for them to aggressively pursue.
system_error
26-04-2008, 08:39 PM
WiiWare is the first step for a rather small development studio to show their skills and ideas to the general public with much less risk. Furthermore if a game is successfull a publisher might release the sequel on a DVD. I think it is a really great opportunity for small to middle size developers - especially because they can attract customers and publishers.
I really hope it turns out well for people who tried to achieve something special. Also I think small games are a new game area (I still prefer big, epic RPGs and stuff)
Tellyn
26-04-2008, 08:47 PM
I've said it since last year, WiiWare is going to be revolutionary for the industry (or for the Wii at least).
system_error
26-04-2008, 09:06 PM
I've said it since last year, WiiWare is going to be revolutionary for the industry (or for the Wii at least).
I really hope so - but don't expect sky rocketing sales for the first few months. The Wii user base is big but until the majority accepts that new form of content it will take a while I guess.
Tellyn
26-04-2008, 09:46 PM
I really hope so - but don't expect sky rocketing sales for the first few months. The Wii user base is big but until the majority accepts that new form of content it will take a while I guess.
Some clever advertising will be required to get as many people as possible connected to the internet and aware of WiiWare. These titles are all third-party titles and will probably end up as cult hits, yet they won't reach the masses.
- World of Goo
- Toki Tori
- Plattchen
- Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People
- LostWinds
- LIT
- Last Flight
- Bruiser & Scratch
- Eternity's Child
- Gravitronix
- Gyrostarr
dazzybee
27-04-2008, 04:58 PM
But McPhee, risks need to be made. The Wii has and will cotninue to dominate hardware sales ,meaning in theory there are more people to buy games on this console. rather than EVERYONE waiting and see whats happening, publishers/developers need to take a little risk and YES take development away from 360 and PS3, make the best game they can for the Wii and then see how it sells - these games DO sell on the Wii; but it's unfair to ignore this and pick out the games that don't sell.
There is more money to be made on the Wii, simple as; make a AAA game on Wii, market it, and you will make money!
Jamba
27-04-2008, 05:18 PM
But McPhee, risks need to be made. The Wii has and will cotninue to dominate hardware sales ,meaning in theory there are more people to buy games on this console. rather than EVERYONE waiting and see whats happening, publishers/developers need to take a little risk and YES take development away from 360 and PS3, make the best game they can for the Wii and then see how it sells - these games DO sell on the Wii; but it's unfair to ignore this and pick out the games that don't sell.
There is more money to be made on the Wii, simple as; make a AAA game on Wii, market it, and you will make money!
Well, considering that you're not a publisher and market researching, knowing the userbase, understanding risk in the market and the profit and loss minefield that is game development are publishers specialities, I'd go so far as to say: "maybe they know what they are doing".
God, I can't believe all this time people were whining about Nintendo being niche and now everyone is whining about it being a mass market console.
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