Smash Bros...What's next?! [Archive]

tapedeck

12-03-2008, 09:04 PM

It it just me or have Nintendo ended all possibilities of us seeing a Smash Bros sequel for the next one hundred years!

A BRIEF HISTORY OF SMASH BROS.

The idea of Smash Bros apparently came from an idea shared by Masahiro Sakurai and Satoru Iwata - Titled "Dragon King: The Fighting Game". Although, originally featuring no Nintendo characters, Sakurai noted that the inclusion of Nintendo franchises (in order to provide atmosphere) would be necessary for a home console fighting game. Furthermore the original Smash Bros only had a small budget and little promotion. It was also originally a Japan-only release, but its success (1.9 million copies sold) saw the game released worldwide. - Proving fruitfull as over 2million fights were sold in the USA.

Smash Bros has changed massively since its somewhat "innocent" starting points. (Dolls coming to life to a...BRAWL (with added 3rd party love)).
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj251/sunshinelad/SuperSmashinboxes.jpg

So indeed, as per the biggest Nintendo titles to be released, what do you feel that we got from Brawl and what you would you like to see in the future? Perhaps MegaMan etc was what you were hankering for all along.

SOME THOUGHTS:

Has the title now hit it's peak?

Will a title such as Smash Bros only bring unity to an otherwise distant market?

Should Smash Bros always just be about Nintendo only characters?

With a "daily" marketing push, has the internet divulged too much information?

Thoughts as usual :)

Gizmo

12-03-2008, 09:12 PM

Pretty sure Sakurai said something along the lines of "I'm making this game as if it's the last in the series"

Obviously I doubt it will be, but they'll find more stuff to pack in to a new version of the game on the next Nintendo home console. New game modes, a bigger story mode, perhaps more than 4 people playing simultaneously? Anythings possible, especially when you are thinking about what could be done on the next generation of hardware.

dwarf gourami

12-03-2008, 09:19 PM

smash bros is pretty fleshed out and im sure that there's no way a new title sequel that can be made within 4 years, mk has 1 new every year

Jonnas

12-03-2008, 09:34 PM

Probably in 8 years we'll see a new installment of the series.

I mean, there are still characters to be added, franchises to be represented, music to add, as well as all kinds of innovations.

I just doubt Sakurai will be in charge. It's what I fear, since I tend to love games made by Sakurai.

dwarf gourami

12-03-2008, 09:38 PM

I think it'll be less than 8, but more than 4. Depends is Sakurai stops developing it in which the game will take decades and will lose polish.

Dante

12-03-2008, 09:40 PM

The next Smash Bros will come around the new gen of consoles ie 2013.

dwarf gourami

12-03-2008, 09:43 PM

Dante

12-03-2008, 09:51 PM

I reckon we'll see a handheld version you see. I reckon a couple of years to Gameboy 2 announcement and then a couple of years after release there'll be a watered down portable offering. Ninty would be stupid not to, but they wouldn't be able to pull it off on DS.

Gameboy has been killed off because of the DS.
We will see the new DS in ten years or when nintendo get very low sales with it.
Maybe a super smash brothers ds version will come sometime in the next year. :)

Dyson

12-03-2008, 09:56 PM

To be honest, when playing Melee I didn't think they could improve the game. At all. And all the new features in Brawl, now I know them, make me go "Ahh yes, that seems necessary!"

So we'll see :D

scubahood

12-03-2008, 10:00 PM

I reckon we'll see a handheld version you see. I reckon a couple of years to Gameboy 2 announcement and then a couple of years after release there'll be a watered down portable offering. Ninty would be stupid not to, but they wouldn't be able to pull it off on DS.

New DS in 10 years no way I give it say 2 maybe 3. They will blatently put motion sensors in the new DS for tilting action like Wario Ware twisted

dwarf gourami

12-03-2008, 10:02 PM

I didnt say new DS in 10 years...

DomJcg

12-03-2008, 10:05 PM

Re-release the old melee game with out the super broken baseball bat.

I got KO'd twice with that thing, once with 18% and next at 23%

BANE OF EXISTANCE!!

oh and re-release SB on the VC

Dante

12-03-2008, 10:09 PM

I didnt say new DS in 10 years...

He quoted the wrong person dwarf gourami.

I didnt mean that nintendo will keep it going for ten years but the DS still selling strong and nintendo wont just stop backing it for a new DS two version.

dwarf gourami

12-03-2008, 10:12 PM

Im sort of buzzing inside.
I don't care for other games in the series atm Ive got brawl to play soon!

Rummy

12-03-2008, 10:16 PM

Super Smash Brothers...ANNIHALATION!

Or you know, something just ridiculously OTT, if it happened.
Like Dyson, I didn't think Brawl could top Melee, from what I've read and heard, it easily has. Can something top that? Probably not. As the dude said, it's been made as the last in the series, and they've pulled out all the stops. Unlike MK, I think a SmashBros game's premise is so simple, it's gonna be a hard one to reinvent again. The best we could probably hope for is some sort of Smash Bros:DS, but I don't think it'd be all that suited to the DS, how would it make use of the touch, and the double screen? Well, it could use the double screen, top as standard view, which'd be small and so...bottom for a close in view of your dood. Either that, or it'll come round in a very later on generation as 'Smash Bros:In the Fray!' where games'll be all advanced and you'll be in sims and shiz and actually using your whole self and there'll be robots everywhere and flying cars and....

dwarf gourami

12-03-2008, 10:23 PM

What's the coolest thing that could happen?
Super Smash Bros: Finale

Every developer is allowed to sneak in 2 downloadable characters to the roster. Every stage from the series so far included and another bulk added.

Thousands of trophies and stickers.
MMO

Hero-of-Time

12-03-2008, 10:24 PM

They have to make another Smash Bros as I still want Megaman in it!

dwarf gourami

12-03-2008, 10:26 PM

They have to make another Smash Bros as I still want Megaman in it!

You have just killed the thread I'm sorry to say. It's going to boil down into......

Hero-of-Time

12-03-2008, 10:49 PM

You have just killed the thread I'm sorry to say. It's going to boil down into......

lol

What the hell is wrong with the Blue Bomber? The little guy is a classic gaming icon and fits into the Smash universe a hell of alot better than Snake.

Owen

12-03-2008, 10:55 PM

They have to make another Smash Bros as I still want Megaman in it!

lol!

I don't think there will be another Smash Bros as we know it, to be honest. A horrible thought that but where will gaming be in 7 years????

Maase

12-03-2008, 10:56 PM

Everything equal to Brawl, and then a MMO mode :D

Someone can create a room, and then everybody can join (the maximum is 100 people per room)

Then, you are in one big island of portals with ten hearts and 1000 points of respect, you can wander around, searching for friends or for trouble... (In 2D, a island in 2D but with some houses so you can wander around and diferent scenarios so you can travel around)

When you find somebody, you can challenge that guy or add him as a friend, if you add him, you will be friends, and you have a team and you can wander around together and fight with other teams.

If you challenge him, that guy will have to accept the challenge, if he doesn't accept, he'l lose one heart and 100 points.

If he accepts, the challenger can choose the scenario and fight... The loser will lose 2 hearts, the winner will win points (the ammount of points will be choosen by the way the winner played, just like the points you receive at the end of one battle in the Classic Mode of Melee.

Hearts can be found in Shops, for something like 2000 points. If somebody loses all his hearts, he will have to end the game (but he can still see the battles ocurring)

When the time ends (they can go between 1 hour and 10 days), the one with most points win. If the guy has Friends, the friends will also win (you can only have 2 friends).

I know its a stupid Maase/Kid of 14 years old idea, but i love her anyway :P

or else you will DIE

12-03-2008, 11:15 PM

Brawl with Mewtwo, King K Rool and Ridley.

DCK

12-03-2008, 11:40 PM

Maybe they'll go for new controls in the next one. Wiimote isn't really suited for a 2D fighter, but whatever they come up with for Wii2 might be.

Also, graphics, more characters, more online blablabla. Things can always improve, and if Sakurai gets his hands on it again, I'm pretty confident they will.

Ten10

13-03-2008, 12:14 AM

Perhaps a game very much like it under a different name altogether will arise from the ashes. Who knows all I know is I thinking of canceling my preorder and importing.

McPhee

13-03-2008, 12:27 AM

The next one will be portable, probably on the DS

Owen

13-03-2008, 09:39 AM

The next one will be portable, probably on the DS

Didn't the maker of Smash Bros say it was shown to him but he thought it wouldn't work as well on the DS so it was kinda put on hold?

It will probably come soon enough....He was probably getting us of the scent and it will be announced at E3 or something! :D

Nintendohnut

13-03-2008, 10:58 AM

I don't think so. In fact in a recent interview Sakurai said that there are no real button limitations on the game, as was proven by the fact it works with a wiimote, so it is possible to put it on DS, but he said that there were no plans at the moment...

Can't remember where I saw that.

david.dakota

13-03-2008, 11:06 AM

Smash is too big a franchise to ignore. I do feel with extra downloadable content, for example, new characters and the like Brawl could last well into next gen, giving a good breathing space between this and Smash 4.

Kurtle Squad

13-03-2008, 12:31 PM

Putting it on a handheld would be rubbish. There's too little space for one, and playing with mates on 1 screen's far better than anything on a handheld.

dwarf gourami

13-03-2008, 05:19 PM

^Hearkens back to my original post^

not DS but Gameboy 2. I disagree that DS has made it redundant, i think 1 screen is better than concentrating on less powerful useless 2nd screen.
I want my money going into something that uses all functions well.

Fandango

13-03-2008, 05:27 PM

Smash Bros could easily work on the DS, hell, no-one heard of Jump Superstars?

Though I admit I haven't played it, from what I've heard its a game ala Smash Bros in that loads of popular characters from Animes like Dragonball and One piece come together and have a massive Brawl! (pun intended :P)

Suppose to be loads of fun, only downside is it wasn't localized for America or Europe.

Jonnas

13-03-2008, 06:02 PM

dwarf gourami

13-03-2008, 06:31 PM

DS is region free so Jump ahead.

Jonnas

13-03-2008, 07:13 PM

DS is region free so Jump ahead.

I like to understand stuff. Plus, the fact that there are other games, and that I don't know many other guys in JUS, prevent me from making the leap.

Emasher

13-03-2008, 08:52 PM

The next game will probably have:

A longer adventure mode (I just finished it last night).
A better stage builder (the current one is OK but its not perfect).
A character builder (Similar to to the mii builder only more options and less cartoony looks. You would also be able to set attacks and weapons.)
More smaller modes (like break the targets, multi-man melee.)
More characters and Stages.
A better online mode with no friend codes and voice chat. (The game's rated "T" (in north america) kids aren't supposed to be playing it really so why can't Nintendo put voice chat in as a option for both friend and random matches).

darkjak

13-03-2008, 09:16 PM

This is NOT the last game in the series.
Sakurai thought that Melee would be the last too. He only claimed that he made it AS IF it were to be the last. In other words, he didn't do like the Need For Speed team, which three months before one games release comes up with new gameplay elements and content for the NEXT game.
Sakurai implemented everything he could think of that there was time for, and he at times made delays to fit the stuff he wanted.

I believe the next game will contain even more characters, and more levels. A better adventuremode, and perhaps completely revamped controlls.

dwarf gourami

13-03-2008, 09:37 PM

Thing is there is a limit to how much more can be improved:
The brawl disk is double sided and has just about the maximum memory possible on a dvd/cd.

The-chosen-one

13-03-2008, 09:51 PM

in the next smashbros i dont want them to change much ,i only want them to add new features like adding more characters stages more things in the stage builder 2 more third party characters in it a longer adventure mode with lil bit voice acting in it not to much but just a bit

Emasher

13-03-2008, 09:53 PM

darkjak

13-03-2008, 10:33 PM

They will not change the controls. Sakurai will probably be murdered in his sleep if he did that.

Just like I killed Shigeru for coming up with the idea of a cell shaded Zelda. Or like when I killed him a second time for changing the controlls in Metroid Prime from real FPS controlls to a Zelda-ish lockon. Oh, but before I did that, of course I killed the entire Metroid Prime team for making Metroid an FPS.

It's in Nintendos nature to make unexpected changes in winning concepts. The controlls and gameplay have gone as far as the can go in Brawl, the only thing left to do, so the series won't become a new Mario Party, is to toss nearly everything we know about Smash Bros out the window and do something mindblowingly new.

For example imagine Smash Bros leaving the whole 2d gameplay fighting behind, and making it a fully fledged 3D battle game. Imagine controlling Link just the way you do in the Zelda games, and then throwing in Samus the way she plays in Metroid, and so on. Then perhaps you throw in vehicles so that Link rides Epona and Fox flies the Arwing.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/94375.html

dwarf gourami

13-03-2008, 10:36 PM

^ You're complimenting those games right? For a moment i thought you were slating Metroid. Tsk.

Coolness Bears

13-03-2008, 10:41 PM

In the next Smash Bros Snorlax needs to be a playable character! :heh:

*starts his campaign* :D

RossK

14-03-2008, 08:16 AM

I dont really want them to , this one looks to be so inclusive of everything it would be very hard , well possibly 1 more but not for a long time i think /

Dannyboy-the-Dane

14-03-2008, 10:25 AM

The-chosen-one

14-03-2008, 11:42 AM

I disagree in all ways possible with the Character Builder idea. Smash Bros. is about famous and unique characters coming to together, playing in their own special way with their trademark abilities. Making a Character Builder will completely rip away the essence of Smash Bros. and make it a generic fighter game.

me too i also dont want anything like that in it character builder ( and if they do then i only and then only want it if its a Mii character of your own )

Maase

14-03-2008, 02:09 PM

I don't think that, i think its exactly what i need...

Its like playing with you against Nintendo Characters :D

Jonnas

14-03-2008, 02:32 PM

If it's a Mii, I don't mind. The only customizable aspect of it would be the appearance, but the moves would be the same for every Mii.

Of course, a Mii would be a "Mr. Wii"-like character, and we still need to get "Mr. SNES", "Mr. N64", "Mr. Gameboy", "Mr. GameCube" and "Mr. DS" out of the way...

darkjak

14-03-2008, 05:59 PM

^ You're complimenting those games right? For a moment i thought you were slating Metroid. Tsk.

Exactly. At first I hated ALL those ideas. I still disslike the Celshaded graphics of WW, but MP turned out to be great.

dwarf gourami

14-03-2008, 06:13 PM

Exactly. At first I hated ALL those ideas. I still disslike the Celshaded graphics of WW, but MP turned out to be great.

Every great game has an original concept within it, and almost all the best series expand with a freshness overhaul. Yeah its make and break, but its worth the gamble.
I guess Smash hasnt gambled thus far but theres only 3 games in the series. MK could have had a few added elements (i dont think mk wii really adds much difference.

Kurtle Squad

14-03-2008, 06:18 PM

Smash Bros could easily work on the DS, hell, no-one heard of Jump Superstars?
Yeah....I owned the first one.
Brawl fits on a Duel Layered Disc
You can't fit anything epic like Brawl on a DS cart appart from an RPG.
Putting effort into a downgraded Smash Bros. seems pretty pointless to me, especially since it'd also need Multi-carts etc...

Exactly. At first I hated ALL those ideas. I still disslike the Celshaded graphics of WW, but MP turned out to be great.
Well it's especially ashame for you that WW's better than TP then ey.;)

McPhee

14-03-2008, 06:28 PM

Putting effort into a downgraded Smash Bros. seems pretty pointless to me, especially since it'd also need Multi-carts etc...

Pointless? Oh, you mean like Mario Kart DS is pointless, yeah?

dwarf gourami

14-03-2008, 06:34 PM

Thing is MK DS isnt really downgraded tbh. It was the first with online and 'story mode' and the graphics were v.good for DS. I dont think DS could handle something as frantic as smash, so they have to tone it down, meaning it wasnt a smash game.

TP is better than WW for me.

Kurtle Squad

14-03-2008, 06:34 PM

Pointless? Oh, you mean like Mario Kart DS is pointless, yeah?
Don't be a cumbucket. I didn't say that.
Saying Mario Kart is like Smash Bros. is like saying the Euro's as stong as the Pound.

When there's a new Smash Bros. I want more improvements and extras, not a downgrading to just above an N64 game. Mario Kart wasn't downgraded because there was nothing to it in the 1st place, it's a simple racing game.

MAYBE if they made it using "pixel art" etc and made it quite different Smash Bros., while it still being Smash Bros it'd be okay...Kinda like a sub-series sorta thing

TP is better than WW for me.
The only thing better is a slight improvement to the fighting. Most other things are bland compared to the other 3D Zeldas.
TP didn't know what it wanted to be, at one point it went a little MM, but then went back on that completey.

darkjak

14-03-2008, 06:42 PM

Well it's especially ashame for you that WW's better than TP then ey.;)

Whatever you've smoked I'll have two.

Kurtle Squad

14-03-2008, 06:43 PM

Whatever you've smoked I'll have two.
I'm afraid my girlfriends boobs are all mine

dwarf gourami

14-03-2008, 06:45 PM

I disagree. I love TP, it was almost as epic as OOT, almost.
I think OOT outdid it in music, but TP impressed me in many areas.

DCK

14-03-2008, 07:03 PM

The Wind Waker feels a lot fresher, but gameplay-wise Twilight Princess is a much better game. Twilight Princess gets a lot of hate it doesn't deserve.

Owen

14-03-2008, 07:59 PM

The Wind Waker feels a lot fresher, but gameplay-wise Twilight Princess is a much better game. Twilight Princess gets a lot of hate it doesn't deserve.

Yeah Wind Waker feels fresher definately, but i'm so pleased it went back to it's OOT roots in TP!

To be fair there both amazing! I just wish Wind Waker was longer...much longer...

I hope they will release another cel-shaded Link adventure as well! Afterall the worrying about the change of graphics it really worked!

Back on-topic! I would like to see a Smash Bros DS overall as well, i reckon Nintendo has the ability to make it work, i'm sure of it!

tapedeck

14-03-2008, 08:25 PM

I hope they will release another cel-shaded Link adventure as well! Afterall the worrying about the change of graphics it really worked!

...I liked Phantom Hourglass :)

Yeah, the DS, with two screens and some MASSIVE aerial fights could be epic lol.

dwarf gourami

14-03-2008, 08:37 PM

the two screens should just be one big one with a line down the middle, you dont see console games using only one half of the screen because they want the main part of the game on one and a shitty map on the other

(not many games like that anyway)

Owen

14-03-2008, 08:49 PM

...I liked Phantom Hourglass :)

Yeah, the DS, with two screens and some MASSIVE aerial fights could be epic lol.

Mustn't forget PH! Sorry about that! :D

dwarf gourami

14-03-2008, 10:03 PM

darkjak

14-03-2008, 10:55 PM

I'm afraid my girlfriends boobs are all mine

Wow...
The sight and feel of boobs haven't actually got me stoned since I was like... 14. I mean, I still get very arroused, but not actually stoned. At least not stoned enough to claim that WW beats TP.

Anyhow, a portable Smash Bros could be awsome. And possible. What takes so much space in Brawl are the Subspace Emisary cutscenes, and the highly detailed graphics. Melee could fit on the 1,5GB Gamecube disc, even though the characters looked nearly as good (the improvements seem to be mainly in the texture/shading department on the Brawl characters).

I think that you could get a quite big game onto a DS chip. I mean, on those pirate things you can fit over a gig, imagine if Nintendo woul try it themselves.

tapedeck

15-03-2008, 09:55 PM

1. Can someone find me a brawl wallpaper that features marth and fox please?
2. There's a couple of great deals on gameseek.com such as cheap wiimotes and superstars tennis for 25 quid (although i wont be getting it)
3. Shouldnt there be a Wii General Discussion Thread to bring these kinds of things up?

1.Knocked up in, like, 2 seconds. (http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj251/sunshinelad/brawling.jpg)
2. Great! I'm all over that one. Sweet, amazing deals. Holy lord its £25!
3. Perhaps. The create thread button is there. I dare you to create it...Go on. Don't be shy. It may pay off and become all-encompassing!

And relax.

dwarf gourami

16-03-2008, 09:26 AM

1.Knocked up in, like, 2 seconds. (http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj251/sunshinelad/brawling.jpg)
2. Great! I'm all over that one. Sweet, amazing deals. Holy lord its £25!
3. Perhaps. The create thread button is there. I dare you to create it...Go on. Don't be shy. It may pay off and become all-encompassing!

And relax.
I dunno it kind of seems cocky to create a big thread unless it is slightly different, so I'd probably be slated for doing so because there are more authoritative people here.