View Full Version : XBox 360 Price Cut - I wonder if this will influence the Wii Price...
ghost_zero
10-03-2008, 05:42 PM
Hi,
I just wonder if the new XBox360 price cut might influence the Wii price as well.
After all the XBox360 price is now dropping under the Wii price.
However, as long as the Wii is selling so good with the current price, I am not sure if they will relly drop the price...
gaggle64
10-03-2008, 05:45 PM
It's possible, but unlikely right now. They're still selling them as fast a they can ship them out.
Even if Nintendo is worried about the 360 competition (which I really doubt), there's nothing they can do about it as the Wii is selling as fast as it physically can.
tomma1000
10-03-2008, 05:52 PM
Yeah shame really as the wii is so sucessful will be a while before there is a price drop and new colours!
Kurtle Squad
10-03-2008, 06:20 PM
It's possible, but unlikely right now. They're still selling them as fast a they can ship them out.
Exactly.
Nintendo's a business; they're not going to reduce the Wii price when it's still selling insane amounts.
DanielTimothy
10-03-2008, 06:21 PM
Price cut? How much home dogs?
Price cut? How much home dogs?
Arcade - £150
Premium - £190.
Calza
10-03-2008, 06:30 PM
Elite - £250
DanielTimothy
10-03-2008, 06:30 PM
Arcade - £150
Premium - £190.
Sex, when?
In Euroland:
Arcade (no HDD, wireless controller, composite, 5 XLA games): €199.95
Premium (20 GB HDD, component, demos/vids/1 XLA game): €269.95
Elite (120 GB HDD, HDMI, black): €369.95
The real worthwile packages only got a €30 cut :hmm: Better than nothing still!
Tellyn
10-03-2008, 06:34 PM
There's still a backlog of people wanting to buy a Wii, they don't need to cut the price until next year at least, methinks.
ThePigMarcher
10-03-2008, 06:34 PM
Premium - £190.
I doubt it will affect Nintendo's pricing strategy but I have to admit , at that price I am sorely tempted in picking one up myself. Its just a shame that around 16% of the things fail.
dwarf gourami
10-03-2008, 06:52 PM
Premium for 190 quid!
baby!
Ren of Heavens
10-03-2008, 07:07 PM
Maybe Wii will be the most expensive console in a few months...
Goron_3
10-03-2008, 07:09 PM
Premium for that price is a BARGAIN!
really highlights how much money Nintendo are making off each Wii.
McPhee
10-03-2008, 07:15 PM
I can't see it happening yet, maybe when the next price drop comes. Core for £100 would give Nintendo something to think about.
On a side note, has anyone else noticed that Wii's seem to be easy to get hold of now? At work the sales have actually dropped to the point where we never run out of units. The rest of the town seems to be in a similar situation.
Im guessing this is nationwide? The bundles in shops like Game and Gamestation seem to be getting better and there's rather a lot of 2nd hand Wii's popping up, both of which indicate that the sales are dropping a bit.
dwarf gourami
10-03-2008, 07:22 PM
premium linky please?
Demuwan
10-03-2008, 07:22 PM
Im defo getting a 360 this year with that price. Only question is £lite or Premium?
I doubt it will affect Nintendo's pricing strategy but I have to admit , at that price I am sorely tempted in picking one up myself. Its just a shame that around 16% of the things fail.Hasn't that situation changed ever since Microsoft improved the Xbox 360's manufacturing process so that it consumes less power and generates less heat?
(I'm talking about the 90nm -> 65 nm chip size reduction last Autumn).
ThePigMarcher
10-03-2008, 07:40 PM
Hasn't that situation changed ever since Microsoft improved the Xbox 360's manufacturing process so that it consumes less power and generates less heat?
(I'm talking about the 90nm -> 65 nm chip size reduction last Autumn).
Quite possibly.
I cannot find the original report where I got my figures from , or what period they covered.
The Bard
10-03-2008, 08:10 PM
Hope they do, they're making an absolute killing on an underpowered console with, scarcely any games worth owning.
Kurtle Squad
10-03-2008, 08:10 PM
I spent nearly that on a Core to replace my F-ed Premium.
It's been VERY good to me so far though. Treats my discs better than on of my mates ones I think
Demuwan
10-03-2008, 08:26 PM
Hope they do, they're making an absolute killing on an underpowered console with, scarcely any games worth owning.
What 360 version do you have Bardy.
The Bard
10-03-2008, 08:33 PM
I've got the Premium. Bought it for 290 almost a year ago, it was more than worth it then, and at 190, it's practically begging to be bought. And loved. You might need an adapter for that sorta thing though.
Demuwan
10-03-2008, 08:38 PM
I've got the Premium. Bought it for 290 almost a year ago, it was more than worth it then, and at 190, it's practically begging to be bought. And loved. You might need an adapter for that sorta thing though.
Coolio, btw PM me if you find that adapter anywhere.
Mikey
10-03-2008, 09:01 PM
Hope they do, they're making an absolute killing on an underpowered console with, scarcely any games worth owning.
That's what I've always said.
You'd have to be bat shit insane to buy a Wii over a 360 at the current prices as well. No way should the Wii ever be your only console.
You'd have to be bat shit insane to buy a Wii over a 360 at the current prices as well. No way should the Wii ever be your only console.Good as the 360 may be, I beg to differ. The Wii perfectly supplies all my gaming needs. Then again, I don't game too much. But it doesn't count for everybody at any rate.
dwarf gourami
10-03-2008, 09:12 PM
Nah I was thinking before buying Wii 'will i regret it' but thankfully all the game i own are awesome, not to mention cool VC stuff. And there are a lot of cool titles coming out soon/have just been released.
360 and PS3 have equal brilliance imo, but 360 price is much better now.
If I was to incorporate all consoles into one, I'd take the Wii controls, the PS3/360 graphics, the 360 Online and the Wii/Ps3 downloadness. (dont care much for arcade.)
Plus every game of course.
dazzybee
10-03-2008, 09:16 PM
Bit of a bargain that! Much better value now though not as much of a bargain as people think, still need to pay £50-£60 to make it wireless!!!! And the arcade is not even worth considering.Alright though, still possibly the worst construction of a console I've ever owned though!
dwarf gourami
10-03-2008, 09:45 PM
Construction? Do you mean it looks bad? I think it looks cool.
dazzybee
10-03-2008, 09:48 PM
No, I mean it's insanely loud, not very well designed and feels like it could fall apart at any moment :)
dwarf gourami
10-03-2008, 09:58 PM
I guess they could have sorted out the latest versions, but originally they needed to release them quickly.
Strange Cookie
10-03-2008, 10:02 PM
Nintendo, lowering the price of a console? Only when it's lying in the gutter, begging to finally be put down.
Nintendo hasn't exactly got a reputation for price-cuts. And with the new price of the 360, I doubt they'd do it now because it's still selling like hot cakes, and because it would be a sign that they 'fear' the 360.
Shyguy
10-03-2008, 10:28 PM
i wonder how much of a loss MS are making off every xbox now? or u think that they have slowly declined production costs of them?
Hero-of-Time
10-03-2008, 10:40 PM
No, I mean it's insanely loud, not very well designed and feels like it could fall apart at any moment :)
QFT. I love my 360 to bits but what Dazzy said hits the nail right on the head and it really is the worst constructed console I have owned aswell.
Nintendo really dont need to get sucked into a price war with Microsoft and Sony. The Wii has been selling loads and even though the console is starting to become more readily available the demand is still there. Its only when the interest starts to fade thats when Nintendo will cut the price. I still think we will see one before the year is out though.
Rummy
10-03-2008, 10:58 PM
Interesting stuff, means Nintendo might have to start working a bit harder(unlikely though, given current demand and how proper minted they must be, profit on the wii since launch worldwide, how many consoles sold now? No doubt manufacturing costs have dropped too). I can't help but think the whole HD-DVD/format war loss has probably affected things too. In fact, how DOES that affect the 360?
Anyway, I don't think we're gonna see the effects of this price drop on the Wii any time soon, demand needs to fall alot more, and with Brawl coming out soon, I don't see it happening.
Ren of Heavens
10-03-2008, 11:25 PM
I think there will be a €50/£30 Wii price cut a few weeks after Smash Bros. Brawl.
Rummy
10-03-2008, 11:30 PM
More like a few months! Why cut the price of the system when what'll probably be it's biggest seller is coming out?! Melee was the top game on the GC, and I reckon Brawl'll do the same for the Wii unless Ninty pull something proper spectacular outta the bag(terrible that I'm not holding much hope, but Ninty ain't giving us much here). I honestly don't see them cutting prices at all until demand seriously falls, I reckon not until another year's time or so.
Hellfire
10-03-2008, 11:32 PM
I doubt Nintendo will cut the price, maybe they'll make bundles or something, if it keeps selling, they'll keep the price. Specially because it comes with a game and games are cheaper, they'll probably play that card.
Arnieboy
10-03-2008, 11:34 PM
A lovely price cut just before i get a 360 next month, perfect.
I doubt Nintendo will cut the price, maybe they'll make bundles or something, if it keeps selling, they'll keep the price. Specially because it comes with a game and games are cheaper, they'll probably play that card.Yeah, you're right. At this rate, it'll take at least another year for Nintendo to even consider lowering the price. Bundles are a much more attractive option for them.
Mikey
11-03-2008, 12:10 AM
Love my 360 too, but fuck, is it ever loud. Always fearing mine is gonna break at any time as well, and I'll be dumped with some refurb console and get stuck in the 3 rrod forever! Thankfully my extended warranty I bought lasts for a while yet....
Bit of a bargain that! Much better value now though not as much of a bargain as people think, still need to pay £50-£60 to make it wireless!!!! And the arcade is not even worth considering.Alright though, still possibly the worst construction of a console I've ever owned though!
The wireless point doesn't stand since the Wii doesn't let you use ethernet unless you buy an adapter, and the 360 does. Then again, the lan adapter is cheaper than the wireless one for the 360...
dwarf gourami
11-03-2008, 07:52 AM
Isn't there the intercooler thing you can buy?
Zechs Merquise
11-03-2008, 08:25 AM
People were never buying the Wii because it was the cheapest - that was just a bonus. People have been snapping up Wii's by the bucket load because they are different and actually made gaming fun and accessible again to the public.
The 360 also seems to be competing for traditional market space with the PS3, a battle I hope it wins by a wide margin!
King_V
11-03-2008, 11:46 AM
I'm put off buying a 360 namely because of the £60 wireless router thing. Something that might as well be included in the Elite package at least to make up for the lack of wifi. When you live in an attic 3 floors away from the wireless hub - YOU NEED A WIRELESS ROUTER!
I'm put off buying a 360 namely because of the £60 wireless router thing. Something that might as well be included in the Elite package at least to make up for the lack of wifi. When you live in an attic 3 floors away from the wireless hub - YOU NEED A WIRELESS ROUTER!
Do you have a PC/Laptop in your room? I'm fairly sure that the 360 can share the internet from a computer.
steggy
11-03-2008, 04:41 PM
Do you have a PC/Laptop in your room? I'm fairly sure that the 360 can share the internet from a computer.
You'd probably need a cross over cable, but they can be purchased for a few quid. You'd just need to switch internet connection sharing on the PC you plug into the 360, oh and you'd need to have the PC on when you want to go online.
This isn't based on experience on wiring up 360's, as I don't have one, but general networking experience.
You might get away with a normal ethanet cable, as you can with two pc's if they can switch the cables in software. No idea if the 360 can do this though.
Demuwan
11-03-2008, 08:27 PM
Bit of a bargain that! Much better value now though not as much of a bargain as people think, still need to pay £50-£60 to make it wireless!!!! And the arcade is not even worth considering.Alright though, still possibly the worst construction of a console I've ever owned though!
Do you need to pay £50 to get all 360's wireless?
McPhee
11-03-2008, 09:24 PM
i wonder how much of a loss MS are making off every xbox now? or u think that they have slowly declined production costs of them?
Im pretty sure they never made a loss of Xbox 360 sales. The margin was small, but they've always kept it in profit. This will be no different, they've been reducing they're costs considerably with each revision.
All they need now is to get a stable and quiet version of the console and they might be ready for launch! (oh, wait...)
Hellfire
11-03-2008, 09:54 PM
Im pretty sure they never made a loss of Xbox 360 sales. The margin was small, but they've always kept it in profit. This will be no different, they've been reducing they're costs considerably with each revision.
All they need now is to get a stable and quiet version of the console and they might be ready for launch! (oh, wait...)
I'm pretty sure I remember reading they were losing something like 100$ or 150$ per console, don't remember when that was though, but I think it was at launch. With the extended warranties, refunds and revisions though it cost them. They only started turning profit very recently. Which is good, cause MS gaming division never had profit since they launched XBOX
ghost_zero
11-03-2008, 09:56 PM
In Euroland:
Arcade (no HDD, wireless controller, composite, 5 XLA games): €199.95
Premium (20 GB HDD, component, demos/vids/1 XLA game): €269.95
Elite (120 GB HDD, HDMI, black): €369.95
The real worthwile packages only got a €30 cut :hmm: Better than nothing still!
From what I know the NEW Premium models have a HDMI port too (don't know if the cable is included though).
McPhee
11-03-2008, 10:58 PM
My bad, they were losing money for the first year, then started to turn a profit on hardware in November 2006.
Source: http://www.techspot.com/news/23612-microsoft-makes-tiny-profit-on-xbox-360-hardware.html
They probably are making a profit still, they've had another hardware revision since then and have a 3rd lined up for this summer. Each time they are cutting the manufacturing cost and increasing the stability of the console. I've got to wonder how cheap the 360 will get when they have the CPU and GPU on a single chip? £100?
King_V
12-03-2008, 01:37 AM
Do you have a PC/Laptop in your room? I'm fairly sure that the 360 can share the internet from a computer.
Hmmm, I have a wireless Mac Mini in my room, I'll have to look into this. <fairly excited>
Dilli Gee
12-03-2008, 01:54 AM
I'm pretty sure I remember reading they were losing something like 100$ or 150$ per console, don't remember when that was though, but I think it was at launch. With the extended warranties, refunds and revisions though it cost them. They only started turning profit very recently.
I think they started making a profit in 2006. Even back then they had a ratio of 5 games sold per console.
Now it's 7 games per console (i.e. the average Xbox 360 owner will have 7 games for it). For the Wii and PS3 it's only 3 games per console, so Microsoft are definitely making the most profits from their games.
From what I know the NEW Premium models have a HDMI port too (don't know if the cable is included though).All the models have an HDMI port, I meant to say which cable was included in the package.
Also, Dilli's right, Microsoft started making profit back in late 2006 on the 360s. Especially since they reduced the chip's sizes the 360 is profitable. Also, the attach rates for Wii and PS3 are more like 4.6 games per console.
steggy
12-03-2008, 04:06 PM
I think the confusion with profit here, is based over time. Owing to what you guys are saying they made a profit in 2006. But I think over the time between Xbox launch and now, they have only recently started to re-coop the money they lost in the early days.
Maase
12-03-2008, 05:42 PM
What, oh... bullshit, i wanted Xbox360, Nintendo Wii is a Fucking Joke.
Oh well, now its too late :\ Im kidding
Rummy
12-03-2008, 06:20 PM
I think they started making a profit in 2006. Even back then they had a ratio of 5 games sold per console.
Now it's 7 games per console (i.e. the average Xbox 360 owner will have 7 games for it). For the Wii and PS3 it's only 3 games per console, so Microsoft are definitely making the most profits from their games.
I thought he was referring to the console being a sole loss leader itself? As in the actual console selling for less than it's production cost, as did the PS3 on launch, but the Wii did not. The games are where Microsoft make the profit, which they get by selling the console cheaper, thus the loss leads to profits.
Dilli Gee
12-03-2008, 06:30 PM
Oh okay. In that case, I don't think Xbox 360 makes a profit from its hardware sales. Even if it is cheaper to make one now, a 360 originally had a loss of £150.
It can't be that much of a difference today. Maybe they only just break even?
McPhee
12-03-2008, 10:19 PM
Do people ever click links :p
At the end of 2006 Microsoft were taking $75.70 (minus the cost of shipping to the retailers) on every 360 sold.
That was at a retail price of $399. It's pretty safe to say that after yet another hardware revision they will be making comfortable profit on a £200 retail price, even after incurring the costs of shipping the consoles to Europe.
Regardless, would they actually be desperate enough to increase hardware sales that they would consider turning profit in to loss? They aren't exactly doing badly in the UK (mainland Europe is, of course, a different story).
It can't be that much of a difference today. Maybe they only just break even?It's a huge difference. The cost of a console reduces much over time as the efficiency in building the new hardware rises through experience and parts get cheaper. In the case of the 360 they managed to revise the hardware, probably leading to even lower costs. Even with these lower prices, they will probably make profit still.
McPhee
12-03-2008, 11:31 PM
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/156522/xbox-360-consoles-shopto-arcade-139/showthread.php?t=156522
A 360 Premium for the same price as the Wii! Arcade for £139!
Shopto.net = Legends!
Davey_T
14-03-2008, 07:23 PM
My bro just got an xbox 360 premium for £163 :)
Demuwan
14-03-2008, 07:30 PM
My bro just got an xbox 360 premium for £163 :)
Dude, where from man?
Davey_T
14-03-2008, 07:38 PM
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http://n-europe.com/forum/showthread.php?p=701237#post701237
DiemetriX
16-03-2008, 12:54 PM
I really hope we in Norway get a price cut. We pay £249 for a Wii.
that's a mad price compared to the 360. And we have plenty of Wiis sitting on store shelfs.
Demuwan
16-03-2008, 04:41 PM
I really hope we in Norway get a price cut. We pay £249 for a Wii.
that's a mad price compared to the 360. And we have plenty of Wiis sitting on store shelfs.
That is absolutely ludicrous. How much is bread out there?
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