View Full Version : Split UK Gamers from Europe petition
Darkspine S
10-02-2008, 02:04 PM
http://www.petitiononline.com/ukgamers/petition.html
I wouldn't know if this would be possible or not, although I certainly wouldn't mind getting localized American games at the same time as them. What do you guys think?
(Btw, I put this in the Wii thread because it seems to be Wii games that suffer the most from localizations nowadays.:( )
Maase
10-02-2008, 02:09 PM
:'(
Why are you so mean to us?
Do you really think that being only UK will help you with the release dates? It will make UK and the other country's suffer even more :\
gaggle64
10-02-2008, 02:09 PM
We should be demanding better scheduling for Europe in general to be honest. Or better yet, an end to region locking all together.
ghost_zero
10-02-2008, 02:15 PM
If the English games could then be bought and used everywhere in Europe (having English only and Mutli-Lingual games) it could be interesting but just the UK only I wouldn't like either...
However: I don't think the could release it at the same time even if localization is gone - as there a differences btw. PAL and NTSC (though that would not be a such a problem with HDTV).
Personally: I am against it. The only real way to do it, is to release games in all European countries and US at the same time - for all games. Or only a few days (maximum a week) apart.
Though it wouldn't be problematic if at the beginning it would only be an English version in all European countries (the question is just what will happen to the multilingual versions - however I don't think that would be a problem as there are enough who wouldn't be English only versions)...
But the best thing would be to make the Wil region-free (they could do this anytime through a firmware update e.g.)... Would solve all problems: Those who want to wait for multilingual can wait and the others could just import...
Splitting UK from the rest of Europe is no good idea I think... Not to mention: Australia is also English speaking and they most times get the games even later than Europe...
I'd rather they speed up localisation and actually change the English language to English instead of American.
Tyson
10-02-2008, 02:26 PM
I'm pretty sure it's against EU law to do this.
Emasher
10-02-2008, 02:28 PM
I signed, it doesn't really effect me now but if I ever want to travel there for a longer period...
Hellfire
10-02-2008, 03:32 PM
That's pretty... stupid? Elitist? Don't know the right word to describe it, I just woke up. Makes me wanna punch someone though.
I'm pretty sure it's against EU law to do this.
I doubt it...this kind of thing happens all the time in the film industry.
mmmm, to be honest, i think the petition should be against the wait 'The Whole Of Europe' has for most Nintendo releases, including the UK. That way, you'll get thousands more sign it.
However, i do believe United Kingdom should be with United States now, with releases etc...but we are part of Europe, so....Oh and it's kinda unfair to leave other Europeans countries lagging behind.
Saying that most Europeans should be able to speak English, so perhaps they should just release English versions of games first, then the translated ones a little later?
Gizmo
10-02-2008, 03:46 PM
It seems someone reads 313 and has a low enough iq to think this would make any difference at all.
Darkspine S
13-02-2008, 07:07 AM
Just wanted to make a quick point here, its probably obvious to the lot of you, but I wanted to raise it regardless.
I, for one, highly doubt that this petition will end in the desired effect (though I would love that to happen), but at the very least, if the idea is given enough support, it will make NOE sit up and take notice that we are sick and tired of waiting for games 3 or 4 months after everyone else.
You might not agree with a UK from Europe split, or think that any kind of petition will have any effect, but I doubt even NOE would be able to deny that the majority of Europeans are tired of waiting, especially if a strong petition is waved in their faces.: peace:
Shyguy
13-02-2008, 08:42 AM
i think the best solution would be to organise a date to start sending them hate mail once every day on every person that agree's that NoE is shit
would make more of an inpact, or even better.... like they have been doing to bring back tv shows, send in an item along with it, maybe a release date list of one of the worst games affected by the translation delays
darkjak
13-02-2008, 09:08 AM
We should be demanding better scheduling for Europe in general to be honest. Or better yet, an end to region locking all together.
Region locking isn't the problem. It's the damn Frenchies, Germans and Spanish who REFUSE to learn FUCKING ENGLISH.
Region locking isn't the problem. It's the damn Frenchies, Germans and Spanish who REFUSE to learn FUCKING ENGLISH.
Don't most games get translated into French and Spanish for North American releases? The DS games I've imported from VG+ had French and Spanish.
DazzeL
13-02-2008, 10:56 AM
They should not in any way shape or form be obliged to learn English.... We have no right to force our language onto other European countries when we won't even share their currency.
Jonnas
13-02-2008, 11:26 AM
Region locking isn't the problem. It's the damn Frenchies, Germans and Spanish who REFUSE to learn FUCKING ENGLISH.
Don't forget the Italians!
That said, how many languages do you know how to speak decently?
darkjak
13-02-2008, 12:09 PM
They should not in any way shape or form be obliged to learn English.... We have no right to force our language onto other European countries when we won't even share their currency.
In that case I feel discriminated because games rarely ever are translated into my main languages, Swedish and Polish.
Personally I know Swedish, Polish, English and French, plus that I'm thinking of studying Japanese, and I have studied German, allthough for only six months. How friggin' difficult is it for europe to learna SECOND language? I mean, in Sweden we have to know THREE.
Everyone who goes to school knows english. It's the one language everyone's supposed to know. I don't want to wait for a translation, and everyone I know agree that we don't want EA to translate their games to Swedish. Give us the games right away instead!
Jonnas
13-02-2008, 12:30 PM
In that case I feel discriminated because games rarely ever are translated into my main languages, Swedish and Polish.
Personally I know Swedish, Polish, English and French, plus that I'm thinking of studying Japanese, and I have studied German, allthough for only six months. How friggin' difficult is it for europe to learna SECOND language? I mean, in Sweden we have to know THREE.
Everyone who goes to school knows english. It's the one language everyone's supposed to know. I don't want to wait for a translation, and everyone I know agree that we don't want EA to translate their games to Swedish. Give us the games right away instead!
Well, good for you.
Many people in Portugal know english, too, but I know plenty of people who don't. These same people get easily turned off by games where reading English is crucial for it's enjoyment.
That's in Portugal, where all the movies and series are subbed, and plenty of people have constant contact with the English language.
In Spain, everything they have is dubbed. Animations, movies, series are all dubbed in Spanish. The Spanish have little contact with English. Can you imagine how turned off they would be by an English game?
The same thing happens in France, too (although to a lesser extent).
It's not a question of not being able to learn a second language. These countries are important and proud of their language and culture. They want to be treated with a minimal level of respect.
blender
13-02-2008, 12:37 PM
when there is a worldcup of gamin, we will want to be in europe
also think about the european championships.
the solution is to make everyone speak english instead of jibberjabber
That is just selfish. And most of all, it's against EU laws as mentioned earlier.
Chris the great
13-02-2008, 12:47 PM
well, how many copies do the biggest games sell in the UK? printing such a relativly small number of games will cause a price increase, hell, the UK is only 60 million people, how many are active gamers?
Mikey
13-02-2008, 12:58 PM
That's pretty... stupid? Elitist? Don't know the right word to describe it, I just woke up. Makes me wanna punch someone though.
Why should we have to wait because the rest of Europe don't speak English?
That is just selfish. And most of all, it's against EU laws as mentioned earlier.
It's selfish for the rest of Europe to expect us to wait to play the games when we could be playing them now.
Why should we have to wait because the rest of Europe don't speak English?
It's selfish for the rest of Europe to expect us to wait to play the games when we could be playing them now.Don't be the typical British "I only belong to Europe when I need cheap trade" arse. You have to wait because there is a set of laws that restrain us all, and give distribution problems to each European country.
The Netherlands have one of the best adoptions of the English language, nobody cares about French or Italian, and games are never even translated to Dutch, yet we're not being arrogant to demand these kinds of things. It's really shortsighted.
Mikey
13-02-2008, 01:14 PM
I doubt it...this kind of thing happens all the time in the film industry.
Quoting this for DCK....
If this is the case, we shouldn't have to wait. There's no reason for the rest of Europe to expect us to wait at all!! It's a pain in the ass. Nothing arrogant about it in the slightest.
Jonnas
13-02-2008, 01:22 PM
It's selfish for the rest of Europe to expect us to wait to play the games when we could be playing them now.
It's selfish for the UK residents to expect other people to play games in English just because they can't wait a couple of months.
Imagine if the main language in the US was Spanish. I bet you would demand a translation to English when it came out in the UK, and wouldn't mind a couple of months in delay.
Mikey
13-02-2008, 01:27 PM
No, it would just mean that the game is released in the UK before it is released to the rest of Europe. You would still get your translated games just like you do now, we'd just be getting ours earlier. No one expects the rest of Europe to speak English at all.
Jonnas
13-02-2008, 01:31 PM
No, it would just mean that the game is released in the UK before it is released to the rest of Europe. You would still get your translated games just like you do now, we'd just be getting ours earlier. No one expects the rest of Europe to speak English at all.
So what you're asking is to be European, but when shit happens, you want to pretend you're not, and get special privileges.
If that's the case, then every other single European country should get the games before Spain, France, Italy and Germany.
Mikey
13-02-2008, 01:41 PM
Yep, pretty much. Nothing wrong with it. English is our main language, and if an advantage of having it as our main language means we get games early, then so be it. Other countries not having English as their main language is not our problem. Europe will carry on the same as always, the only country it will affect is the UK.
Other countries not having English as their main language is not our problem.Oh right, the UK shouldn't have anything to do with problems in the European Union, as they're not their problem. You're not in the EU for fun, you know. You know what is our (and I'm actually referring to Europe here instead of sitting on my private rock) problem? Nintendo's reluctance towards Europe. Translations are just a tiny factor in the delays anyway.
You're expecting changes in import, age rating and whatnot regulations just to satisfy your selfish self. That, and you'd be ruining the games economy in the rest of Europe due to huge demand from the 'mainland'. This idea is really short sighted.
Gentleben
13-02-2008, 02:08 PM
Quit pipe dreamin'
NOE is NEVER going to split the UK from it's region. It would be clearly unfair just because we are an Island and speak the same language as America/Canada doesn't mean we should get treated differently from the rest of Europe.
Personally I'd rather stick with Europe, sure as a whole we get the raw end of the stick but we have victories and I'm drawing your attention to:
Early Release
Wii Chess, Endless Ocean, 42 all time classics, , Bomberman Story, Bubble Bobble/Rainbow Island/New Zealand Story Revolution, Maths Training,
Never Released in USA
Ie Doshin the Gaint, Tingles Rosecoloured Rupeeland, and Kuru Kuru Kurin
If we split from Europe, we wouldnt get the Club Scheme since hes run from Germany Nintendo HQ. Europe works well as a whole, and a lot of thought/planning goes in to when to release games in the European region.
Besides doesn't the wait make the play of a delayed game even sweeter?
Shino
13-02-2008, 02:34 PM
You do realise that translations have fuck all to do with release dates? We're talking about video-games not the Bible.
I'd suggest we didn't get our games banned or censored based on the British rating.
Mikey
13-02-2008, 02:48 PM
Oh right, the UK shouldn't have anything to do with problems in the European Union, as they're not their problem. You're not in the EU for fun, you know. You know what is our (and I'm actually referring to Europe here instead of sitting on my private rock) problem? Nintendo's reluctance towards Europe. Translations are just a tiny factor in the delays anyway.
You're expecting changes in import, age rating and whatnot regulations just to satisfy your selfish self. That, and you'd be ruining the games economy in the rest of Europe due to huge demand from the 'mainland'. This idea is really short sighted.
For fuck sake. They do it all of the time with other products. Not everything in that is shipped to the UK has to be shipped to the rest of Europe as well. They could just give us the US versions, sort out some of the minor details, and it'd be fine.
Sheikah
13-02-2008, 03:43 PM
:'(
Why are you so mean to us?
Do you really think that being only UK will help you with the release dates? It will make UK and the other country's suffer even more :\
I think he means getting the US translated games straight off. It makes sense; I don't get why we wait for translations that we don't even need when for things like DS games, you simply need to ship them out and write "PAL" on them, job done.
Saying that, like all these petitions this will do nothing. ;)
blender
13-02-2008, 03:47 PM
I think we should split n-europe forums also. I am fed up all these portugeuse trolls trying to take over!
For fuck sake. They do it all of the time with other products.Those products are shipped off to the rest of Europe just as much. Straight importing stuff from the USA is not the same thing as putting the UK in an unfair special position.Not everything in that is shipped to the UK has to be shipped to the rest of Europe as well. They could just give us the US versions, sort out some of the minor details, and it'd be fine.That's exactly what they're doing at the moment - the languages are a relatively minor delay in any serious game. I don't care about the other languages either (I wouldn't even bare to play a game in Dutch), but these translations are not the cause of the delay. These delays are because of strategical and legislative reasons, not the language.
These delays are because of strategical and legislative reasons, not the language.
So NoE are totally lying about the situation?
M-PG71C
13-02-2008, 05:38 PM
Language, is no doubt, a barrier in getting much of anything released. Especially in Europe where you have multiple dominating languages.
I really don't have an opinion of it because I don't live in Europe, but my advice to you is if you really want to play English games early, import. I know a number of people who live in Europe and whose primary language is English end up just buying an American console and import everything from here.
Hell, I know I'll be stationed in Germany several years from now and that is what I'll be doing too. Keep my American consoles and import. It is a simple solution.
Hellfire
13-02-2008, 05:55 PM
I think he means getting the US translated games straight off. It makes sense; I don't get why we wait for translations that we don't even need when for things like DS games, you simply need to ship them out and write "PAL" on them, job done.
Saying that, like all these petitions this will do nothing. ;)
Oh God that's hilarious. You have no idea what PAL and NTSC is do ya? Do you think it's just some thing they did to annoy us?
Wow.
EchoDesiato
13-02-2008, 06:02 PM
This thread offends me. A big "well, fuck you too" to the ones that agree with this.
Mikey
13-02-2008, 06:05 PM
Then you're getting offended over nothing. This wouldn't affect the rest of Europe, they would recieve their games like they always have done, it just means we won't have to wait for translations which don't apply to us anyway.
EchoDesiato
13-02-2008, 06:08 PM
Then you're getting offended over nothing. This wouldn't affect the rest of Europe, they would recieve their games like they always have done, it just means we won't have to wait for translations which don't apply to us anyway.
It does affect Europe, because we're being treated unfairly. Would you think it's fair if Belgium suddenly got their games translated to Dutch (I still prefer English though) and got their games released earlier than the UK and the rest of Europe?
So NoE are totally lying about the situation?
NoE knows fuck all, NoJ decides when games come out where.
Mikey
13-02-2008, 06:11 PM
If other countries in Europe spoke English, then they'd get the games the same time as England too, this is why countries like Wales, Scotland and Ireland would get the games the same time as England, because they speak English. You wouldn't be getting treated any more unfair than what you are being treated now.
Maase
13-02-2008, 06:15 PM
I think we should split n-europe forums also. I am fed up all these portugeuse trolls trying to take over!
X_X
Was that an insult or irony? lol, didn't get it..
If other countries in Europe spoke English, then they'd get the games the same time as England too, this is why countries like Wales, Scotland and Ireland would get the games the same time as England, because they speak English. You wouldn't be getting treated any more unfair than what you are being treated now.Yeah we would, because it isn't the simple one two three you make it out to be - this is economical suicide. Suppose the language is the issue here, and the UK could magically get the games around the same time as the USA (which is impossible). Then, not only would we have you rubbing in the games way before us (basically removing the point of N-E being N-Europe), but mostly, you and us would be screwed over by a huge number of stores importing from the UK, fighting for early free trade PAL releases. This would cause extreme shortages in the UK, which are bad enough as they are, and then have 'them mainlanders' fighting over what was managed to be imported accros the canal. It would cause extreme dissappointment and consumer complaints in the UK, straining the games market, and it would cause confusion and even more market strain due to shortages on the mainland. No party involved is going to be any better off, but mostly you'll be screwing over mainland Europe.
The only way to make it happen is to introduce the idea in the entire EU.
But this isn't even possible. Also, I completely agree with Echo, the very idea is ridicilous.
Sheikah
13-02-2008, 06:27 PM
Oh God that's hilarious. You have no idea what PAL and NTSC is do ya? Do you think it's just some thing they did to annoy us?
Wow.
Of course I do! As an avid importer for many years I've known about the differences for ages. Sorry if my post sounded ignorant. My point is that the DS, unlike most consoles, is region free anyway, and the DS screen does not come under the same past problems TVs had with the 50Hz/60Hz conundrum. So really there could be no difference between the NTSC and PAL UK versions if they wanted to, as we speak the same language.
It would be possible to release at the same time as the US in the UK, then carry on with translations to release another version. That is why the person before probably suggested that we should be split from the rest of people. I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree (import games are cheaper anyway, lol) ;)
will'
13-02-2008, 07:22 PM
DCK do you know for a fact NoJ decide all release dates? I'd be very surprised f they do, its not like someone in Japan presses a big red button and along comes Wii Fit in Europe.
There's a lot more that comes under the localisation banner than just languages. Games need to be classified, tested, a whole host of other things, its a very big job indeed. Release dates are a lot better than they used to be with often parallel development going on in order to reduce the delays as much as possible. The reasons for delays are undoubtedly not to do with these issues though. Different markets operate differently and companies need to release their products to get the best possible return in any given region. The waits are more down to economic factors than technical ones.
The UK splitting off from Europe is never going to happen. Europe and US are run by different companies and why would Euro divisions want to give away their best market to the US? It just wouldn't make any sense.
What I really don't get is if it bothers you that much just import from America yourself. Its easy, often cheaper than buying things here and you get your desired result. Theres really no need to be complaining at all - you have the choice of a global market if you choose to use it.
Sheikah
13-02-2008, 07:27 PM
I know, one of the bigger reasons is probably that it is cheaper to launch in Europe all at once, after enough copies have been produced and advertising campaigns, classification etc are launched at once. I was just clarifying the person's viewpoint before, because technically it would be easy to do, if not financially the best option...
DCK do you know for a fact NoJ decide all release dates? It couldn't really be any other way. Nintendo is in fact Nintendo of Japan - it's where the company started, it's where all the executives are. NoA and NoE were founded to make localisation and marketing easy to manage more locally. All company strategies about maximizing profit are still in Japan though; as you might've noticed all NoA job titles have something to do with localisation or PR - none are about actually making games or making strategy.
I don't think NoJ can pinpoint exact dates for their subdivisions, as it would give too many local problems. They probably say "stock and strategy say it's best to release the game somewhere between this week and that week", and then NoA/NoE are given freedom to release the game there, whatever they can manage best.
Hellfire
13-02-2008, 08:18 PM
X_X
Was that an insult or irony? lol, didn't get it..
He's our resident troll and spammer, don't worry. It's like having a monkey.
Jonnas
13-02-2008, 09:46 PM
The whole idea of splitting UK from Europe is selfish.
Like I said, those who support the idea should realise that UK is a part of Europe, and that means the UK must endure whatever affects Europe as a whole. They shouldn't expect "special privileges" just because they happen to speak the same language as the US. It's extremely elitist.
Maase
13-02-2008, 09:52 PM
You know, don't the brasilians have the games at the same as USA?
And doesn't Mexico has the same date as USA?
Then... if the United Kingdom deserves the USA... maybe the Portugueses and the Spanishes deserve it too :P
Jonnas
13-02-2008, 10:04 PM
You know, don't the brasilians have the games at the same as USA?
And doesn't Mexico has the same date as USA?
Then... if the United Kingdom deserves the USA... maybe the Portugueses and the Spanishes deserve it too :P
I don't think the games get translated to Spanish and Portuguese in the NTSC versions (although they should).
I know it happens with some PC games, though. And it was quite irritating seeing a Portuguese option in the South American version of LBA2, but not in the European version. :heh:
Mikey
13-02-2008, 10:32 PM
The whole idea of splitting UK from Europe is selfish.
Like I said, those who support the idea should realise that UK is a part of Europe, and that means the UK must endure whatever affects Europe as a whole. They shouldn't expect "special privileges" just because they happen to speak the same language as the US. It's extremely elitist.
Honestly, why should we have to put up with a bad deal the rest of Europe gets, when we can avoid it?
Jonnas
13-02-2008, 10:39 PM
Honestly, why should we have to put up with a bad deal the rest of Europe gets, when we can avoid it?
That's the point. You can't.
You are European. Accept the fact that you can't get an American treatment.
Mikey
13-02-2008, 10:57 PM
I meant if we could.
Hellfire
13-02-2008, 11:36 PM
Because you're a part of Europe, it's as simply as that.
Sheikah
14-02-2008, 12:59 AM
Just import, it's cheaper.
M-PG71C
14-02-2008, 01:42 AM
Just to correct, it is not called NOJ, it is called NCL. As in Nintendo Corporate Limited. Since their headquarters are in Japan, the Japanese refer to them as NCL and everyone else in the media follows just that. Besides, NOJ does not exist since that would imply it would be a branch, like NOA/NOE.
Just thought I should fill you guys in. :) It also works the same way for Sony's gaming division. There is SCEA, SCEE, and then there is simply SCE. The last one implies the headquarters which, just the same as Nintendo, is in Japan and thus the J mocker is inappropriate and incorrect.
Shino
14-02-2008, 02:22 AM
Yeah and we wouldn't want to offend them now would we?
Yeah and we wouldn't want to offend them now would we?
There getting Animal Crossing Wii this Xmas....so thats Wii Fit, Brawl, Mario Kart and now Animal Crossing before Europe! God damn!
I personally feel offended, as Europe have been totally pushed aside, again!
Fierce_LiNk
15-02-2008, 03:19 PM
The UK is a PAL territory, like the rest of Europe. The UK IS part of Europe. Kinda bugs me when people refer to the UK as "England" and the rest of the continent as just "Europe."
What about Australia? How are they for release dates?
Should the whole word speak Japanese just because they get games much quicker than us?
Colin
15-02-2008, 03:33 PM
Non-gamers don't care about release dates. They tend to have no clue as to when things are coming out unless advertised by Nintendo, and Nintendo's customers currently are the whole Nintendogs and Wii Sports crowd. There's no hope here.
Get a 360, man up, and play real games.
Gizmo
15-02-2008, 04:36 PM
The UK is a PAL territory, like the rest of Europe. The UK IS part of Europe. Kinda bugs me when people refer to the UK as "England" and the rest of the continent as just "Europe."
What about Australia? How are they for release dates?
Should the whole word speak Japanese just because they get games much quicker than us?
Reminds me of playing Bankshot Billiards on XBL against some American guy. He asked where I was from because he liked my accent. I replied "Britain". He said "Oh, Britain? Cool. Isn't that near the UK?"
/irrelevant anecdote.
dazzybee
15-02-2008, 05:46 PM
I just don't understand why people complain about Japan getting the games before we do! THEY'RE A JAPANESE COMPANY!!!
It's like the biggest British bands releasing their albums in japan before UK.
Or Hollywood films released in Japan before America!!
Anyways, I love Europe and all, but I class myself as English no European and I hope we never join the Euro :) Though that's a complete other issue.
As for separating us with game releases?!?! Well, I would say yes because it means we get games quicker but I aint THAT bothered.
Though most Europeans speak in English so maybe they shouldn't bother translating :)
PS And Americans speak the same language as others not the other way around :P
blender
17-02-2008, 05:31 PM
I thought europe was a country? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juOQhTuzDQ0&eurl)
mcj metroid
17-02-2008, 07:23 PM
http://www.petitiononline.com/ukgamers/petition.html
I wouldn't know if this would be possible or not, although I certainly wouldn't mind getting localized American games at the same time as them. What do you guys think?
(Btw, I put this in the Wii thread because it seems to be Wii games that suffer the most from localizations nowadays.:( )
why uk gamers only? thats so arrogant and childish.. you know there are other countries in europe that CAN speak english too... thats why this petition fails..or I hope it fails more like(and of course it will like all petitions)
This thread offends me. A big "well, fuck you too" to the ones that agree with this.
totally agree with this post.
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