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Tellyn
04-01-2008, 06:45 PM
There's a lot of rumours in the new EGM but I just want to highlight one.
- Microsoft canceled an XBLA release of Goldeneye 007 at the last minute
Interesting.
http://gonintendo.com/?p=32720
Man, Goldeneye on XBLA OMG! That would have been the dogs balls online would have been sweet.
Oh well, I wonder why they cancelled it at the last minute (legal reasons?)
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Dante
04-01-2008, 09:04 PM
Man, Goldeneye on XBLA OMG! That would have been the dogs balls online would have been sweet.
Oh well, I wonder why they cancelled it at the last minute (legal reasons?)
Well Fex:
Nintendo owns the game code.
Activision owns the bond license.
Sony owns the the film rights.
Bluejay
04-01-2008, 10:24 PM
As great as the game was back in the day, I don't think it would play well now.
In most cases, FPS' don't age all that well.
Aalborg
05-01-2008, 05:51 AM
yes i could see "newcomers" play it now and wonder what all the fuss was about.. im reminded of Spaced when Tim is having a go at the little kid who wants a jar jar doll "you werent there at the time.. you dont know how great it was".. ha ha. Very few of the oldies survive in a playable way, it fun for about 5 minutes because of the memories
darksnowman
05-01-2008, 01:27 PM
Well Fex:
Nintendo owns the game code.
Activision owns the bond license.
Sony owns the the film rights.
You forgot to mention that Miscrosoft now own Rare, who developed the game. :wink:
Tellyn
05-01-2008, 01:58 PM
It's a complicated web of rights, caught between Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. Not the best combination.
In most cases, FPS' don't age all that well.
Perfect Dark is one exception.
Jimbob
05-01-2008, 02:15 PM
With all the complications of getting this game to get re-released i doubt we will even see it come out on any format
Dante
08-01-2008, 08:49 PM
New Infomation
According to the same source, this amazing edition never got the green light because Nintendo put pressure on Activision so they wouldn’t let Microsoft use the Bond licence.
Technically speaking, Activision doesn’t need Nintendo’s permission to do anything with Bond, but given the original release of the game and their good relationship with the Nintendo, they decided to play fair and ask first. Apparently, Nintendo’s CEO Satoru Iwata simply said “no” to any form of GoldenEye in any console but their own.
Activision then denied the use of the licence to keep their good terms with Nintendo.
The funny thing about it is that during the bilateral negotiations between Microsoft and Nintendo, the Japanese were offered the possibility of getting the rights to release the original GoldenEye 007 for their Virtual Console in exchange of their blessing for a special edition on Microsoft’s Xbox Live Arcade. Rumour has it they didn’t like the deal, which was, in any case, beneficial for everybody. Including their users.
So basically Nintendo wants GoldenEye. Microsoft wants GoldenEye. Rare wants GoldenEye. Activision wants GoldenEye. And players yearn for GoldenEye. But thanks to the first ones, nobody gets GoldenEye, unless Microsoft or any company without strong commercial ties with Nintendo obtains the Bond licence someday.
This wouldn’t have been the first time an insider published something as important on Penny Arcade, but there isn’t any way to prove its authenticity except for two reasons. The first is that all their information matches perfectly with the logic behind Nintendo’s announcement back in 2006 and recent comments on the cancellation of GoldenEye 007’s remake as published in the latest EGM magazine.
mundorare.com (http://mundorare.com/news/2008/never-say-never-again/)
AshMat
08-01-2008, 08:54 PM
I didn't even realise this was being made...
Anyway like has already been said, i don't reckon it will have aged well, i played it the other day on the N64, and especially when i've ben spoiled by modern day FPSs.
The funny thing about it is that during the bilateral negotiations between Microsoft and Nintendo, the Japanese were offered the possibility of getting the rights to release the original GoldenEye 007 for their Virtual Console in exchange of their blessing for a special edition on Microsoft’s Xbox Live Arcade. Rumour has it they didn’t like the deal, which was, in any case, beneficial for everybody. Including their users.
Why don't Nintendo ask for the special edition for WiiWare and Xbox Live?
The fish
08-01-2008, 09:18 PM
Why don't Nintendo ask for the special edition for WiiWare and Xbox Live?
Because that makes sense. This is Nintendo we're talking about, remember...
AshMat
08-01-2008, 09:20 PM
I'd personally say let RARE choose, they made this game after all, fuck who owns the liscenses and all that crap.
ShadowV7
08-01-2008, 09:47 PM
Cause of all the crap Nintendo go on about "We don't wanna edit the originaly" etc.
Come one be a team player here and just get additions added or release the original. Not as if it's a AAA game.
darksnowman
09-01-2008, 09:51 AM
I'm with Iwata on this: if its on anything it should be on something Nintendo makes and nowhere else. It just wouldn't feel right for Microsoft to get their enhanced version... or any version, Nintendo are doing the right thing with holding onto it. The only way I would ever download it on VC is if it has some new content/ online play because I still have the original on N64. If the politics can't be worked out though its not gonna end the world.
M-PG71C
09-01-2008, 08:27 PM
No offense DarkSnowMan, but screw that! The thing is, Nintendo has nothing to hold on to besides not spoiling a good relationship between Activision and NCL. Although if reports are to be held true, it seems Activision may just go on and give the green light to MS to release it anyway. The amount of money on the table is way too much to ignore. Believe me, I really do hear you in every respects but to hold back a really great remake for a silly reason like that just doesn't make any sense. Especially if NCL was given a chance to compromise instead of being stubborn about it.
If one cannot play the role of a diplomat, surely one can play the role of a general! The former requires compromises, the latter requires logic.
darksnowman
10-01-2008, 07:12 PM
Lad, I don't wanna slag you too much cos I really like your sig, but I mean... okay, I'm not working for Nintendo or anything, but it wouldn't feel right to see such an iconic game be on the Xbox 360. Sure it might be the best solution for "everyone" but my instincts are selfish on this, get the enhanced version with online play onto the VC and nowhere else I say.
yes i could see "newcomers" play it now and wonder what all the fuss was about.. im reminded of Spaced when Tim is having a go at the little kid who wants a jar jar doll "you werent there at the time.. you dont know how great it was".. ha ha. Very few of the oldies survive in a playable way, it fun for about 5 minutes because of the memories
Sorry to be picky but if you mean FPS's maybe, if you mean games in general, a hell of the older games are some of the most playable around.
M-PG71C
10-01-2008, 07:22 PM
Lad, I don't wanna slag you too much cos I really like your sig, but I mean... okay, I'm not working for Nintendo or anything, but it wouldn't feel right to see such an iconic game be on the Xbox 360. Sure it might be the best solution for "everyone" but my instincts are selfish on this, get the enhanced version with online play onto the VC and nowhere else I say.
The thing with that kind of mentality is understandable, but if that was the case that would seriously limit a number of games. A large amount of the Nintendo fanbase wants to see an FFVII port/remake on some kind of Nintendo console. But you have your Sony fans who state that since it came out on the PSOne, it should only come out on Sony platforms, peroid.
Or the same can be said about any number of franchises. It may be because I frankly could care less about "system loyality" but meh. It is just my opinion on the matter, nothing more or less. Ultimately, it is up to the companies involved and I have a uncanny feeling that if there is enough money left on the table, no company in their right mind is going to ignore it.
Also, thanks for complimenting my sig! :)
Oh and plan too get a Wii some time in near future I would LOVE too see this game on VC, IMO it rules, Sheer classic.
Fierce_LiNk
10-01-2008, 07:29 PM
It was a bit cheeky for Microsoft to bargain for it like that, imo.
"Hey, you know that game, you know, the awesome one that got released on your console?"
"Yeah."
"Well, we want to release it on our online system, even though we had nothing to do with the original product. But, we want a special version of it."
"Ok...so, what do we get in return?"
"Well, you can have the original."
"....fuck that!"
If it should appear on any system, it should be a Nintendo system, as it were Nintendo gamers who were the original ones who came to love the game.
Tellyn
10-01-2008, 07:34 PM
The story says the first proposed deal was just for Nintendo to authorise a Xbox 360 remake, no Virtual Console version. The VC one was only offered when Nintendo refused. :heh:
darksnowman
10-01-2008, 07:51 PM
You know, M-PG71C I do see what you're saying, believe me I do. But like Fierce says too, GoldenEye was on the N64 and was one of the biggest games on it. Everyone loved it back in the day and it is strongly associated with the N64 and Nintendo. I know that you can try to flip the coin and say that an FF VII has the right to be on the PS3 more than the Wii, and you'd be correct. The thing is though, despite Square having a close relationship with Sony, they weren't a second party. Rare didn't choose to put GoldenEye on the N64 rather than the more popular PS1, they did it because they were part of Nintendo.
The story says the first proposed deal was just for Nintendo to authorise a Xbox 360 remake, no Virtual Console version. The VC one was only offered when Nintendo refused. :heh:
Jesus! thats pretty shameless on Microsofts part.
Patch
11-01-2008, 02:19 PM
Any news stories about Goldeneye reappearing should be taken with a mountain of salt.
Reading some message boards (not this one), you'd think certain greasy-skinned teenagers in their bedrooms were actually fully qualified lawyers in their spare time.
McPhee
11-01-2008, 05:30 PM
Why don't Nintendo ask for the special edition for WiiWare and Xbox Live?
They wouldn't get it, remaking Goldeneye for XBLA will cost Microsoft money. Remaking Goldeneye for XBLA and VC/WiiWare would cost them even more money, and you can bet Nintendo wouldn't be willing to part with a penny!
This is just the same old Nintendo, they're so far up they're own arses they've forgotten what the sun looks like.
darksnowman
11-01-2008, 07:09 PM
This is just the same old Nintendo, they're so far up they're own arses they've forgotten what the sun looks like.
Here here. And sure while they are at it, hand over Mario Kart 64 too and let them add some online multiplayer to it.
Might as well.
Gizmo
11-01-2008, 11:46 PM
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165391
The plot thickens. With the amount of rumours about this now from so many different sources I'd have to say maybe it was true.
But then again, would we really want it released?I might get my N64 out tomorrow to see how it holds up.
Shorty
12-01-2008, 02:16 AM
It's not that great anymore man. It was amazing in its day, a benchmark. But these days it can't compete, obviously.
Wesley
12-01-2008, 08:26 AM
I was looking forward to the chance of this.
I still hope they release BK on Arcade.
Jimbob
12-01-2008, 03:57 PM
As Shorty has mentioned Goldeneye in it's hay day was brilliant, best FPS out for a while. But, even though it is still good it is not as good as people remember it as their are better FPS games out there.
There is more chance of seeing this game on the VC than on XBLA as it is a N64 game, but you never know do you. Next game remade for VC/XBLA should be BK.
Gizmo
12-01-2008, 04:59 PM
As Shorty has mentioned Goldeneye in it's hay day was brilliant, best FPS out for a while. But, even though it is still good it is not as good as people remember it as their are better FPS games out there.
There is more chance of seeing this game on the VC than on XBLA as it is a N64 game, but you never know do you. Next game remade for VC/XBLA should be BK.
Swiftly followed by BT, of course. Which in turn is swiftly followed by the release of Threeie.
Tellyn
12-01-2008, 05:09 PM
So going by what 1Up said, if enough of us said that we wanted the version Rare's developing for WiiWare, we'd get it? No. XBLA getting a super version of the game whilst the VC gets the original alone is a bad deal.
M-PG71C
12-01-2008, 11:10 PM
From what I understand, nothing really changed from the port. I'm sure it has cleaned up a bit but online multiplayer was its only real addition.
And that is from 1UP who I trust a bit more on this issue, it sounds more realistic. I don't see why the port can't hit the VC and XBLA. It sounds like MS is trying to get a cheap deal out of it and Nintendo is trying to make as much money as possible while getting a port of it themselves. Shame on both. Although it seems MS doesn't want the VC to get a version of Goldeneye....and that is not in Nintendo's interest at all.
It sounds like Nintendo doesn't want to compromise. No f*cking surprise. They do it on the principle that they don't want any of their games from any of their systems on another system if they can help it. Especially in the case of something like GoldenEye which is held in such high esteem by gamers. Stupid company.
Tellyn
14-01-2008, 07:20 PM
It's one of the best games of all time according to Gamesrankings, I can understand why they don't want to give it away. Wii60 owners would obviously buy the 360 version over the Virtual Console version since it's more enhanced. Nintendo have no leverage to get people to buy it over the 360 version.
McPhee
14-01-2008, 07:29 PM
Here here. And sure while they are at it, hand over Mario Kart 64 too and let them add some online multiplayer to it.
Might as well.
Nintendo have rights to the original game, which is exactly what Microsoft was supposedly offering them. Anything done on top of that is Rare and Microsoft's work. Why would they have any right to Rare and Microsoft's work?
To me a deal where Nintendo get the original version seems fair, assuming Nintendo are allowed to publish it. Knowing Microsoft though there is a good chance that they're "fair deal" was them publishing Goldeneye on VC, opening up the possibility of Banjo, Jet Force and other Rare titles on VC.
Nintendo own Mario Kart 64, they don't own Goldeneye. As far as i can tell Rare own the Goldeneye code (otherwise they wouldn't have spent the last few months working on it). Nintendo obviously hold some sway over the title, otherwise we'd be playing it by march :(
It's one of the best games of all time according to Gamesrankings, I can understand why they don't want to give it away. Wii60 owners would obviously buy the 360 version over the Virtual Console version since it's more enhanced. Nintendo have no leverage to get people to buy it over the 360 version.
Haha, yeah! I can understand why they did it, and fair enough, I'd make the same decision if I worked for Nintendo. It just sucks for fans. :heh:
mcj metroid
14-01-2008, 10:42 PM
God i hate this siding with nintendo crap because it's in THEIR best interests.. DO you want to play goldeneye or not? If so shut up!
God i hate this siding with nintendo crap because it's in THEIR best interests.. DO you want to play goldeneye or not? If so shut up!
Its not in Nintendo's best interest really, its that this would benefit Microsoft a lot more, and Nintendo don't do they whole "help" thing very well. It sucks but what exacty did you expect? TBH I never though GoldenEye was going to come out again and I don't think it ever will on a non-Nintendo console.
Whatever happens, it isn't going to be as fun as I remembered it so I'm not bothered.
welsh_gamer
22-02-2008, 08:01 PM
On sale Wednesday, the latest issue of Xbox World 360 blows open Rare's retooled classic with never-seen shots and hands-on details. How different is it? What improvements have been made? What does it feel like on the 360 pad? And how can we make sure this incredible remake does see the light of day? Xbox World 360 tells all.
Source (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=183098)
Seem's like it may be getting released on Live then, or they might just have an in-depth feature about the game, before it was cancelled.
Source (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=183098)
Seem's like it may be getting released on Live then, or they might just have an in-depth feature about the game, before it was cancelled.
It's an article on the canned version.
Helmsly
24-02-2008, 02:16 PM
Source (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=183098)
Seem's like it may be getting released on Live then, or they might just have an in-depth feature about the game, before it was cancelled.
that picture made my jaw drop
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9793/screenshot193248wr9.jpg
Dyson
24-02-2008, 02:38 PM
How, how, how is it they have managed to upgrade the graphics and still keep the exact same style from the N64. It's amazing.
tapedeck
24-02-2008, 06:18 PM
Is this title the reason that Rare have been so poor as of late They've been spending that much time doing that title that the others have been terrible efforts. (Viva Pinata aside).
It's a shame it wont see release..it's gorgeous looking!
that picture made my jaw drop
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9793/screenshot193248wr9.jpg
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As much as i dont want this game released on the 360 I want this game.
Goldeneye rocks and always will be the best game ever, i still play it on the N64 to this day.
Pit-Jr
25-02-2008, 08:55 AM
If it should appear on any system, it should be a Nintendo system, as it were Nintendo gamers who were the original ones who came to love the game.
Your an intelligent guy but there is so much wrong with that statement.
That's the equivalent of saying Resident Evil Remake should have never hit the GC. Same with MGS:Twin Snakes. Or saying Skies of Arcadia should have died with the Dreamcast.
Nintendo are cradling Goldeneye as though they gave birth to it when they did little more than censor and publish it.
And since when does Nintendo give a shit about a FPS?
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