That Old Guy

[Slaggis]

The pope has said some pretty contraversial words in his lastest speech. He states that:

‘Everything that serves to weaken the family based on the marriage of a man and woman, everything that directly or indirectly stands in the way of its openness to the responsible acceptance of new life… constitutes an objective obstacle on the road to peace.’

He Belives that Gay Marriage is the biggest obsticle to world peace. Not war etc, but gay marriage.

Any thoughts?

Just for funsies, he's a random picture of the Pope:
http://www.me-me-me.tv/images/2007/12/pope_santa-hat.jpg

EDIT: Lies! The global warming thing is rubbish. The daily mail took him completely out of context. Damn them and their lies. The gay marriage thing still stands though.

[MoogleViper]

Religion is evil.

[Tellyn]

Wasn't he in the Hitler Youth?

[AshMat]

My thoughts are he's a fucking idiot.

[Cube]

Emperor Palpatine is right about the global warming rubbish (except for telling us to not save energy), but completely wrong about the gay marriage thing.

[triforce_keeper]

My thoughts are he's a fucking idiot.

Seconded.


....does anyone else thinks he looks like Satan? D=

[EchoDesiato]

Who cares about anything that old geezer says anyway (except for way too fanatic christians)?

Seconded.


....does anyone else thinks he looks like Satan? D=

http://www.rehorror.net/thirdeye06/re4_saddler.jpg

I think he looks more like Saddler. And he's small-time.

[Slaggis]

I can't stand they guy. He's the one that influences millions of Africans (and other people obviously) to not wear condoms and in doing so, in Africa especially, spread aids.

Also, the gay marriage thing is ridiculous, I mean how is that the BIGGEST problem to world peace? Infact, how is it a problem to world peace at all?

[Shino]

Being the pope and all who would have thought he would say such things ... :P

His serving his beliefs and thats his job. I think its way worse when non religious people say such things about global warming.

[MoogleViper]

Also, the gay marriage thing is ridiculous, I mean how is that the BIGGEST problem to world peace? Infact, how is it a problem to world peace at all?

Because gay men getting married will cause a rip in the space-time contium casuing all sorts of chaos from the other place to come pouring in. It's a ticking time bomb.

[Slaggis]

Being the pope and all who would have thought he would say such things ... :P

His serving his beliefs and thats his job. I think its way worse when non religious people say such things about global warming.

But the Bible doesn't say "Global warming is wrong! Believe in it and go to hell!" etc so the fact he's the pope shouldn't make a difference.

[BlueStar]

The Daily Mail took some serious liberties in quoting him on global warming. Here's what he actually said

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/12/simon_caldwell_is_a_liar.php

We need to care for the environment: it has been entrusted to men and women to be protected and cultivated with responsible freedom, with the good of all as a constant guiding criterion. ... it means not selfishly considering nature to be at the complete disposal of our own interests, for future generations also have the right to reap its benefits and to exhibit towards nature the same responsible freedom that we claim for ourselves
...
The problems looming on the horizon are complex and time is short. In order to face this situation effectively, there is a need to act in harmony. One area where there is a particular need to intensify dialogue between nations is that of the stewardship of the earth's energy resources. The technologically advanced countries are facing two pressing needs in this regard: on the one hand, to reassess the high levels of consumption due to the present model of development, and on the other hand to invest sufficient resources in the search for alternative sources of energy and for greater energy efficiency.
...
and above all with the aim of reaching agreement on a model of sustainable development capable of ensuring the well-being of all while respecting environmental balances. If the protection of the environment involves costs, they should be justly distributed, taking due account of the different levels of development of various countries and the need for solidarity with future generations. Prudence does not mean failing to accept responsibilities and postponing decisions; it means being committed to making joint decisions after pondering responsibly the road to be taken

[Slaggis]

The Daily Mail took some serious liberties in quoting him on global warming. Here's what he actually said

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/12/simon_caldwell_is_a_liar.php

The bastards! Thanks for finding that BlueStar. What the hell will the Daily Maily com up with next?
I got this from a mate who read it online. Not from that website though.


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Mind, he still mentioned the whole gay marriage thing being the biggest problem, so I'm not defending him.

[AshMat]

Well i'd never support him on the grounds he's a christian. And as an atheist it's kinda hard to support that.

[Nintendohnut]

My thoughts are he's a fucking idiot.

Quoted for both hilarity and truth. I lolled.

[Gizmo]

Because gay men getting married will cause a rip in the space-time contium casuing all sorts of chaos from the other place to come pouring in. It's a ticking time bomb.

Thats not the only thing that will get ripped if ya know what I mean.

[Noodleman]

Wasn't he in the Hitler Youth?

99% of German children from that era where it doesnt really prove anything.

[Tellyn]

99% of German children from that era where it doesnt really prove anything.

But still I don't really think he's the right man to be religiously leading millions of people.

[ShadowV7]

Guys an idiot. I hope some gay assassin goes and kills him soon.

[Owario]

Guys an idiot. I hope some gay assassin goes and kills him soon.

Yeah, that'd show him how wrong he is!

[AshMat]

Guys an idiot. I hope some gay assassin goes and kills him soon.

AS long as he follows.

The ASSASIN'S CREED

..
*cough*

[ReZourceman]

Religion is the definition of EPIC PHAILAGE.

[Mr_Odwin]

He Belives that Gay Marriage is the biggest obsticle to world peace. Not war etc, but gay marriage.


The quote from you doesn't show that the pope said it was the biggest obstacle to world peace, just one obstacle on the road to peace.

Roman Catholics follow the pope, not Christians.

Catholicism teaches those in Africa to abstain from affairs and pre-marital sex; that would prove effective in preventing tyhe spread of aids. (Maybe not as effective as condoms.) It's weird/dumb as hell that they chose to follow the "no condom" thing but are happy to break the "no sex except in marriage" part. Makes me think it's more cultural than a religious adherence.

Saying religion is evil is just a throw-away exaggerated comment. The majority of religions encourage their followers to only do good and love others.

I'm not Catholic and don't believe that the pope is a part of God's church.

[Slaggis]

The quote from you doesn't show that the pope said it was the biggest obstacle to world peace, just one obstacle on the road to peace.

Roman Catholics follow the pope, not Christians.

Catholicism teaches those in Africa to abstain from affairs and pre-marital sex; that would prove effective in preventing tyhe spread of aids. (Maybe not as effective as condoms.) It's weird/dumb as hell that they chose to follow the "no condom" thing but are happy to break the "no sex except in marriage" part. Makes me think it's more cultural than a religious adherence.

Saying religion is evil is just a throw-away exaggerated comment. The majority of religions encourage their followers to only do good and love others.

I'm not Catholic and don't believe that the pope is a part of God's church.

I didn't say it was christians, I just mentioned the Pope. Also, I don't hate all religions, I just dislike some people in them. :) But don't you think it, because he has so many followers etc, that he has the responsability of saying things like "use a condom" etc?

[EchoDesiato]

I'm a pastafarian, I'll never support anything that old roman catholic leader says. The IFSM has bigger balls than his "God" anyway.

[Shino]

People are exaggerating, its like no other pope said similar things.

[Mr_Odwin]

I didn't say it was christians, I just mentioned the Pope. Also, I don't hate all religions, I just dislike some people in them. :) But don't you think it, because he has so many followers etc, that he has the responsability of saying things like "use a condom" etc?

Sorry, not all of my post was directed at you. (I know you didn't say it was christians. :))
It was just a collection of thoughts that popped in my head as I read the thread.

I pretty much think that there should be a two-tier approach for the condom thing:

i) Don't have sex before marriage, don't have sex with anyone except your partner. If you do have AIDs/HIV (not sure of the correct term) then it's probs a good idea to not have sex at all.

ii) If you do the sex thing outside of marriage, then you're going to hell, so you might as well wear a condom you muppet.

Not sure how well thought out this post is.

[Slaggis]

People are exaggerating, its like no other pope said similar things.

No-ones saying they haven't, thats part of the point. They shouldn't be saying things like that.

Mr_Odwin - I see what you're saying, the pope is saying that people should only have sex when married etc, and thats fine. But in a continent like Africa thats just not going to happen at the moment. The pope should have realised this along time ago and should at least be saying it's "ok to use a condom". At least then he's done his bit.

[Bob07]

Meh like there aren't millions of atheists, sorry Christians since it's Christmas time, who think that gay marriage is wrong and despise the gays anyway.

[AshMat]

The quote from you doesn't show that the pope said it was the biggest obstacle to world peace, just one obstacle on the road to peace.

Roman Catholics follow the pope, not Christians.

Catholicism teaches those in Africa to abstain from affairs and pre-marital sex; that would prove effective in preventing tyhe spread of aids. (Maybe not as effective as condoms.) It's weird/dumb as hell that they chose to follow the "no condom" thing but are happy to break the "no sex except in marriage" part. Makes me think it's more cultural than a religious adherence.

Saying religion is evil is just a throw-away exaggerated comment. The majority of religions encourage their followers to only do good and love others.

I'm not Catholic and don't believe that the pope is a part of God's church.

What "branch" of Christianity are you a part of Odwin?

[KKOB]

What does the catholic church know about marriage?!

It's an institution where it's members aren't allowed partners of any gender, at all. Somehow i don't think it best for them to be preaching stuff about something they nothing about, but then again, isn't that what Catholicism is all about?!

[Mr_Odwin]

What "branch" of Christianity are you a part of Odwin?

Mormon.

What does the catholic church know about marriage?!

It's an institution where it's members aren't allowed partners of any gender, at all. Somehow i don't think it best for them to be preaching stuff about something they nothing about, but then again, isn't that what Catholicism is all about?!

Members of the church are of course allowed to marry and procreate - you're refering to its priesthood, I believe. But I don't know much about that. You can know something is wrong without doing it. (Murder, rape, bullying, etc, etc - not everything must be learned by experience.)

[KKOB]

Members of the church are of course allowed to marry and procreate - you're refering to its priesthood, I believe. But I don't know much about that. You can know something is wrong without doing it. (Murder, rape, bullying, etc, etc - not everything must be learned by experience.)

But if you're preaching about it, isn't it ideal to have some first hand experience?!

In my mind, the catholic church is a pile of shit. It's only real use is to provide free advice and support to members of it's parish to help them through time's of difficulty and even then it's hit or miss as to wether you get a nice guy, a guy who doesn't care or a child abuser (cheap shot but hey ho). The real 'church' is in people's own personal beliefs and theological ideas. The church should not be all about telling you waht to do, it should be about giving you examples and saying, this and this happened, what do you think?!

This is the case in some christian denominations however it's not apparent in the catholic church.

[Gaijin von Snikbah]

If the pope didnt say that wouldnt he be banned from being pope?

[Mr_Odwin]

But if you're preaching about it, isn't it ideal to have some first hand experience?!


I would say so, but I'm not a Catholic, and think that their views on members of the priesthood and having no marriage/relationships is wrong.

Personal beliefs don't come into it with the Catholic church - the Pope is God's spokesperson - your own views should be in line with his or you're not right. Therefore, the church is all about telling you what to do because that's the job of God's spokesperson.

If the pope didnt say that wouldnt he be banned from being pope?

To disagree with a previous pope would be to say that he wasn't acting in the name of God. To me that would break the church. "Yeah, he was speaking for God, but he was wrong." Makes no sense given their doctrine.

[Slaggis]

I just think religion is utterly old fashioned in it's views, especially on homosexuality. It needs to realise people are gay, simple. They need to just realise it's not an obsticle of world peace, it's someones life style choice. Thats it.

Thats why i'm agnostic, I like to leave the option open there might be a god, But I don't want to belong to any religion that has views I don't agree with.

[Mr_Odwin]

But what if there is a God and your views are wrong? What then?
(Just throwing it out there.)

[Slaggis]

But what if there is a God and your views are wrong? What then?
(Just throwing it out there.)

Well then, for lack of better words, fuck that. Something like murder, there's only one view on that, it's wrong. Something like Homosexuality, there should be only one view on that too, it's perfectly ok. I mean, unlike murder, you don't have a choice as to whether you become attracted to the same sex, but a muderer has the choice whether to become one or not.

Thats why I find it wrong that religions can preach about homosexuality being wrong, when it's not someones choice to be that way, it just happens.

Also, if there is a God, and he believed my views were wrong, would I not be in a grave somewhere, or be being burned by some religion at the stake? (Extreme example, but you catch my drift).

[AshMat]

But what if there is a God and your views are wrong? What then?
(Just throwing it out there.)

Then we're all going to hell.

[DomJcg]

People should leave the nicey nicey catholics alone *looks in mirror* and concentrate on the pope, i dislike him tbh, and he looks like evil, and yes he was in the hitler youth, when it was the same standard/level as the boy scouts.

Please don't associate every catholic with your stereotypical views of them.

[Stefkov]

Then we're all going to hell.
*children chering*
I don't understand why people believe God is all loving when he sent the plagues in Egypt, killing thousands of children aswell as adults. Sends a flood to kill everything and leaves Noah to start afresh. I don't remember everything from R.E class in High school but something along the lines of if you didn't do everything good in your life he would send you to hell. The sheep and the goats was it?

The Pope does scare me though. Those Germans, next he'll say all but blonde people will go to hell.

[Gizmo]

Time to break out the old image.

http://www.brendancalling.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/christianity.JPG

[The fish]

But what if there is a God and your views are wrong? What then?
(Just throwing it out there.)

Then we don't spend eternity with the evangelists, Jehovah's Witnesses, or any of the millions of others who claim they are "right"?

That's a good thing in my book.

I personally like the Pope, the bounty on his head gives the GLA hit squad's something to strive towards.

The Pope should probably be put on trial for manslaughter by negligence for every Catholic who dies of HIV/AIDS in Africa from this day forth, because, well, he is ultimately responsible.

[Hem]

Time to break out the old image.

http://www.brendancalling.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/christianity.JPG

Sounds more like a good shrooms trip to me.

[Slaggis]

The Pope should probably be put on trial for manslaughter by negligence for every Catholic who dies of HIV/AIDS in Africa from this day forth, because, well, he is ultimately responsible.

Exactly. He has the responsability of telling people to wear and condom, but because he doesn't, people are dying. I mean, where in the bible does it say "thou shalt not wear latex around ones penis"?

[Bob07]

Time to break out the old image.

http://www.brendancalling.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/christianity.JPG

and this one

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2169/1195436223126xj1.png

[The fish]

Please don't associate every catholic with your stereotypical views of them.

Stereotypes are generally untrue, but what is being said here is not. Oh, and surely the head of the religion should be representative of the views of it's followers?

Exactly. He has the responsability of telling people to wear and condom, but because he doesn't, people are dying. I mean, where in the bible does it say "thou shalt not wear latex around ones penis"?

If your both mad and power-hungry enough, you can bend the bible to mean whatever you wish, pretty much.

[The Bard]

Who cares about anything that old geezer says anyway (except for way too fanatic christians)?



http://www.rehorror.net/thirdeye06/re4_saddler.jpg

I think he looks more like Saddler. And he's small-time.

Mate. I love you long time.

The pope is a ****, ironic, because he probably never has had a **** in his entire life, the fucking ****. ****!!!!!

[Iun]

Goodness...

[martinist]

the pope looks like he wants to eat my essence.

[Shino]

No-ones saying they haven't, thats part of the point. They shouldn't be saying things like that.

Well, its for stuff like this that I am (and a lot of other people are) an atheist, whatever the pope says doesn't concern me, and I think any religious people who disagrees with this should really question their beliefs.

[Oxigen_Waste]

My thoughts are he's a fucking idiot.

Your thoughts are absolutely correct and apply to any member of a religion.

Time to break out the old image.

http://www.brendancalling.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/christianity.JPG

Reality bites.

But what if there is a God and your views are wrong? What then?
(Just throwing it out there.)

Life is a sum of choices, I made mine, and I never back down. Not even for a "possible" God. Seriously, regardless of wether or not there is a God, here's what I have to say to him:

Go fuck yourself, you fucking hypocrite.

[Mundi]

What! Allow gay marriage! Think of the consequences man!
Nazis will ride dinosaurs again! (5 points if you get get that)

Also on the whole the pope has to aggree the old is right because the pope is the word of god shit....
Didn´t the old pope give the Harry Potter books a thumps up and the new one said it´s evil and such

[Mr_Odwin]

Also, if there is a God, and he believed my views were wrong, would I not be in a grave somewhere, or be being burned by some religion at the stake? (Extreme example, but you catch my drift).

Of course you wouldn't be burned at the stake by some religion; everyone has the freedom to choose to do what they want.

Then we're all going to hell.

Surely something to be worried about if there's a shred of doubt in you over the existence of God?

People should leave the nicey nicey catholics alone *looks in mirror* and concentrate on the pope, i dislike him tbh, and he looks like evil, and yes he was in the hitler youth, when it was the same standard/level as the boy scouts.

Please don't associate every catholic with your stereotypical views of them.

Catholics should follow the pope and believe what he says, otherwise they're Catholic in name only.

Then we don't spend eternity with the evangelists, Jehovah's Witnesses, or any of the millions of others who claim they are "right"?

That's a good thing in my book.


Your logic is flawed - as only one of the religions can be right, you'd be spending all of eternity with all of the ones that were wrong.

Exactly. He has the responsability of telling people to wear and condom, but because he doesn't, people are dying. I mean, where in the bible does it say "thou shalt not wear latex around ones penis"?

I think it's an interpretation of the "go forth and multiply" thing. The key here though is to understand that not everything in Catholicism has to come from the Bible - yeah it's their scripture, but they have the mouthpiece of God, the Pope who can say things like that without having to be supported by scripture - effectively he speaks scripture.

Stereotypes are generally untrue, but what is being said here is not. Oh, and surely the head of the religion should be representative of the views of it's followers?


The leader of a religion should lead the religion how he thinks God wants it lead, and not be swayed by the changing beliefs of the members. Their views should be irrelevant.

Your thoughts are absolutely correct and apply to any member of a religion.

Life is a sum of choices, I made mine, and I never back down. Not even for a "possible" God. Seriously, regardless of whether or not there is a God, here's what I have to say to him:
Go fuck yourself, you fucking hypocrite.

Your post is offensive to several people on this forum. This is a warning to be more considerate.



By the way, I really dislike "defending" Catholicism, but the rabid hatred generated here is just crazily unnecessary and undeserving.

[Owario]

By the way, I really dislike "defending" Catholicism, but the rabid hatred generated here is just crazily unnecessary and undeserving.

I don't think there is much point in doing so; it's not like you're going to change anyone's opinion on the matter, and by playing devil's advocate you're just permitting people to run this tired argument further into the ground.

[EchoDesiato]

Time to break out the old image.

http://www.brendancalling.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/christianity.JPG

Oh come on. It's obvious Jesus was a time travelling hippie-surfer.

[AshMat]

Surely something to be worried about if there's a shred of doubt in you over the existence of God?


But if he is real:




Your logic is flawed - as only one of the religions can be right, you'd be spending all of eternity with all of the ones that were wrong.



And that's true, then out of all the religious choices, the chances of you picking the right one is really slim.

I'll take my chances.

[Slaggis]

Your logic is flawed - as only one of the religions can be right, you'd be spending all of eternity with all of the ones that were wrong.

I can also say that there is a big chance none of the religions are right, and people are just wasting their time believing in it all. I'd rather not belong to a religion that condemns me for being attracted to both women and men. the only religion that doesn't condemn this that I know of are liberal christians, but thats obviusly just a branch off of Christianity.

I'd rather spend an eternity with all those that were wrong, rather the spend and eternitiy with people that dislike who I am because of some book that tells them they should.

[El Che]

Whatever happened to free speech? So the Pope doesn't like the gays, so fucking what? He's can like and dislike whoever he wants. Who fucking cares?

[Slaggis]

Whatever happened to free speech? So the Pope doesn't like the gays, so fucking what? He's can like and dislike whoever he wants. Who fucking cares?

Thats rubbish. If he didn't have such an influence over alot of people, then it wouldn't be such a big deal, but the fact is he does.

[Daft]

Wow, only just noticed this thread.

The Pope is a moron. Isn't it good enough just to love someone? Why the get bogged down in the specifics...oh, wait, thats what religion specialises in.

Any real Christian would look for common ground, the pope making disgusting remarks like this just help alienate people.

In all honest, why get bogged down in the specifics of God in the first place??! It is mind boggling. You could NEVER EVER EVER hope to understand a being that brought about creation. I'm just amazed people have the audacity to think they could even conceive the will of God.

[Shino]

Wouldn't it be awesome if religion was only stuff we liked? Sorry but every religion has crap like this, get over it.

[Gizmo]

It's pointless arguing over creators anyway. Everybody knows they are watching over us on their intergalactic televisions.

Those creators love their reality TV!

[Slaggis]

Wouldn't it be awesome if religion was only stuff we liked? Sorry but every religion has crap like this, get over it.

Sorry, but that's just a crap attitude. Basically saying "oh well, it's ok if the leader of a massive religion says being gay is wrong, it doesn't hurt anyone so who cares?".

If you were gay/bi or were something that was being taught as wrong, you'd have a completely different opinion.

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I love having debates on here, people don't just say stuff like "yeh well, I'm right,.....wanker!" etc which is always nice. :)

[El Che]

Sorry, but that's just a crap attitude. Basically saying "oh well, it's ok if the leader of a massive religion says being gay is wrong, it doesn't hurt anyone so who cares?".

Like I said, he can say whatever the fuck he likes, and so can you. It's called free fucking speech. Some people don't like gays, get over it.

[Slaggis]

Like I said, he can say whatever the fuck he likes, and so can you. It's called free fucking speech. Some people don't like gays, get over it.

I'm not saying he can't say what he likes (well, in this case I am, but I don't care), but when they guy is the leader of a religion which millions follow, he should be allowed to say things like that. Or am I the only one thinking this?

So if the pope was saying "Murder is right, hitler did right in killing all those jews, you should kill them too!" etc etc, that should be allowed because of your free speach thinking?

[Daft]

So if the pope was saying "Murder is right, hitler did right in killing all those jews, you should kill them too!" etc etc, that should be allowed because of your free speach thinking?

No because that is an explicit example of in-sighting hatred.

What the Pope did was just absurdly heavily imply the message of hatred...thats allowed.

[Slaggis]

No because that is an explicit example of in-sighting hatred.

What the Pope did was just absurdly heavily imply the message of hatred...thats allowed.

lol - that really does just show how messed up this world has become. As long as you only imply hatred of something, thats fine. :heh:

[The fish]

Catholics should follow the pope and believe what he says, otherwise they're Catholic in name only.

So what if Dom says that his god has told him that his version of pope-free Catholicism is "correct"? Surely, by the logic demonstrated by most religious people I know, then Dom is correct - unless, of course, Dom believes something that is in any way different to their belief, then he will burn in hell.

Oh, and before you say "who says religious people think like that", well, the evidence says they do - please, come and talk to some of the people in my school.

In all honest, why get bogged down in the specifics of God in the first place??! It is mind boggling. You could NEVER EVER EVER hope to understand a being that brought about creation. I'm just amazed people have the audacity to think they could even conceive the will of God.

That's one fairly massive presumption - have a look at the semi-recent "Origins of the universe" thread.

[El Che]

I'm just amazed that you're so shocked at the whole Catholics being against gayness thing. It's hardly something new. I also fail to see how this causes a problem. You don't like Catholics, they don't like you. So fucking what?

[The fish]

I'm just amazed that you're so shocked at the whole Catholics being against gayness thing. It's hardly something new. I also fail to see how this causes a problem. You don't like Catholics, they don't like you. So fucking what?

Maybe I have a problem with people insisting hatred against people who are doing something entirely natural to them? It's just as bad as racism.

What's shocked me is the Catholic church's failure to grow up, and act responsibly. Also, the Pope's recent attack on atheism would have been comic, had it been said by someone less influential.
(For the record, Stalin and Pol Pots atheism was coincidental to their crimes. It was not to the Crusades, and, as you all know, Hitler was a Catholic.)

[Slaggis]

Maybe I have a problem with people insisting hatred against people who are doing something entirely natural to them? It's just as bad as racism.

Exactly. Thats what I'm trying to say. It's wrong having someone tell millions (sorry, Imply) people that something that comes naturally to millions of people is wrong and they'll be going to hell for it.

[Daft]

That's one fairly massive presumption - have a look at the semi-recent "Origins of the universe" thread.

What presumption did I make? :confused:

Just to be clear, I think religion is the attempt to conceive the inconceivable.

[The fish]

Exactly. Thats what I'm trying to say. It's wrong having someone tell millions (sorry, Imply) people that something that comes naturally to millions of people is wrong and they'll be going to hell for it.

But it's in a book written by a dozen or so people at least 1,500 years ago, when there was no demonstratable alternative explanations available for the basis of their beliefs, so it must be true!

Anyway, I digress - the Pope needs to learn to be responsible...

What presumption did I make? :confused:

Just to be clear, I think religion is the attempt to conceive the inconceivable.

That we were created by a conscious being.

Again, I digress...

[Daft]

That we were created by a conscious being.

Again, I digress...

I agree. Thats not my view. Thats just my reaction to people who take that view. I am an absurdist after all.:heh:

[Mr_Odwin]

So what if Dom says that his god has told him that his version of pope-free Catholicism is "correct"?

Then it's no longer Catholicism. :)

The kids in your school sound like muppets.

[Wesley]

Being gay is unnatural but I wouldn't say it was in any way, whatsoever, harmful to peace.

Of course apart from when people get rather annoyed at each other for not agreeing. But you know, what's new.

[DomJcg]

Then it's no longer Catholicism. :)

The kids in your school sound like muppets.

How is it not? surely the purpose of any christian religion is to believe in God? I dislike this Pope as i said, but that doesn't make me not Catholic does it? I'm a practising one too, i just defer alittle at points. Surely you don't believe everything church tells you?

and yes, they are muppets

[The fish]

Being gay is unnatural

Is it?

The American Academy of Pediatrics has stated, "Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences."

The American Psychological Association has stated that "there are probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation and the reasons may be different for different people". However, it states that (for most people), sexual orientation is determined at an early age.

[Mundi]

How is it not? surely the purpose of any christian religion is to believe in God? I dislike this Pope as i said, but that doesn't make me not Catholic does it? I'm a practising one too, i just defer alittle at points. Surely you don't believe everything church tells you?

and yes, they are muppets

That is the basic gist but Christian religion splits on some details.
Just like Odwin said a catholic that does not listen to the pope is not a catholic
(excuse but my Theology is kinda rusty) they are know as protesants

[Wesley]

Is it?

The American Academy of Pediatrics has stated, "Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences."

The American Psychological Association has stated that "there are probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation and the reasons may be different for different people". However, it states that (for most people), sexual orientation is determined at an early age.

That was very enlightening but my opinion still stands.

I don't mean any offense to homosexuals by saying it's unnatural.

[MoogleViper]

Thats not the only thing that will get ripped if ya know what I mean.

And it's not the only "explosion" that will happen.

[Slaggis]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican on Wednesday condemned the film "The Golden Compass," which some have called anti-Christian, saying it promotes a cold and hopeless world without God.

In a long editorial, the Vatican newspaper l'Osservatore Romano, also slammed Philip Pullman, the bestselling author of the book on which the family fantasy movie is based.

It was the Vatican's most stinging broadside against an author and a film since it roundly condemned "The Da Vinci Code" in 2005 and 2006.

"In Pullman's world, hope simply does not exist, because there is no salvation but only personal, individualistic capacity to control the situation and dominate events," the editorial said.

The film, which premiered earlier this month in the United States and stars Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, is an adaptation of Pullman's acclaimed novel "Northern Lights".

The Vatican newspaper said "honest" viewers would find it "devoid of any particular emotion apart from a great chill."

In the fantasy world created by Pullman's trilogy, 'His Dark Materials', the Church and its governing body the Magisterium, are linked to cruel experiments on children aimed at discovering the nature of sin and attempts to suppress facts that would undermine the Church's legitimacy and power.

In the film version all references to the Church have been stripped out, with director Chris Weitz keen to avoid offending religious cinema goers.

They just get worse.

[Gizmo]

Yes. Part of the story is set in the Arctic. It's cold there. Well noticed, Mr. Vatican Spokesman.

[Tellyn]

Piss off Benedict. I watched it today and it was pretty good, the Vatican has no rights to condemn films (fictional films none-the-less) because they feel it's not supportive enough of religion.

[Slaggis]

Piss off Benedict. I watched it today and it was pretty good, the Vatican has no rights to condemn films (fictional films none-the-less) because they feel it's not supportive enough of religion.

Exactly, QFT.

They really need to grow up and start talking about the big problems in the world, not some movie that has the slightest anti religious undertone (I know the book is obviously anti, but the movie has had most of the church stuff removed).

They need to grow the hell up, fast.

[Mr_Odwin]

In the film version all references to the Church have been stripped out, with director Chris Weitz keen to avoid offending religious cinema goers.

And yet it's criticised anyway. They should have just reproduced the books faithfully.