Christians vs New Line Cinema

[Slaggis]

Catholic League president Bill Donohue discussed the league’s reaction to the upcoming movie, “The Golden Compass”:

“New Line Cinema and Scholastic Entertainment have paired to produce ‘The Golden Compass,’ a children’s fantasy that is based on the first book of a trilogy by militant English atheist Philip Pullman. The trilogy, His Dark Materials, was written to promote atheism and denigrate Christianity, especially Roman Catholicism. The target audience is children and adolescents. Each book becomes progressively more aggressive in its denigration of Christianity and promotion of atheism: The Subtle Knife is more provocative than The Golden Compass and The Amber Spyglass is the most in-your-face assault on Christian sensibilities of the three volumes.

“Atheism for kids. That is what Philip Pullman sells. It is his hope that ‘The Golden Compass,’ which stars Nicole Kidman and opens December 7, will entice parents to buy his trilogy as a Christmas gift. It is our hope that the film fails to meet box office expectations and that his books attract few buyers. We are doing much more than hoping—we are conducting a nationwide two-month protest of Pullman’s work and the film. To that end, we have prepared a booklet, ‘The Golden Compass: Agenda Unmasked,’ that tears the mask off the movie.

“It is not our position that the movie will strike Christian parents as troubling. Then why the protest? Even though the film is based on the least offensive of the three books, and even though it is clear that the producers are watering down the most despicable elements—so as to make money and not anger Christians—the fact remains that the movie is bait for the books. To be specific, if unsuspecting Christian parents take their children to see the movie, they may very well find it engaging and then buy Pullman’s books for Christmas. That’s the problem.

“We are fighting a deceitful stealth campaign on the part of the film’s producers. Our goal is to educate Christians so that they know exactly what the film’s pernicious agenda really is.”

Book and Movie warning!
Most of you are aware that the New Line Cinema release of a movie titled The Golden Compass will hit the theaters with dramatic impact on December 7, 2007. The promos for the movie are enticing and appear to offer an escape to fantasy and adventure. The Philip Pullman film, the first of a trilogy called His Dark Materials, has been compared to Lord of the Rings and C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia series. Well, it's not. The Golden Compass is the exact opposite of the Christian-based classics. The film is viciously anti-God while weaving messages of witchcraft, evolution, divination, homosexuality, and immorality. The author himself boasts that, "I am of the Devil's party and know it!".

Needless to say, we strongly urge families to avoid this "soon to be popular" movie.


Supposedly, the movie has Bombed this weekend in America because of over zelous Christian parents refusing to let children see it. New line are screwed!

It's complete bull. Thoughts from those who have seen it?

[Ashley]

Doesn't Christiany have its own agenda?

[Cube]

They ruin one of the best things about the books to make these people happy, and they still complain...

[The fish]

They ruin one of the best things about the books to make these people happy, and they still complain...

That is almost exactly what I had in mind to say in this thread when I saw the title!
How rare...

The Christians need to actually watch the film (and, for that matter, read the books...), and if they still complain, they need a slap. And a life. And bullet in the cranium.

I saw the film today, and was disappointed, mainly because there is so much missed potential - if they actually had some character development, didn't shy away from people's deaths (bloody PG rating), and kept closer to the book (and actually finished properly), then it would have been amazing. Back on topic, they also cut 95% of the "organised religion is a bunch of wank" storyline, so why the Christians want are complaining, I have no idea. Maybe they just want the attention. :blank:


“We are fighting a deceitful stealth campaign on the part of the film’s producers. Our goal is to educate Christians so that they know exactly what the film’s pernicious agenda really is.”

I'll can tell you exactly what the agenda is - it's "making as much money as is possible", which they have tried to reach by cutting out the stuff that Bill 'Retard' Donohue wouldn't like so they don't get complaints about it. But, oh no, he still complains. I'm fairly he sure he either has a mental health problem (bar probably believing that condoms are the work of the devil and that homosexuals are evil because it says it in a book), or he just really, really wants the media attention.

In fact, maybe I've worked out why the Christians all appear to hate His Dark Materials - they do with it as they do in the bible, they view it as absolute fact (or an attempt at it), not a work of fiction.
Hell, they should probably like the books, as God at least exists in the world(s) portrayed in them, which is a lot better than he's doing in this one.

And people ask me why I find organised religion really, really irritating...

[bluey]

To be specific, if unsuspecting Christian parents take their children to see the movie, they may very well find it engaging and then buy Pullman’s books for Christmas. That’s the problem.

to be specific, if idiot christian parents who dont even bother to vet a movie before they take their kids to see it and then decide they wish they hadn't - take their children to see the movie, they may very well find it engaging, develop interests in something other than veggie tales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeggieTales) and the street bible (http://www.portsmouth.anglican.org/jesus/the_street_bible/) and then develop thoughts, feelings and ideas of their own outside the short sighted teachings of the christian faith!!
OH NOES!!!

:blank:

[Slaggis]

That is almost exactly what I had in mind to say in this thread when I saw the title!
How rare...

The Christians need to actually watch the film (and, for that matter, read the books...), and if they still complain, they need a slap. And a life. And bullet in the cranium.

Agreed. I've read the book, but not seen the movie, I still don't see their problem. I mean, it's a work of fiction, it's not a book called "BOYCOTT CHRISTIANITY" is it?

They need to get over themselves. Fast.

[Daft]

"Catholic League"....makes them sound like super-heroes.

They are just spewing the usual bullcrap about stuff they know nothing about and don't even want to attempt to understand. I'm intolerant of intolerance.

I've seen the film and its surprisingly good!! Obviously not as good as the book but no one was expecting that! :p

[Mokong X-C]

Not much of a reader, so haven't read the books, I know there's people here who have, so to those, are the books as "anti-religion" as that guy says, or is he blowing it out of proportion as christian fundamentalists tend to do?

Hell i'm more likely to go see this film now, might pop to the cinema during the week.

I mean didn't god give people free-will and freedom of choice, let people make their own mind up about what they want to believe in, forcing it on them may as well be a cult

[Slaggis]

I mean didn't god give people free-will and freedom of choice, let people make their own mind up about what they want to believe in, forcing it on them may as well be a cult

If this group of Christians had their way, free-will would be non-existent. I had no interest in seeing this movie, but reading about this, I actually want to go an see it now.

[The fish]

Not much of a reader, so haven't read the books, I know there's people here who have, so to those, are the books as "anti-religion" as that guy says, or is he blowing it out of proportion as christian fundamentalists tend to do?

Hell i'm more likely to go see this film now, might pop to the cinema during the week.

Don't see the film, read the books - the film doesn't do them justice.

The books are very, very anti-religion, and pretty damn anti-god (I wont say how, it'll ruin the books for you). The films are not. In fact, I don't recall them mentioning that the Magesterium is the Church, or that "The Authority" is God at any point in the film...

[mcj metroid]

the sooner religion dies the better. I'm sick of this shit.

[AshMat]

This is all religion does, fucking religions.

[The fish]

"Catholic League"....makes them sound like super-heroes.

They are just spewing the usual bullcrap about stuff they know nothing about and don't even want to attempt to understand. I'm intolerant of intolerance.

I'm tolerant of everything, bar morons.

[McPhee]

So kids are bright enough to pick up on the Atheist undertones of these movies/books and yet are too dumb to decide they're own beliefs?

Way to go Christianity! No wonder the religion is in decline...

[The fish]

This is all religion does, fucking religions.

Religion has another use. I turn to it whenever I want my intelligence insulted.

(A gold star to anyone who can tell me who said that!)

[AshMat]

Religion has another use. I turn to it whenever I want my intelligence insulted.

(A gold star to anyone who can tell me who said that!)

You just did.. gold star?

[Slaggis]

Religion has another use. I turn to it whenever I want my intelligence insulted.

(A gold star to anyone who can tell me who said that!)

Pat Condell
I want my star!

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Religion is getting out of hand now. What the hell next?

[Sanchez]

“It is not our position that the movie will strike Christian parents as troubling. Then why the protest? Even though the film is based on the least offensive of the three books, and even though it is clear that the producers are watering down the most despicable elements—so as to make money and not anger Christians—the fact remains that the movie is bait for the books. To be specific, if unsuspecting Christian parents take their children to see the movie, they may very well find it engaging and then buy Pullman’s books for Christmas. That’s the problem.

What the fuck. What happened to the american love for free speech? Hopefully sales in the UK will make up for this.

Infact, hopefully they make the second movie true to the book and just don't release it in the US at all.

[The fish]

the sooner religion dies the better. I'm sick of this shit.

Whatever you do, don't come near my school!
If you really, really have to (say, if it were the only place on Earth that hadn't been nuked) then don't let anyone know you don't think the universe is only 6000 years old, that we were not created by an invisible trans-dimensional super being that is both infinitely complex, yet simpler than 3 particles and some energy, and that homosexuals are not equally evil as murders or rapists.

(see why my "I hate my school" comes from "I hate idiots?")

Pat Condell
I want my star!

Well done, that man!
Condell is a legend. :heh:

http://readhead.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/gold-star.jpg

[Slaggis]

A mate just sent me this:

Book and Movie warning!
Most of you are aware that the New Line Cinema release of a movie titled The Golden Compass will hit the theaters with dramatic impact on December 7, 2007. The promos for the movie are enticing and appear to offer an escape to fantasy and adventure. The Philip Pullman film, the first of a trilogy called His Dark Materials, has been compared to Lord of the Rings and C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia series. Well, it's not. The Golden Compass is the exact opposite of the Christian-based classics. The film is viciously anti-God while weaving messages of witchcraft, evolution, divination, homosexuality, and immorality. The author himself boasts that, "I am of the Devil's party and know it!".

Needless to say, we strongly urge families to avoid this "soon to be popular" movie.

This is an article from a School newsletter in America thats been making it's way round fansites of the movie. It's like they are trying to brainwash children.

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Woo! I got my shiny star!

[Zell]

"To be specific, if unsuspecting Christian parents take their children to see the movie, they may very well find it engaging and then buy Pullman’s books for Christmas. That’s the problem."

On the contrary!

[The fish]

Book and Movie warning!
Most of you are aware that the New Line Cinema release of a movie titled The Golden Compass will hit the theaters with dramatic impact on December 7, 2007. The promos for the movie are enticing and appear to offer an escape to fantasy and adventure. The Philip Pullman film, the first of a trilogy called His Dark Materials, has been compared to Lord of the Rings and C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia series. Well, it's not. The Golden Compass is the exact opposite of the Christian-based classics. The film is viciously anti-God while weaving messages of witchcraft, evolution, divination, homosexuality, and immorality. The author himself boasts that, "I am of the Devil's party and know it!".

Needless to say, we strongly urge families to avoid this "soon to be popular" movie.

Someone prove that this is made up as a joke to cause add to the annoyance of fans of the books. Please.

How it boasts messages of evolution, homosexuality, and immorality, I cannot fathom. I also can't fathom why something that promotes common sense and equality (the evolution and the homosexuality) is a bad thing. Actually, maybe I have to be an arrogant shit-for-brains to understand it, because it's almost certainly clear to this letter's writer.

"To be specific, if unsuspecting Christian parents take their children to see the movie, they may very well find it engaging and then buy Pullman’s books for Christmas. That’s the problem."

On the contrary!

QFT, the film makes you never want to look at the books, ever. It's a pity really, they're an awesome trilogy.

[Slaggis]

Exactly Fish, How the hell does the movie promote those values, especially Homosexuality? Oh right, I forgot that gay sex scene half way through the movie didn't I? :heh:

[Sanchez]

By the way if you want to see more nutcase christian movie reviews you should check out this site: http://www.capalert.com/capreports/index.htm

Where they rate them by how blasphemous they are.

[The fish]

Oh right, I forgot that gay sex scene half way through the movie didn't I? :heh:

Oh yeah! :indeed:

Silly me! How on earth did I forget that!

Maybe they thought the two male bears wrestling was sexual. Judging by how messed up in the head these people are, I would be fairly unsurprised if they found, or they thought that gay people would find, it arousing.

[Mokong X-C]

The Philip Pullman film, the first of a trilogy called His Dark Materials, has been compared to Lord of the Rings and C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia series. Well, it's not. The Golden Compass is the exact opposite of the Christian-based classics.

Last I checked doesn't the Lord of the Rings have wizards and magic? Aren't these christian fundamentalists against such things? Afterall didn't they want the Harry Potter books/films banned for getting kids interested in witch-craft... yet now their calling LoR a christian based classic? Surely Gandolfs character could also make people interested in witchcraft if Potter could :heh:

[Happenstance]

The stupid thing is, what makes the Bible anymore real than any other book? There is nothing which should allow them to be able to ban things based on it being against what the bible say.

[Mr_Odwin]

I'm religious. I love His Dark Materials. Not all Christians are like those quoted above.
Much of the good in this world also comes about because of religion and I think that if there wasn't religion the idiots that spew bile and hate in the name of God would just do the same in the name of something else.
But I believe in free speech too so let them protest all they want.

[Slaggis]

Oh yeah! :indeed:

Silly me! How on earth did I forget that!

Maybe they thought the two male bears wrestling was sexual. Judging by how messed up in the head these people are, I would be fairly unsurprised if they found, or they thought that gay people would find, it arousing.

You're probably right. Two males bears wresting? Sexual. :heh:

I have to go see this movie now, just to spite these people. It's strange, they want to stop people from seeing it, which seems to work in America, but here, we just laugh and want to go see it more. I love England sometimes.
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Wow Sanchez, that site is mental. Literally scary.

[The fish]

But I believe in free speech too so let them protest all they want.

Seconded: if these people weren't so politically powerful across the pond, then they would just be hilariously tragic.

[Slaggis]

I'm religious. I love His Dark Materials. Not all Christians are like those quoted above.
Much of the good in this world also comes about because of religion and I think that if there wasn't religion the idiots that spew bile and hate in the name of God would just do the same in the name of something else.
But I believe in free speech too so let them protest all they want.

Thats why I mentioned a "group" of christians, please don't think I'm saying all Christians are like this, because they are not. The Majority are perfectly fine. It's Idiot groups like this in religion that ruin it for everyone else, and that have made me loath religion so much.

[Sanchez]

I highly recommend their review of Jackass for an entertaining read.
http://www.capalert.com/capreports/jackathemovie.htm
This is no more than an opinion piece. No calcualtions were made of the eight minutes of this trash I saw. There is no data, no listing of findings or any other comparative information other than the opinion piece below.

I believe the Motion Picture Association of America is out to lunch and 100% morally dead, blaming their classification scheme on what the people want as revealed by survey. I now do not believe them. Though I have no statistical data to prove it (I won't analyze NC-17/X) but Jacka: The Movie should have been rated X. Better yet, it should not have been amde at all.

And guess what, it's from MTV.

[Mokong X-C]

By the way if you want to see more nutcase christian movie reviews you should check out this site: http://www.capalert.com/capreports/index.htm

Where they rate them by how blasphemous they are.

That site has some of the funniest shit ever, check this out from their Day After Tomorrow review

it lost points for the following

# homosexual song in background (Do You Really Wanna Hurt Me - Boy George)
# adult in underwear, twice
# teen in underwear, once
# making out, male on female
# male starting to unbutton woman's sweater for sex
# inappropriate touching
# (to warn freezing hands/arms)
# gaping face kissing


Lol at point number 1, these guys are having a laugh, "oh noes theres a song by a gay singer kids should not watch this" :heh:

love how they refer to "fuck" also

# the use of the most foul of the foul word

[Slaggis]

A Homosexual song! I'm shocked to the core! :heh:

I wonder what they'll write for the Golden Compass? That should be quite a read.

[The fish]

Their review of Saving Private Ryan is hilarious - I bet they would "use the Lord's name in vain" when they're being shot at...

[Sanchez]

It was not possible to compute an accurate score in Impunity/Hate (I) because of the frequency of foul language.(1) The actual score in Impunity/Hate is far below zero! Unacceptable language occured about every 1.3 minutes in this 142-minute movie.

The starting 100 points in the Offense to God (O) Investigation Area were evaporated due to a pathetically thick density of the use of God's name in vain both with and without the three/four letter word vocabulary.(2)

Shawshank Redemption, the colour of the review page hurts my eyes.

[McPhee]

Guess the film (not that hard really)

Example programming included stripping to underwear before a child, portrayal of demons/devils, shoving a pineapple into Hitler's anus while dressed as a ballerina, female breasts forming atop a bald man's head, bodies falling through flames, "I've always wanted to kill somebody - let me!" [Deut. 5:17], expressions of sexual perversion [Jude 7] and homosexual mannerisms [Rom. 1:27], a huge male bird raping a man, replacing a rabbit's ear [mockery of Luke 22:50-51], calling evil good and good evil , Satan's wife as a angel, false portrayal of Hell [Rom. 16:17-18], wanton revelry [2 Pet. 2:13], vulgar expressions [Eph. 5:4], ....... This movie took three pages of line items to annotate all the ignominies. I am sure there were more than I was able to capture. And there are far oo many to even summarize here. I will let the listing in the Findings/Scoring section tell the complete story as best I could keep up with it. [I]Little Nicky is essentially equivalent to South Park: BLU (http://www.capalert.com/capreports/southpark.htm) using Hitler instead of Hussein, live actors instead of cartoon characters, and a war between father and sons instead of mothers and Canada ... and rated PG-13 instead of R. Definitely an R-13.

[Paj!]

Fuck the Christians who are too pussy to get over it.

[weeyellowbloke]

I really do despair sometimes. These people really think this is the way to promote religeon and attract others to a faith. It's just petty, stupid, a waste of everybody's time and just ridiculous. Also why is it absolutely fine to have outright Christian childrens books and childrens with Christian undertones, but an absolute outrage to have a childrens book with atheistic undertones. It's double standards and completely intolerent. I really hope if God does exist and judgement day does come he tells these people that they are completely mislead and just plain daft.

[The Lillster]

I really do despair sometimes. These people really think this is the way to promote religeon and attract others to a faith. It's just petty, stupid, a waste of everybody's time and just ridiculous. Also why is it absolutely fine to have outright Christian childrens books and childrens with Christian undertones, but an absolute outrage to have a childrens book with atheistic undertones. It's double standards and completely intolerent. I really hope if God does exist and judgement day does come he tells these people that they are completely mislead and just plain daft.


The problem with that is, it would probably create another religion. Same idiots, different religion.

[Emasher]

witchcraft, evolution, divination, homosexuality, and immorality

Hold on a second. If witchcraft is a problem why are they ok with Harry Potter
If evolution is a problem why not ban all those science documentaries
There's divination in Harry potter and that wasn't a problem plus it was part of many religions from the past.
I don't want to even get into the subject of homosexuality
and isn't the church supposed to be telling us that we will have eternal life after death.

Most of these things are featured in almost every fantasy rpg ever made.

I'm christian and I'm not at all offended by this. If people don't want to be involved in a religion fine, who cares.

[Gizmo]

This is why I am not going to see the film.

HDM are possibly my favourite books ever, and I always wanted for them to make a movie version that is true to the books. But I just know that this is going to be so different to the book. Especially if they make Subtle Knife / Amber Spyglass movies which will be butchered even more.

[Supergrunch]

This is funny and sad at the same time... The people complaining seem terrified of the consequences of anyone having access to something that may cause them to question their beliefs. Isn't the ability to overcome temptation a desirable quality?

Also, can anyone point out where evolution is promoted in HDM? :heh:

[The fish]

Hold on a second. If witchcraft is a problem why are they ok with Harry Potter

and isn't the church supposed to be telling us that we will have eternal life after death.

You're confusing "immorality" with "immortality".

They did try and ban Harry Potter, actually.

Also, can anyone point out where evolution is promoted in HDM? :heh:

It does to some extent in the 3rd book with the Mufela (sp?), but as for the first one, especially in the film, I'm lost as you are.

[fex]

Christians grow up and stop believing in fairtales!
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[The fish]

Christians grow up and stop believing in fairtales!

They aren't fairytales, they are written in the scripture, and are the word of god, so they are the truth! :blank:

Yeah, their debating technique could do with some growing up, too...

[mcj metroid]

i know the majority aren't like this but still the world is better off without religion i feel. Never did good for anymore. It gives people hope but the so does the national lottery.

[LazyBoy]

Bloody Hell I have to read this book.

Also you have to check out that website of Christian movie reviews, best thing i've read in a long time. Check out their damnation of Lord of the Rings, good stuff.

What the fuck. What happened to the american love for free speech?

Never existed

[DCK]

American free speech is a joke.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

[Supergrunch]

It does to some extent in the 3rd book with the Mufela (sp?), but as for the first one, especially in the film, I'm lost as you are.
Ah yes, all the diamond shaped bodies. That was fairly cool actually.

[Eenuh]

Now I'm really interested in these books. Might give them a read, if I can find them in the library. =D

[Fierce_LiNk]

If you guys are now interested in reading these books because of the controvesy surrounding them, you're wasting your time.

The books are fantastic, but too much is being made about it, because once again, the media and its wife are going over the top.

These books are a fantastic work of fiction. Yes, they have Christian elements, but its purely fiction.

[Cube]

These books are a fantastic work of fiction. Yes, they have Christian elements, but its purely fiction.

So is the bible. But people still make a fuss about that.

[Eenuh]

If you guys are now interested in reading these books because of the controvesy surrounding them, you're wasting your time.

The books are fantastic, but too much is being made about it, because once again, the media and its wife are going over the top.

These books are a fantastic work of fiction. Yes, they have Christian elements, but its purely fiction.

Oh no no, I don't care about the controversy and how they supposedly attack Christianity.

I'm more interested in the fantasy element of the stories, and the fact that they are apparently great books (I'd never really heard of them before except for people mentioning them on NE).

I just love fantasy books. This summer I read the entire Chronicles of Narnia, and even those have serious Christian undertones, I still loved them. =3

[Slaggis]

So is the bible. But people still make a fuss about that.

Exactly. It's just a book. Thats why I find it so bluddy ridiculous that this select group of Christians have the audacity to moan about things like this, I mean afterall like you say, in the end they are just making a fuss about a peice of fiction, when they allow their lives to be ruled by one themselves.

[Coolness Bears]

I think it's time for me to read the books again! :grin:

i can't really remember what happened in them since i read them ages ago! but now i'm going to invest some time into them in the lead up to christmas, instead of going to see the movie! :D

Oh and this is the biggest over reaction of the year! :)

[McPhee]

So is the bible. But people still make a fuss about that.

The Bible isn't fiction. It may possibly be a flowery re-telling, but it can't be disputed that a lot of the events in both testaments happened.

[Kurtle Squad]

Did it not just get cack box office due to it being cack compared to the book?

The Bible isn't fiction. It may possibly be a flowery re-telling, but it can't be disputed that a lot of the events in both testaments happened.
Well that's like calling the Command & Conquer: Red Alert series not fiction.

[Happenstance]

The Bible isn't fiction. It may possibly be a flowery re-telling, but it can't be disputed that a lot of the events in both testaments happened.

This isnt a jab against you but a serious question, which of the events are supposed to have happened?

[Supergrunch]

This isnt a jab against you but a serious question, which of the events are supposed to have happened?
Exodus and Jesus are two that spring to mind.

[Happenstance]

Ive never heard of any proof though, thats what I was wondering about

[Haden]

lol lol lol

Oh man this thread is classic. Im gonna set a precident for every thread now.

Bad story about a segmant of one religion gets posted. The fish goes mental about how bad religion is. Nealry all the forum join in and beat the shit out of all religion ever in any way. Me and Odwin in the corner point out you guys are over generalising to a massive degree. And the issue at hand gets left untouched.

Anyway back to the story. It shouldnt be censored. Ive read all the books and loved the first two but felt the third one Pullmans actual anti religion rethoric actually got in the way of the story telling. I mean the angel in the 3rd one and god? Cmon that was hillarious it was a real shame to let that stuff get in the way in what had been a great story those things really stuck out for me as quite childish like Pullman should make his own universe not use it to take issue with what happens in this one. Anyway I did enjoy it although Im not that keen on Pullman persoanally for his comments on CS Lewis.

So many other issues in this thread. I will take massive issue with one of them though as its what I do being a history student. The historical events of the bible sieorusly so many people tried to disprove stuff about the bible in the 19th and 20th century and to say epic fail is an understatement its remarkable how many documents and relics have proven various things true. Just a cursory glance of the Oxford history of the Bible (which is neutral and peer reviewed) proves this if anyone wants I will give some proper examples later PM me to add on msn or I guess this threads been derailed enough so we can carry on?

Anyway my view shouldnt be censored very silly all round and not all christians or religions are like that so lets not make a marytar out of Pullman as hes raking the cash in no matter what.

[The fish]

Haden, is, once again, (pretty much) correct. I've decided, from now on, to become as apathetic as possible.