Ubisoft does it again...

[pedrocasilva]

Ubisoft, known for its realistic military games, on Wednesday announced a new title in its "Games for Everyone" range. "Cranium Kabookii", based on the award-winning board game Cranium, will be made for Nintendo's Wii console and is slated for a December release.

Guillemot said the company's casual games business was "extremely profitable" and helped to finance the initially costly development of games for next-generation consoles -- Sony's PlayStation3 and Microsoft's Xbox 360.Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL2287657620070822

Nothing that we didn't already know, but this is rubbing it in our faces... I'm not buying their games this generation; full stop.

In short all the profits they make on Wii games, they take the money and invest in the HD ones this explains how all games look so shitty, for instance like Brothers in Arms, instead of using that money to develop better games. (despite having asked for forgiveness in the past).

I was still giving the benefit of the doubt for Raving Rabbids and Red Steel 2, but now and with coments like this... like hell I am; I'm boycotting them, for good.


I haven't seen this yet on English forums, so anyone here who goes on to other forums and such, please feel free to copy/paste this into oblivion.

[Pit-Jr]

At least hes honest about it. Ubisoft certainly isnt the only company taking this approach.

Even Nintendo itself is guilty of it, except god only knows what they do with their profits.

[Slaggis]

They just keep digging themselves a bigger hole don't they? Screw that. That's ridiculous.

[Tellyn]

Nintendo doesn't use profits from crappy games to develop better games for Microsoft's and Sony's platforms.

[Pit-Jr]

Nintendo doesn't use profits from crappy games to develop better games for Microsoft's and Sony's platforms.


oh you! no i mean they profit greatly from casual games and invest that money in 'other things'

[Slaggis]

oh you! no i mean they profit greatly from casual games and invest that money in 'other things'

Yes but those other things seem to be games like SMG, SSBB, MP3, MKwii etc. Not games for someone elses console.

Ubisoft are treating the wii like a quicm buck so they can go and make proper games for other consoles. It sucks.

[Zechs Merquise]

I will not be buying anything from Ubisoft. They are total wankers. Giving 360 and PS3 games like GRAW and we get shite like this, then rubbing our noses in it by saying the money they make off Wii games goes to developing better games for other platforms.

Ubisoft, I hope that EA buy you, beak you up and sell you off for scrap, you are scum. I was initially made up to hear of their large support for Wii, but the crap they've pushed our way is appalling. Worse still, when they announced FarCry I was over the moon, and they wrecked it. Total *****.

[pedrocasilva]

At least hes honest about it. Ubisoft certainly isnt the only company taking this approach.At least he rubs it in our face?

And if he's that honest how come some months ago adressed to us he asked for forgiveness about how the Ubisoft launch window games were shitty? Now look at BiA:DT and hell, this comment, it wasn't addressed to us (unlike the previous mentioned one) it was for reuters.

Ubisoft doesn't want us good (like they stated upon Wii's release), they weren't counting on Wii success either, just a quick buck, and even now they think of us a easy money and don't plan on investing.Ubisoft, I hope that EA buy you, beak you up and sell you off for scrap, you are scum. I was initially made up to hear of their large support for Wii, but the crap they've pushed our way is appalling. Worse still, when they announced FarCry I was over the moon, and they wrecked it. Total *****.*claps*

[Pit-Jr]

Yes but those other things seem to be games like SMG, SSBB, MP3, MKwii etc. Not games for someone elses console.

Ubisoft are treating the wii like a quicm buck so they can go and make proper games for other consoles. It sucks.


Yeah i see that angle too, my bad. I havent bought any of the non-casual Wii games from Ubisoft so ill have to take your word that they suck ass.

[Demuwan]

This is ridiculous now.

They have lost all credibilty from me, they can go stuff thier ports.

[Cube]

Hang on....so they are saying that there's no profit in 360/PS3 games?

[Tellyn]

None of their line-up interested me anyway. I bought RedSteel and traded it in. I expected better quality than that for something that's supposed to be capable of much more than the Cube.

Hang on....so they are saying that there's no profit in 360/PS3 games?

There's profit, not enough to fund their 'next-gen' games though.

[Cube]

There's profit, not enough to fund their 'next-gen' games though.

But they're talking about this generation when they say "next gen"...

[Tellyn]

According to Reuters, next-gen means 360 and PS3 though.

[darksnowman]

It's a joke - but I still want the new Rabbids game and I wanna see what RedSteel 2 turns out like.

[Cube]

According to Reuters, next-gen means 360 and PS3 though.

If there's profit, they would be able to fund another game with the same budget as the one they've just sold.

If Star Wars Episode 2 made a profit of £10, LucasArts could still fund Episode 3 without needing to take any money from elsewhere (i.e. just using the money from Episode 2 sales).

[Mikey]

Don't buy them, and they'll go away. Ubisoft do suck though. Only games I've got of theirs that I like is GRAW and GR1 on the PC, and GR2 on the Xbox.

[pedrocasilva]

Hang on....so they are saying that there's no profit in 360/PS3 games?On the short run... Not really, specially when you take longer to break even and have to be developing and investing on a further handful of them at the same time.

For example, despite Capcom (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6214&Itemid=2&limit=1&limitstart=19) X360 Sales on Dead Rising and Lost Planet they're expecting a 14% profit drop; Take Two (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6214&Itemid=2&limit=1&limitstart=6) expects losses or break-even for 2007 despite Bioshock, etc... Square-Enix profits are also down 19% I think, I'd bet that's because of FFXIII and Versus XIII being in development (and will be for a long time).

[Shorty]

Interesting how bluntly they admit to what they're doing.

Well, it makes sense to me. You can put millions into a huge epic game on the PS3/360 and earn off that, or rake it in with casual titles on the Wii. But you want the big games on the wii? You have to put more money into scaling down the graphics and remapping the controls to work with a wii-mote.

What surprises me is that they really make a profit off these "Games for Everyone" titles, who the hell is buying this consistently average trash?

[mcj metroid]

Ubisoft suck. i said it at launch and I got flamed now everyone is saying it.

They were never great in my opinion. they're games never appealed to me. they have yet to make a decent ds game(seriously)
So it's going to be the same on the wii.

here is a new approach.

how about.....Spending money on making costly games for the system that is SELLING THE MOST!

[pedrocasilva]

Interesting how bluntly they admit to what they're doing.

Well, it makes sense to me. You can put millions into a huge epic game on the PS3/360 and earn off that, or rake it in with casual titles on the Wii. But you want the big games on the wii? You have to put more money into scaling down the graphics and remapping the controls to work with a wii-mote.Not really, they don't spend more money scalling stuff back, specially if they do the game itself from the ground; and they also have to scale down stuff for the other consoles who are still not CGI quality, requires a lot of steps like applying lots of bumps, that doubles the texture work; they could apply these bumps just the same on the Wii, but most developers don't; guess we know why, it's extra work.

Yes, I do want the big games on the Wii, when my platform clearly has the sales advantage over the competition, GC was more powerful than PS2, so I guess we'd all prefer some exclusive ubisoft games for it since it was more capable, but that's not how the market works.What surprises me is that they really make a profit off these "Games for Everyone" titles, who the hell is buying this consistently average trash?I believe they are considering casual games stuff like Raving Rabbids, since Ubisoft doesn't have that much "casual stuff" out there (most are still horrible ports), their casual shit is coming Q4 2007.Ubisoft suck. i said it at launch and I got flamed now everyone is saying it.Here's a cookie. Personally, on launch I was giving them the benefit of the doubt, it was only natural that after the initial success they would invest in better games, but they didn't.

I still respect Raving Rabbids and Red Steel team, despite them being average, but I felt there was effort given the tight schedule, but really; after this don't count on me, at all.They were never great in my opinion. they're games never appealed to me. they have yet to make a decent ds game(seriously)
So it's going to be the same on the wii.Wasn't the Brothers in Arms for the DS good?here is a new approach.

how about.....Spending money on making costly games for the system that is SELLING THE MOST!That's what they should do, no doubt, but they're clearly Microsoft bitches, so... how about "if you don't like the system don't develop for it instead of releasing shit"?

[mcj metroid]

Wasn't the Brothers in Arms for the DS good?

it was a great techical achievment no doubt. I had forgotten about ubisoft publishing it.

It's really just one game(Im not including bomberman either just because they publish them here) it's a bit sad.


ubisoft made an effort at first with the 2 great games(Yes I like red steel a lot. it's still my only fps experience on wii and i like the controls)

But nothing else was any way good.remember they actually apologised for their crap......Apologies can only be accepted with change which hasn't been done. In fact I think they have become far worse.(CATZ anyone?)

they remind me of An EA 5 years ago during last gen.

In fact even though ea did yearly updates and nothing more at least they were somewhat GOOD.

[Cube]

I still respect Raving Rabbids and Red Steel team

I still don't get why Rayman is in Rabbids. I mean, the game itself is focused on the Rabbids, the adverts feature them. They are the best thing about the game. Rayman is suited for platform games, and it hardly the most liked games character. Isn't he hated by an awful lot of people? Surely having Rayman in the game does nothing but reduce sales?

Red Steel is a lot of fun. But if it were a PC game it would be around as good as Halo.

[mcj metroid]

i guess it's because The game we know as raving rabbits started life as a platform game i'm sure.

They had promised people a new rayman platform game.

Then got caught up in the whole mini game craze and rayman stayed because of the promise I guess.

[Tellyn]

I think Ubisoft and EA have switched positions. Ubisoft used to put effort into their games and create new, original IPs such as the critically acclaimed Beyond Good and Evil. EA used to make rubbishy yearly updates of their sports titles and churn out ports.

Now Ubisoft are coming out with this casual games tripe (Horsez??? HORSEZ??? Who got paid for thinking up that!?) and not putting any effort into their games, whilst EA are trying with MySims, EA Playground and different takes on their titles such as Mii incorporation into a lot of them, and WiiConnect 24.

[Hero-of-Time]

I dont see what the problem is. The Wii so far has been a console built around mini games and non realstic types of games. If they done something like GRAW or Rainbow Six on the Wii I doubt it would sell very well, at least compared to say 360 versions.

Games like that require great visuals and the inclusion of online is a must. The Wii hasnt been able to get the online aspect right yet and the visuals from a 3rd party stand point are usually not up to scratch. Also you have to look at the kind of people who are buying Wii machines, its no longer just gamers its mothers/fathers etc. They have to make a game which will appeal to them.

As its already been stated Nintendo is kind of playing this kind of game aswell by pushing their other style of gaming rather than the traditional kind. If the company who makes the product does this then why shouldnt the 3rd parties?

I suppose I can kind of look the other way as I own a 360 aswell so I can see why so many are peed off about it but again its to be expected.

[mcj metroid]

I think Ubisoft and EA have switched positions. Ubisoft used to put effort into their games and create new, original IPs such as the critically acclaimed Beyond Good and Evil. EA used to make rubbishy yearly updates of their sports titles and churn out ports.

Now Ubisoft are coming out with this casual games tripe (Horsez??? HORSEZ??? Who got paid for thinking up that!?) and not putting any effort into their games, whilst EA are trying with MySims, EA Playground and different takes on their titles such as Mii incorporation into a lot of them, and WiiConnect 24.

Exactly true. What i was saying but BETTER:)

I dont see what the problem is. The Wii so far has been a console built around mini games and non realstic types of games. If they done something like GRAW or Rainbow Six on the Wii I doubt it would sell very well, at least compared to say 360 versions.

Games like that require great visuals and the inclusion of online is a must. The Wii hasnt been able to get the online aspect right yet and the visuals from a 3rd party stand point are usually not up to scratch. Also you have to look at the kind of people who are buying Wii machines, its no longer just gamers its mothers/fathers etc. They have to make a game which will appeal to them.

As its already been stated Nintendo is kind of playing this kind of game aswell by pushing their other style of gaming rather than the traditional kind. If the company who makes the product does this then why shouldnt the 3rd parties?

I suppose I can kind of look the other way as I own a 360 aswell so I can see why so many are peed off about it but again its to be expected.


NO The games they produce are just crap.

if the game was good whoever it was aimed at I wouln't mind.

Rayman is a minigame collection and I like it. Brain acedemy is a non-gamer game and I like it. But CATZ or HORSEZ are just bad games for anyone.

even their hardcore games are terrible 4x4 circuit etc... Their games are just crap..

the way i see it they are saying. Ok our underdevoloped games are selling we don't even need to put money into our wii games.

[Kurtle Squad]

Guys; I wouldn't complain too much. Nintendo get a percentage from all 3rd party games sold.

[pedrocasilva]

Guys; I wouldn't complain too much. Nintendo get a percentage from all 3rd party games sold.Same for Sony and Microsoft on their consoles.

We aren't complaining about third party support, we are saying they should put some freaking effort and not spit on us.

[Pit-Jr]

I dont see what the problem is. The Wii so far has been a console built around mini games and non realstic types of games. If they done something like GRAW or Rainbow Six on the Wii I doubt it would sell very well, at least compared to say 360 versions.

Games like that require great visuals and the inclusion of online is a must. The Wii hasnt been able to get the online aspect right yet and the visuals from a 3rd party stand point are usually not up to scratch. Also you have to look at the kind of people who are buying Wii machines, its no longer just gamers its mothers/fathers etc. They have to make a game which will appeal to them.

As its already been stated Nintendo is kind of playing this kind of game aswell by pushing their other style of gaming rather than the traditional kind. If the company who makes the product does this then why shouldnt the 3rd parties?

I suppose I can kind of look the other way as I own a 360 aswell so I can see why so many are peed off about it but again its to be expected.

Good post! Thats what i was trying to convey, but you did a far better job of it

[Hero-of-Time]

We aren't complaining about third party support, we are saying they should put some freaking effort and not spit on us.

I have been saying that for ages. Its great getting 3rd party support but when they are churning rubbish out then whats the point.

[Cube]

They have to make a game which will appeal to them.

I think Nintendo's advertising of Metroid Prime 3 is an attempt to introduce these gamers to our world of gaming. If the advert works, we may well see more 3rd party games like it.

[Hero-of-Time]

I think Nintendo's advertising of Metroid Prime 3 is an attempt to introduce these gamers to our world of gaming. If the advert works, we may well see more 3rd party games like it.

It will be interesting to see what kind of numbers Metroid Prime 3 pulls in compared to say Mario Party 8. If it doesnt beat that kind of game then more and more 3rd parties are going to focus on what will sell to the "non gamer".

[Gizmo]

My answer to this thread: Assassins Creed.

I don't care how many shitty minigame compilations they put out, and I don't care what console they are on. As long as they make games as this is all speculation based on previews and videos amazing as Assassins Creed, I will buy it. I'm not going to say "wtf minigame again im never buying from ubisoft again lul" because then I will miss out on games of that quality.

I know the debate is about how they are looking down on the Wii, but if thats where the money is to fund epic games like AC, which perhaps won't make as much money due to the costs of developing for the 360, PS3 and PC, then I'm fine with that. They are holding the industry back by making half assed games on one console - then driving it forward with an amazing one on another. Lets face it - big games like that won't happen on the Wii. The Wii is a completely different kind of console.

Saying all this, I am still a huge Wii fan. I want good games on it. But if I have to endure a couple of weak games to fund others, I'm fine. The good games will come anyway for the Wii.

[pedrocasilva]

I have been saying that for ages. Its great getting 3rd party support but when they are churning rubbish out then whats the point.Then I don't get your previous post stating "what's the point in doing "insert name" for the Wii? It wouldn't sell as much"

I mean... who knows if they put some effort? who knows if Horsez wouldn't sell more on X360?

They're simply looking down on us.

Ubisoft point in very clear, they don't want to split their userbases and don't want hardcore gamers to go and buy a Wii when it won't have Splinter Cell and Assasins Creed (it's kind of the same for PS3 considering they also got some crappy ports), instead they want to convey them, so Wii is not welcome in their plan.

Of course, if they don't make those games for it how do they expect to sell them? publics are created based on the games a console has, and Ubisoft isn't even trying it's only natural. Well, they are trying to say "hardcore gamers, go away" because of their own selfish convenience.

Instead they are ignoring and making enemies out of a +10 million and growing userbase; and I sure hope that bites them in the ass some time soon.

[Hero-of-Time]

Its about picking a franchise that would work or even coming up with a new one *points at Zack and Wiki*GRAW was just an example I used and Im really cant see a game like that working on the Wii, especially with the way the online is.

That Horse game simply wouldnt sell more on the 360 ( shouldnt sell any on any console IMO ) due to the fact they cant shift them kind of games. I watched the GT Bonus Round the other week and they said the same thing. Games like Viva Pinata which is an awesome game didnt sell very well on the 360 as its not the kind of game that that audience wants. If RARE had made that on the Wii I imagine it would have sold a hell of alot better.

Like I said before it doesnt matter how good the game is or how much effort is put into making it if it doesnt match the tastes of the main audience then it simply wont sell as well as it should.

[pedrocasilva]

My answer to this thread: Assassins Creed.90% of us in this thread would buy Assasins Creed, or any game with the same kind of effort if it was coming for the WiiI don't care how many shitty minigame compilations they put out, and I don't care what console they are on. As long as they make games as this is all speculation based on previews and videos amazing as Assassins Creed, I will buy it. I'm not going to say "wtf minigame again im never buying from ubisoft again lul" because then I will miss out on games of that quality.Problem is what we're getting.

Ubisoft is taking the profits done here and investing them on a game that isn't coming out here, and proud of that, they could at least work in some replacements.I know the debate is about how they are looking down on the Wii, but if thats where the money is to fund epic games like AC, which perhaps won't make as much money due to the costs of developing for the 360, PS3 and PC, then I'm fine with that. They are holding the industry back by making half assed games on one console - then driving it forward with an amazing one on another. Lets face it - big games like that won't happen on the Wii. The Wii is a completely different kind of console.Why not? Horsez is that will happen on the Wii instead? that's entirely Ubisoft's judgement.

Wii is as able to put out epic games as other consoles, might not be HD and all, but sell's like cakes, that alone warrants the capability of having a broad appeal and well... selling games.

If we go for power alone, PC would already be better for a game like Assasins Creed than PS3 or X360, but that's simply not how the market works.

Wii deserves way better than it's getting.Saying all this, I am still a huge Wii fan. I want good games on it. But if I have to endure a couple of weak games to fund others, I'm fine. The good games will come anyway for the Wii.I'm not fine, I want good games for my platform, and I refuse to buy another one just because they want me to, they're a third party not a hardware seller they have to make effort to sell to me, not tell me what I have to do.

If I had a X360, sure, but I still wouldn't be happy with their effort on the Wii.Its about picking a farchise that would work or even coming up with a new one *points at Zack and Wiki*GRAW was just an example I used and Im really cant see a game like that working on the Wii, especially with the way the online is.I disagree, I see lots of people that want realistic looking games on the Wii

Wii has a broad appeal and that brings every kind of gamer over, so with that said, I don't mind half assed minigames, but I also want games for my demographic, because I know there is market for that.

Same for Zack and Wiki, it's all good and all, but I doubt it'll sell that much, if only for the market "buy zack and wiki" campaigns; it's not the game Wii userbase eats like hot cakes, but it's bound to sell more on the wii than it would in any other platform, again, for the broad appeal.That Horse game simply wouldnt sell more on the 360 ( should sell any on any console IMO ) due to the fact they cant shift them kind of games. I watched the GT Bonus Round the other week and they said the same thing. Games like Viva Pinata which is an awesome game didnt sell very well on the 360 as its not the kind of game that that audience wants. If RARE had made that on the Wii I imagine it would have sold a hell of alot better.Thing is... we don't know, I doubt it would sell more on X360, but it certainly could sell more on PS2.

Public is created, for example "wow that console has lots of fps" that brings people with fps's in mind of course, X360 clearly has them, but there's also lots of people asking for good fps's on the Wii because of the controller, hell, Red Steel sold 1 million copies, way more than they expected, and of course Far Cry didn't, it's shit.

It's true X360 has a limited audience, because they didn't expand it and it's not a single game that'll do the trick, but Wii is already expanded in every way, just needs the games even if they don't surpass the X360 sales just yet, we're good money too, for good games, not shitty ones.

They're treating us as third rate stupid consumers that don't mind financing their good games endeavors.Like I said before it doesnt matter how good the game is or how much effort is put into making it if it doesnt match the tastes of the main audience then it simply wont sell as well as it should.I think that's a paper thin statement, if it was like that would RE4 Wii sell like it did?

The bigger the audience the bigger the public, and that means lots of small groups that get attracted into different stuff; so yeah, there's definitely a market, just like there is on DS.

Also... the Ocidental public leans more into the realistic looking games, so that's actually their tendency, instead of raving rabbids and zack and wiki; that's a minority.

[Hero-of-Time]

Thing is... we don't know

True and if we dont know then Ubisoft wont either, so they are clearly thinking why and take a risk when they can see the trends and see what sells and stick to the run of the mill games.

At the end of the day I buy a Nintendo console mainly for Nintendo games. I have suffered through all the dark eras like the N64 and to a certain extent the Cube era where 3rd parties didnt give them the support. I have gotten used to the lack of decent 3rd party support and although I was optimistic with the Wii so far I have been let down by just about all the 3rd party offereings. This is why I chose to be a multiformat gamer, I can still enjoy the Nintendos games aswell as other compaines.

[pedrocasilva]

True and if we dont know then Ubisoft wont either, so they are clearly thinking why and take a risk when they can see the trends and see what sells and stick to the run of the mill games.

At the end of the day I buy a Nintendo console mainly for Nintendo games. I have suffered through all the dark eras like the N64 and to a certain extent the Cube era where 3rd parties didnt give them the support. I have gotten used to the lack of decent 3rd party support and although I was optimistic with the Wii so far I have been let down by just about all the 3rd party offereings. This is why I chose to be a multiformat gamer, I can still enjoy the Nintendos games aswell as other compaines.But it's still worth taking a risk with the profit they made from Wii though, don't you think?

I'd also say a Naruto game on X360 is pretty risky because the darn console doesn't sell on Japan, hell, it would sell 10 times as much over there on PS3. The game even uses the cross platform UE3, so why isn't it multiplatform? it's not like it's even pushing X360 making a port should be easy as hell.

It's also a risk at that, and a stupid risk that can only be explained through moneyhatting.

Making real games, with real effort for the Wii is not as risky as that, because, unlike the above... it actually makes sense, because there's a market for them. Ubisoft is simply parcial, and they pretty much already said what they think of us.

Most people only buy a console per generation, so considering the Wii is selling buckloads not only thanks to their core userbase (otherwise it would be GC-2) making good games for it is worth it and even advisable. I buy a console for Nintendo games, but I'll support whenever good game comes out here too, so it's a matter of effort; thing is... they have to put effort, I'm not buying crap.

[Gizmo]

To be honest I don't think the having only a Wii this generation is the best idea. No matter how much people want to say otherwise, 360 and PS3 are more suited to most of these "epic" games - the higher power is more useful than the Wiimote. As innovative as the Wiimote is, it isn't suited to everything. Take a look at probably the two biggest games coming out for the Wii in the few months - Brawl and Galaxy. While they are undoubtedly going to be awesome, they would both lose very little being on a "normal" controller. While the 4 control schemes for Brawl will surely be awesome, and the pointer / two player in Galaxy would be awesome, they aren't hugely necessary. But if the Wiimote gets me amazing things like Zack and Wiki, and amazing controls on things like MP3, it has found its place.

I agree that alot of more FPS games should have Wii versions simply for the fact that the controls would give so much extra - but a game like Assassins Creed would not, and therefore is more suited to the horsepower of the more powerful consoles that allow Ubisoft to create these massive (http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/834/834724/img_4569783.html), living (http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/834/834724/img_4692906.html), interactive (http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/834/834724/img_4569779.html) cities. See every nook, window, every protruding brick on those buildings? You can use them to climb and free run. That wouldn't be possible on the Wii.:indeed: :indeed:

[Zechs Merquise]

At the end of the day the bottom line is this:

1) Ubisoft are producing cheap shite for the Wii and it is CRAP
2) They are producing good games for the 360 and PS3
3) However, conversely their games on the Wii are making them a lot more profit than the games on the 360 and PS3 which are making little if any profit due to ridiculous development costs
4) Rather than pumping Wii profits back into making some steller Wii games they are simply producing more shite for the Wii (Horsez - whi the f*ck came up with that one?) to cream off the profit and bang into ever more well developed games for the 360 and PS3

Take those 4 points into account and they're shitting on Nintendo fans and Wii owners and using them as cash cows whilst giving great but profit less gems to SONY and Microsoft.

Pedro is spot on, it stinks. They should be making sure that the people buying their games and making them the big money get what they deserve - better products, whilst downscaling development for less profitable systems.

I for one won't be milked like this, and I stick by what I said earlier, I hope EA buy up Ubisoft and break them up and sell off what assets they have. Ubisoft are slinging us the shit and laughing whilst we lap it up.

All Wii owners should stick two fingers up to Ubisoft over this and stop buying their games. Hit them where it hurts!

[pedrocasilva]

To be honest I don't think the having only a Wii this generation is the best idea. No matter how much people want to say otherwise, 360 and PS3 are more suited to most of these "epic" games - the higher power is more useful than the Wiimote. As innovative as the Wiimote is, it isn't suited to everything. Take a look at probably the two biggest games coming out for the Wii in the few months - Brawl and Galaxy. While they are undoubtedly going to be awesome, they would both lose very little being on a "normal" controller. While the 4 control schemes for Brawl will surely be awesome, and the pointer / two player in Galaxy would be awesome, they aren't hugely necessary. But if the Wiimote gets me amazing things like Zack and Wiki, and amazing controls on things like MP3, it has found its place.I disagree, otherwise we'd have to agree that was also true for GC and Xbox last gen.

That's not how market works, hell, look at DQ9 on DS, now that's how market works in extreme situations; epic attempts go to the best selling consoles.

Same with PS2, why were Final Fantasy games made for it? why not for more powerful systems, why not for the PC? Because PS2 was the market leader; market sense-wise it would be stupid to release the games elsewhere.

If, Assasins Creed is not profitable on X360, but Wii is profitable... then hell yes, it should be on Wii (this not what I've been saying in this thread though, but it's common sense if it was the case)

If Wii is profitable, they should be investing in it.I agree that alot of more FPS games should have Wii versions simply for the fact that the controls would give so much extra - but a game like Assassins Creed would not, and therefore is more suited to the horsepower of the more powerful consoles that allow Ubisoft to create these massive, living, interactive cities. See every nook, window, every protruding brick on those buildings? You can use them to climb and free run. That wouldn't be possible on the Wii.I doubt that, perhaps more effort, perhaps not the same game, but that variety of actions could be possible in every 3D capable platform if that was the focus.

Problem is not "hey Assasins Creed is not coming" we've know that for ages, thing is... what they're giving us, Wii is worth a few FPS's like you say, and we're getting shitty BiA with N64'ish graphics.

And they go to reuters interviews bragging how shitty their software line-up on the Wii is and how profitable it is.

[Zechs Merquise]

Its about picking a franchise that would work or even coming up with a new one *points at Zack and Wiki*GRAW was just an example I used and Im really cant see a game like that working on the Wii, especially with the way the online is.

I for one think that is not true, look at Red Steel, it's sold over a million copies and it was rubbish. Imagine what a decent tactical shooter with great Wii-mote controls could sell?

[Tellyn]

Pedro mentioned companies backing the market leader, which is Wii. It was previously PS2, which had an awesome lineup of games with huge support from companies such as Squeenix.

Now not even Square-Enix are producing proper RPGs for the Wii, bar Crystal Chronicles. Chocobo's Magical Dungeon is more their thing.

Don't developers realise that they can reach out to casuals with their existing IPs without the need for this childish casual crap?

[Gizmo]

I disagree, otherwise we'd have to agree that was also true for GC and Xbox last gen.

That's not how market works, hell, look at DQ9 on DS, now that's how market works in extreme situations; epic attempts go to the best selling consoles.

Same with PS2, why were Final Fantasy games made for it? why not for more powerful systems, why not for the PC? Because PS2 was the market leader; market sense-wise it would be stupid to release the games elsewhere.

If, Assasins Creed is not profitable on X360, but Wii is profitable... then hell yes, it should be on Wii (this not what I've been saying in this thread though, but it's common sense if it was the case)

I disagree with your disagreement*. The difference between the PS2 and the Xbox last gen which far, far smaller than the difference between the PS3 and the Wii. The Wii could not handle such a huge landscape like there is in Assassins Creed. It just couldn't. It wouldn't have as big crowds - something very important for the chase parts of the game. It wouldn't have as interactive buildings - important for the reconnaissance missions. The Wiimote would bring nothing to the main parts of the game, and control over the sword fighting scenes would be shaky at best. Final Fantasy being on the PS2 rather than the Xbox would mean a couple of cleaner textures.

But as I said already, I do agree that they need to push the Wii the same way they are pushing the Xbox with Assassins Creed. Red Steel 2 is a perfect example of what they should do - throw in proper online, improved controls and better sword fights, and you will have an awesome Wii game. While it would certainly work on the Xbox360, the sword fights won''t be as good, the controls won't be as good, and the difference in online and graphics shouldn't be big enough to make a real difference.

Also, don't take my sword fight references the wrong way - Red Steel and Assassins Creed have very different sword fighting mechanics.

*Grammars!

[pedrocasilva]

Pedro mentioned companies backing the market leader, which is Wii. It was previously PS2, which had an awesome lineup of games with huge support from companies such as Squeenix.

Now not even Square-Enix are producing proper RPGs for the Wii, bar Crystal Chronicles. Chocobo's Magical Dungeon is more their thing.

Don't developers realise that they can reach out to casuals with their existing IPs without the need for this childish casual crap?Square-Enix was clearly cought by surprise, but I believe they're changing their ways.

They clearly won't cancel their PS3 games, but they wouldn't greelight them today, that much is certain, too much risk.

Chocobo is a fairly big game for Japan mind you, the original one, 10 years ago sold more than 1 million copies, it also didn't start development this year, considering it's clearly maturing right now and still shipping in Japan this year.

Chrystal Bearers is also obviously a high budget game.

Square-Enix plans things ahead too, for example FFXIII was in development stages for 5 years; white engine actually started as a PS2 engine, Wii was out of the cake back then and they won't show games that they just decided to make.

Also, DS is currently Wii's biggest competitor (it got DQ9) because the userbase is huge, Square-Enix on the short run prefers to have the system sellers there, until Wii has the proper userbase; that userbase is growing really fast though; no doubt they plan more than that; that's only what they planned on developing for Wii at launch.

I'm not blaming developers for being caught by surprise with the Wii, we all where... but Ubisoft is in a league of it's own.I disagree with your disagreement*. The difference between the PS2 and the Xbox last gen which far, far smaller than the difference between the PS3 and the Wii. The Wii could not handle such a huge landscape like there is in Assassins Creed. It just couldn't. It wouldn't have as big crowds - something very important for the chase parts of the game. It wouldn't have as interactive buildings - important for the reconnaissance missions. The Wiimote would bring nothing to the main parts of the game, and control over the sword fighting scenes would be shaky at best. Final Fantasy being on the PS2 rather than the Xbox would mean a couple of cleaner textures.I disagree, I'd go more with Wii couldn't handle as many people on screen because it's single core and hasn't got the place to run their AI, Wii has nothing wrong with the ammounts of polycounts it could output, so if that was your only focus you could output that kind of geometry, even if with toned down shaders and taking off self shadowing and stuff (and converting the textures into SD of course); now... I'm not saying Assasins Creed would run as is, I'm just saying it doesn't provide that big of a difference between what wasn't possible last gen and is right now, that said Wii is more powerful than last gen.

What you're saying the way you're saying is almost "Wii is only capable of that shitty BiA"

My point was, if X360 isn't profitable and Wii is... AC should have been made for it, because that's how market works even if Wii couldn't handle the actual AC as is.

Still AC started development even before the Wii boom, so it's perfectly understandable, just like FFXIII is; thing is, they ought to make better games for Wii, not brag about how crap they are.
But as I said already, I do agree that they need to push the Wii the same way they are pushing the Xbox with Assassins Creed. Red Steel 2 is a perfect example of what they should do - throw in proper online, improved controls and better sword fights, and you will have an awesome Wii game. While it would certainly work on the Xbox360, the sword fights won''t be as good, the controls won't be as good, and the difference in online and graphics shouldn't be big enough to make a real difference.

Also, don't take my sword fight references the wrong way - Red Steel and Assassins Creed have very different sword fighting mechanics.

*Grammars!Well... I think Wii's controller is as suited for a regular gameplay as every other game (Nintendo proved it with Zelda TP, Capcom proved this with RE4, Ubisoft proved it with PoP:Rival Swords, etc) Wii is able to do way more than that when the game is made from ground though.

We only need effort; because Assasins Creed clearly has effort.

[Pit-Jr]

So what should Ubisoft be putting on the Wii then?

[pedrocasilva]

So what should Ubisoft be putting on the Wii then?What if they developed a new Prince of Persia even using the same engine (Jade Engine, same as Beyond Good and Evil and Raving Rabbids) instead of throwing in the GC build of Two Thrones, renaming it "Rival Swords" and remapped the control scheme into the Wiimote?

They could also do a new engine or rework it all they wanted until it wasn't a engine with fallbacks for the PS2.

Hell, what if they did put the PoP1, 2 and 3 GC builds and did a budget bundle with a remapped control scheme?

Either would be best than what they did, because what they did equals to Zero effort.

The answer for your question... They should be making good games, just like they're doing for the X360, and they should treat us with respect since we are their customers just like everyone else.

[Noodleman]

If a load of idiots buying a shit game means Assasins Creed gets a bigger budget then i'm all for it.

[Dilli Gee]

Assassin's Creed is probably Ubisoft's most expensive game, ever. Wii definitely is helping to fund it, but ironically, Wii won't be getting the game.

I'm split on this. I do believe Ubisoft should invest in more original non-casual games for the Wii, but if releasing shit on Wii results in better games on my Xbox 360, I'm not fussed.

[Shino]

If a load of idiots buying a shit game means Assasins Creed gets a bigger budget then i'm all for it.

Exactly, many forget that we're still gamers, not a Nintendo employee, and its the games that matter. If they keep pushing crap to the Wii and Assassin's Creed to other platforms, it's our duty (or just common sense) to buy the ones we like indifferently from which producer made it.

So, fanboyism aside, I'll always support Ubisoft's (or any other dev) good games.

[pedrocasilva]

Exactly, many forget that we're still gamers, not a Nintendo employee, and its the games that matter. If they keep pushing crap to the Wii and Assassin's Creed to other platforms, it's our duty (or just common sense) to buy the ones we like indifferently from which producer made it.

So, fanboyism aside, I'll always support Ubisoft's (or any other dev) good games.I believe I've never said I wouldn't buy Assasins Creed or a title with comparable quality coming my way, mind you.

What we're saying is Ubisoft has no right to shovel shit our way and bragging about it; it's not worth to be defended with things like "if xxxxx I'm all for it"; there's no justification for that, they'd still make the game, and they could surely use even a few percentage of that income to fund a good Wii game, they aren't, hence why they're screwing us over.

I'm not buying a X360 anytime soon too, so of course there's no way I want to be royally fucked in order to pay for apparently unprofitable endeavors; that's common sense.

And even if I was to buy a X360, like you said a good game is always worth buying so I'd be sure to pick those on the Wii, thing is I can't because Ubisoft is only dissing shit this way.

[Shino]

What were you expecting? Honestly, Nintendo's Blue Ocean was destined to screw us, and this is the result.

They lead by example in their own console. This is the only console where they have an excuse to do shitty games and casual gamers (theoretically Wii gamers, what has the world become, being a Nintendo fan used to be the ultimate level of nerdiness in videogames) don't care or can't distinguish between a good game or a "casual" (crappy) game, so this console will always get this treatment.

I'm still waiting for small devs to come up with those promised innovative ideas that'll fill the open spaces in this cornucopia of mediocrity.

But as you said, just don't buy their games.

P.S.: I ranted a bit.

[pedrocasilva]

What were you expecting? Honestly, Nintendo's Blue Ocean was destined to screw us, and this is the result.

They lead by example in their own console. This is the only console where they have an excuse to do shitty games and casual gamers (theoretically Wii gamers, what has the world become, being a Nintendo fan used to be the ultimate level of nerdiness in videogames) don't care or can't distinguish between a good game or a "casual" (crappy) game, so this console will always get this treatment.

I'm still waiting for small devs to come up with those promised innovative ideas that'll fill the open spaces in this cornucopia of mediocrity.

But as you said, just don't buy their games.

P.S.: I ranted a bit.It's Ubi that's screwing us, not Nintendo, I'm getting/got Zelda, Super Paper Mario, Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3 Super Smash Bros Brawl (well americans will anyway) on the first year, is this is blue ocean I'm in paradise.

Wii has a broad market with that said it has lots of white spots for third party's to fill, Wii Sports is a demo, making a stand alone realistic tennis game for example is a no brainer; why did developers take so much time?

MP3 is a FPA, taking those ideas and making a FPS is also a no brainer... and we could go on, Nintendo is relying on third parties for a lot of genres, they have their space and a profitable console, releasing shit in order to fund other stuff is taking a piss, I'm not saying invest 100% of the profits in a game, but at least invest something in doing something that justifies the price and keeps the userbase happy.

[The Lillster]

Shino, I thought Nintendo's strategy was about expanding the industry, if there're just going after one audiance (non-gamers), then there're not really expanding it.

In the traditional sense, we're still getting Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc... The only thing different with the Wii is that it appeals to a lot more gamers then Gamecube ever did and because of this we're getting a lot of games that we arn't interested in.

[Shino]

You guys are both right, but its a bit naive to think that the Wii is selling because of the games we like, if that was true the GameCube would have been a success too, the pattern devs see here is that average games sell incredibly well! Why make more expensive ones if its gamers aren't as demanding as 360 or Ps3 gamers.

[pedrocasilva]

You guys are both right, but its a bit naive to think that the Wii is selling because of the games we like, if that was true the GameCube would have been a success too, the pattern devs see here is that average games sell incredibly well! Why make more expensive ones if its gamers aren't as demanding as 360 or Ps3 gamers.That's somewhat true, Wii isn't only selling to the Nintendo core demographic, but that's a good thing; Wii demographic for instance doesn't buy Sports or FPS, not as a main choice, meaning the best it sells the bigger demographic.

That means there's lots of outsiders, not necessarily people that will eat up Nintendo games, but may eat up the third party ones Nintendo doesn't provide.

I wouldn't say it's selling to non-gamers though, I've bought games that can be considered casual just for the heck of it, as most of us have, so it's not a clear division... Also, It's really hard for a non-gamer to justify a 250 euro machine that does just that, no DVD playback... nothing; it's still expensive.

With this said... it's really a familiar friendly console so it's entering a load of households through that, but even if Wii is used by more people in the house than a regular console... there's every chance that there is a gamer in there who will buy a good game he wants for it... It just needs the good games of course.

The bigger the userbase the more publics they'll reach, so this is not only a console for casuals, it's for everyone.

Of course we are demanding though, we always did and that's what we're doing... Of course BiA Wii won't sell as much as a X360 FPS, because it clearly has 1/10th of the effort, thing is... on a Nintendo platform it's not because it's shitty it's supposedly because there is no public, that's bull, IMO.

Also, In my book PoP:RS, Farcry and others sold pretty bad, and we all know why of course.

[Zechs Merquise]

I believe I've never said I wouldn't buy Assasins Creed or a title with comparable quality coming my way, mind you.

What we're saying is Ubisoft has no right to shovel shit our way and bragging about it; it's not worth to be defended with things like "if xxxxx I'm all for it"; there's no justification for that, they'd still make the game, and they could surely use even a few percentage of that income to fund a good Wii game, they aren't, hence why they're screwing us over.

I'm not buying a X360 anytime soon too, so of course there's no way I want to be royally fucked in order to pay for apparently unprofitable endeavors; that's common sense.

And even if I was to buy a X360, like you said a good game is always worth buying so I'd be sure to pick those on the Wii, thing is I can't because Ubisoft is only dissing shit this way.

I think the point is no one would care if some of the Wii profits went to 360 games, but when it all does and none of the profit goes to making decent Wii games it makes you sick.

Ulitmately Ubisoft are saying that they intend to put the good stuff on 360 and shaft Wii owners whilst using them as a cash cow. If even half of the massive profit they made on Wii games went to making a truly decent Wii specific game that'd be great.

But no, and that stupid f*ck from Ubisoft boasting about it makes it worse. He is a total tosser.

[Shyguy]

And this kind of attitude from them is exacly why they are being bought out.

why make games for Wii as cash in's when you're gonna waste it on developing 360 and PS3 flops?

not good sence at all

[Zechs Merquise]

And this kind of attitude from them is exacly why they are being bought out.

why make games for Wii as cash in's when you're gonna waste it on developing 360 and PS3 flops?

not good sence at all

:bowdown: Exactly, I couldn't have said it better myself. From a business perspective Ubisoft have it coming, any company that shits on their profit making user base whilst pouring endless resources into profitless market places dies.

They deserve what we all know is coming to them. If they had any business sense they would be downscaling production of mega budget games that don't recoup costs and be spending more on strengthening an improving the games on the Wii which are selling.

Just imagine if FarCry Wii had been THE definitive version. XBOX+ graphics, smooth Wii controls with a few great and fun gestures in there like throwing grenades and hacking with a knife, I'm sure gamers would have lapped it up.

Just look at Resident Evil 4 Wii, it's the definitive version, CAPCOM nailed the controls, and look where it is? It went to number one of the NPD all formats sales charts and is still at number 13 in the all formats and number 4 in the Wii sales charts. It has far exceeded it's expected sales and it's sent out a message.

There is a big place on the Wii for quality real games, and if Ubisoft don't recognise this then they're going to end up being taken over, and my comment on that - good riddence!

[dazzybee]

I dont see what the problem is. The Wii so far has been a console built around mini games and non realstic types of games. If they done something like GRAW or Rainbow Six on the Wii I doubt it would sell very well, at least compared to say 360 versions.

Games like that require great visuals and the inclusion of online is a must. The Wii hasnt been able to get the online aspect right yet and the visuals from a 3rd party stand point are usually not up to scratch. Also you have to look at the kind of people who are buying Wii machines, its no longer just gamers its mothers/fathers etc. They have to make a game which will appeal to them.

As its already been stated Nintendo is kind of playing this kind of game aswell by pushing their other style of gaming rather than the traditional kind. If the company who makes the product does this then why shouldnt the 3rd parties?

I suppose I can kind of look the other way as I own a 360 aswell so I can see why so many are peed off about it but again its to be expected.

I'm sorry but this is bullshit! Red Steel is one of the most popuar 3rd party games and Zelda, surely is the most popular 1st party (and dont even TRY to say its Wii Play!!). Thats the kind of narrowminded viewpoint Ubisoft has! I thought of all people, someone with the name hero-of-time wouldn't think something like that. Its ridiculous!

This may have already been said as I replied as soon as I read this post; but if it IS made for minigames why, in the first year will we see such games Zelda, mario, Metroid, Smash Bros, Resident Evil, Scarface, Godfather, manhunt 2, Call of Duty 3 etc etc.

And as if FPS NEED online, what a sack of shit! And the Wii can't do great visuals?

[Hero-of-Time]

Wow, someone is upset :)

[Ren of Heavens]

I don't see the point boycotting them in general. If they produce a triple-A Wii title, I'm going to buy it. If they keep on making below-85% mediocre games such as Red Steel, PoP:Rival Swords and Raving Rabbits, I'm not. Simple as that.

It's not only Ubisoft that does this. The only really good 3rd party game so far is RE4 and that's a remade GC game...

[Noku]

Dudes, I'm seriously...

Boycotting them won't do anyone any good. Moreso, it seems to me like some of you would be betraying their own beliefs (ie, "buy good games, grant every single developer the same level of confidence until you've laid hands on their product").
Ubisoft has done good things on Wii, and even one triple-A title as far as I'm concerned (Rayman Raving Rabbids).

Problem is that the hype for their exclusives and wiimakes was beyond proportion. People were so thrilled to see key developers jumping on the support wagon so early , that they ignored the possibility that some of those titles might suck ass. Hard. Disappointment followed.

Now, with this press release, I can imagine that some avid Nintendophiles feel let down yet again. However, if one is critical of mind, they should realise that this is commonplace, and has been since the start of a competitive gaming market. It just not happens so often that a developer so openly smacks a console and their following in the face.

If you think of it, conversely, this has been, and can be, a good thing. As long as the Wii is gaining terrain on their competitors, and doesn't see profitable games released that are being released on other systems, the income from those titles will benefit the Wii. Sooner or later, even Ubisoft is bound to realize that the quality standards of the Wii-demographic aren't per se lower than those of the owners of "hardcore consoles." If RE4:WE is indeed selling as well as Zechs is claiming, then I don't see why other developers shouldn't follow that prime example of quality.
And as the Wii more and more reaches the PS2 phenomenon in terms of popularity and sales, everyone will be anxious to develop for this console, as they were with the Sony's last succesful one.

We mustn't forget that the Wii is still a newborn baby when compared to the 360 - and that the PS3 hasn't even reached foetal stage thanks to "our console's" succes.

[D-Day]

Aaaah Noku. Very well said, and so very true indeed.
But the only gripe I have with what your saying is with Ubisofts current stance. Yes, I do believe that boycotting them would be ridiculous, as good games should be supported regardless, but Ubisoft isn't using the Wii as fairly as they should. It is unbalanced to say the least in terms of the 'quality titles' and 'quick buck titles'.
They have to make money, that is obvious, but in terms of something of the more serious nature in terms of quality... we only have the two games and they were realeased at launch (Red Steel and Rayman Raving Rabbids, some of you may disagree, but they are both sound titles, especially for launch titles). They level out things a little more and give us some 360-esque titles (of the more 'serious' nature I mean).
Otherwise though, I do agree with you, the Wii is new and is still finding its feet as a new-born baby (despite the amazing quick sales and success), and with that in mind, things should turn in our favour.

[Noku]

Thanks dude :)

I agree with what you're saying too. If anything, something should be done (by Nintendo, perhaps) to assure the non-casual market of, at the very least, the same plethora of "serious" titles that the other next-gen consoles are getting. Making some M-rated games exclusives never hurts either (good example with Rockstar there: Wii only next-gen console getting Manhunt 2).

I want Assassin's Creed damn it :p

[D-Day]

Yeah I know, the nice blend of titles for the non-casual market mixed with those that are for the casual market will see Nintendo's goal of reaching out to a broader market become true, rather than going after just one market as some believe is the case at the moment (but hey, for all the games released on the Wii, it's not really Nintendo's fault).
Nintendo could have an influence though, because we do need a number of titles of the more 'serious' nature that makes it comparable (in number) to the other next-gen consoles (for that real 'broader market' appeal). The Man-Hunt example is a good example, hopefully the sales for it will prove it. You got some good insight there ;).

And hey, with Ubisoft behind Assassin's Creed, you never know (sorry, I couldn't resist that one) ;).

BTW, by no means am I complaining about the present state of the Wii, just my opinions on it to keep it's success going and for Nintendo to truly reach the goal they set out for (just incase I'm misinterpreted).

[dazzybee]

:) I'm not upset really, but I can't believe what you posted! Compare the games 360 in its first year and I bet it didn't lok as rosy as the Wii'd catalogue now! I've followed Nintendo since the beginning, and I think the software library looks very healthy and varied. It seems to me that people think that the casual games mean they're replacing the "hardcore" (god I hate that phrase); when i think we're getting both! I mean, does hardcore really mean amazing graphics and online play? No it doesn't! For me Zack and Wicki 'looks' more hardcore than say Gears of War - when it comes to VIDEOGAMES it shouldnt be about how it looks, or how emmersive the story is (though they certainly help) its how they PLAY! Zacki and Wicki seems to be doing more in ternms of play than they extremely derivative Gears of War!

I mean its like saying Transformers (or replace with other hollywood bullshit) is better than Fight Club because its had more money spent on it, it looks amazing and has a really believable alternative world!

[Dannyboy-the-Dane]

I think the problem is that (some) people still don't realize the potential of the Wii. If one company sat down and said: "OK, guys, we are going to make a great FPS for the Wii. Nice graphics (because it is possible to get pretty graphics - look at Brawl and Galaxy), great single player storyline, fun multiplayer, well-used Wii controls etc.", I believe it would be a big seller. Red Steel had all the elements, they were just executed poorly. Don't get me wrong, I liked that game very much, but it could have been so much better.

Now, I'm not trying to be a Solitanze, but if developers realized the potential of the Wii, Sony and Microsoft wouldn't be able to see anything but Nintendo's heels. Wii still has the reputation of being the weak console, but I think we've seen enough evidence that it is more than capable at producing nice graphics (again, Brawl and Galaxy), deep storylines (Metroid, possibly the other two as well), great Wii controls (Metroid again) and fun multiplayer (Red Steel had fun multiplayer, Brawl are most likely going to, and a lot of the mini-game-games are fun).

Nintendo said they would be making games for all audiences - both softcore and hardcore (sorry, dazzybee). I just think the balance is very uneven at the moment.

[Hero-of-Time]

:) I'm not upset really, but I can't believe what you posted! Compare the games 360 in its first year and I bet it didn't lok as rosy as the Wii'd catalogue now! I've followed Nintendo since the beginning, and I think the software library looks very healthy and varied. It seems to me that people think that the casual games mean they're replacing the "hardcore" (god I hate that phrase); when i think we're getting both! I mean, does hardcore really mean amazing graphics and online play? No it doesn't! For me Zack and Wicki 'looks' more hardcore than say Gears of War - when it comes to VIDEOGAMES it shouldnt be about how it looks, or how emmersive the story is (though they certainly help) its how they PLAY! Zacki and Wicki seems to be doing more in ternms of play than they extremely derivative Gears of War!

I mean its like saying Transformers (or replace with other hollywood bullshit) is better than Fight Club because its had more money spent on it, it looks amazing and has a really believable alternative world!

Transformers is better than Fight Club! ( im a huge Transformers fan :) )

Yeah I see what you mean, again though its all down to personal taste and what you class as fun.

I dont class a game like Brain Academy fun because to me it just isnt. I would rather play something that plays like a normal Videogame. I just havent been able to get into all of this "training" style of gameplay and I doubt I ever will.

[Dilli Gee]

why make games for Wii as cash in's when you're gonna waste it on developing 360 and PS3 flops?
AC will be November's biggest selling title (aside from EA Sports stuff).

[Teppo Holmqvist]

AC will be November's biggest selling title (aside from EA Sports stuff).

Hardly. Halo 3 and Super Mario Galaxy* guarantee that it won't be.

* After all, New Super Mario Bros has sold over 10 million units worldwide, and Mario is, once again, one of the hottest videogame properties in the world. In fact, it is bigger than Halo.

[mcj metroid]

AC will be November's biggest selling title (aside from EA Sports stuff).

Not many people own a ps3 or Have even heard of it.

Casuals I mean and casuals=most sales.


Halo 3 will sell the most i believe. I think metroid prime 3 will be the best selling metroid for sure. mario galaxy Will be second to halo 3 in sales.


Not sure.

[Cube]

Hardly. Halo 3 and Super Mario Galaxy* guarantee that it won't be.

* After all, New Super Mario Bros has sold over 10 million units worldwide, and Mario is, once again, one of the hottest videogame properties in the world. In fact, it is bigger than Halo.

Not to mention that New Super Mario Bros. is still often in the top 10 charts (or sometimes not far from it) in both the UK and Japan.

[dazzybee]

Transformers is better than Fight Club! ( im a huge Transformers fan :)

That says it all ;)

I dont class a game like Brain Academy fun because to me it just isnt. I would rather play something that plays like a normal Videogame. I just havent been able to get into all of this "training" style of gameplay and I doubt I ever will.

Fair enough, but my main greavance is people saying Wii isnt the right console for hardcore games, which I think is ridiculous. Wii is home to both, surly thats the best thing - we get the casual games to sell lots of Wiis meaning more companies will make games for it, AND we get some really great "hardcore" games. Ubisoft are wankers but Konami, Capcom, obviously Nintendo, Take 2/Rockstar, EA, Sega etc etc they're still making quality, innovative games for the Wii!!!

We DONT (or at least shouldnt) need a 360 as well, though great if you can afford both. Wii should and will provide everything!........Except halo............

And GTA4, MGS 4, GT and a few other over rated franchises :)

[Pit-Jr]

We DONT (or at least shouldnt) need a 360 as well, though great if you can afford both. Wii should and will provide everything!........Except halo............



I would agree with you if the Wii provided the obligatory leap in graphics, necessary storage space, and online simplicity that should have been standard this generation.

Wii is a unique and worthy console but its certainly not the total package

[The-chosen-one]

im never going to buy anything from Microsoft again the xbox360 is total crap i bought a new game 5 days ago ( Blue dragon ) and now my 360 has the crappy 3 lights of death problem im going to Sue the company

i never had any problems with my wii

its a shame that all the best games are for 360 if they where for the ps3 with online mode also i would have bought a ps3 , but the only things i hear when a game is anounced for both consoles you hear ( EXCLUSIVE FOR 360 ONLINE MULTIPLAYER not for ps3 ) :S the next generation i leave the next console from microsoft in the stores

[Meta_Omega]

MGS 4 Somebody is in need of a paddlin'.

Oh, and to contribute to the discussion: I agree with those who say that Ubisoft isn't acting in a good manner.

[Demuwan]

im never going to buy anything from Microsoft again the xbox360 is total crap i bought a new game 5 days ago ( Blue dragon ) and now my 360 has the crappy 3 lights of death problem im going to Sue the company

i never had any problems with my wii

its a shame that all the best games are for 360 if they where for the ps3 with online mode also i would have bought a ps3 , but the only things i hear when a game is anounced for both consoles you hear ( EXCLUSIVE FOR 360 ONLINE MULTIPLAYER not for ps3 ) :S the next generation i leave the next console from microsoft in the stores

I wasn't sure how big this problem was. Makes me more hesitant about going Wii60

[Dante]

Ubi's casual games fund 360 and PS3 development

Buying into Ubisoft's casual range of games is going to fund its hardcore efforts.

The development and subsequent sales success of casual games on Nintendo's Wii and DS is an "extremely profitable" business for Ubisoft, according to the company's CEO Yves Guillemot, who told Reuters at the Games Convention in Leipzig last week that these games help to finance the costly development of games for Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3.

Guillemot explained that the development of casual games costs anywhere from 1 million euros to 4 million, depending on how many platforms they're being created for. By comparison, a normal Wii game costs about 5 to 10 million euros, while an Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 one costs from 10 million to 20 million.

Casual games are expected to contribute 20% of Ubisoft's revenue this year, which is up 10% on last year. Meanwhile, the entire games industry is attracting many more customers which are, according to Guillemot, "going to grow the market tremendously. I expect the market to grow by 50 percent in the next four years," he said, concluding, "It's a very exciting time for all the developers and publishers."

aussie-nintendo.com (http://www.aussie-nintendo.com/?v=news&p=16574)

[Demuwan]

Ubi's casual games fund 360 and PS3 development

Buying into Ubisoft's casual range of games is going to fund its hardcore efforts.

The development and subsequent sales success of casual games on Nintendo's Wii and DS is an "extremely profitable" business for Ubisoft, according to the company's CEO Yves Guillemot, who told Reuters at the Games Convention in Leipzig last week that these games help to finance the costly development of games for Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3.

Guillemot explained that the development of casual games costs anywhere from 1 million euros to 4 million, depending on how many platforms they're being created for. By comparison, a normal Wii game costs about 5 to 10 million euros, while an Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 one costs from 10 million to 20 million.

Casual games are expected to contribute 20% of Ubisoft's revenue this year, which is up 10% on last year. Meanwhile, the entire games industry is attracting many more customers which are, according to Guillemot, "going to grow the market tremendously. I expect the market to grow by 50 percent in the next four years," he said, concluding, "It's a very exciting time for all the developers and publishers."

aussie-nintendo.com (http://www.aussie-nintendo.com/?v=news&p=16574)


I wish it was that exciting for us gamers Ubisoft.

You Arseholes:grin:

[Hellfire]

These guys will definitly burn in hell.

[Demuwan]

These guys will definitly burn in hell.

Burn um good mate, burn um good:angry:

[jammy2211]

It's their loss, once some other third parties swoop in and steal this market from Ubisoft they'll be left regretting it.

Ubisoft are enjoying the whole casual thing at the moment, but I'm pretty sure the market is going to become saturated and Ubisofts casual cash-ins will be left in the bargain bins once some other companies come in with casual games which have more quality.

Ubisoft are going for a short term profit strategy, and they're gonna be left regretting it once EA have stolen the casual market from straight under their noses.

[Zechs Merquise]

I wish it was that exciting for us gamers Ubisoft.

You Arseholes:grin:

Lol, too true

These guys will definitly burn in hell.

Indeed, lets hope that wanker who gave the statement chokes on his own smugness!

The sad thing is, I went to TESCO the other day and both Prince of Persia the Rival Thrones and Blazing Skies were sold out, two cheap csh in games SOLD OUT. Plenty of profit for Ubisoft, how very sad indeed.