Zelda Wii: Not anytime soon! [Archive]

Retro_Link

12-07-2007, 07:22 PM

http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/804/804241p1.html

E3 2007: Aonuma and Miyamoto on Next Wii Zelda
Some ideas are being thrown around, but don't expect a sequel anytime soon.

The launch of Twilight Princess with the Wii was a first for Nintendo, which has never delivered a Zelda game so early in the life cycle of a new console. So does that mean fans may not be treated to another Zelda project, this time developed exclusively for Wii? Well, at the very least, it looks like it's going to be awhile, Speaking with IGN Wii, Twilight Princess director Eiji Aonuma and Nintendo producer Shigeru Miyamoto collectively indicated that while some ideas are being tossed around for a new Wii Zelda project, nothing is very far along, or set in stone.

Asked if Twilight Princess would be Wii's last Zelda, Aonuma said, "I can't say, but I guess for now, maybe, yeah [laughs]. Not to say that it's going to be the final game. There's still a lot of potential with the Wii so there's still a possibility that there could be another Zelda for it. We do have some ideas in the works, but I can't say for sure because none of them have been approved and we're still very much in the planning process, so I hope you look forward to whatever comes out."

While Twilight Princess performed under expectations in Japan, the newly released DS title, Phantom Hourglass, is selling very well, and Nintendo is taking notice of gamers' reactions. "The Phantom Hourglass has been released in Japan and reception has been very, very positive," said Aonuma. "We've actually been able to receive feedback from the users and we'll definitely take all of those comments into consideration when creating the next Zelda, whether it be for Wii or DS."

Shigeru Miyamoto elaborated on the likelihood of another Wii Zelda. "It's really hard to say because we've never had a Zelda that's appeared so early in the life cycle of the system, so it's definitely possible that there would be another Zelda on Wii," he said. "Of course, the challenge is that typically a Zelda game is something that takes three years to develop, so we'll just have to wait and see."Hmm... not good news!!

Can't see there being anything shown for a new Zelda until atleast 2009 now!

And that's if there is going to be another Zelda on Wii! They didn't sound all that positive! Launch title for Wii 2?

At the moment it seems like alot of Nintendo's focus has shifted towards there 'new style games', Brain Age, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Music, Mii's etc... etc...

With this shift in focus and the high praise of Zelda on DS, it seems more likely we'll see another Zelda DS before we see anything of Zelda Wii!

Zelda_Rulez

12-07-2007, 07:24 PM

Not looking good then. Then again almost every Nintendo console has had two Zelda games during it's lifetime. Only the SNES didn't. And considering Zelda's popularity they'll probably make another one, it'll be a few more years before we see it though.

welsh_gamer

12-07-2007, 07:27 PM

After Phantom Hourglass' success in Japan I'm sure we'll get one on the Wii. We will just have to wait a while. I'm sure Nintendo won't forget about us 'true' gamers. Maybe they are waiting to see how succesful the Wii Board is, and then they might design a Zelda game with that in mind?

Hellfire

12-07-2007, 07:29 PM

Totally wasn't expecting that :indeed:

KKOB

12-07-2007, 07:31 PM

Surely we WILL see a Wii one, unless nintendo has a new console coming out before 2010

Retro_Link

12-07-2007, 07:33 PM

Totally wasn't expecting that :indeed:You didn't think there might be something of Zelda Wii at E3 2008? Surely that was quite a good possibility until now! The first info on the title and the first basic trailer perhaps!

Considering Twilight Princess was developed for GC and work started on it as far back as around 2002 (the first Twilight Princess trailer was shown at E3 2003), I would have thought they'd have been working on something for Zelda Wii, that we could get to see next E3!

Thought we might be looking at a Christmas 2009 release for Zelda Wii! But if nothings even really been started yet and it takes more than 3 years, then maybe there won't be another on Wii!

LazyBoy

12-07-2007, 07:34 PM

Good. I love Zelda I really do, TP was phonomenal and OoT is still my favourite game ever, but I think i'm ready for a break. TP was 120% Zelda, and I think it should be left as a pleasant end to the series. Now don't get me wrong, I don't want PH to by my last Zelda game, its just I'd like a break. Maybe do what Metroid did. Lay low, reinvent, and then reappear on the next Nintendo home console fresh, new, and stunning.

kav82

12-07-2007, 07:35 PM

I don't want to see one for a few years yet anyhoo! I don't want Zelda to start appearing as often as say Splinter Cell!!!

Japjer

12-07-2007, 08:19 PM

I'd really love a Majora's Mask-like game on Wii. More emphasis on the side-quests and definately a Bomber's Notebook!

Ren of Heavens

12-07-2007, 08:22 PM

Probably another Zelda in the end of the Wii's lifetime. My guess is 2010.

4q2

12-07-2007, 08:30 PM

Fierce_LiNk

12-07-2007, 08:36 PM

Zelda Wii not far along? Excellent news.

Why? Many reasons.

1. The obvious one, means they'll be taking their time to think through things. New ideas, etc.

2. Means Nintendo will be spending more time on other projects.

3. Means we will always have something to look forward to on the horizon. Not showing all your aces at once, I think is the saying.

4. This could basically indicate that the Wii's lifespan is longer than just a few years. If Zelda Wii is a long way off, then Nintendo will obviously not be in a hurry to look forward to the next system. Couple that with the excellent sales figures and growing support.

jammy2211

12-07-2007, 09:11 PM

Sort of disappointed, TP was a let down to me while still being an amazing game. I'm ready for Nintendo trying some different games and franchises, and really look forward to what is ahead of the 'Big 4'. Pikmin 3 is a given, but I can't see stuff like the Kirby Platformer being a big Christmas release so you have to wonder what aces Nintendo have up their sleeve.

This could all be lies anyway, if Nintendo don't want us to know about it they're not going to tell us about it are they?

flameboy

12-07-2007, 09:22 PM

Fierce_LiNk

12-07-2007, 09:25 PM

jammy2211

12-07-2007, 09:38 PM

Just points more and more towards Nintendo leading towards the casual gamer...Not one hardcore announcement at the e3 conference, past the beginning of next year there is going to be very little I want to play on Wii and I can see myself doing exactly what I did with the gamecube and picking up an xbox (360 this time round obviously) just to find something I want to play.

Do you honestly think when Nintendo have 3 absolutely huge hardcore games to release this year (SMG, SSBB and MP3) that they're going to take the entire media focus and hype away from these games with a game set for release in 2008?

Look around, all the Nintendo focus post-E3 is on Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy - the two biggest games Nintendo are next set to release for the Wii. Once they've come then they'll start pushing Smash Bro's into the media spotlight.

I think Mario Kart counts as hardcore surely too? It's shaping up to be about 8+ online and is well, a Mario Kart game.

There was only room in the line up for something like Wii Fit at the moment, once the big 4 have come and gone then Nintendo arn't going to stop annoucing games are they? Then it'll be time for Pikmin 3 and D:DoC and whatever else is relevent.

Teppo Holmqvist

12-07-2007, 09:57 PM

Just points more and more towards Nintendo leading towards the casual gamer...

Surely their US lineup screams casuals...

July 20: Mario Strikers Charged
August 20: Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
October 29: Battalion Wars II
October 29: Eternal Blue
November 5: Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn
November 11: Super Mario Galaxy
December 3: Smash Bros Brawl
January: Mario Kart Wii*

* Not officially announced date, but Reggie said so to Chris Kohler

And not to mention that last homeconsole Zelda was released just seven months ago, and average development time for Zelda title is 4.2 years*. And surely Nintendo bought one of the world's premier JRPG development houses just to turn it into minigamefactory.

* Meaning that TP is probably pouring out from both Miyamoto's and Anouma's ears. Long development cycles can be extremely stressfull.

jammy2211

12-07-2007, 10:02 PM

Surely their US lineup screams casuals...

July 20: Mario Strikers Charged
August 20: Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
October 29: Battalion Wars II
October 29: Eternal Blue
November 5: Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn
November 11: Super Mario Galaxy
December 3: Smash Bros Brawl
January: Mario Kart Wii*

* Not officially announced date, but Reggie said so to Chris Kohler

And not to mention that last homeconsole Zelda was released just seven months ago, and average development time for Zelda title is 4.2 years. And surely Nintendo bought one of the world's premier JRPG development houses just to turn it into minigamefactory.
Yaaar but Wii Fiit is fur knew gamorzzzzzzzzzzz inniitzz?

Saminthehat

12-07-2007, 10:15 PM

I miss cel-shading. Hope they go back to it for at least one of the Zeldas on Wii/Wii 2.

gaggle64

12-07-2007, 10:59 PM

In a broom cupboard somewhere iat Nintendo HQ:
"Hey, I just had a totally crazy idea for Wii Zelda!"
"That's nice Reggie, but could hurry up? I have to pick my kid from soccer practice!"

nintendo_guy

13-07-2007, 01:53 AM

OH. MY. GOD.

Now I'm officially depressed.

Calibur

13-07-2007, 02:05 AM

not a shocker to me, like alot of you said i can deal with waiting awhile for another zelda game, Phantom Hourglass will tide me over, and TP will never get old for me.

killer kirby

13-07-2007, 07:42 AM

YES good news indeed nintendo should take their time on this game and make it completely new to what we have expected so far. People that are complaining.....if you don't like it then make you're own zelda game :P

Cube

13-07-2007, 08:26 AM

So, basically, they are working on Zelda Wii, and therefore it's in the same stage as Pikmin Wii. Yet the Pikmin Wii is good news, and this is bad news. Huh???

Petey Piranah

13-07-2007, 08:29 AM

One simple question. For those that were disappointed with Twilight Princess, do you want another Zelda game that'll make you all edgy, sad and increase your blood pressure and have implications on your personal wellbeing/health as a result of not meeting your personal expectations?

If you answered no to this question, than just relax, let Nintendo take 3+ years to develop the game, the longer they work on it, the greater liklihood, we'll get a game that surpasses Twilight Princess.

Or alternatively, if they do succumb to demand and release a not so good Zelda game and it has adverse effects on your health, go out and buy Wii Fit, do some yoga/meditation and let out your frustration.

In fact you could do that right when it releases.

"I WANT MY ZELDA DAMMIT" Some would be thinking along these lines, do the yoga/meditation or whatever other activities/exercises you like on Wii fit and chill out...

Hellfire

13-07-2007, 12:39 PM

You didn't think there might be something of Zelda Wii at E3 2008?
W had a Zelda launched 6 months ago, of course we wouldn't see Zelda!

Retro_Link

13-07-2007, 12:55 PM

Showing a Zelda at E3 '08 doesn't mean it has to come out anytime soon! Could come out 2 years later, which I thought might be the case! But seems they're not even thinking about Zelda right now.

Twilight Princess launched close to a year ago now in Japan, and seeing as that game was probably ready to launch around a year earlier, had they not waited ages to re-configure it and launch it for the Wii, there could have been an indication of Zelda Wii at next years E3!

But anyways, the Mario's, Zelda's, Metroids etc... are what I buy Nintendo's consoles for, so maybe I'm just a bit more dissapointed by this news (that it's not even really in any planning stages yet!) than others!

Saying that though, I'd much rather they took their time and produced something truely outstanding with each installment! It's just a bit depressing to actually hear, that's all!

Cube

13-07-2007, 01:20 PM

that it's not even really in any planning stages yet!

The first post suggests that it IS in planning stages...

Retro_Link

13-07-2007, 01:37 PM

The first post suggests that it IS in planning stages...Well ok yeah...

We do have some ideas in the works, but I can't say for sure because none of them have been approved and we're still very much in the planning process,But that's it really, in other words they are right at the start of anything.

Tellyn

13-07-2007, 02:23 PM

Retro_Link

13-07-2007, 03:14 PM

Anyone remember that comment from Aonuma in 2005 when asked of Zelda Wii (before anyone knew of Twilight Princess's Wii version)?

"We are really far into development" was included. Twilight Princess was intended for GC, therefore not Zelda Wii. I know he's worked on a lot of recent Zelda games but to be honest, he thinks he's God, for instance, contradicting Shigsy's version of the Zelda timeline, who MADE the franchise.Yeah I made this thread in December when news was coming through that Zelda Wii had been in development for over a year!

http://www.n-europe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11095&highlight=zelda

Ah well!!

Tellyn

13-07-2007, 04:01 PM

Yeah I made this thread in December when news was coming through that Zelda Wii had been in development for over a year!

http://www.n-europe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11095&highlight=zelda

Ah well!!

There's that aswell, but go back one year. Aonuma said that Zelda Wii was well into development before we even knew about Twilight Princess.

Jimbob

13-07-2007, 04:32 PM

I don't mind if we don't see another Zelda game for at least 3-4 years. I know that sounds a long time, but that is roughly how long Twilight Princess was in development for.

Looking at the line-up of games for the Wii coming out this year, we won't be getting bored for a long time.

Owen

13-07-2007, 04:37 PM

I was expecting this, there won't be one till 2009-2010.

I didn't like the fact they stated Twilight Princess could be the last Zelda, i mean why get rid of your best franchise?

Tellyn

13-07-2007, 04:41 PM

I think I know now what they mean by 'last Zelda of its kind'.

Last home console Zelda.

McMad

13-07-2007, 04:50 PM

I think I know now what they mean by 'last Zelda of its kind'.

Last home console Zelda.

What, that makes no sense at all. Zelda was one of the driving forces at the Wii launch, Nintendo knows the franchise means a lot to its Hardcore base, I don't think they're gonna start making it exclusively for handhelds anytime soon.

And the console Zelda games are better than the handhelds by far.

DCK

13-07-2007, 05:58 PM

Zelda @ next year's E3 confirmed.

Emasher

13-07-2007, 06:16 PM

this could be just to get rid of the speculation, and then at E for All...BAM

Tellyn

13-07-2007, 06:42 PM

What, that makes no sense at all. Zelda was one of the driving forces at the Wii launch, Nintendo knows the franchise means a lot to its Hardcore base, I don't think they're gonna start making it exclusively for handhelds anytime soon.

And the console Zelda games are better than the handhelds by far.

It sold poorly in Japan, they won't consider another one on the Wii if the spoilt Japanese carry on moaning. Not when they can sell millions of Brain Training.

McMad

13-07-2007, 07:32 PM

It sold poorly in Japan, they won't consider another one on the Wii if the spoilt Japanese carry on moaning. Not when they can sell millions of Brain Training.

That's rediculous to presume just because Japan don't like Zelda as much anymore Nintendo are going to stop making console Zelda games.

Twilight Princess still did sell around 4 million copies, a number which any company would be proud of for an exclusive game.

If Nintendo applied that logic to all their games then Metroid would be long dead.

I'd prefer it actually if Nintendo layed off Zelda for a while, we don't need a new one anytime soon, maybe they could make the next one a launch title for the next Nintendo console and make truely epic. (Finally next gen graphics and orchestrated music lol).

Tellyn

13-07-2007, 07:51 PM

Shigsy himself said he doesn't think people want large epic games anymore, basing this on Japanese sales figures for Twilight Princess.

Hellfire

13-07-2007, 07:53 PM

Shigsy himself said he doesn't think people want large epic games anymore, basing this on Japanese sales figures for Twilight Princess.

It sold well outside of Japan and PH is big and epic too, but I get what you mean.

Tellyn

13-07-2007, 08:01 PM

Yeah I understand what you and McMad are saying about it selling well outside of Japan, and I don't want to be the voice of doom or anything (and I'm not trying to be an idiot or harassing you McMad, it's just my opinion, so calm it down a bit), but Zelda IS a Japan developed game. It would make no sense for them to continue releasing home console Zelda games when the sales dwindle from game to game. I think TP may have been one of the lowest selling Zelda games in Japan. Something's going to happen.

McMad

13-07-2007, 08:10 PM

Shigsy himself said he doesn't think people want large epic games anymore, basing this on Japanese sales figures for Twilight Princess.

Fuck Shigero Miyamoto, just because the casuals who buy Brain Training and Nintendogs out-number the hardcores who would love to buy a new Zelda or Metroid he thinks there's no audience for epic games anymore.

It's foolish to think from one simple quote that Nintendo are going to stop making console Zelda's, one of Nintendo's biggest franchises that has kept them going through the years.

If Nintendo were ready to give up on a huge franchise like Zelda then they probably would be way too scared to risk making new IPs that might not be successful.

Then there's the western audiences that still love epic games too, and the Japanese will always love RPGs, Nintendo need to make epic games or they will slowly start to lose their core audience.

I think instead Nintendo are going to re-imagine Zelda to make it appeal to more consumers in the future, so the hardcore would still be happy and to give the franchise a new lease of life after Twilight Princess proved that the 3D Zelda formula is starting to age.

If Nintendo stopped making Zelda console games they'd probably lose a significant amount (maybe 500 000) of their core userbase.

Tellyn

13-07-2007, 08:27 PM

I don't think you realise how big an influene Shigsy is within Nintendo. If the man said "The next console will make toast" then by god, it will make toast.

I think E3 is the best example to use here. I quite enjoyed the conference, but it was proof that Nintendo are slowly trying to shake off their "hardcore" audience. We predicted Smash Bros, Metroid, a new Zelda, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing Wii, Tingle Goes To Space, and what did we get? WiiFit. That was the hook of the speech. Please prove me wrong but to be honest, I think Nintendo no longer care about making the traditional games that made them famous. Innovation, women and old people are the way forward now, and if franchises that don't perform as well as they used to do, like Zelda, stand in their way, then they will not hesitate to remove them.

Hellfire

13-07-2007, 08:27 PM

Fuck Shigero Miyamoto, just because the casuals who buy Brain Training and Nintendogs out-number the hardcores who would love to buy a new Zelda or Metroid he thinks there's no audience for epic games anymore.

Don't make me German Suplex you.

McMad

13-07-2007, 08:40 PM

I think E3 is the best example to use here. I quite enjoyed the conference, but it was proof that Nintendo are slowly trying to shake off their "hardcore" audience.

So they're shaking off their hardcore audience by not making games for a franchise that has sold over 4 million copies in just over half a year?

Wii: Twilight Princess: 3.41 (million)
Gamecube: Twilight Princess: 1.17

Evidence (http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=zelda&console=&publisher=&sort=Total)

Tellyn what you're suggesting is rediculous, it would be like Square Enix cancelling the next Dragon Quest game, Miyamoto has little involvement with Zelda nowadays, the series belongs to Aonuma instead so I'd believe his word more over Shiggy's:

"I can't say, but I guess for now, maybe, yeah [laughs]. Not to say that it's going to be the final game. There's still a lot of potential with the Wii so there's still a possibility that there could be another Zelda for it. We do have some ideas in the works, but I can't say for sure because none of them have been approved and we're still very much in the planning process, so I hope you look forward to whatever comes out."

There's one coming, it's just not coming for aaages.

jammy2211

13-07-2007, 09:25 PM

I don't think you realise how big an influene Shigsy is within Nintendo. If the man said "The next console will make toast" then by god, it will make toast.

So what? This is the guy who is also making Super Mario Galaxy. Don't see anyone complaining about that..

I think E3 is the best example to use here. I quite enjoyed the conference, but it was proof that Nintendo are slowly trying to shake off their "hardcore" audience.

E3 is the only event in the entire gaming calender where Nintendo are given the opportunity to make a presentation to the mainstream media. The mainstream media don't have a clue what Metal Gear Solid, Metroid Prime and Halo 3 are. Something like Wii Fit is simply going to steal the show for them, and that's why Nintendo used E3.

We predicted Smash Bros, Metroid, a new Zelda, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing Wii, Tingle Goes To Space, and what did we get? WiiFit. That was the hook of the speech. Please prove me wrong but to be honest, I think Nintendo no longer care about making the traditional games that made them famous.

I'm sorry but look at the line up. In a 6 month period we're getting:

Super Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime 3
Battalion Wars 2
Fire Emblem: Godess of Dawn
Mario Kart Wii
Super Smash Bros Brawl

Nintendo chose to show off one game we already pretty much knew about, and that means they've stopped making the traditional games that fill pretty much 90% of their upcoming line up?

Innovation, women and old people are the way forward now, and if franchises that don't perform as well as they used to do, like Zelda, stand in their way, then they will not hesitate to remove them.

Zelda: Phantom Hourglass has been the fastest selling Zelda yet, and Twilight Princess has still sold better then any Xbox 360 game to date. Nintendo are getting new markets, sure, but are they forgotting about their old core userbase? Hell no.

DCK

14-07-2007, 10:58 AM

Nintendo is not going to stop making Wii Zeldas - Twilight Princess is selling 3:1 for every Wii out there, and that number is getting pretty huge. Thing is, they're not making a Zelda now - seems to me they want to make a Wii Zelda a Wii Zelda; that is an experience that differs from the last games and is only possible on Wii, much like what Phantom Hourglass is for the DS.

I think we can expect this Zelda in 2010. It'll probably be cel-shaded.

Petey Piranah

14-07-2007, 12:05 PM

Shigsy quote about possible future Zelda games such as Link being in the contemporary world was quite interesting.

Link in the contemporary world, heres a suggestion from yours truly. Project Hammer appeared to have very similar mechanics to Zelda, I could see the next Zelda being based in the future in United States just like Disaster and Hammer where right from the start Ganondorf appears, unleashes havoc and he using power in order to take over Hyrule, he takes the easy road and ELIMINATES Link by transporting him to another world, in this case the future in the contemporary real life world. But Link needs to escape from the modern world in order to fight Ganondorf and restore peace in his REAL WORLD being Hyrule. He gets caught up amongst crimes taking place in the city like bank robberies and getting in the way of these guys results in guns being fired at you, and because its the contemporary world, one to two gunshots can kill Link. As you're name spreads in the city and you help people, you make contacts and through these contacts, you are ultimately introduced to an acclaimed scientist/inventor that is working on a concept time machine that is able to transport Link back to his REAL WORLD, but you're life is at increased danger as you're reputation increases as crime syndicates (shown through cut scenes) are feeling the pressure of killing you to prevent from their plans being foiled by the great hero. Not only this, but throughout the game, the time machine needs adjustments and at times, malfunctions occur and it transports Link to various time periods. Prehistoric times, having to fight HUGE dinosaurs, cavemen, medieval times, having to fight with armys on horseback and even in the year 3000 with star wars like cyborgs, super clones and super bacteria particles that can form lifelike size foes. Imagine using your sword and weaponry to fight city crime and having specific special items according to the time period you are in... In prehistoric times, you'd have specially carved spears and wooden clubs, in medieval times, specific uniform to indicate the army in which you are fighting for with specially shaped swords and shields with full KNIGHT ARMOUR and in the future having ultra high tech weaponry such as disintegration beams. Now that would be a radical change in the series and would tailor to people that want freshness and increased difficulty while retaining the fundamentals that makes the series the legendary series that it is...

DCK

14-07-2007, 12:24 PM

So how is that a Zelda game exactly? Replace Link with any other character and it's your standard 360 game...

Petey Piranah

14-07-2007, 12:31 PM

So how is that a Zelda game exactly? Replace Link with any other character and it's your standard 360 game...

It'll still retain the third person perspective, z targeting, and the same combat system as previous 3D Zelda games. Essentially everything that makes a Zelda game what it is. The only difference is that Link is put into radically different environments where he needs to do with the offensive/defensive items that are at his disposal in that particular environment. As you progress throughout the game, you will constantly have cutscenes showing the state of Hyrule and Ganondorf constantly terrorising the town and conquering section by section until he controls everything. You feel Ganondorf being a serious foe this time round, it makes you want to defeat him, unlike Twilight Princess where he virtually did not exist until the end. He'd be a lot more violent and brutal this time round, actually claiming a few lives in the game and Link can't do a thing about it, as he is stuck in another time period... Get the pun here, Ganondorf has cut the "Link" between successful takeover of Hyrule for his domination purposes and failure as a result of Link defeating the king of evil by eliminating him via banishment to another time in another place in another world...

As a result of Ganondorf successfully conquering the whole of Hyrule, he develops a power that is SO HUGE, he is virtually invulnerable, he cannot be harmed in anyway, which is where the Links from the various time periods come into play, as you have gained a reputation amongst many people in different time periods, you form a super group that develops an ultra powerful weapon courtesy of elements from each time period where the year 3000 section provides the final touch in creating a weapon capable of harming Ganondorf, you use it in the final battle.

DCK

14-07-2007, 12:39 PM

It'll still retain the third person perspective, z targeting, and the same combat system as previous 3D Zelda games. Essentially everything that makes a Zelda game what it is.I strongly disagree; a Zelda game goes far beyond the gameplay mechanics the developers choose. A Zelda game is about the atmosphere of the fantasy world it's placed in. I really don't see the merit in a time travel game in which Link just happens to be the main character, it's a different game entirely.

Petey Piranah

14-07-2007, 01:00 PM

I strongly disagree; a Zelda game goes far beyond the gameplay mechanics the developers choose. A Zelda game is about the atmosphere of the fantasy world it's placed in. I really don't see the merit in a time travel game in which Link just happens to be the main character, it's a different game entirely.

Exactly, it would give the game an element of freshness not present in Twilight Princess. You see, Link resides in the traditional atmospheric fantasy world we've come to expect in Zelda games, but Ganondorf resurrects and inflicts evil upon the entire town, Link tries to stop him but Ganondorf banishes him to another time to dispose of Link in a convenient fashion and in his mind ensure that he does not return to challenge him. Link is placed into the sterile contemporary world where he needs to escape to restore peace to his beloved homeland. Throughout the game he'd travel to many atmospheric places that don't reflect reality as much as the city portion of the game. The year 3000 for example would be the developers idea of what the world would be like in the year 3000 and thus having a fantasy like setting due to being the work of the imagination. Going through various locales with different conditions to his homeland will create the ultimate test for the ultimate hero, having to fend with the resources that are available in that particular area/time period. This would eliminate any critcisms from players who feel that Twilight Princess was a rehash of recycled ideas with the same style landscapes, enemies etc and that the series is on its last legs.

DCK

14-07-2007, 01:03 PM

Why would you use the Zelda franchise for that? Replace Link with Mario and it makes as much sense.

I don't mind having a different approach like Link's Awakening or Phantom Hourglass, but I would mind having a different game for Zelda. It's like making a medieval Star Wars or having light sabres in Lord of the Rings.

Petey Piranah

14-07-2007, 01:22 PM

Link is the hero of time. Having this sort of setting would be the ultimate way to live up to this title...

There are incredible opportunities in having this setting for the next Zelda game. You could have "dungeons" themed to each area, such as a multiple story building for city area where you need to go level by level travelling through multiple hallways, elevators/stairs and having to fend off henchmen of the notorious gang leader at the top that holds hostage one of the key characters of the game that is the guy you meet that is working on the time machine. In the prehistoric area, it can be a giant cave that is 10 times+ the size of the bonus caves in Twilight Princess and the boss is a giant dinosaur, a Tyranosaurus perhaps in which on it has one of the elements required to form the ultimate weapon, you see the guy you rescue in the city also has thought of the idea for creating the ultimate weapon and gives you a list of the items you need to create this ultimate weapon. The year 3000 could have something ultra futuristic such as an extremely stylish floating building or a series of buildings the Jetsons style with an dark orangy/black sky typically found in future representations and you have to fight a huge cyborg like creature that sprays harmful bacteria that cannot be physically seen, you need a special device to avoid it...

DCK

14-07-2007, 01:25 PM

Well, I suggest you buy a 360 then :heh:

Seriously, I don't see how this fits a Zelda game for one second. I guess it would be a good game, but any random character could be the main character.

Petey Piranah

14-07-2007, 01:37 PM

Well, I suggest you buy a 360 then :heh:

Seriously, I don't see how this fits a Zelda game for one second. I guess it would be a good game, but any random character could be the main character.

:bouncy: It can fit. It follows the same formula of a Zelda game in every respect, only the environments are radically different. You acquire an important item from each area you clear that is used to reach the final point in the game just like previous installments. You couldn't have other random characters as Link is the only person that is capable of matching the power of Ganondorf in all of Hyrule which is why there is this whole test/ordeal of Link having to survive in virtually unbelievablly difficult unbearable conditions. You could even chuck in an assistant of some kind that is also banished with Link, just like other Zelda games a random that appears to try to jump in front of Link as Ganondorf unleashes his powerful transportation magic and thus also gets banished to the other world/time period as well.

Hellfire

14-07-2007, 01:59 PM

I'm sorry I also don't think that's Zelda at all.
I also don't understand how TP lacked freshness with the Wolf and all his senses and gameplay changes, Twilight, very different items, refusal to reuse every typical Zelda minigame and Wii controls.

Cube

14-07-2007, 01:59 PM

Shigsy quote about possible future Zelda games such as Link being in the contemporary world was quite interesting.

If that actually happens.....I'll sell everything Nintendo-related I own.

Retro_Link

14-07-2007, 02:10 PM

Link is the hero of time. Having this sort of setting would be the ultimate way to live up to this title.Actually, one Link is the Hero of Time, the others... not so much!

I really don't think that works at all well for a Zelda game, you can't have him getting mixed up in crime sprees over the city etc... Zelda is NOT and should never be some sort of GTA/Spiderman hybrid!
You can't just rid the game of all the classic enemies/items/scenery/architecture that the series is built on and replace it with common thugs/henceman/dinosaurs/ultimate weapons etc...!!! that could be ANY very generic game, but it's not Zelda!!

To be honest I don't think I'd object to a Zelda that was set in a more futuristic Hyrule, if Nintendo really did want to try taking the series in a different direction like that! After all, whenever Ganondorf appears a new Hero is born; but you've still got to stay true to the series, or else it's just not Zelda anymore!

Hellfire

14-07-2007, 02:27 PM

Id' hate a futuristic/contemporary Zelda, but I wouldn't mind seeing some advances in technology like some sort of weird muskets and stuff. Always mantaining the "middle age" fantasy setting of course.

Mikey

14-07-2007, 02:40 PM

Give us Wind Waker, in widescreen, and updated controls, and I'll be happy.

david.dakota

14-07-2007, 02:44 PM

Give us Wind Waker, in widescreen, and updated controls, and I'll be happy.

And get shot of that bloody triforce treasure hunt.

We've had a Zelda fix on Wii, is there any reason to get a new Zelda out so soon. I'd not actually mind if the next Zelda appeared on the next Nintendo console - its only 5 years away!

Mikey

14-07-2007, 02:53 PM

Yeah, that treasure hunt was kinda gay. Get rid of that too.

Tellyn

14-07-2007, 03:36 PM

Right, I was being stupid last night with the last Zelda thing, sorry.
But I highly doubt we will see another Zelda on Wii, bar Virtual Console or a spin-off on Wii Software.

Give us Wind Waker, in widescreen, and updated controls, and I'll be happy.

I'd love for that to come out next year, Aonuma told Nintendo Power he'd love to make one.

Blue_Ninja0

14-07-2007, 03:40 PM

We've just had 2 zelda games recently. Don't expect anything for the next ages. I'm happy that they don't have another zelda in the works yet. Let the series rest and come out with a bang and originality, like what happened to Metroid Prime.

Tellyn

14-07-2007, 05:57 PM

I wish Flagship still existed instead of being split up by Capcom. They could be cracking on with some awesome handheld Zelda games, such as remakes of Oracles and possibly more utilising the DS' features. Ah well. We still have Phantom Hourglass and Tingle RPG to come in September and October.

DCK

14-07-2007, 06:25 PM

Give us Wind Waker, in widescreen, and updated controls, and I'll be happy.That would be cheap. If they add four dungeons and fill in other gaps in the game (music at night please!), add widescreen and progressive scan, then I'd buy it definitely. Maybe they could throw in some cool stuff like additional shader effects and Phantom Hourglass connectivity :smile:

Tellyn

14-07-2007, 06:28 PM

Maybe not Phantom Hourglass connectivity, but just DS connectivity. It could replace the GBA-GC thing for the Tingle Tuner, and the in-game Tingle Tuner could be modified to look like a DS. Then they could go crazy with item innovation when someone's using the DS to call Tingle for help.

Gaijin von Snikbah

14-07-2007, 10:59 PM

Shoot me if Im wrong. I vaguely remember Nintendo saying they were allready underway working at the next Zelda. I think it was sometime last summer/autumn.

Anolis E

15-07-2007, 12:24 PM

Shoot me if Im wrong. I vaguely remember Nintendo saying they were allready underway working at the next Zelda. I think it was sometime last summer/autumn.

I remember the same thing.

Retro_Link

15-07-2007, 12:38 PM

Shoot me if Im wrong. I vaguely remember Nintendo saying they were allready underway working at the next Zelda. I think it was sometime last summer/autumn.Yeah that's already been mentioned in this thread.

Maiky-NiSuTe

15-07-2007, 12:42 PM

did any one expect something else? i meen hello its Nintendo and hello its Zelda. both are delaying factors. expect the new Zelda in 2010 together with the new Nintendo console.

DCK

15-07-2007, 05:09 PM

hobbzinio

15-07-2007, 05:15 PM

I am glad. Zelda is traditionally a game that comes out every 3 years or so and each time the games are fuckin epic.

Leave Nintendo to their production values and you will end up with more of a groundbreaking product.

Bloody moaners

Retro_Link

15-07-2007, 05:26 PM

Nintendo won't release a new console in 2010 in any scenario. The next Zelda will be on Wii; it'll just take a while. Not a big surprise to be honest.

Thing is though, Nintendo will have issues keeping us happy the next years. Mario is out this year, and usually goes at a rate of one per home console. Metroid will be put in the freezer for some time now the Prime trilogy ends and Retro Studios gets the freedom to focus on other games. And now Zelda appears a no go anywhere before 2010. The big names will require some waiting, and I can hear the 'fanboys' now.

To replace the big three my hopes are on Pikmin and Star Fox. For the rest, I hope we get some great new franchises from Retro Studios and Monolith that are worthy to be substitutes for the Big Three Adventures.Very true!

Nintendo will have to reley on its secondary line-up of franchises like...
Pikmin, Starfox, Donkey Kong, Nintendo Sports... Waverace/1080/Excitebike/truck etc...

Hopefully Disaster Day of Crisis will deliver, then yeah like you said hopefully Monolith can offer something next year, but the next Retro title won't be before 2009 at the earliest!

triforcemario

15-07-2007, 06:04 PM

Maiky-NiSuTe

15-07-2007, 07:19 PM

something i remembered Nintendo saying... the new Zelda will be for the cube (in the end it was for the Wii but the cube just got the downgraded version of it)

Retro_Link

19-07-2007, 10:27 AM

http://www.cubed3.com/news/8160/1/Aonuma_&_Miyamoto_Talk_Wii_Fit,_Zelda_&_Mario_Galaxy

Nintendo Wii/DS News | Aonuma & Miyamoto Talk Wii Fit, Zelda & Mario Galaxy

Aonuma said he has ideas for the next Wii Zelda, but he joked that Miyamoto initially responded, "No, you idiot" since it is too early to discuss that;

Aonuma was asked about the possibility of a direct sequel to Twilight Princess, with 1:1 sword fighting using the Wii Remote, to which he replied "Would you like that? We're still evaluating...";

Talking about the simplified controls for Phantom Hourglass on DS, Aonuma stated having streamlined gameplay has been effective, but Nintendo is still waiting to get feedback from Europe and the U.S. once Phantom Hourglass is released before deciding whether to make it the norm for future games;

Aonuma was the Producer of Phantom Hourglass, rather than taking on the usual Director's role. But he worked closely with the new Director, something he may consider doing in the future again so he can create "something original" as well;

He also mentioned how he has thought about how Link would react in a contemporary or World War II setting, but has not given much thought to how he would create a Zelda game in such a different world; The Great War of Hyrule = YES!!...
A contempory/World War setting = GET OUT NOW!!!

People need to stop talking about a contempory/futuristic Zelda or else Nintendo may actually be stupid enough to listen!

Cube

19-07-2007, 10:31 AM

1:1 sword fighting
contemporary or World War II setting

No, just no. That would be horrible.

Patch

19-07-2007, 10:51 AM

DCK

20-07-2007, 02:21 PM

No, just no. That would be horrible.
Agreed. Zelda has a fantasy setting, it wouldn't fit in the modern world. Making a Zelda game about the Great War would be hard enough.

Jasper

20-07-2007, 02:52 PM

Agreed. Zelda has a fantasy setting, it wouldn't fit in the modern world. Making a Zelda game about the Great War would be hard enough.

I'm not sure if you're right about this, actually. Okay, you don't introduce guns and all, but something in the way of the Skies of Arcadia futuristics would be awesome. But without the guns, though.

corkcrumbs

20-07-2007, 04:16 PM

something i remembered Nintendo saying... the new Zelda will be for the cube (in the end it was for the Wii but the cube just got the downgraded version of it)

Yes, next Zelda could end in the same way as Zelda TP.. in between two consoles..

DCK

20-07-2007, 05:03 PM

I'm not sure if you're right about this, actually. Okay, you don't introduce guns and all, but something in the way of the Skies of Arcadia futuristics would be awesome. But without the guns, though.
Maybe that would work, in fact, City in the Sky in TP is kind of like that, but 'World War II' settings in Zelda are ridiculous.

McMad

20-07-2007, 08:09 PM

Jasper

20-07-2007, 08:30 PM

I'm getting bored of the past, Zelda at least needs to advance a century or two, doesn't need to be modern but they need to do something different with the next title; it needs to be a big departure from the usual setting.

Hyrule on it's own clearly isn't as great as it used to be.

So imagen a world like the on of Skies of Arcadia, but without the floating islands. One big world with technology and ancient castles living together.

What I really want, though, is to see the ancient Hyrule crippled. What if the old Hyrule castle was destroyed with the ruins remaining and people who had forgotten about the legends. I imagen a land where there is war. Where all evil is gathering. I want to see the episode of Zelda where Ganondorf finally gets killed and thee legend sort of ends.

So here's what I came up with:
The Link of The Wind Waker founded a new Hyrule hundreds of years ago. Every race got a watchtower that reached high into the sky, but most of the six towers are now just ruins. In the center of the world lies one last tower to protect the people, and surrounding it is a gigantic city, fields as far as the eye can stretch, mountains and forests beyond that. Now imagen that in the North Ganon's tower appears and the soul of Ganon is all that remains and it is gathering all it's power for one last strie (Since Ganon was stonefied in the Wind Waker but not killed, since he holds the triforce - he has no body anymore). The story would be something of gathering the ancioent artifacts that helped the heroes to defeat Ganondorf time after time again. The Ocarina, The Wind Waker, the Master Sword, ... All the artifacts. Now wouldn't that be more itneresting than collecting tons of amulets and colored diamonds? I think so, yes.

I want one Zelda to rule them all.

I'm not influenced by The Lord of the Rings. At all.

Anolis E

20-07-2007, 09:13 PM

Perhaps we could have a Zelda game that retains an overall fantasy setting, but revolves around some ancient and long lost technologically advanced civilisation. Link would have to search through its ruins in order to discover some kind of secret behind Hyrule's past. Perhaps the nature of the godesses themselves could be adressed.

(MINOR?) SPOILERS BELOW ABOUT TP
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TP actually already touched upon this theme (finding stuff out about some ancient civilisation) briefly with the whole Occoca thing, although their civilisation didn't seem as advanced as they sometimes claimed it to be and it was merely a side story.

triforcemario

20-07-2007, 09:26 PM

Perhaps the idea of having Zelda based in a Steampunk-style era would be a good move (like in Final Fantasy 6).

Cube

20-07-2007, 09:44 PM

Isn't Medieval/Steampunk starting to become a cliché, though?

triforcemario

20-07-2007, 10:06 PM

Medieval : Yes. Steampunk: No.

Pit-Jr

21-07-2007, 02:02 AM

Jasper

21-07-2007, 07:09 AM

I think they should give Zelda the present-day
Eternal Darkness/Neverending Story treatment.

Say some kid stumbles across the book of Midori (sp?) at the local bookstore, takes it home and gets sucked into several eras of the Triforce struggle, including more current ones.

It could work!

That's exactly the crappy story that FInal Fantasy Advance had. And that game sucked. There's no need at all to make the story go for a present-day setting. Fantasy never works in such a setting. It needs to be in the past or the future because the present days never look as interesting.

Maybe something on 'The Legend of Zelda: The Global Warming', where link gathers the sages to talk about the overheating of Hyrule that has occured since Ganondorf was defeated and there where no black clouds to keep the sun away anymore. Okay, it should be called 'The legend of Zelda: The Global Dimming', but you all get the point.

DCK

21-07-2007, 07:50 AM

A Zelda game should remain a Zelda game though. All this setting change talk are basically desires for other franchises like Skies of Arcadia and Lord of the Rings. There's no need to be overconservative with the franchise, but if you want another game then stop wanting Zelda to be that game.

killer kirby

21-07-2007, 07:58 AM

All we can do really is just wait and see what the outcome will be of what they make ^_^

Pit-Jr

21-07-2007, 12:10 PM

That's exactly the crappy story that FInal Fantasy Advance had. And that game sucked.

Thats not what i had in mind at all......though i agree that FFT Advance sucked.

The concept worked beautifully in Eternal Darkness though.

I was thinking more along the lines of, say, the present-day Link kid needs to shrink so he goes back to the Picori era to get the Minish Cap, or maybe he needs to learn a high jump spell so he goes back to the AOL era to learn it from the old man in Rauru.

So its been done before, but it would be a great way to tie all the Zelda games together and make some sense of the series timeline