Pokemon RPG Wii

[Ant-Shimmin]

It's probably been mentioned before and ruled out by Nintendo, but wouldn't a Pokemon RPG be awesome, I mean countless pokemon and more area to discover than any FF....Anyone agree?

[Cube]

Only if it had a completely new battle system.

[pedrocasilva]

^ They'd have my money.

[Zelda_Rulez]

Will never happen, but if it does I'll probably get it.

[mike-zim]

even better. a pokemon mmorpg. stuff dreams are made of

[darksnowman]

Everyone knows what a great idea it would be, its lunacy that Nintendo hasnt went for it yet. They must make enough sales of the Stadium/ Coloseum type games.

And what was the thinking behind this thread anyway? Talk about timing with E3 and all.

[flameboy]

I just think the Pokemon RPG is so deeply routed as a handheld game they just don't see it as a fully fletched console RPG.

[mike-zim]

I dont get why though. I would be absolutly glues to a pokemon rpg for a home console.

[mcj metroid]

I still don't understand why this hasn't happened. The idea is so obvious.

[steggy]

I still don't understand why this hasn't happened. The idea is so obvious.

It's been obvious since they brought out the first pokemon games, with people wanting a game like this on the N64. I honestly can't see it happening if it hasn't happened already....maybe I shouldn't say things like that just before E3.

[mcj metroid]

NO it will never happen but I really wonder why.

[Petey Piranah]

Someone write a letter to Nintendo and complain!

[steggy]

NO it will never happen but I really wonder why.

Yeah it's one of those unanswerable questions.

What is the sound of one hand clapping?
If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around, does it make a sound?
Why hasn't nintendo released a Pokemon RPG on a home console?

: peace: Deep man : peace:

[Petey Piranah]

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

WHUERGH perhaps? The sound of air.

[Dilli Gee]

Awesome idea - especially if online! - but will never happen. Why? God knows.

[triforcemario]

I would love something like this, but not like Pokemon Colloseum/XD: Gale of Darkness, since those games had no exploration whatsoever.

[Petey Piranah]

Is there any Pokemon that would be able to beat Ganondorf in his beast form? (Smash Bros scenario excluded).

[Serebii]

There were console RPGs...they went a different way from the main games and people bitched...its why Nintendo went back to just Stadium style with Battle Revolution

A MMORPG is never going to happen. It goes against Nintendo's Online Strategy. MMORPGs cannot work with friend codes

Pokemon itself is a handheld franchise. Thats how it works so well, being able to play anywhere and everywhere. A Home Console version just wouldn't fit right. Nintendo knows this and thats why the console games have essentially been side-games and spin-offs

[mike-zim]

i think an MMO is a missed opportunity by nintendo.

[Serebii]

Pokemon itself as an MMO wont work...

[T-Bird]

As much as I love the Pokemon games and will continue to buy the new Gameboy/DS versions as long as they're released, it would be nice for them to take the franchise a step further as GTA did from 2-3.

As soon as I think of a huge 3D Pokemon world, I drool.

[mike-zim]

Why not? yeah it would need a little adjusting but all the basics are there. Thousands of other pokemon trainers adventureing around the world trying to be the very best. Gotta catch em all.

[Petey Piranah]

I just want to clarify here, the proposal here is that Nintendo release a Pokemon MMO game, thats a Massively multiplayer online game, so would this mean that we effectively would all be trainers in a huge online world where we ride around various towns and we run into people online and battle them, and also cooperate with others to do double teams, form gangs and bring down superior players?

[mike-zim]

that would be the basics of it yes. obviously there would be mechanics that would need to be introduced. Pokemon with different abilities etc. Leveling up pokemon would have to be made harder so the game lasted but i would say that is the basics of it.

[Petey Piranah]

I can see why so many people are yearning for this to become a reality. This could quite seriously surpass GTA San Andreas in sales.This would be unprecedented in Japan especially...

[Mike]

As long as Nintendo up the graphics on their next handheld Pokémon game (Diamond and Pearl could surely have looked better), I'll be happy. An online home console RPG would be great, but if Nintendo were going to do it, they'd have done it by now.

[Dilli Gee]

Pokemon itself as an MMO wont work...
Why not? It'd be like World of Warcraft.

Instead of "warrior", "paladin" and "mage" classes, you have "trainer", "healer" and "breeder" classes (among others like "coordinator" and "watcher" - the latter could implement Pokemon Snap elements).

You don't have different races, but you have different nationalities - so players start off in different regions, like Kanto, Johto, Orange Islands, etc.

And it would work like this: gym bosses and important Pokemon/characters will be non-interactive AI, but everyone else is an online player. You can team up with other online players, and form your own clan and travel the Pokemon world with them, or play it alone.

The general Pokemon trainer's aim is to defeat the Elite Four or equivalent, and become a Pokemon Master.

The breeder's aim is successfully breed hundreds of pokemon, and get recognised for it.

Coordinators must win lots of talent shows.

Watchers generally try to get their art work/photos published.

And healers must try to attain a certificate in Pokemon veterinary care.

Finally, the villains of the game are Team Rocket, and a sub-quest is to thwart their evil plans.

[Petey Piranah]

As long as Nintendo up the graphics on their next handheld Pokémon game (Diamond and Pearl could surely have looked better), I'll be happy. An online home console RPG would be great, but if Nintendo were going to do it, they'd have done it by now.

Well you never know, Nintendo have really only started to get into online gaming now. Assuming the life cycle of Wii is until 2012, theres still some time left for the ULTIMATE Pokemon game to be developed/made on Wii...

[Serebii]

Diamond & Pearl are visually great. The mixture of 2D and 3D is done so expertly and it looks great. Full 3D games on the DS hardly ever look great and are usually fairly small in comparison to the world that is in DP. It'd look horrible. Especially in battle with all 493 Pokemon, each with shiny forms, 455 attacks all needing to be animated and look good...it wouldn't have been pretty thats for sure

As I said, a MMO game for Pokemon wont work firstly due to Nintendo's Online Strategy. They are adamant that Friend Codes are the way to go and they promote safe gaming...this is not possible in a MMORPG

Plus things like gyms, leagues etc are also not viable on a MMO, plus legendary Pokemon...there only being one of each, it'd be mania.

In my expert opinion as head PokéGeek in the world (joke), I just don't see it working

[DCK]

A Pokemon RPG in 3D wouldn't be that great if it had the same basic battle system as the 2D games. They'd have to change the battle system and they'll never do that.

Also, Game Freak developers specifically said that Pokemon RPGs were meant for handhelds.

[steggy]

WHUERGH perhaps? The sound of air.


Pokemon itself is a handheld franchise. Thats how it works so well, being able to play anywhere and everywhere. A Home Console version just wouldn't fit right. Nintendo knows this and thats why the console games have essentially been side-games and spin-offs

Well I guess that answers those questions.

What about this one
"If a tree falls onto a Mime Artist, does he make a sound?"

I think a Pokemon MMO would be great, but as stated before the friend code system just doesnt lend itself to it. Unless you couldn't talk to other people and could only battle them. Then you could only chat to people on your friend list. I don't see that as being much different, security wise, to playing random ranked matches in Mario Strikers.

[Dilli Gee]

Also, Game Freak developers specifically said that Pokemon RPGs were meant for handhelds.
Nintendo own the franchise. They can make whatever game they want.

[Emasher]

There were console RPGs...they went a different way from the main games and people bitched...its why Nintendo went back to just Stadium style with Battle Revolution

A MMORPG is never going to happen. It goes against Nintendo's Online Strategy. MMORPGs cannot work with friend codes

Pokemon itself is a handheld franchise. Thats how it works so well, being able to play anywhere and everywhere. A Home Console version just wouldn't fit right. Nintendo knows this and thats why the console games have essentially been side-games and spin-offs

the thing is if you had an mmorpg pokemon game the pokemon world would be way to crowded if you know what i mean. could you imagine having to decline 1m [/hyperbole] battles on you way from little root to sandgem.

plus what happens if you like pokemon but you can't get your console online those people would feel like nintendo abandoned them

[Serebii]

Nintendo own the franchise. They can make whatever game they want.
Nintendo own PART of the franchise. Its a 1st Party Franchise yes but the game development isnt by Nintendo, its Gamefreak

[Dilli Gee]

Nintendo own PART of the franchise. Its a 1st Party Franchise yes but the game development isnt by Nintendo, its Gamefreak
Not so. Pokemon is wholly owned by Nintendo (via their Pokemon USA Inc. and Pokemon Co. subsidiaries).

Game Freak is a second party developer Nintendo delegates to make the HANDHELD RPG games. They do not own the franchise, nor even part own.

If Nintendo wanted another company (lets say HAL Labs) to make a Pokemon RPG, they can. And just for the record, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is by Chunsoft, Pokemon Ranger and Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2 by HAL Labs, and the GC/Wii games by Genius Sonority.

EDIT: HAL Lab's Pokemon Ranger is an RPG, so that's proof enough.

[Dilli Gee]

I don't know what Nintendo has against this game idea. It would sell so much, it's a shame they don't actually want to cater to their fans.

If it was anything like WoW, in terms of depth and span (you know, an actual living/breathing universe, with all the regions, all the gyms and all the Pokémon), I'd gladly pay £8 a month.

And WoW isn't exactly graphically the best game in the world, is it now? The Wii could easily run a game with those graphics, although a hard-drive would be essential I guess.

I hope they're secretly developing this title. It would make everyone happy, and they could even tie in the release of a hard-drive too.

[mcj metroid]

I don't know what Nintendo has against this game idea. It would sell so much, it's a shame they don't actually want to cater to their fans.

If it was anything like WoW, in terms of depth and span (you know, an actual living/breathing universe, with all the regions, all the gyms and all the Pokémon), I'd gladly pay £8 a month.

And WoW isn't exactly graphically the best game in the world, is it now? The Wii could easily run a game with those graphics, although a hard-drive would be essential I guess.

I hope they're secretly developing this title. It would make everyone happy, and they could even tie in the release of a hard-drive too.

I agree anyone who thinks this won't work really is just unimiginative.

[Hellfire]

You have to understand this would be a HUUUGE task, even if they just went for the first 151 Pokémon. I don't think I even need to bother explaining why. Of course that I want one, but to be honest, the game is meant to be on a handheld.

[Serebii]

As I said before, Pokemon was developed to be played on the go, as a handheld game. It cannot translate well to the console. The developers recognise this, I just don't see why other people cant

[Emasher]

I'd much rather have a re-make of gold and silver on the DS than a rushed RPG on the Wii.

[Ramar]

As I said before, Pokemon was developed to be played on the go, as a handheld game. It cannot translate well to the console. The developers recognise this, I just don't see why other people cant

Completely agree. Pokémon just wouldn't be the same if I had to keep going back to my Wii. Pokémon is on the go, from the car, train, bed, sofa to the toilet.

[Dilli Gee]

The developers recognise this, I just don't see why other people cant
It would be no different to something like Final Fantasy X, but instead of a team of different class soldiers, you'd have up-to 6 Pokemon.

[Emasher]

It would be no different to something like Final Fantasy X, but instead of a team of different class soldiers, you'd have up-to 6 Pokemon.

Can you reply again after reading the above posts.

[Iun]

Why not have it so you can transfer your pokemon to an "on-the-go" setting as well? Sort of the reverse of the Stadium games I guess.

What would happen is that you would build a team on the Wii in the main RPG and then be able to transfer them to a cart on the DS then go looking for "action" as it were. The main bulk of the RPG would be on the big console, but you coul level your pokemon on the go with the DS and play training matches etc.

[Dilli Gee]

Can you reply again after reading the above posts.
"on the go" = backwards thinking.

Zelda was made to be played at home, did that stop the portable versions? Phantom Hourglass, imo, is better than the last home console offering.

I'm absolutely certain that given they make obvious changes to the combat system, Pokemon could very easily be an online/home-console RPG. The GameCube games showed us that, albeit with flaws.

Doubt, such as "it was developed to play on the go", isn't really an excuse.

[djamb3]

I don't want to see a mmorpg just because I don't want to be paying every month to play it. And yes the sacred pokemons and gyms wouldn't work that well....
HOWEVER, and this is my dream :p , I'd like to see a first person (!) rpg\adventure where you would enter huge and dark florests and fighting wild pokemons, sailing through great oceans just to find a rare gyrados. well you get the idea. with the wii remote you move the camera and when necessary you launch pokeballs pressing a key. Than you have dpad to choose your pokemon attack.

You get the ideia.... :)


yeah I dream a lot

[DCK]

Pokemon isn't anything like World of Warcraft or Final Fantasy, nor should it be. You want some filler RPG with a Pokemon skin, not a Pokemon game.

[King_V]

Nintendo will NEVER do this for home consoles as we would want it to be. Nintendo always thinks about its future first before giving any mere fan what he or she wants. Pokemon with great graphics and online play is the next Gameboy pokemon fad. Pokemon is on it's last legs now.

I however feel the future of Pokemon lie with the Wii; a great online rpg that we crave and that will go against other offerings on other consoles, they could also do something with pokeballs and waggle. Does anyone remember how you got info about the characters in Super paper Mario? I feel something like that would make a great pokedex...But what do I know?

[Emasher]

It would take too long to make and by the time it was finished the next console would be just around the corner. Pokemon is best played as a 2-D game. It just doesn't transfer very well to 3-D. Its not going to happen for a very long time if it ever happens. I wouldn't mind a pokemon mmorpg for the DS though, thats something that could actually happen.

[King_V]

Pokemon is best played as a 2-D game. It just doesn't transfer very well to 3-D.

People always say that but really its down to the how would we know if they don't try factor. Colloseum and XD were simply poor games in theory, but I found the slight increase in content in XD to be a bit more pleasurable. But it still contained repeated uninspiring locations, with uninspiring generic keyboard music, lame characters, simple storyline which is all amplified by having bad choices of pokemon to choose from. On a home console they could really reinvent the series and be put on the level of a Final fantasy storywise if they really wanted to...But why should they when any piece of garbage with the name 'Pokemon' sales. But expect this when you got like 50+ execs running the show.

[Dilli Gee]

Well, we'll see how Nintendo reacts to Microsoft's new MMORPG later this year.

I think without a doubt, Marvel Universe Online is going to completely revolutionise how we play online games.

If Nintendo is really thinking about the future, they'd be developing/re-developing a franchise to rival it. And Pokemon would be such a franchise.

[Emasher]

There are too many people who hate pokemon games though just because of that stupid anime show. Many of them own a 360. If nintendo wanted to compete with them by releasing a better mmorpg than they will probably find something else.

[King_V]

There are too many people who hate pokemon games though just because of that stupid anime show. Many of them own a 360. If nintendo wanted to compete with them by releasing a better mmorpg than they will probably find something else.

Not according to how much Pokemon has sold though. Pokemon has all the elements to be a potentially great MMORPG. I mean Pokemon battles are just so addictive...And this is coming from a relatively 'cool' 21 year old.

[Pit-Jr]

Zelda was made to be played at home, did that stop the portable versions? Phantom Hourglass, imo, is better than the last home console offering.


Doubt, such as "it was developed to play on the go", isn't really an excuse.

Exactly. Nintendo takes huge liberties with its franchises. Seriously, Mario RPG? Metroid as a FPA? Link in a lightgun game?

Have you naysayers even been paying attention the last decade?

[DCK]

Exactly. Nintendo takes huge liberties with its franchises. Seriously, Mario RPG? Metroid as a FPA? Link in a lightgun game?

Have you naysayers even been paying attention the last decade?
None of those removed the old ideas of the franchises. Metroid still got (gets with Dread) 2D games, Mario is still platforming whilst being milked, and the Zelda series has very few escapades. This Pokemon idea would be the future of the series, and that's not the right direction.

The fundamentals of Pokemon don't lend themselves for any of these ideas. The franchise needs innovation, but not this generic (MMO)RPG BS. Nintendo could use Golden Sun or any of Monolith's new inventions for that.
Well, we'll see how Nintendo reacts to Microsoft's new MMORPG later this year.Nintendo hasn't cared half an arse about Microsoft's software in the past, and especially won't care now they're selling them out 1:2 :laughing:

[Dilli Gee]

That's not particularly funny. Wii sells more, but severely lacks in the number of quality 5* titles. And they obviously cared enough to copy the Live Arcade.

[DCK]

That's not particularly funny. Wii sells more, but severely lacks in the number of quality 5* titles. And they obviously cared enough to copy the Live Arcade.Nintendo copied the Live Arcade :laughing: Seriously, that is a twisted view on things.

For your information, the VC was announced at the same E3 Microsoft announced the XLA for the 360.

Anyway, that 5* thing is disputable, and would not be 'solved' by a Pokemon MMO, or any MMORPG for that matter.

[DazzeL]

Xbox 360. As a disclaimer my brother owns one, I wouldn't buy one as I think the PC versions of it's games are much, much better but I've nothing against the machine - it's undeniably good. (If you can stomach analogue sticks for FPS control.... shudder). It's 5* games in two years?

Bioshock (also on PC), Halo 3, Oblivion, Gears of War (also now trumped by a superior PC version)

Wii's 5* games in one year?

Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy

Let's also bear in mind microsoft has had it's best software lineup ever this year. The Wii's problem is not a lack of the "special" top notch games it's the stuff behind them that people play in between stellar releases.

[Gizmo]

Xbox 360. As a disclaimer my brother owns one, I wouldn't buy one as I think the PC versions of it's games are much, much better but I've nothing against the machine - it's undeniably good. (If you can stomach analogue sticks for FPS control.... shudder). It's 5* games in two years?

Bioshock (also on PC), Halo 3, Oblivion, Gears of War (also now trumped by a superior PC version)

Wii's 5* games in one year?

Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy

Let's also bear in mind microsoft has had it's best software lineup ever this year. The Wii's problem is not a lack of the "special" top notch games it's the stuff behind them that people play in between stellar releases.

Your missing Mass Effect and Orange Box from that Xbox list, and RE:4 from the Wii list.

[Hellfire]

It would be no different to something like Final Fantasy X, but instead of a team of different class soldiers, you'd have up-to 6 Pokemon.

Huh? I don't get it.

[King_V]

Huh? I don't get it.

Meaning there could be a deep and intriguing story if they atleast tried and the major element of RPGs, battles, are already sorted with pokemon.

[DCK]

Oh come on, a deep and intriguing story for Pokemon? Who are you kidding?

[King_V]

Oh come on, a deep and intriguing story for Pokemon? Who are you kidding?

Actualy a few of their animes were somewhat 'deep and intriguing'. The first movie and the Entei movie comes to mind. It could happen.

[DCK]

If that's your definition of deep and intriguing anything could happen.

Anyway, Pokemon will always have to appeal to kids, there's no way they're going to make any sort of unpredictable story. For the same reason, there won't be an MMORPG.

[King_V]

If that's your definition of deep and intriguing anything could happen.

Anyway, Pokemon will always have to appeal to kids, there's no way they're going to make any sort of unpredictable story. For the same reason, there won't be an MMORPG.

A reason? More like an excuse. It won't happen because Nintendo can't be arsed.

[DCK]

No, it won't happen because it's bad business. That, and you'd be attacking the charm of the game. Pokemon taps nearly everything out of its own charm, it's what defines the franchise.

Just because you would, and they wouldn't, doesn't mean they can't be arsed. They don't want to make a Final Fantasy game with Pokemon characters.

[LazyBoy]

I'm sticking with DCK right through the thread here.

King_V, not only does Pokemon not need a story, it shouldn't have one. Hell, it should rid itself of the whole 'Team' (galactic) thing. In fact, if you're going for MMORPG there should be no story at all.

And although I don't like to disagree with Serebii on Pokemon (since he knows more about Pokemon than all the other people on this board combined) I do think an MMORPG can co-exist with the handheld games, and even enhance it. Functionality between the two would be incredible.

But there is a very good reason why Nintendo won't do it. They don't have to. Pokemon sells well whatever it is. Making it MMORPG would just waste money needlessly.

[Marthuser]

You know what would be awesome? An MMO set in Hyrule.