Bioshock

[KKOB]

http://kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/06/bioshocklogo.jpg

Going beyond "run and gun corridors," "monster-closet AIs" and static worlds, BioShock creates a living, unique and unpredictable FPS experience. After your plane crashes into icy uncharted waters, you discover a rusted bathysphere and descend into Rapture, a city hidden beneath the sea. Constructed as an idealistic society for a hand picked group of scientists, artists and industrialists, the idealism is no more. Now the city is littered with corpses, wildly powerful guardians roam the corridors as little girls loot the dead, and genetically mutated citizens ambush you at every turn.

Take control of your world by hacking mechanical devices, commandeering security turrets and crafting unique items critical to your very survival. Upgrade your weapons with ionic gels, explosives and toxins to customize them to the enemy and environment. Genetically modify your body through dozens of Plasmid Stations scattered throughout the city, empowering you with fantastic and often grotesque abilities. Explore a living world powered by Ecological A.I., where the inhabitants have interesting and consequential relationships with one another that impact your gameplay experience. Experience truly next generation graphics that vividly illustrate the forlorn art deco city, highlighted by the most detailed and realistic water effects ever developed in a video game.

Make meaningful choices and mature decisions, ultimately culminating in the grand question: do you exploit the innocent survivors of Rapture...or save them?

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http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1457/1158679227.jpg


I've been following this game since E3 last year, and i'm glad to say it's just got a European Launch Date. Perfectly situated before Halo 3 in the midst of August (the 24th to be precise).

This game looks to be the one of the best on the 360, a unique world so heavily detailed and rich in character, gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous graphics and mind blowing water effects in addition to extremely smart AI, no real linearity, a game where if you die and restart the enemies don't do what the did last time, or come from where they did.

The twisted little sisters just really do it for me, sucking Adam out of corpses and it's upto you whether you want to take on her big daddy and kill her for the massive amount of Adam she has, or let your paternal/maternal side win and leave her to run off.

While looking very tense and quite scary the gameplay looks to be the best of any FPS adventure type game. Easily eclipsing Preys annoying native american theme and portal gimick.

I for one cannot wait to get this game! Anybody with me?]

Video: http://gamevideos.com/video/id/12134

[Jordan]

I'll be picking up the PC version of this game. Letty can't wait for it, probably because its so fucked up, shes gunna be scared shitless playing it... just like me T_T

[Caris]

I'm just not botherd about this.

Dunno why.

[Hero-of-Time]

I'm just not botherd about this.

Dunno why.

Yeah Im the same at the moment, just looks like another FPS game to me. Again, like Mass Effect, despite not feeling anything for the game I will probably pick it up regardless.

[That Guy]

Every video I see of it looks fecking amazing. I've got high hopes for this.

[KKOB]

Every video I see of it looks fecking amazing. I've got high hopes for this.

Same, and it's not too far off ^_^

Definitely one of my most anticipated games for this year. More than Mass Effect, or even Halo 3, probably.

[CoolFunkMan]

I've been following this game for a very long time, I really can't wait for this! Plus it's by the makers of System Shock 2, one of my all time favorite games and, imo, one of the scariest ever. This is easily my most anticipated game of this year (along with Crysis). I really hope that the limited edition makes it over here. I'm deffo picking up the PC version too, as it's one of the reasons why I upgraded.

[The fish]

I'm not that excited about this game, but if I have the cash when it comes out, I'll probably pick it up.

[The Bard]

I'm not excited, but I'm definately going to get it, because it looks brilliant. It's just not the kind of game I get excited about I suppose. Same kinda goes for Mass Effect.

[The fish]

Same kinda goes for Mass Effect.

He who gets in the way of me buying Mass Effect stands to be separated into at least 12 different pieces of roughly even size.
You have all been warned.

[Ant-Shimmin]

I'm either going to get this or two bits of 1GB Ram....

It's looking like the later

[hobbzinio]

It sorta reminds me of a more twisted version of Timesplitters?

[Razz]

I cannot wait at all for this game. I don't know why, It just looks amazingly deep/scary, and I like horror games. I really like the second trailer, with the Big Daddy drilling you. Creepy

[theguyfromspark]

I've got a feeling that this might disappoint when it eventually comes out, all the previews seem to be desperately trying to like it but aren't that enthusiastic by the end. I Hope I'm wrong though.

[Jordan]

It sorta reminds me of a more twisted version of Timesplitters?

Its a modern day, underwater version of System Shock.
In System Shock, you used electrical inplants to change your abilities, in Bioshock, you use crude biological weapons, straight into your body. Such as injecting yourself with flies, then using them against your enemy.

Sounds crazy, but it mixes things up.

[system_error]

Sounds really promising but my notebook won't have the power to deal with it properly I guess.

Pentium-M 2GHz, 1GB Ram, GF 6800Go 256MB Ram are simply not enough - but it will take a few years until I get a new machine :)

I guess it gets time for a second console...

[theguyfromspark]

Achievements have been revealed:

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/achievements.php?gameID=271

[Caris]

I'm just not botherd about this.

Dunno why.

I take that back, i've just seen some new trailers and videos and the game looks fantastic.

[Climhazzard]

This games always looked fantastic in my opinion, hopefully il have my xbox repaired before its released, cant wait, this and blue dragon on the same day!!

[Caris]

Repairs are free now you know.

[Climhazzard]

yeah i know which is good cos otherwise i wouldnt hav been able to afford bioshock

[Hero-of-Time]

I will post this here aswell as it will no doubt get lost in the 360 thread.

Bioshock review 10/10 from Official mag and 95/100 from PC Gamer.
http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=136519

[theguyfromspark]

I will post this here aswell as it will no doubt get lost in the 360 thread.

Bioshock review 10/10 from Official mag and 95/100 from PC Gamer.
http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=136519

Fantastic! I Hope it lives up to the hype and reviews now.

[Owen]

Could well be one of 360's best sellers this year! Looks shit scary!

[Bluejay]

Game has too much screaming. Every enemy bawls their head off constantly.


GotY confirmed.


But seriously, Bioshock looks divine. I love dystopian visions and I love shooters. Hence why I love Half Life 2 so much. There is no doubt I will be entoxicated by this game.

[hobbzinio]

It got 95% in PC Gamer too ;)

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/Chuggy182/DSC00304.jpg

This is now definetly going to be purchased! I love dark 1 player games like Condemned etc. This fits the bill nicely

[Bluejay]

"Game of the Year. Game of the Year. La la la la la."

That is the song I shall sing when this game hits. Super hyped now. I trust PCGamer a lot, I had a free sub a while ago and the writers now what thoer talking about.

That 95 isn't a ONM 95 (aka a 70) that is 120 on ONM scale. In other words pretty damn sweet.

Better than HL2. I can't see it but I would love to be proven wrong.

[The fish]

Oh, bugger. Looks like I'll have to buy it now...

[CoolFunkMan]

Woooo!!! I knew PCG would give it a good review, this is deffo GOTY material! :D

I just wish that my subscriber issue of the mag had arrived today, I really want to read that review. ><

[rokhed00]

Woooo!!! I knew PCG would give it a good review, this is deffo GOTY material! :D

I just wish that my subscriber issue of the mag had arrived today, I really want to read that review. ><


Postal strike strikes again.

[The fish]

Postal strike strikes again.

It seems they did it just at a time to hit N-E members worst.

I don't get Rainbow Six Vegas.
Ashmat doesn't his debit card.
No one gets their subscriptions.

Well, they certainly got our attention.

[AshMat]

It seems they did it just at a time to hit N-E members worst.

I don't get Rainbow Six Vegas.
Ashmat doesn't his debit card.
No one gets their subscriptions.

Well, they certainly got our attention.

THEY SUCK DICK!

[gaggle64]

Bioshock sounds fantastic but somehow just doesn't light my fire as much as some other upcoming titles. It'll probably be something I get for the PC about five years down the line, and I'll wonder why I ever delayed.

[The fish]

THEY SUCK DICK!

Not really, they just want to get what is essentially the same pay as they're meant to. They've loosing out due to inflation.

[Ant-Shimmin]

It seems they did it just at a time to hit N-E members worst.

I don't get Rainbow Six Vegas.
Ashmat doesn't his debit card.
No one gets their subscriptions.

Well, they certainly got our attention.

Don't forget by £109 phone you git you!

[The fish]

Don't forget by £109 phone you git you!

*slaps palm onto forehead*
I knew there was something I'd forgotten!

Yeah, Ant's phone too...

Still no sign of my game or he phone, judging by the proper strike thread.

[Ant-Shimmin]

*slaps palm onto forehead*
I knew there was something I'd forgotten!

Yeah, Ant's phone too...

Still no sign of my game or he phone, judging by the proper strike thread.

I think my phones arrived though...Won't know 'till I get home from work

According to the Link it says you order during the weekend you get it Tuesday and the post in the morning was delivered...He's hoping :yay:

[Gizmo]

And don't forget my copy of GRAW!

They are bastards, those damn posties. But I do agree that they are underpayed.

[BeerMonkey]

when is bioshock coming out?

cant wait and with that 95% in pcgamer im more hyped now

[Owen]

when is bioshock coming out?

cant wait and with that 95% in pcgamer im more hyped now

August 24th for 360, not sure about PC.

[Stefkov]

You get a free Big daddy figurine if you order the special edition from gameplay.
I wantsss

[Chuck]

This got a 10 in OXM. the only other game to get 10 was oblivion

[Hero-of-Time]

This got a 10 in OXM. the only other game to get 10 was oblivion

Yeah and I wasnt keen on that either lol

[KKOB]

This got a 10 in OXM. the only other game to get 10 was oblivion

Fuck yeah! I feel so happy as a guy whose been ranting about this game since last year!

Real bitch i can't get the limited ed. unless i happen upon one on ebay in september . . .

[Bluejay]

Real bitch i can't get the limited ed. unless i happen upon one on ebay in september . . .
Why not?

You get a free Big daddy figurine if you order the special edition from gameplay.
I wantsss
Don't you get it if you order the Collectors Edition from anywhere? Its not Gameplay exclusive here is it?

[Stefkov]

Don't you get it if you order the Collectors Edition from anywhere? Its not Gameplay exclusive here is it?
Dunno, I just got an email from gameplay saying that. If that's so then I can still get it from gamestation, awesome.

[KKOB]

Why not?

Won't have money till mid september. Well not £50 to spend on a game at least. :'(


K i just checked, i COULD afford it, and it handily comes out a couple days after my resit exam. Just £50 is a lot of money imo. I wouldn't mind if i knew i'd enjoy it like i know i enjoy say a Zelda or Halo but i'm a tiny bit wary. I'll most likely end up buying it anyway especially as the big daddy figure is (s)excellent!

[Hero-of-Time]

This got a 10 in OXM. the only other game to get 10 was oblivion

Im gonna go pick up a copy of the magazine in a min, need a shower first. I want to have a read about what they say about they game. Im I like the only person in the world who isnt excited about this games release? Has anyone got any vids that will help me change my mind?

[KKOB]

Im gonna go pick up a copy of the magazine in a min, need a shower first. I want to have a read about what they say about they game. Im I like the only person in the world who isnt excited about this games release? Has anyone got any vids that will help me change my mind?

The e3 06 vid on XBLM is awesome.

Link to scans (http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=136522)

Videos (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2610)

love you HoT!!!

okay, i've got some stuff in the trade boards to try and rake up enough money so i'm not leaving myself totally broke. I'll put in a gameplay order based on any attention my games get from you connoisseurs :wink:

[Mundi]

This game and Crysis are the reason why i´m buying a new computer :Þ
Oh yes, cant wait for my new computer

[Bluejay]

Dunno, I just got an email from gameplay saying that. If that's so then I can still get it from gamestation, awesome.

Looks like you are right. Gameplay/Game exclusive. That sucks.

Shopto have a "tin edition" however. I don't know what that is.

[Chuck]

there is an exclusive faceplate on play.com with standard edition

[KKOB]

there is an exclusive faceplate on play.com with standard edition

Annoyingly tempting-and i hate face plates normally.

[Caris]

I might actually buy that one and flog the faceplate on Ebay, will i get in on launch?

[Niji]

BIOCOCK

OLOLOLOL

[Caris]

Your gonna get banned. I'm gonna make sure of it.

[Chuck]

SPAM!^^^^ where is Ashley when you actually want an infranction

[Niji]

Your gonna get banned. I'm gonna make sure of it.

I was only joking :(

edit: Oh, and it's you're

:)

[immy]

Your gonna get banned. I'm gonna make sure of it.


good to see :wink:

[The fish]

Hmm...I stand with H-o-T on this one: It looks like a good game, but I can't see what the fuss is about. All the plasmids seem a little irritating. I predict a lot of pressing the "next weapon" and "next plasmid" buttons...

For me, the jury is still out.

[Hero-of-Time]

Hmm...I stand with H-o-T on this one: It looks like a good game, but I can't see what the fuss is about. All the plasmids seem a little irritating. I predict a lot of pressing the "next weapon" and "next plasmid" buttons...

For me, the jury is still out.

YEY! I have a friend!

I got this months OXM but I still havent read the review. Having looked at all the pretty pictures though this games does at least look great, it has a very weird art style.

[KKOB]

YEY! I have a friend!

I got this months OXM but I still havent read the review. Having looked at all the pretty pictures though this games does at least look great, it has a very weird art style.

It's art style is like gothic-y art deco that's been left to rot and mutate for 50 years.

FUCKING LOVE IT!!!

Gameplay looks awesome as well. Anyone who says it's 'just a shooter' is talking out of their arse. Watch the gameplay vids on gametrailers. Plus resources are fairly limited, meaning you actually have to use your brain unlike say Halo or Gears, where it's a shooting gallery.

[BeerMonkey]

3 weeks!!! dam hurry up

may wait a bit or even get blue dragon for xmas now

[Stefkov]

I'm not really looking forward to it as much as other games but something new that passes the time is always nice.

[BeerMonkey]

I was only joking :(

edit: Oh, and it's you're

:)

man i hate it when people correct spelling on this forum :nono:

[Gizmo]

I can't decide if I want to buy this game or just get it as part of my LoveFilm rental thing...I mean it has no multiplayer, but from what I've heard it's one of those games which you can play through more than once? Also, the faceplate on Play.com is rather sexy, which sweetens the deal a bit.

On the other hand, I could not buy it, and use the money to get another game that comes out once my LoveFilm trial is over, or towards my TV. God damnit.

Do you guys think it would be worth buying this rather than renting, or will I be able to get the max from this with just a rental?

[KKOB]

How long do people think the game will be?

I'm hoping for 15 hours ish, really like the free form nature of it so i won't get bored :D

[Stefkov]

man i hate it when people correct spelling on this forum :nono:
If you can't tell the difference between your and you're then it makes you wonder how they got/will get through school and then through later life.
How long do people think the game will be?

I'm hoping for 15 hours ish, really like the free form nature of it so i won't get bored :D
I'm hoping for a long story. About 15 hours, maybe 20 would be nice.

[Hero-of-Time]

I'm hoping for a long story. About 15 hours, maybe 20 would be nice.

Theres supposed to be 2 endings aswell isnt there? If so 2 play throughs will be a must.

[KKOB]

I'm hoping for a long story. About 15 hours, maybe 20 would be nice.

I'm not expecting any real 'story' as such. I'd like it if it lead you through the game, but left a lot of the story to be discovered in game, like through posters, and films and such.

[Bluejay]

I'm not expecting any real 'story' as such. I'd like it if it lead you through the game, but left a lot of the story to be discovered in game, like through posters, and films and such.

Thats how it works apparently. Voice logs and stuff too. Creepy.

I bought PCGamer purely to read the review. What a nerd. Top 100 PC Games was cool though.

Shall I scan the review up properly or what?

[gaggle64]

Nah, we got the jist of it last time. As I recall:

As a gaming journalist I live for those moments when you just can't believe what I'm seeing, what I'm doing. Bioshock has five.

95%

Alternatively: A barren, joyless gaming life.
Let them buy the mag. It's a good mag.

[KKOB]

Thats how it works apparently. Voice logs and stuff too. Creepy.

I bought PCGamer purely to read the review. What a nerd. Top 100 PC Games was cool though.

Shall I scan the review up properly or what?

Please do! No chance in hell of me buying it since i own a mac :D

[The fish]

No chance in hell of me buying it since i own a mac :D

Now that's just immature...

[KKOB]

Now that's just immature...

I'm not going to buy a magazine which is of no use to me bar for a review for a multiplatform game. £6 is better spent on a foot long subway in my case.

I did used to buy the magazine up until about a year ago, when PC games started to bore me a bit. PC Zone- never really found it interesting and PC Gamer is definitely the best PC games mag out there.

[CoolFunkMan]

Well, I got the mag the day after I made that post, and I've read that review (only about 5 times now. :heh:) It's deffo got me even more hyped for this game. I was amazed to read that the game ran on max settings with an Athlon X2 5200 and an entry level GeForce 8. I'll deffo be playing Bioshock at it's best then! :grin:

The next few months of PC gaming are going to be fantastic!

[KKOB]

Just put in my order with gameplay for the collectors ed sexiness.

[Gizmo]

I've ordered from Play, normal edition with the faceplate :)

[hobbzinio]

Cannot wait for this game! Aint been a great atmospheric shooter/puzzler for ages.

[Stefkov]

I want to order this and get the Big daddy figurine. Bloody money.

[Bluejay]

I really want the Collectors Edition but I can't fathom (or justify) paying £50 for a videogame, no matter how many wonderful extras I get.

Awwww I wanna Big Daddy Figure.

I'd get the faceplate one but the Faceplate on PLAY is kinda lame

I want this one. eBay? http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1167/910343123_677155c562.jpg?v=0

[KKOB]

I really want the Collectors Edition but I can't fathom (or justify) paying £50 for a videogame, no matter how many wonderful extras I get.

Awwww I wanna Big Daddy Figure.

I'd get the faceplate one but the Faceplate on PLAY is kinda lame

I want this one. eBay? http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1167/910343123_677155c562.jpg?v=0

Way i see it is i'm paying £15 extra for the awesome tin, soundtrack, making of dvd and figure.

Makes me feel better.

Yeah Im the same at the moment, just looks like another FPS game to me. Again, like Mass Effect, despite not feeling anything for the game I will probably pick it up regardless.

I'm not that excited about this game, but if I have the cash when it comes out, I'll probably pick it up.

I've got a feeling that this might disappoint when it eventually comes out, all the previews seem to be desperately trying to like it but aren't that enthusiastic by the end. I Hope I'm wrong though.

First page is fun to read now :D

[Bluejay]

Scans as promised. Not great but the best I could do without destroying the magazine. Save them and use zoom and they should be readable.
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/7685/60885307wz9.jpg
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http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1540/27414635sp7.jpg
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http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9264/31076223vw9.jpg

[KKOB]

AWESOME and THANK YOU!

[immy]

thanks alot mate!

[KKOB]

woah! that review is so positive! :D

[McPhee]

Theres no multiplayer in this game, right? Might get it on PC, a lot cheaper :smile:

[KKOB]

Theres no multiplayer in this game, right? Might get it on PC, a lot cheaper :smile:

£10 cheaper = a lot?

No multiplayer-which i am happy about. Probably what has made the single player so highly polished.

[Hero-of-Time]

Do you get a proper 360 game box with the special edition?

[KKOB]

Do you get a proper 360 game box with the special edition?

Better! You get an embossed steel one, kinda similar to the PDZ collectors ed minus the plastic sleeve.

http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/images/products/XT1168_1_lq.jpg

[Hero-of-Time]

BOOOOOO! Looks like the normal one for me as I like the normal boxes so they match all my other games. Yes, im a very picky man :)

[Bluejay]

£10 cheaper = a lot?

I assume he means alot cheaper meaning pirated. :heh:

[KKOB]

I assume he means alot cheaper meaning pirated. :heh:

Oh. . .

*Spanks McPhee HARD*

NAUGHTY BOY!

[Bluejay]

Oh. . .

*Spanks McPhee HARD*

NAUGHTY BOY!

Oh man.

Just when I was forgetting you were a scary gayman. :grin:


Don't we get the giant square box that the US has?

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/99287/BioshockCE_qjpreviewth.jpg?115601

That one.

[KKOB]

Oh man.

Just when I was forgetting you were a scary gayman. :grin:


Don't we get the giant square box that the US has?

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/99287/BioshockCE_qjpreviewth.jpg?115601

That one.

Well it's in the pic on the gameplay site so i assume so yes, only way of fitting it all in. Very similar to the LOTR extended edition boxsets.

Oh, and yes i am a scary gay man, a scary 40 year old gay man into S&M, leather and watersports-but thats besides the point.

When does money get taken out of your account for Preorders at Gameplay? Never got a game from the internet before it's been released-if that makes sense . . .

[McPhee]

I assume he means alot cheaper meaning pirated. :heh:

Me? Pirate games? Never!!! :nono: I just value £10 :indeed:

[KKOB]

Me? Pirate games? Never!!! :nono: I just value £10 :indeed:

Oh. . .

*Spanks McPhee HARD*

NAUGHTY BOY!

QFT=Quoted For Truth

[Dog-amoto]

Has anybody downloaded the demo on Xbox Live yet? Took me pretty much all day to download (though I'm not sure why) and then it crashed halfway in. I'll try it again tomorrow when I can be arsed.

Seems very very atmospheric though.

[Hero-of-Time]

Just seen that 2kgames have now got the Bioshock artwork available for download. Check it out at....

http://www.2kgames.com/cultofrapture/artbook.html

[Sanchez]

Dude, I played the demo, this game is amazing, definitely gonna order soon.

[KKOB]

OH.

MY.

WORD.

This could very well be the best game i have ever played. Plasmids <3 Guns <3 Big Daddies <3 creepy fucked up splicers <3

The sound effects are so god damn amazing, as is every aspect of design i've saw in the demo. Seriously gorgeous, intro has some amazing set pieces, i imagine after they've done introducing you to the game you can roam pretty freely. Love the audio logs, love the voice acting.

HATE HATE HATE that it's not out for a few more weeks, but really glad i'm getting the limited edition.

I can't see Halo 3 topping this in terms of experiences and immersion, nor any other 360 game this year.

[Domstercool]

Seems like a very immersive game from the Demo. Looking forward to the final release. I can't say it was scary, more just weird. Project Zero 2 is still the daddy for been spookiest game ever.

[Sanchez]

HATE HATE HATE that it's not out for a few more weeks, but really glad i'm getting the limited edition.

Dude, it's only 10 days now.

[Gizmo]

I'd just like to say that the Irish accent of the "guide" fellow is awesome.

The whole thing is just so breath taking. It looks gorgeous, and the sound is spot on. My favourite moment is the women huddled over the cradle, you hear her and then see the shadow. Creep up to her and she turns round and attacks you, after she died I smacked her in the head with the wrench, and it went even more bloody and disfigured <3

[KKOB]

I'd just like to say that the Irish accent of the "guide" fellow is awesome.

The whole thing is just so breath taking. It looks gorgeous, and the sound is spot on. My favourite moment is the women huddled over the cradle, you hear her and then see the shadow. Creep up to her and she turns round and attacks you, after she died I smacked her in the head with the wrench, and it went even more bloody and disfigured <3

Yummy yummy gore :D

I love that guy, he is really awesome! His accents rather nice too ;)

I hope he lives for a long while.

Dude, it's only 10 days now.

:yay: :yay: :yay:

My resit is 7 days away so i like to pretend it's really months away, fooling yourself FTW!

[The fish]

I found the demo slightly scary when you first go into the lighthouse, as I expected the lights to go on and there to be some...thing...

Instead the whole thing is creepy, which is rather cool. It makes you want to know what has happened.

[hobbzinio]

For Takeo -

I didnt know what to expect going into the Bioshock demo at all. What can I say? It is fuckin incredible. Atmospheric, amazing iconography, interesting characters, great gameplay system, awesome graphics. Definetly can see why it is being tipped game of the year and I will be buying.

It is like Condemned on crack.

P.S. The hacking section was very confusing. TBH I didnt have a clue how to do it even after reading the instructions, did you guys do it ok?

[Gizmo]

The hacking was awesome. You had to uncover the tiles, then swap the pipe pieces and get the liquid to the other exit before it spilled.

Is there anyway to stop more guys coming though? I died after about 6 of them came in a row, and decided that was a good place to stop playing the demo. More surprises for the real thing right? Though I did misso ut on playing with the fire plasmid.

[The fish]

The sights on firearms are a little hard to use (turns too slow), but other than that the combat is awesome. Getting a security bot and the gun turret in the toilets (the second lot) on your side then leading the splicers in is really fun!

Also, is it just me, or is the fire plasmid almost completely useless in the demo? The Electro Volt is much handier, for stun-wack combos on splicers and for allowing you to hack.

[KKOB]

I had probs with the hacking, i was like HUH?! then just payed the thing to get hacked.

[The fish]

I had probs with the hacking, i was like HUH?! then just payed the thing to get hacked.

I found it fairly easy after a couple of initial tries. As there is no other need of money in the demo, you might as well pay them.

[CoolFunkMan]

I finally got my internet fixed, and I'm downloading the demo now. Though it's going so painfully slow...

[Bluejay]

For Takeo -

I didnt know what to expect going into the Bioshock demo at all. What can I say? It is fuckin incredible. Atmospheric, amazing iconography, interesting characters, great gameplay system, awesome graphics. Definetly can see why it is being tipped game of the year and I will be buying.

Off topic but I like to learn to new words. What does iconography mean? Or inconoclast.

I know I could look it up in a dictionary or something but that is dull.

First try I shorted the bot but on my second run I was quite the pipemania pro. You have to keep revealing and swapping quickly to make a path, its speed not mistakes.

Going to play the demo a third time soon. I play demos too much. I have already played the Katamari demo 3 times (9mins) and the Stranglehold demo at least 6 times.

[hobbzinio]

Iconography mate is like when certain objects have secondary meanings. So like in a horror film if the lighting was red it could represent death is coming or a rose represents love.

Game had loads of forms of it. I also loved the 60's artwork and the scene with the mother pushing the pram. I really thought it was the irish guys family and went towards them to help, and the bitch turned around trying to kill me lol.

Game was just awesome, the attention to detail was class

[Bluejay]

Iconography mate is like when certain objects have secondary meanings. So like in a horror film if the lighting was red it could represent death is coming or a rose represents love.

Game had loads of forms of it. I also loved the 60's artwork and the scene with the mother pushing the pram. I really thought it was the irish guys family and went towards them to help, and the bitch turned around trying to kill me lol.

Game was just awesome, the attention to detail was class

Ah, thanks. Interesting

BECAUSE KNOWLEDGE IS POWER


I knew that something would be up with that woman as basically every inhabitant of Rapture is crazy so I zapped her with the lightning.
http://2bangkok.com/2bangkok/Simpsons/SimpPhobia.jpg
ZAP

[Sanchez]

P.S. The hacking section was very confusing. TBH I didnt have a clue how to do it even after reading the instructions, did you guys do it ok?

Yeah I worked it out first go, it's a simple pipe game really. Every tile on the board has a pipe piece under it, the objective is to create a drain from the start to the finish (duh) which were marked by light blue arrow things. When you find a tile you want you press A to swap it with the current one you're "holding" and then A again when you find the tile you want to place it. What I wasn't sure on was how to hack. The first time I electro shocked it down and then it gave me the option to hack but afterwards I couldn't hack any more, am I only allowed one robot friend?


Is there anyway to stop more guys coming though? I died after about 6 of them came in a row, and decided that was a good place to stop playing the demo. More surprises for the real thing right? Though I did misso ut on playing with the fire plasmid.

If its where I think it is, then we had the same problem, it was right at the end with one of those "Regenerator" things that you spawn in and a couple of entrances, and they stream in about 2-3 or a time for a while. I died a couple of times there before they stopped coming.

Or are you talking about the room with fire and a red tinge with the robots and the people that kept on coming?

[Haden]

Off topic but I like to learn to new words. What does iconography mean? Or inconoclast.

I know I could look it up in a dictionary or something but that is dull.

First try I shorted the bot but on my second run I was quite the pipemania pro. You have to keep revealing and swapping quickly to make a path, its speed not mistakes.

Going to play the demo a third time soon. I play demos too much. I have already played the Katamari demo 3 times (9mins) and the Stranglehold demo at least 6 times.

If you mean iconoclast its someone who hates icons it is used to describe the split between iconoclasts and iconophiles in the Byzantine Empire. Iconophiles loves icons and thought they were ok in the eyes of god.

Anyway back to the game yeh this may be the one to make me get a 360!

[CoolFunkMan]

I can now officially say that Bioshock is BLOODY AMAZING!! That's got to be one of the best demos I've ever played, and it's looking as if it'll be one of the best games ever too!

I had no problems with the hacking, although I do think it's really tense. In fact, the whole game is tense and freaky. I can't wait to get this, though it'll be the PC version for me methinks! :grin:

[Gizmo]

I don't really know. Like I say I decided to call it a day there, I got what I wanted from the demo.

[triforce_keeper]

It scared me to death :(

Everytime one of those zombie things with the freaky masks came at me I jumped and pressed pause, I'm such a loser :P

Grrr I hate this about me, I'm shit scared of playing these games, it ruins it for me, like Resi Evil 4, I couldn't enjoy it cuz I was panicking all the time :/

Anyway as for everything else it was very good, I loved the idea and the graphics are awesome.

If only they replaced the zombie people with fluffy rabbits....:)

[Kurtle Squad]

man i hate it when people correct spelling on this forum :nono:

Aww...Poor baby:indeed:

If people used correct grammar/spelling, it wouldn't happen in the 1st place.

It scared me to death :(

Everytime one of those zombie things with the freaky masks came at me I jumped and pressed pause, I'm such a loser :P

Grrr I hate this about me, I'm shit scared of playing these games, it ruins it for me, like Resi Evil 4, I couldn't enjoy it cuz I was panicking all the time :/

Anyway as for everything else it was very good, I loved the idea and the graphics are awesome.

If only they replaced the zombie people with fluffy rabbits....:)

HAHA....Resi 4 isn't scarey AT ALL:heh:....The others are a bit though, well REmake & Zero.
I used to like that with REmake, but then it was like "meh"...oh, and Eternal Darkness...thoguh that's far more scarey.


Anyway, hopefully my download of this will be done soon.

[Hero-of-Time]

Tried playing the demo this afternoon and then it crashed on me so I deleted it.

Those wanting to play on the Hard setting in the demo then check this out.

Before starting the demo, go to your gamer profile in the dashboard and then change your default game settings. Go to general, then change your difficulty to hard.
Now when you start the demo, hard should be highlighted when you have the option to select your difficulty. Don't move the cursor or you will not be able to select hard again, unless you go back (B).

[Dexter]

really dont see what the fuss is about fellas.:shakehead

[Slaggis]

It scared me to death :(

Everytime one of those zombie things with the freaky masks came at me I jumped and pressed pause, I'm such a loser :P

Grrr I hate this about me, I'm shit scared of playing these games, it ruins it for me, like Resi Evil 4, I couldn't enjoy it cuz I was panicking all the time :/

Anyway as for everything else it was very good, I loved the idea and the graphics are awesome.

If only they replaced the zombie people with fluffy rabbits....:)

I do the same thing! I either start worrying, get creeped out, jumping and generally being a total mental patient.

Thats the best thing about the games though, it gets you more invovled

[hobbzinio]

lol You guys are pussies :D

Scariest moment in a game for me has to be the Dolls store in Condemned, that definetly made me jump a few times.

[Caris]

I hated that, i actually made Chuck do it when he was at mine i hated it that much...

[Chuck]

Yeah, that was a bitch. If Bioshock works on XP, can you get achievements?

[Caris]

Hahahahahahahaha.

[Jordan]

Afaik, theres no achievements for the PC version of Bioshock but it is a Games for Windows title, it doesn't support GFW Live, because it would need to be Vista exclusive for that.

[Chuck]

Yea, I thought it would need Vista. Oh well. I need achievements!

[Caris]

Just play the game without achivments for gods sake. It's 1 game and you don't have a xbox.

Has anyone got the link for the PC magazine scans?

[Mercyful Fate]

Just downloaded the demo and played through it.

It's a damn well beautiful game indeed. After the plane crash and when the maincharacter was in the water I didnt move the controller. Thought it was some cut scene haha. And then I wiggled the stick abit and the character moved. Damn, nice effects I thought. And then when he came up to the stairs.. wow.. talk about nice textures.. then the entering into rapture.. the running WATER effects.. Damn. A very nice looking game indeed.. although with some wierd looking stuffs, it's one of the better looking games that I've played. I'm still thinking of keeping my Xbox or sell it though. But this game looks like a damn good game to have..

[Domstercool]

lol You guys are pussies :D

Scariest moment in a game for me has to be the Dolls store in Condemned, that definetly made me jump a few times.

Bah, go play Project Zero 2! Seriously, that will give you one hell of a ride :D

[KKOB]

I'm not finding this game scary at all, it's really fun and beautiful and kinda creepy but that adds to the feel of the game. Really glad i've preodered now as £50 for this game, which takes about 20 hours to complete, is more than worth it.

[Gizmo]

Yeah, if it wasn't so creepy it wouldn't be half as good.

[Ant-Shimmin]

Played the Demo Looks class

Pre-Ordered :)

[chrizkerr2]

Wow at the demo, I so can't wait for this game!

It has to be the first game, where I was actully just walking instead of running and ignoring all the surroudings. Liking the dairy feature and the fact you have to keep a good eye out for objects is good too.

[UziT]

WOW! I am geting pumped for this game man, thing is.....I aint gota a 360 to run it...dont want to run it on my PC!! *counts piggy bank for funds for 360*

[Gizmo]

Apparently alot of American stores have been selling this early, and those damn Yanks have it already :( :( :(

[KKOB]

Apparently alot of American stores have been selling this early, and those damn Yanks have it already :( :( :(

Yeah, some retailers broke the street date by a week. They had pics and stuff on digg yesterday.

[BeerMonkey]

omg lucky yanks :O

9 days to go...hurry up i want bioshock!!

[Slaggis]

lol You guys are pussies :D

Scariest moment in a game for me has to be the Dolls store in Condemned, that definetly made me jump a few times.

I can't play that game lol. I was round a mates last saturday and thought I'd try it. We were in full daylight, he was in the room with me and yet as soon as I started I kept jumping every time I saw an enemy and shouting constantly things like "Shit, I'm gonna die" and instead of fighting, I would turn the opposite direction and try and runaway.

I'm that sad.

[Stefkov]

I think I might try the game with the brightness up a bit. I think it was a bit too dark at some points.

Haggis play some Viva Pinata, that'll cheer you right up. :heh:

[Slaggis]

I think I might try the game with the brightness up a bit. I think it was a bit too dark at some points.

Haggis play some Viva Pinata, that'll cheer you right up. :heh:

lol, knowing me I'll get freaked by the one of the pinata's :heh:

I really want to play "fear" but know I'll just die staight away due to being to scared.

[That Guy]

I'm not playing the demo. I've hated so many demos and loved the actual game that I just don't let them affect my judgement.

[Owen]

I'm not playing the demo. I've hated so many demos and loved the actual game that I just don't let them affect my judgement.

I haven't played the demo either, i'm going to wait for full release!

[Ant-Shimmin]

Demo's have to be the worst best temptation ever...

Play the Demo (Kind Of) Spoil the game

Play the Demo save Your Money if you don't like it...

[KKOB]

Bioshock Guardian Daft spotted. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/aug/16/guardianweeklytechnologysection.games4)

[Daft]

Bioshock Guardian Daft spotted. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/aug/16/guardianweeklytechnologysection.games4)

Just a warning there is a slight spoiler in the paragraph starting:

"Now, that's not to say videogame developers don't have a responsibility to make a game that deals with moral issues very seriously,"

So just give it a miss and its a good read...except the last sentence which is just stupid.

[Domstercool]

10/10 on Eurogamer! :)

[BlueStar]

Played through the demo and can't really see what all the fuss is about, seemed pretty meh. Looked well done but was just another samey linear FPS set in the same kind of post-apocalyptic environment we've seen thousands of times before, albeit this time underwater. I don't understand why this is being considered some kind of revolution, we've had magical powers at our fingertips as an alternative to firepower in plenty of FPS's, and as far as I can tell the weapon progression is identical to every other FPS under the sun (Crowbar>Pistol>Machine Gun>Rocket Launcher>Sniper>Experimental/Alien Weapon)

Same with the enemies, creepy schoolgirls were done in F.E.A.R, Prey and Silent Hill, and the crazed mutant humans are the staple food of 99% of games out there.

Like I say, it looks polished but I don't see why people are frothing at the mouth over it as if it's some kind of new level in gaming when it's just another FPS.

[Daft]

Thats what I was thinking but after reading a couple of review I'm just going to give the full game a rent instead of base my judgement on the demo.

[Dexter]

Played through the demo and can't really see what all the fuss is about, seemed pretty meh. Looked well done but was just another samey linear FPS set in the same kind of post-apocalyptic environment we've seen thousands of times before, albeit this time underwater. I don't understand why this is being considered some kind of revolution, we've had magical powers at our fingertips as an alternative to firepower in plenty of FPS's, and as far as I can tell the weapon progression is identical to every other FPS under the sun (Crowbar>Pistol>Machine Gun>Rocket Launcher>Sniper>Experimental/Alien Weapon)

Same with the enemies, creepy schoolgirls were done in F.E.A.R, Prey and Silent Hill, and the crazed mutant humans are the staple food of 99% of games out there.

Like I say, it looks polished but I don't see why people are frothing at the mouth over it as if it's some kind of new level in gaming when it's just another FPS.

Completley agree with you. How this gets 10/10 i dont know.

I think the bioshock bandwagon is that full, theres no more room on it.

[hobbzinio]

Played through the demo and can't really see what all the fuss is about, seemed pretty meh. Looked well done but was just another samey linear FPS set in the same kind of post-apocalyptic environment we've seen thousands of times before, albeit this time underwater. I don't understand why this is being considered some kind of revolution, we've had magical powers at our fingertips as an alternative to firepower in plenty of FPS's, and as far as I can tell the weapon progression is identical to every other FPS under the sun (Crowbar>Pistol>Machine Gun>Rocket Launcher>Sniper>Experimental/Alien Weapon)

Same with the enemies, creepy schoolgirls were done in F.E.A.R, Prey and Silent Hill, and the crazed mutant humans are the staple food of 99% of games out there.

Like I say, it looks polished but I don't see why people are frothing at the mouth over it as if it's some kind of new level in gaming when it's just another FPS.

bleh you must of played a different game to me.

Always get the haters, I suppose.

[Daft]

bleh you must of played a different game to me.

Always get the haters, I suppose.

There wasn't any "hate" in those observations.

[lilscooter11]

Thought the story was great! But the gameplay felt a bit meh to me. Seen better in the form of Condemned for the melee and oblivion for the magic, and Deus Ex for the interactivity. But it was just a demo after all, I probably will buy the game, it just isn't my most wanted game and am happy to say my main games now will be Halo 3, Rock Band (if it actually makes it this side of christmas) and Guitar Hero 3, also with some various Wii games. Hopefully I'll get it from ebay in the future though.

[KKOB]

Completley agree with you. How this gets 10/10 i dont know.

I think the bioshock bandwagon is that full, theres no more room on it.

Well, since you haven't played or finished the actual game, i doubt you would know.

The demo is shallow compared to what everyone has said about the AI and it's quite a small demo area wise imo. But the game is like 15 hours+ long so there's a gajilion over things in the actual game.

[Gizmo]

What the demo doesnt show is things like Tonics, having to choose which plasmids to equip, gun customization, the more advanced hacking stuff, combat with the big daddy and the little sister, the size of Rapture, the "boss" battles...

[BeerMonkey]

played through the demo eariler and i WANT THE GAME EVEN MORE now!!!!
truely awesome loved the guy getting the crap kicked out of him by a big daddy i was egging him on :P
havent looked forward to a game this much in years i think....i got work next friday but got it preordered down game (double points) so gunna race from work to game to buy it then got 3 days off to play it yey!!!

i think this game will go down as one of the best if not the best game this gen

[Hellfire]

I'm soo getting this for the pc. Could use a better gfx card but it'll work I suppose.

[Hero-of-Time]

More reviews are coming in. Ign gave it 9.7 and 1up gave it 10/10. Are we indeed looking at GOTY here? I think we very well could be even though it still doesnt really capture my interest.

[Dexter]

played through the demo eariler and i WANT THE GAME EVEN MORE now!!!!
truely awesome loved the guy getting the crap kicked out of him by a big daddy i was egging him on :P
havent looked forward to a game this much in years i think....i got work next friday but got it preordered down game (double points) so gunna race from work to game to buy it then got 3 days off to play it yey!!!

i think this game will go down as one of the best if not the best game this gen

i dont think so. We still have assassins creed, gears of war 2 and supposedly alan wake this gen.

[Niji]

i dont think so. We still have assassins creed, gears of war 2 and supposedly alan wake this gen.

But what about Wii games!!!

[KKOB]

But what about Wii games!!!

Sequels almost never get as much praise and attention as the first games in the series unless they really shake things up. So i'd say that Gears of War 2 will be solid, but not as great as the first game, MP3, Mario Galaxy and SSBM all look awesome but they're just sequels, adding some good new things into the mix but not really a big leap like say 2D->3D, or FFX -> FF XII. There are always exceptions like Half-Life 2, but journos love new fresh things cos they play games 24/7 almost.

*runs off to read some reviews hoping for no spoilers*

IGN There is art here, despite what many would say isn't possible with games, from Roger Ebert to game designers like Hideo Kojima...BioShock stands as a monolithic example of the convergence of entertaining gameplay and an irresistibly sinister, engrossing storyline that encompasses a host of multifaceted characters. This is an essential gaming experience. 9.7/10

EuroGamer BioShock is the ultimate rarity: not only does it live up to its lofty promise, but exceeds it through simple, old fashioned talent and imagination - not to mention verve, style,class, wit, and sheer bloody-minded ambition. It takes the tired, worn-out FPS genre by the scruff of the neck, reinvents and bend it out of shape in such a breathtaking fashion that it's going to take something very special to top this in the months and years ahead. 10/10

GamePro What if a game's narrative was as intricate and as immersive as its graphics? What if as much attention went into dialogue and atmosphere as went into pixel shaders and high-resolution textures? What then? Ladies and gentlemen, the answer is BioShock, one of the most playable, thought-provoking, and just downright impressive games to emerge on a home console since, well, ever. 10/10

OXM UK Amazingly written and beautifully constructed, it's a complete emotional rollercoaster which we can't drawn any parallels with...You'll be playing this game for months to come, exchanging story elements to build up the bigger picture, and arguing about what it all means. [Sept 2007, p.88] 10/10

Game Informer It’s ingenious, enthralling, and a masterpiece of the most epic proportions. So without further delay, would you kindly enter Rapture so that you too can experience the best that video games have to offer? 10/10

WOW!

That is amazing!!!

[Hero-of-Time]

WOW!

That is amazing!!!

Meh, still not sold on it :)

[KKOB]

Meh, still not sold on it :)

Well you didn't like Oblivion.

<3 Oblivion.

TBF there's a lot more reason to like this game than there is to like Oblivion.

[Hero-of-Time]

Its clearly an amazing game due to the high level of praise its recieving its just I dont really feel anything for it. Its probably due to its art/design as I always prefer colourful/jolly games rather than dark ones. This is probably why I have been such a fan of Nintendos work all these years.

[KKOB]

Its clearly an amazing game due to the high level of praise its recieving its just I dont really feel anything for it. Its probably due to its art/design as I always prefer colourful/jolly games rather than dark ones. This is probably why I have been such a fan of Nintendos work all these years.

I'm usually the same. But i love the dark humour of the art style, and the characters and the speech. This is probably i'm not turned off by Bioshock as i may have been on paper. Metroid Prime even turned me off a bit on my first attempt of playing it because i found it too dull and empty, so i played Zelda and Mario instead. But having gone back i can play it now and love it. Maybe it's an age thing for me.

[Gizmo]

http://bioshockpwns.ytmnd.com/

http://imaginary-factories.com/B2.png

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/bioshock

oshit.

[theguyfromspark]

I'm still hoping Mass Effect will be my GOTY, but I'm sure this will be a close second, for 360 releases anyway.

[Dexter]

funny thing is though, how can something be perfect? Nothing is perfect. Thats why i dont understand how it can get 10/10.:shakehead

Are you telling me that i can play Bioshock and not find 1 fault with it? Not a single thing? No glitch, no 'mistake', no nothing?

It sounds to me like all the gaming sites are riding the back end of this game becuase its the 'in' thing.

[immy]

funny thing is though, how can something be perfect? Nothing is perfect. Thats why i dont understand how it can get 10/10.:shakehead



not this shit again

[Dexter]

not this shit again

come again?

[Caris]

funny thing is though, how can something be perfect? Nothing is perfect. Thats why i dont understand how it can get 10/10.:shakehead

Are you telling me that i can play Bioshock and not find 1 fault with it? Not a single thing? No glitch, no 'mistake', no nothing?

It sounds to me like all the gaming sites are riding the back end of this game becuase its the 'in' thing.

lol.1010101010

[immy]

come again?

The old this game isn't perfect so how can it get a "perfect" 10 arguement. We've been through it a milllion times the game dosn't have to be "perfect" to get a 10, the reviewer just thinks it is of the extreme quality.

[theguyfromspark]

I don't view 10/10 scores as "perfect" but as a significant and genre-defining game that must be played near it's release date to fully appreciate it.
Whist Bioshock isn't doing anything particularly new, it's the combination of everything that's good about FPSs and Single Player games into one game that make it a 10/10

[immy]

I don't view 10/10 scores as "perfect" but as a significant and genre-defining game that must be played near it's release date to fully appreciate it.
Whist Bioshock isn't doing anything particularly new, it's the combination of everything that's good about FPSs and Single Player games into one game that make it a 10/10

hurray for sensibility

[Dexter]

The old this game isn't perfect so how can it get a "perfect" 10 arguement. We've been through it a milllion times the game dosn't have to be "perfect" to get a 10, the reviewer just thinks it is of the extreme quality.

well, 10/10 is a perfect score which spells 'perfect' for me.

If it doesnt for you, fair enough.

Gears of War was the benchmark on the 360 as far as shooters go, im still waiting for one to better it.

[Caris]

So there is no game you would give 10/10?

Zelda?
FF7?
Metal Gear?
Halo?

[Dexter]

So there is no game you would give 10/10?

Zelda?
FF7?
Metal Gear?
Halo?

nope, dont really think its possible. All games have their faults. I have my favorite games and i give them 9.5 but like i said, nothing is perfect.:)

[Caris]

Think of it this way. If say Halo got 96% it would round up to 10. But it's not perfect case there's still 4% missing.

[Dexter]

Think of it this way. If say Halo got 96% it would round up to 10. But it's not perfect case there's still 4% missing.

yeah i understand where your coming from.

I just try to take the reviews as peoples opinions really, but these guys are suppose to be professional, and i think giving something 10/10 is a little naive.

Maybe a percentage score like you say, is more accurate?

[AshMat]

Just played the demo, that was immense, can't wait.

[KKOB]

yeah i understand where your coming from.

I just try to take the reviews as peoples opinions really, but these guys are suppose to be professional, and i think giving something 10/10 is a little naive.

Maybe a percentage score like you say, is more accurate?

It's not perfect, they don't say it's perfect. Scores are a stupid thing which are just used to show how good a game is at a glance. If you read the reviews they all talk about the good things and the bad things, that is what a review is after all. If a games positives vastly, vastly outweigh its negatives then it deserves a high score, and in some cases 10/10.

In the spoiler free 1up review the reviewer does mention a few small deficits in the immersion of the game, and Gears got 10/10 from 1up as well, showing that it is a game of extreme quality, which delivers on pretty much everything that it promised to.

Game scores aren't a science, there's no stupid formula or machine that you can run a game through to give a 'final score'. So instead of looking at the game, and then the score and saying, 'how the hell did it deserve that, it's not perfect', read the actual reviews to understand why it got the score it did.

[hobbzinio]

It's not perfect, they don't say it's perfect. Scores are a stupid thing which are just used to show how good a game is at a glance. If you read the reviews they all talk about the good things and the bad things, that is what a review is after all. If a games positives vastly, vastly outweigh its negatives then it deserves a high score, and in some cases 10/10.

In the spoiler free 1up review the reviewer does mention a few small deficits in the immersion of the game, and Gears got 10/10 from 1up as well, showing that it is a game of extreme quality, which delivers on pretty much everything that it promised to.

Game scores aren't a science, there's no stupid formula or machine that you can run a game through to give a 'final score'. So instead of looking at the game, and then the score and saying, 'how the hell did it deserve that, it's not perfect', read the actual reviews to understand why it got the score it did.


I hate this guy and even I can say great post.

Cannot wait for next friday?

[Dexter]

It's not perfect, they don't say it's perfect. Scores are a stupid thing which are just used to show how good a game is at a glance. If you read the reviews they all talk about the good things and the bad things, that is what a review is after all. If a games positives vastly, vastly outweigh its negatives then it deserves a high score, and in some cases 10/10.

In the spoiler free 1up review the reviewer does mention a few small deficits in the immersion of the game, and Gears got 10/10 from 1up as well, showing that it is a game of extreme quality, which delivers on pretty much everything that it promised to.

Game scores aren't a science, there's no stupid formula or machine that you can run a game through to give a 'final score'. So instead of looking at the game, and then the score and saying, 'how the hell did it deserve that, it's not perfect', read the actual reviews to understand why it got the score it did.

Im sorry, but i dont agree. Giving it 10/10 is basically saying the game is faultless, to me anyway. Which of course is BS.

I think everyone has got caught up in the hype a little but too much. I was expecting this to be quality, i really was. But its average IMO.

E.g, go up close to something like a wall, or a girder etc and look at the crap textures.

I Might need the beer goggles on to play this one.

[That Guy]

Cause it doesn't. It does if you look at the score and nothing else. Nothing in this world is faultless. Try reading the review and not just looking at the score.

[Gizmo]

There was an excellent discussion on NeoGaf yesterday about 10/10 not being "perfect". However, there was something of a meltdown and the thread has been lost, so I can't quote. I'll look for it again - why is it Neogaf has no search function? :/

[Dexter]

Cause it doesn't. It does if you look at the score and nothing else. Nothing in this world is faultless. Try reading the review and not just looking at the score.

Your post would mean something, if i hadnt read any of the reviews.

However, Ive read several reviews about this game, as i was really interested in it until i played the demo, and im just dumbfounded at the high scores its given.

Heh, i guess its each to their own.

[immy]

There was an excellent discussion on NeoGaf yesterday about 10/10 not being "perfect". However, there was something of a meltdown and the thread has been lost, so I can't quote. I'll look for it again - why is it Neogaf has no search function? :/

neogaf does have a search function, are you a junior member?

[Aimless]

Im sorry, but i dont agree. Giving it 10/10 is basically saying the game is faultless, to me anyway. Which of course is BS.
But if you read publications score guidelines they will only use the word 'perfect' as a negatory. For instance we have Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/scoring_policy.php) that says, "Let us make absolutely clear that a 10 is not and probably never will be 'the perfect game'. There's always something criticisable about a game, however small." And IGN (http://uk.games.ign.com/ratings.html) state, "No game is absolutely perfect, but 10s represent the pinnacle of gaming brilliance."

Perhaps if you gave a game 10/10 you would be saying that it is perfect, but game publications do not use your scale, they have their own. To draw in your own meaning is to warp their message.

I was expecting this to be quality, i really was. But its average IMO.

E.g, go up close to something like a wall, or a girder etc and look at the crap textures.
The same can be said of any game. Gears of War has plenty of muddy textures here and there if you care to look, they are simply not as noticeable as in some other games due to the third-person perspective.

BioShock is easily one of the astounding games I've ever seen, and by that I'm not talking about texture compression: Rapture is a fantastically realised environment, chock full of incidental detail and craftmanship. Epic harped on about 'Destroyed Beauty' for so long, but I actually think BioShock is far more deserving of the title as it truly is an explorable snapshot of broken dreams.

I'm not trying to force you to like the game, but I do want you to appreciate it.

[Sanchez]

Ugh, the most bad ass game since half life 2 and someone had to come over here and hit all over it.

[Gizmo]

Your post would mean something, if i hadnt read any of the reviews.

However, Ive read several reviews about this game, as i was really interested in it until i played the demo, and im just dumbfounded at the high scores its given.

Heh, i guess its each to their own.

What is it for you that makes the game average?

neogaf does have a search function, are you a junior member?

Yeah, I only registered a few days ago. Been stalking for awhile, though. I woulda thought junior members woulda been the most important people to have the search function :blank:

[immy]

What is it for you that makes the game average?



Yeah, I only registered a few days ago. Been stalking for awhile, though. I woulda thought junior members woulda been the most important people to have the search function :blank:

Just get yourself to 100 post then your a proper member and the fun starts!

[KKOB]

Your post would mean something, if i hadnt read any of the reviews.

However, Ive read several reviews about this game, as i was really interested in it until i played the demo, and im just dumbfounded at the high scores its given.

Heh, i guess its each to their own.

ITS A FUCKING DEMO

How can you say you dont agree with a review after playing about the opening 30 mins of a game?!

And you have some really screwed up views about scores, just accept everyone else sees the world differently to you, and that you need to accept 10/10s as 9.8s in your book of 'perfect scoring'.

[Dexter]

But if you read publications score guidelines they will only use the word 'perfect' as a negatory. For instance we have Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/scoring_policy.php) that says, "Let us make absolutely clear that a 10 is not and probably never will be 'the perfect game'. There's always something criticisable about a game, however small." And IGN (http://uk.games.ign.com/ratings.html) state, "No game is absolutely perfect, but 10s represent the pinnacle of gaming brilliance."

Perhaps if you gave a game 10/10 you would be saying that it is perfect, but game publications do not use your scale, they have their own. To draw in your own meaning is to warp their message.


The same can be said of any game. Gears of War has plenty of muddy textures here and there if you care to look, they are simply not as noticeable as in some other games due to the third-person perspective.

BioShock is easily one of the astounding games I've ever seen, and by that I'm not talking about texture compression: Rapture is a fantastically realised environment, chock full of incidental detail and craftmanship. Epic harped on about 'Destroyed Beauty' for so long, but I actually think BioShock is far more deserving of the title as it truly is an explorable snapshot of broken dreams.

I'm not trying to force you to like the game, but I do want you to appreciate it.

Good post, i appriciate what your saying. Bioshock doesnt look as nice as Gears i dont think, and i still stand by the fact that the textures on that Bioshock demo wernt great at all.

Ugh, the most bad ass game since half life 2 and someone had to come over here and hit all over it.

Wait, is this the "Bioshock Clusterf**k thread"? or can anyone talking about Bioshock post here?

I have as much right to post about how i dislike the game, as you do talking about how much you love it.

What is it for you that makes the game average?

Well i dont like FPS, plus i just dont think its as great as everyone is saying, like ive said before, i think the textures are poor on the environments (except the water) and because its dark, people dont notice it.

It makes me laugh when i see people post about how this is gonna be "Teh besst game eva!!11", when you think about whats coming out in the near future.

ITS A FUCKING DEMO

How can you say you dont agree with a review after playing about the opening 30 mins of a game?!

And you have some really screwed up views about scores, just accept everyone else sees the world differently to you, and that you need to accept 10/10s as 9.8s in your book of 'perfect scoring'.

Correct, it is a demo.

How can you sit there and tell me i cant pass judgement on this game from the demo, when you are doing exactly the same thing by saying you love it. How can you completley agree with a review and totally love this game from the opening 30 mins of a game?! Same applies. I played the demo and hated it, you played it and loved it. Im happy for you.

In my book, its screwed up to give something 10/10, and then say "but its not perfect, its really a 9.8764657 but what the hey!"

10/10 will mean perfect to me, always has and always will, your post isnt gonna suddenly change my way of thinking.

All that being said, hope you enjoy the game!

[Hero-of-Time]

Apparently Gameplay and Game are starting to send these out now.

Is there anywhere selling a normal box edition? I dont some tin on my shelf as it will look out of place!

[Aimless]

Apparently Gameplay and Game are starting to send these out now.
Really? I've had my order in with GAME for a while, but whilst it's currently being 'picked and packed' I'm pretty sure that's just so they can be sure the Limited Editions are all ready to be sent in time for release day. I can't see them breaking the street date, although here's hoping for a Thursday delivery.

As for buying a regular boxed copy, ShopTo have it for £32.99 (http://www.shopto.net/page.php?page=dettagli&codart=XB2BI01) amd you'll more than likely get it either Wednesday or Thursday.

[hobbzinio]

Im gonna have to trade in something to afford it. Will prolli sell DiRT, purely cos once you complete it there is fuck all replay value

[DiemetriX]

I just want to randomly point the fact that Dexters way of arguing is way better than some xmembers *cough* zeldafreak *cough*

I understand where he's coming from, although i disagree with his 10/10 scale.
and TBH the Bioshock demo didn't blow me out off the water (no pun intended).
So I can understand why he doesn't think it deserves top scores in his book, he doesn't even really like FPS games.

I personally is looking forward to this game. Although it's only a must buy 'cause the reviews say so. I hope the game delivers when i finally get it (some days before release ^^)

[Jordan]

Bioshock has actually been slightly 'downgraded' for its console release.
The PC version (the one i'll be picking up, due to it being cheaper) has far higher res textures, more particle, lighting and shadow effects as well as Direct X 10 support on Vista.

Anyone noticed the really weirdly clunky death animations of your enemies? I found that just... plain weird. Not a complaint, just weird.

[Aimless]

Anyone noticed the really weirdly clunky death animations of your enemies? I found that just... plain weird. Not a complaint, just weird.
Hmm? I'm not sure what you're referring to. From what I remember enemies go entirely ragdoll upon death. Do you mean the transition from animated to physics-dependant is jarring?

I admit I might be missing something; I played the demo twice and then decided to wait for the full release.

[Daft]

I found really wierd/lame is how your character doesn't have a shadow...

[Gizmo]

Play.com have apparently sent out some aswell, though mine is still awaiting dispatch. But it does say "In Stock" on the item page. Maybe we're going to have some street dates broken over here, like TRU did :D

[Jordan]

Hmm? I'm not sure what you're referring to. From what I remember enemies go entirely ragdoll upon death. Do you mean the transition from animated to physics-dependant is jarring?


It only appears to happen when you're right infront of your enemy. Which is the dodgy thing, usually if theres less animation detail its because of an enemy being far away, GRAW style.

But you could be right about it being an animation to physics transition.

[Hero-of-Time]

Really? I've had my order in with GAME for a while, but whilst it's currently being 'picked and packed' I'm pretty sure that's just so they can be sure the Limited Editions are all ready to be sent in time for release day. I can't see them breaking the street date, although here's hoping for a Thursday delivery.

As for buying a regular boxed copy, ShopTo have it for £32.99 (http://www.shopto.net/page.php?page=dettagli&codart=XB2BI01) amd you'll more than likely get it either Wednesday or Thursday.

Thanks for that Aimless, will probably get it from there then.

EDIT: Just preordered it from Shopto.net. Are they a reliable company? Im a little worried as I have never used them before and im sure I have heard stories about them charging customers twice and other mixups on Xbox.com

[CraigWilkinsUK]

Hmmm, now do I play this on Hard or Normal difficulty? - I've tried both in the demo and Normal didn't seem hard at all. Hard was more of a challenge and imo, that made it more fun, but I don't wanna get further down the line on Hard when I get to a Big Daddy or something and it becomes too difficult and ends up frustrating me. What difficulty is everyone else going to start on?

[CoolFunkMan]

Hmmm, now do I play this on Hard or Normal difficulty? - I've tried both in the demo and Normal didn't seem hard at all. Hard was more of a challenge and imo, that made it more fun, but I don't wanna get further down the line on Hard when I get to a Big Daddy or something and it becomes too difficult and ends up frustrating me. What difficulty is everyone else going to start on?

I'm going to try it on Normal. Imo, "Easy" does seem way too, erm... easy. Normal isn't that hard either, though I'm worried the game might get too difficult later on if I try it on hard mode. Methinks hard mode will be for my second or third run through the game.

[Jordan]

There is a way around to get to Hard mode... Look around on kotaku, there was a post a couple of days ago.

[Aimless]

EDIT: Just preordered it from Shopto.net. Are they a reliable company? Im a little worried as I have never used them before and im sure I have heard stories about them charging customers twice and other mixups on Xbox.com
I can only go by personal experience, and that's an entirely problem free one. The prices are some of the cheapest, next-day delivery is a huge plus, and in some cases I've had games arrive several days early — I recieved Crackdown the Monday before release.

The only reason I haven't got with ShopTo is because I'm after a Big Daddy.

It only appears to happen when you're right infront of your enemy. Which is the dodgy thing, usually if theres less animation detail its because of an enemy being far away, GRAW style.
I just played through the demo again and didn't notice anything. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

[Stefkov]

Thanks for that Aimless, will probably get it from there then.

EDIT: Just preordered it from Shopto.net. Are they a reliable company? Im a little worried as I have never used them before and im sure I have heard stories about them charging customers twice and other mixups on Xbox.com
Just thinking about it, I might not get served in store so i'll get it off the internet. I have the same doubts about shopto. I might just go with Gameplay.

[CoolFunkMan]

There is a way around to get to Hard mode... Look around on kotaku, there was a post a couple of days ago.

I've tried it and it's far more challenging. Though I'll still go for normal mode, just for my first run through.

For those that don't know how to unlock hard mode in the demo, do this:

Go into your profile > Game Defaults > General and set difficulty to "hard". Once in the game go through the menus as normal, but don't move the analogue stick in the difficulty selection. If you do, then you can go back down to select hard mode, but you can press the back button to go back and select it again. Press A and you get hard mode! ^^

Also, I'm not happy. I've just realised that I'm working 11-8 on Thursday and 11-7:30 on Friday, so I won't have much time to play this till Saturday. Grrr. ><

[Slaggis]

Why not preorder it from virgin megastore? 34.99 with free delivery

[CoolFunkMan]

I just had a random thought... how the hell are gameplay actually going to get this to me? I've selected first class postage for the limited edition (with the Big Daddy figurine ), but the box would be too big to post by hand. So will they send it by courier, post van or what?

In America, the CE game box is a standard plastic box, the soundtrack only has 3 tracks and the box isn't embossed. There's a ton of fans moaning about this... I just think it's stupid. The big Daddy Figurine is worth it imo, plus as long as the game's in it, does it really matter? However, I've heard that outside America, the CE has a steel book case, so we'll be getting it, and it's all good. ^^

[KKOB]

I just had a random thought... how the hell are gameplay actually going to get this to me? I've selected first class postage for the limited edition (with the Big Daddy figurine ), but the box would be too big to post by hand. So will they send it by courier, post van or what?

In America, the CE game box is a standard plastic box, the soundtrack only has 3 tracks and the box isn't embossed. There's a ton of fans moaning about this... I just think it's stupid. The big Daddy Figurine is worth it imo, plus as long as the game's in it, does it really matter? However, I've heard that outside America, the CE has a steel book case, so we'll be getting it, and it's all good. ^^

Yep, at worst we'll all bitch and moan about them falsely selling the item as it says on the website, it just better not come all bashed up. . . *prays*

[Columnar]

Does anyone know if Bioshock on 360 will be region free? The parental unit is going to NY at the end of the month and I've asked them to try and get it for me. Is this a good idea?

[BeerMonkey]

i got it preordered in game so double points :) 5 days till bioshock!!!

[Gizmo]

I just saw a picture of the Big Daddy figurine and I almost regretted buying the regular edition from Play with the faceplate - that faceplate better be damn cool! :D

I wonder how much those figurines will go for on eBay...

[Hero-of-Time]

I just saw a picture of the Big Daddy figurine and I almost regretted buying the regular edition from Play with the faceplate - that faceplate better be damn cool! :D

I wonder how much those figurines will go for on eBay...

Kotaku were reporting the other day that the faceplates are hot property at the moment so you will no doubt get more for that than you would for the figure.

[Gizmo]

You mean this (http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/08/17/rare-bioshock-faceplates-bring-in-a-high-price-on-ebay)?

I don't think thats the same faceplate as the one packaged in with Play.

Infact, nope, they aren't :(

http://media.arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.media/faceplate.jpg http://images.play.com/banners/931521l.jpg

The one which is selling well is the left, mine is the right :shakehead

And I prefer my one, by the way :D

[KKOB]

You mean this (http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/08/17/rare-bioshock-faceplates-bring-in-a-high-price-on-ebay)?

I don't think thats the same faceplate as the one packaged in with Play.

Infact, nope, they aren't :(

http://media.arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.media/faceplate.jpg http://images.play.com/banners/931521l.jpg

The one which is selling well is the left, mine is the right :shakehead

I prefer the one on the right, i'll be looking to pick one up somehow come september.

Anyone else down for the limited edition at gameplay? They've just dropped the price by a tenner to £39.99, this better be reflected on my bank statement bitches!!!

edit:Lies! i think i was looking at the PC special ed. Where has the 360 Limited Edition gone from Gameplays site? *worried face*

[Chuck]

TBH £50 or under isnt bad for:

* Bioshock Limited Edition Faceplate numbered #**** out of 5100
* Bioshock Lanyard (green with white lettering)
* Promotional Bioshock Box
* Promotional Bioshock "Welcome to Rapture" Foldout


especially compared to what the E3 gears of war faceplates were going for

[Bluejay]

Shopto is excellent. Good prices, fast delivery.

Everytime I have used them I have got the game the next day after ordering.

I have not, however pre-ordered with them before, but I imagine, at the very worst, you would get the game on release day.

[Slaggis]

this (http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/08/17/rare-bioshock-faceplates-bring-in-a-high-price-on-ebay)?



http://media.arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.media/faceplate.jpg http://images.play.com/banners/931521l.jpg


The right one is MUCH nicer.

[Stefkov]

I caved and preordered the steel case from Gameplay. Didn't really want it but I guess it'll do.
Now my credit will go to other games.

[That Guy]

I prefer the one on the right, i'll be looking to pick one up somehow come september.

Anyone else down for the limited edition at gameplay? They've just dropped the price by a tenner to £39.99, this better be reflected on my bank statement bitches!!!

edit:Lies! i think i was looking at the PC special ed. Where has the 360 Limited Edition gone from Gameplays site? *worried face*

Yeah I noticed when looking at my order. I'd guess it's either out of stock if it's really limited, or just a mistake.

[KKOB]

Yeah I noticed when looking at my order. I'd guess it's either out of stock if it's really limited, or just a mistake.

Limited, since the companies selling this edition have stopped preorders in the past couple of days. I should imagine it's just a result of having the number of preorders meet the number of the LEs they're getting.

[Chuck]

It seems my pre-order for Special Edition for the 360 is still going through even though it has been de listed. Is everything still a-ok?

[KKOB]

It seems my pre-order for Special Edition for the 360 is still going through even though it has been de listed. Is everything still a-ok?

We're all in the same boat so i assume so, yes.

Find out thursday if no ones got a Limited Edition won't we?

[Chuck]

It seems my pre-order for Special Edition for the 360 is still going through even though it has been de listed. Is everything still a-ok?

ah, I didnt read the above posts. Your already talking about it:smile:

[Domstercool]

My Limited Edition at GAME is still going through, so all is good for me. 44.99 too(Gotta love that 5 pound off code, preorder loads of games using that before it ran out), me happy ^_^

[Stefkov]

GAME have per-orders for the box one with the big dady figurine up...is that right. It's the same price as the Steel case. Before i cancel my gameplay pre-order can anyone tell me its still there.

Ah, why do I notice it after. It's for the pc :(

[Zelda_Rulez]

After all the good reviews and impressions for this game I caved in and pre-ordered it as well. I'm getting the PC version,because it should run fairly well on my PC.

[CoolFunkMan]

Anyone's LE order of Bioshock been processed at gameplay.co.uk? Mine still says "ordered", and I've heard some people's orders have been processed. I hope mine will processed, as I only have 12 quid in the bank. Although I do have a 100 pound overdraft agreement, so it should all be ok... right? :confused:

[Nintenchris]

Anyone's LE order of Bioshock been processed at gameplay.co.uk? Mine still says "ordered", and I've heard some people's orders have been processed. I hope mine will processed, as I only have 12 quid in the bank. Although I do have a 100 pound overdraft agreement, so it should all be ok... right? :confused:

Yeah you should be fine if you have a 100 overdraft

oh and if anyones telling you there copy of Bioshock is being sent out from gameplay any earlyer than wednesday... there telling you lies i tell ya

[hobbzinio]

Just phoned up my local dodgy game shop and they will have this game for sale first thing on Wednesday morning. So I will be picking it up 2 days early :D

[KKOB]

Anyone's LE order of Bioshock been processed at gameplay.co.uk? Mine still says "ordered", and I've heard some people's orders have been processed. I hope mine will processed, as I only have 12 quid in the bank. Although I do have a 100 pound overdraft agreement, so it should all be ok... right? :confused:

Mines stil ordered, but now it it has a - instead of a actually despatch date, despite yesterday it saying 22-23/08/07.

FREAKY

I hope i get the LE else i'll be seriously pissed.

[Stefkov]

When y'all say LE you mean the one with the Big Daddy Figurine? It's getting confusing with all of them.

My order is still ordered at gameplay also. I always get the email it's been sent after I recieve the game anyway so I'm not doubting I won't get it.

Cancelled that. Got me a pre-order on the one with the figurine at game.co.uk. Hopefully I got one.

[CoolFunkMan]

Mines stil ordered, but now it it has a - instead of a actually despatch date, despite yesterday it saying 22-23/08/07.

FREAKY

I hope i get the LE else i'll be seriously pissed.

Yeah, I've got the same too, it's worrying isn't it? I think I'll give gameplay a call tomorrow morning, just to be sure my order's definitely placed. Mind you, they still have it up for sale, and surely they have their stock in by now...

I'll be really pissed off if I don't get the LE too, I've waited 3 years for this game!! :(

[KKOB]

Yet game still have the 360 Limited Edition up on their website.

SOOOO PARANOID!!! *plays ozzy osbourne*

[Colin]

Currently downloading PC demo. If it runs all good then I'll be putting an order in for the PC version before Friday.

[Caris]

Where from!?

[Colin]

http://www.3ddownloads.com/RPG/Bioshock/Demos/BioShockPCDemo.zip

http://www.worthdownloading.com/game.php?gid=2188

I think Fileplanet had it exclusive, but everywhere else seems to have it now. Those links have just gone up within the last hr, so speeds may be sluggish. It's also on a few torrent sites as well, but from what I was getting there, speeds are even more slower.

Hope that helps mate. :smile:

[Stefkov]

The second one has started to donwload for me. First one estimated 12 minutes wait.

[Kirbii]

Where from!?

shut up...
joking

[Caris]

What the hell?

[Hero-of-Time]

I see the GAMESPOT has done a Twilight Princess and awarded Bioshock with a score of 9.0, the fans aint happy :)

[Bluejay]

I see the GAMESPOT has done a Twilight Princess and awarded Bioshock with a score of 9.0, the fans aint happy :)

I can already hear the nerds crying:

"But the Gamerankings average NOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

shut up...

Also, what

Somebody wants to visit another castle?

[Nintenchris]

I see the GAMESPOT has done a Twilight Princess and awarded Bioshock with a score of 9.0, the fans aint happy :)

I said it once and i will say it again... Gamespot just do it for attention most of the time... but i couldnt careless what scores any games get.

WTF my order has changed
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/3038/untitledkg5.jpg
Gameplay must be sending them out early! thats a first for them!

[CoolFunkMan]

I got the same for my order of Bioshock, wooooooot!!!! :D *dances*