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flameboy

14-06-2007, 09:09 AM

Well fixture lists have been released seemed the perfect time to start this.

Here's the opening day fixtures in the worlds greatest league:

Opening Day: 11 August.
Arsenal v Fulham
Aston Villa v Liverpool
Bolton v Newcastle
Chelsea v Birmingham
Derby v Portsmouth
Everton v Wigan
Man Utd v Reading
Middlesbrough v Blackburn
Sunderland v Tottenham
West Ham v Man City

highlights in bold :heh:

full list can be found;

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=471282&CPID=8&clid=3&lid=2&title=Premier+League+fixtures&channel=football_home&

with links for each club!

Championship Fixtures:
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=471307&CPID=10&clid=37&lid=2&title=Championship+fixtures&channel=football_home&

League One Fixtures:

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=471326&CPID=11&clid=91&lid=2&title=League+One+fixtures&channel=football_home&

Leeds start life in footballs third tier across the pennines against Tranmere!

League Two Fixtures:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_3/fixtures/default.stm

SPL Fixtures:
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=471683&CPID=14&clid=60&lid=1490&title=SPL+fixtures+unveiled

Gretna get SPL life started against Falkirk

mike-zim

14-06-2007, 09:10 AM

i can't believe you were the first one in

BlueStar

14-06-2007, 09:11 AM

Careful pasting fixture lists, a newcastle board I post on got royally screwed and shut down for a while because of members posting them because they're copyright and the Premier League were on the warpath.

conzer16

14-06-2007, 09:12 AM

Kudos for the League One fixtures... ;)
:heh:

:blush:

Edit: Nice to see Big Sam is heading back to Bolton on the first day :p

flameboy

14-06-2007, 09:14 AM

i can't believe you were the first one in

How'd you mean...

Careful pasting fixture lists, a newcastle board I post on got royally screwed and shut down for a while because of members posting them because they're copyright and the Premier League were on the warpath.

Sure they won't be looking as far flung as a Nintendo fans site!

Fresh

14-06-2007, 09:15 AM

Bolton v Newcastle..... owch.

Ant-Shimmin

14-06-2007, 09:37 AM

Liverpool face

Sat Mar 22 Manchester United (away)
Sat Mar 29 Everton (home)
Sat Apr 5 Arsenal (away)

All within that time, Jaysus

mike-zim

14-06-2007, 09:38 AM

Sorry i mean that people on the 06/07 thread were saying they all wanted to start the 07/08 thread and you got in there. Basically well done.

BlueStar

14-06-2007, 10:18 AM

Our January (and the last game of december) is utterly rotten. Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal, all away, all within on month, plus Bolton and Everton at home.

Dog-amoto

14-06-2007, 10:46 AM

Couldn't have wished for a better opening fixture! Was just talking about how I hoped it would be Newcastle at home on the first day.

Let's hope we can welcome Big Sam back with a good hiding!!

Fields

14-06-2007, 10:46 AM

Bastard, I knew I should have got up earlier :mad:

BlueStar

14-06-2007, 10:50 AM

flameboy

14-06-2007, 10:53 AM

Looks like Ben Haim is going to join Steve Sidwell on the bench at Chelsea. Says it's not for money, but for footballing reasons due to the draw of the champions league. Sorry like, but I doubt he's gonna be starting many champions league games unless there's serious injury problems involving Terry, Carvalho and (potentially) Alex.

yeah he is gonna make a mistake. at least Sidwell will get some games during African Nations but that won't happen with Ben Haim.

EDIT:

Awful first weeks for pompey, play all of the top 4:

August
11 Derby (A)
14 Man Utd (H)
18 Bolton (H)
25 Chelsea (A)

September
1 Arsenal (A)
15 Liverpool (H)

But then again last season we drew twice with Arsenal, drew and beat Liverpool and beat Man Utd so we could pick up something especially from the home matches.

hobbzinio

14-06-2007, 11:02 AM

Pompey on there day, can beat anybody at Fratton Park

flameboy

14-06-2007, 11:04 AM

Pompey on there day, can beat anybody at Fratton Park

tis true...will be a sad day when we leave frogmore road...

Ramar

14-06-2007, 11:08 AM

Liverpool face

Sat Mar 22 Manchester United (away)
Sat Mar 29 Everton (home)
Sat Apr 5 Arsenal (away)

All within that time, Jaysus

That's pretty unlucky, I was going to whinge about Santa hating us, but you've trumped me.

Sat, 15th H Chelsea (PREM.)
Sat, 22nd H Tottenham (PREM.)
Wed, 26th A Portsmouth (PREM.)

Ant-Shimmin

14-06-2007, 11:12 AM

We play Pompey on my Birthday at Anfield

Huzzah!!!

conzer16

14-06-2007, 11:12 AM

Anyone recognise any of these teams :heh:

Sat Aug 11 Tranmere Rovers A
W/C Aug 13 Macclesfield A (Carling Cup 1)
Sat Aug 18 Southend United H
Sat Aug 25 Nottingham Forest A
Sat Sep 1 Luton Town H

Not too bad for the first few games for Leeds, including our first ever appearance in the first round of the Carling Cup :blush:

Funny how we're playing 2 of the others relegated with us in the first few weeks, including meeting our former manager at Luton. Tis strange how there is always a nice juicy fixture somewhere for someone! (á la Bolton/Newcastle!)

Also anyone recognise that name Nottingham Forest? Hell, tis a looooong time since I saw them play! Former European Champions! Twice I believe :p

'tis gonna be a strange season! I haven't a clue about any of the teams in League 1 except the ones we were relegated with!

Now where's that map of the UK...I think I know where Yeovil is, but where the bloody hell is Oldham??

Fields

14-06-2007, 11:15 AM

where the bloody hell is Oldham??
You serious?

Eddage

14-06-2007, 11:31 AM

I think I know where Yeovil is, but where the bloody hell is Oldham??

It may just be me being retarded by why don't those fixtures on the Sky Sports website have a Yeovil Town vs. Leeds United fixture at Huish Park (Yeovil's ground)? I've found the match at Elland Road which is on October 6th but there doesn't seem to be a return match?!

I would probably go see the game if I knew when it was!

Ant-Shimmin

14-06-2007, 11:34 AM

conzer16

14-06-2007, 11:59 AM

You serious?

I wouldn't be as well up on the geography of England as you would be Fields.

It may just be me being retarded by why don't those fixtures on the Sky Sports website have a Yeovil Town vs. Leeds United fixture at Huish Park (Yeovil's ground)? I've found the match at Elland Road which is on October 6th but there doesn't seem to be a return match?!

I would probably go see the game if I knew when it was!

According to www.leedsunited.com it's on Saturday April 26th :)

Tranmere Rovers, Jesus thats when you know you've hit rock bottom

Ya don't need to tell me :cry:

But we'll be back. Mark my words, we'll be back!

Fields

14-06-2007, 12:17 PM

I wouldn't be as well up on the geography of England as you would be Fields.

I'm pretty well up on the geography of Ireland.

Platty

14-06-2007, 12:24 PM

Man United have an alright fixture list for once!

But of course that usually changes due to cup competitions etc.

Im very much looking forward to: Sat, 1st H Sunderland :D

Fergie vs Keano

hobbzinio

14-06-2007, 12:28 PM

So what are your predictions for the top 4 and the bottom 4?

Here's Mine -

United
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal

Reading
R-Fulham
R-Wigan
R-Derby

conzer16

14-06-2007, 12:30 PM

I'm pretty well up on the geography of Ireland.

Fair Play to ya.

Fields

14-06-2007, 12:33 PM

So what are your predictions for the top 4 and the bottom 4?

Well I posted this ages ago in the 06/07 thread. Didn't really give it much thought, might post a new one later:

1. Liverpool
2. Mancs
3. Chavs
4. Arse
5. Spurs
6. Bitters
7. Pompey
8. Blackburn
9. Villa
10. Barcodes
11. Bolton
12. Reading
13. Sunderland
14. City
15. Boro
16. Hammers
17. Birmingham
18. Fulham
19. Wigan
20. Derby

hobbzinio

14-06-2007, 01:03 PM

Wow alot of Liverpool Fans sure seem to be confident, that they will win the title this year.

conzer16

14-06-2007, 01:09 PM

Wow alot of Liverpool Fans sure seem to be confident, that they will win the title this year.

Number 26 ;)

1) Thierry Henry is off to Barcelona.

2) You keep checking the internet to see if you've signed someone. You just did it now.

3) And again.

4) The Gossip column is twice as long as normal.

5) Thierry Henry is off to Real Madrid now.

6) Man Utd release a new kit.

7) Football pundits find themselves shoehorned into covering other sports.

8) As do football journalists. Quick, look busy.

9) Someone English is cheered all the way to the fourth round of Wimbledon from Henman Hill or Murray Mount or somewhere.

10) Actually, Andrew Murray's Scottish, isn't he? Let's not cheer for him.

11) Sue Barker sits there and tells you it's a "Great British summer of sport".

12) You end up knowing the names of half the footballers' agents in the Premier League.

13) Old pros are forced to play football as satellite TV desperately scrabbles around for material.

14) Spurs target a top-four finish.

15) Your skin has gone a funny lobster colour and hurts.

16) Golf seems interesting.

17) Everyone gets excited waiting for the fixture list. Ooh, we play every team twice! Once home and once away! I can't wait!

18) You actually start to miss Alan Hansen.

19) Cricket is the new football. So we're told.

20) You try to convince yourself that the awful player linked with your club has just been misunderstood in the past.

21) And as for those players you've never heard of, well, best check their stats on Football Manager. That'll work.

22) You start to fancy Clare Balding.

23) Sky Sports News is even duller than normal.

24) Fernando Torres is linked with a move to the Premiership. (Note: In previous years, this role was regularly filled by Benni McCarthy).

25) You tell yourself staying up all night to watch the Copa America and MLS is normal.

26) It's Liverpool's year.

27) You suddenly realise you've got a wife and kids and that you haven't spoken to them for nine months. And they hate you.

28) You contemplate seeing if you can find your old Subbuteo set in the loft.

29) You persuade your family this year's holiday should be in Norway just so you can watch live football. Brann are top, you know, and Odd Grenland have only won once. Fascinating.

30) You persuade yourself the Intertoto Cup is really great.

31) You start craving cold lager at 10am every day.

32) You get so desperate that you start watching Eurosport 2 in the hope some football comes on.

33) You find yourself travelling 100 miles on a bus to watch the youth team's reserves playing a pre-season friendly.

34) You realise it's 3pm on a Saturday afternoon and you're holding your missus' bags in Top Shop. And even though she's trying to talk to you, all you're thinking is 'Ooh, I remember when Top Man used to sponsor Leeds'.

35) You love being top four or hate being in the relegation zone. Even though the league is entirely alphabetical.

36) You breathe a sigh of relief when you realise pre-season friendlies start in the first week of July. Because watching your out-of-shape side play Stevenage is just great, isn't it?

37) Newcastle sign 15 players. Only one of them is a defender.

38) You start to work out how many players it would take for your side to break into the Big Four. Then you think how great it would be if you somehow won your first ten games and managed to stay ahead of the rest and be in with a shout of the league.

39) You convince yourself it's worth sticking a quid on it at 2500/1 odds. 50p, at least.

40) You put the other 50p on Man Utd getting relegated at 7500/1. Anything's possible, right?

kav82

14-06-2007, 01:15 PM

Chelsea
United
Liverpool
Tottenham
...
Wigan
Fulham
Derby

Ant-Shimmin

14-06-2007, 01:30 PM

I find it quite stupid that you have fans thinking were crazy to think that we might win the league.

I think it would be quite stupid to say that we can't..

Noodleman

14-06-2007, 01:31 PM

away to Sheffield United :( Oh well at least they have robbo in charge now so we have a chance.

mike-zim

14-06-2007, 01:32 PM

Liverpool
Chelsea
Man U
Totenham
...............
Sunderland
Fulham
Derby

BlueStar

14-06-2007, 01:45 PM

Here's a website campaigning to allow fans to share fixture lists freely without having to pay £300 for the rights or face legal action
http://www.freethefixtures.com/

Happenstance

14-06-2007, 01:47 PM

The stupid thing is that we Liverpool fans are usually right, it should be our year after the strong finishes we tend to have in the Premiership (although this year was a weird one with all the weak teams we put out.

Its just that we tend to get such crappy starts to seasons and every year we figure it will be different. I mean considering how bad the start to the season was last year we still did well so if we can be more consistant throughout we'll be right up there.

immy

14-06-2007, 03:29 PM

Have liverpool even brought anyone this year?

Fields

14-06-2007, 03:32 PM

Have liverpool even brought anyone this year?
Voronin, Leto, Lucas, a couple of Hungarian kids plus some more that I may have forgotten about.

Ramar

14-06-2007, 03:32 PM

I can't believe people think the spuds will finish above us. That is rofl worthy in itself.

mike-zim

14-06-2007, 03:42 PM

We will see. i think arsenal are in the decline. If totenham can keep their players together and add to it then i think they could do it.

Ant-Shimmin

14-06-2007, 03:46 PM

No One to write home about we've been too busy planning a super-collosal stadium

:awesome:

Spanish Season isn't over yet, let the dust settle there and you will see a few signings.

Torres is more likely then Eto'o IMO

I think it's abit hard to predict leagues at the moment because the transfer window has just opened...

Fierce_LiNk

14-06-2007, 04:29 PM

I can't believe people think the spuds will finish above us. That is rofl worthy in itself.

Laugh all you want, but I think Spurs finishing above Arsenal is a hell of a lot more likely than Liverpool winning the league.

Ant-Shimmin

14-06-2007, 04:30 PM

I just don't get why people ae discounting Liverpool before the season starts, before the transfer window opens, and just a few hours after the fixtures are announced.

gmac

14-06-2007, 06:11 PM

I'll wait to see who Liverpool sign before writing them off, but imho it'll probably be Chelsea and Man Utd slugging it out again at the top

kyletherobot

14-06-2007, 07:10 PM

listening to the england u21 game against italy in the european championships.
england have just gone 1-0 up :)
nugent scored.

edit: haaa. 2-0. lita this time.

edit no 2: haaa. 2-1. some italian guy scored.

Fierce_LiNk

14-06-2007, 07:21 PM

I just don't get why people ae discounting Liverpool before the season starts, before the transfer window opens, and just a few hours after the fixtures are announced.

When I look at the Liverpool squad, I see signs of quality with the likes of Gerrard, Carragher, Mascherano, but I don't see enough depth. I think one think you are lacking is a good winger, and somebody who can put the ball into the box. With a striker built like Crouch, this is one area where you are missing a trick. Put balls into the box and the goals will come.

Looking at your squad, I think maybe the squad does rely too heavily on Gerrard and Carragher. They're the heart of the team. I just want to see other players step their game up when Gerrard isn't playing too well, and I don't think we see enough of that.

Another thing, consistency. If Liverpool played like every game was a Cup Final, you'd have the treble. Thing is, occassionally you'll give an amazing performance, and then next week you'll fall to pieces. It's a case of "which Liverpool team will we get this week?"

Noodleman

14-06-2007, 07:23 PM

look there's another 2 months before the season starts lets see who clubs buy before even bothering to make predictions.

Ant-Shimmin

14-06-2007, 07:27 PM

When I look at the Liverpool squad, I see signs of quality with the likes of Gerrard, Carragher, Mascherano, but I don't see enough depth. I think one think you are lacking is a good winger, and somebody who can put the ball into the box. With a striker built like Crouch, this is one area where you are missing a trick. Put balls into the box and the goals will come.

Looking at your squad, I think maybe the squad does rely too heavily on Gerrard and Carragher. They're the heart of the team. I just want to see other players step their game up when Gerrard isn't playing too well, and I don't think we see enough of that.

Another thing, consistency. If Liverpool played like every game was a Cup Final, you'd have the treble. Thing is, occassionally you'll give an amazing performance, and then next week you'll fall to pieces. It's a case of "which Liverpool team will we get this week?"

I said it in another thread Benitez has his core...

Reina

Finnan Agger Carra Riise

Gerrard Alonso Mascherano ??????

???? ?????

Fill in all those blanks, you got a title winning squad....

hobbzinio

14-06-2007, 07:27 PM

Liverpool dont have a chance in hell of winning the league, unless they sign a top quality striker, at least 1 pacy winger (you lack this completely) and a left back. Im sorry, but Riise has been ass defensively this season, good player - not a great defender.

The moment I see some ambition in the transfer market, maybe my views will change

Fierce_LiNk

14-06-2007, 07:29 PM

I said it in another thread Benitez has his core...

Reina

Finnan Agger Carra Riise

Gerrard Alonso Mascherano ??????

???? ?????

Fill in all those blanks, you got a title winning squad....

If you don't mind me saying so, those are some pretty big damn blanks to fill. :heh:

I think you'll definitely improve next season, and the gap between 1st and 3rd/4th will not be anywhere near as big. But, I still can't see Liverpool claiming it.

Excelle

14-06-2007, 07:31 PM

I'm hoping the Villa will finish closer to the top 6 this season. O'Neill has now had his bedding-in season as we started to see the fruits of his labours towards the end of the season. Hopefully with some good buys, we can start climbing that table towards Europe.

Liverpool at home first game of the season - I'll be there!

Up The Villa!

Ant-Shimmin

14-06-2007, 07:31 PM

I agree Riise is subject to criticism, but let's reserve judgement till August when Rafa has his signings made.

I will say however I do feel we won't see a major overhall till next season when Foster Gillete takes over from Rick Parry...

hobbzinio

14-06-2007, 07:36 PM

I'm bored of the two horse title races that the Premiership has seen for a decade or so. I would like to see Liverpool challenging, I would love to see Arsenal's Young guns being the suprise package and Spurs up there too - Obviously, as long as we win it still :D

My point is, it would be classy if the Premiership did a La Liga as far as the race for the title was concerned and had more then 2 teams challenging. Then there really would be no arguments to it being the best league in the world.

I dont trust Benitez, He is an awesome manager no doubt and in europe knows his tactics perfectly. However, im not convinced with his signings since he has been with you - for every decent player, theres been a complete shocker.

Whether he can bring in "top class" talent is very much up for debate and that is regardless of the size of his budget.

Happenstance

14-06-2007, 07:38 PM

Benitez has signed some crap players, but I do give him a bit of credit with that in the fact that they dont last long if they arent up to par. Kronkamp being my favourite, gone within a few months.

hobbzinio

14-06-2007, 07:40 PM

Zenden found a place in the team every week ^

Happenstance

14-06-2007, 07:46 PM

As I said, "I do give him a bit of credit".

That doesnt mean hes automatically forgiven for buying and playing crap players like Zenden.

Goron_3

14-06-2007, 07:48 PM

L'pool won't win the league next season. Sorry, but it won't happen. I reckon it's going to be United again tbh; they are just gonna get stronger.

hobbzinio

14-06-2007, 07:59 PM

Rafa Signings -

Good:
XABI ALONSO - Good, but overrated
PEPE REINA - Solid, will only ever be world class on pens
PETER CROUCH - Good Squad Player
DANIEL AGGER - Potential
Mascerano - Great Signing

On The Fence:
Pennant - Squad player, but not the signing of a "title contender"
MOMO SISSOKO - Solid, But does he have a future there?
Kuyt - Needs a goal machine as a partner, Or he's sorta useless. I still laugh at when 89% of liverpool fans were calling him the "Next Ruud"
LUIS GARCIA - Justified in Europe, but too injury prone
SCOTT CARSON - Why is he on loan? You're lot retarded?

The Crap:
JOSEMI - Utter Shit
PAUL ANDERSON - Who?
CRAIG BELLAMY - Very Questionable
FERNANDO MORIENTES - Flop
BOUDEWIJN ZENDEN - Utter Shit
ANTONIO NUNEZ - Utter Shit
AURELIO - Shit
JAN KROMKAMP - Utter Shit
ANTONIO BARRAGAN - Utter shit, who was sold quicker then Linford Christie
JACK HOBBS - Reserve Bound For Life
DAVID MARTIN - Never going to be used.
MARK GONZALEZ - Utter Shit
ROBBIE FOWLER - Was always passed it.
GABRIEL PALETTA - Utter Shit

Says it all really...

Babooo

14-06-2007, 07:59 PM

Max

14-06-2007, 08:01 PM

united to sign Quagulaire (sp?) for around 8-10 million? amaizing talent, pitty rossi wont get more chances next year either.

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_2360348,00.html

PS, iv been hearing liverpool fan say "watch us next season" for the past 11 season (since FA cup loss to united). all we seen was them fail mysrably(sp?). you cant win with players like arrullio, crouch (i thing hes as shit as it gets), bellamy, kout (hard work alone gets you no where), fowler (was good 7 years ago), pennant (not good enough for top flight), xabi alonso (excellent passer and hard worker but nothing That special), luis garcier (versitile player but so is K. richardson), Gonzales (no results found), zenden (was good in 2002), sissoko (great tackler and dedicated hard worker, admire his determination, love to laf at his passing).

PSS, you also need 2 seasons before team gels together and play good, look at united for past 3 season. arsenal are going through that stage now.

ill be waiting till 2010 before you can fight for title unless you do a chelsea and grab eto, torres, silva, kaka and robben then thats ok.

PSSS, you also lack a playmeker, gerrard cant do everything!

edit: hobbzinio beat me in analysing liverpool. also, remember houlier signings? hahaha.

Noodleman

14-06-2007, 08:14 PM

Rafa Signings -

The Crap:
JOSEMI - Utter Shit
PAUL ANDERSON - Who?
CRAIG BELLAMY - Very Questionable
FERNANDO MORIENTES - Flop
BOUDEWIJN ZENDEN - Utter Shit
ANTONIO NUNEZ - Utter Shit
AURELIO - Shit
JAN KROMKAMP - Utter Shit
ANTONIO BARRAGAN - Utter shit, who was sold quicker then Linford Christie
JACK HOBBS - Reserve Bound For Life
DAVID MARTIN - Never going to be used.
MARK GONZALEZ - Utter Shit
ROBBIE FOWLER - Was always passed it.
GABRIEL PALETTA - Utter Shit

Says it all really...

I love the fact you have clased 5 under 19s as shit because they didnt break into the first team straight away. Barragan is actualy pretty decent and Liverpool can buy him back from Deportivo at any time for the fee they got for him, so its a loan deal basicaly. Also labeling Aurelio as shit in his first season in the premiership when he was injured for more than half of it :D

FOREIGN PLAYER TAKING TIME TO SETTLE INTO THE PREMIERSHIP SHOCKER

I take it if Nani is not as good as Ronaldo within his first 5 games you will be labeling him as Utter shit.

Another thing to point out Bellamy aside none of those players cost more than a ocuple of million I.e they;re squad players/ youth teamers.

hobbzinio

14-06-2007, 08:32 PM

Nope, I will be patient and wait for Nani to progress through out this season... If things dont happen instantly, then thats the way it is. But i know he has the potential to become awesome. TBH, i still think Giggs should get on the teamsheet before Nani - we need to bring him in gradually, like we did with Ronaldo.

Aurelio on the otherhand has fuck all potential and is a waster

Noodleman

14-06-2007, 08:46 PM

Darren Bent has turned down a move to West Ham United, Charlton confirmed on Thursday night.

The two clubs had agreed a fee for the 23-year-old England international, who has top scored for Charlton for the past two Premiership campaigns.

But after negotiations with the Hammers, the striker has rejected a switch to Upton Park and the chance to be reunited with the man who brought him to The Valley in August 2004, current Hammers boss Alan Curbishley.
Charlton chief executive Peter Varney said: "We set a valuation for Darren and West Ham were the only club prepared to meet that valuation.

"This morning we gave them permission to speak to Darren, which he did, and he has decided not to join West Ham.

"We therefore look forward to Darren starting with us in the Championship next season, which is a massive boost to our chance of returning to the Premier League.”

Bit of a shock that one. Still think he'll be off before the end of the summer despite what Charlton say.

Babooo

14-06-2007, 08:51 PM

Yeh I wouldn't be surprised if Bent does leave but for around the £17 million mark? I think that is far too much.

Actually.....he is English so I guess thats about right ;)

Max

14-06-2007, 08:52 PM

i think bent will go to liverpool, then they can win the league :p
his price range is stupidly high, around 17million, proving my point about over priced british player. I hate reality!

Noodleman

14-06-2007, 08:57 PM

Tbf Charlton want 17 million because 25% of any fee goes to Ipswich. Which means they value him at about 12 million which is about right given the ammount of goals hes scored for them and his age.

Babooo

14-06-2007, 09:01 PM

PSS, you also need 2 seasons before team gels together and play good, look at united for past 3 season. arsenal are going through that stage now.

Agreed. Us gooners are going through this patch where players need to gel together. We've had great teams in the past years and as our team has changed so much over the years through players leaving and new ones coming in, its natural for a team to take time to develop.

Tbf Charlton want 17 million because 25% of any fee goes to Ipswich. Which means they value him at about 12 million which is about right given the ammount of goals hes scored for them and his age.

ohhh yea!!! Forgot about that...

kyletherobot

14-06-2007, 09:02 PM

darren bent should stay at charlton.
they are clearly coming straight back up and he would score a million goals which would be amazing for his confidence.
nobody should buy him for £17 million.

hobbzinio

14-06-2007, 09:05 PM

Spurs would be fools to spend all that on Bent when Defoe is every bit as good, if not better.

You put Defoe at a club like Charlton, where the club relies on his goal's and he starts every fixture - his goal record would be just as good...

Martin Jol is getting a bit too greedy by the looks of it.

Babooo

14-06-2007, 09:07 PM

Fierce_LiNk

14-06-2007, 09:11 PM

Thing is, it's not just about strikers, but about service. There's no point having a 20/30 goal a season strikers in a team where he won't get the ball.

Fields

14-06-2007, 11:12 PM

JOSEMI - Utter Shit
PAUL ANDERSON - Who?
CRAIG BELLAMY - Very Questionable
FERNANDO MORIENTES - Flop
BOUDEWIJN ZENDEN - Utter Shit
ANTONIO NUNEZ - Utter Shit
AURELIO - Shit
JAN KROMKAMP - Utter Shit
ANTONIO BARRAGAN - Utter shit, who was sold quicker then Linford Christie
JACK HOBBS - Reserve Bound For Life
DAVID MARTIN - Never going to be used.
MARK GONZALEZ - Utter Shit
ROBBIE FOWLER - Was always passed it.
GABRIEL PALETTA - Utter Shit

I think you're probably the biggest wanker I've ever come across.

hobbzinio

14-06-2007, 11:17 PM

I think you're probably the biggest wanker I've ever come across.

It's cool, I know the truth hurts you.

Fields

14-06-2007, 11:21 PM

Seriously now, how many times did you see the 'utter shit' Barragan play?

Ramar

15-06-2007, 06:20 AM

Martin Jol is getting a bit too greedy by the looks of it.

The owner of his local pie shop said the same thing.

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 08:18 AM

in the world.

I dont trust Benitez, He is an awesome manager no doubt and in europe knows his tactics perfectly. However, im not convinced with his signings since he has been with you - for every decent player, theres been a complete shocker.

Whether he can bring in "top class" talent is very much up for debate and that is regardless of the size of his budget.

How can you not trust a manger who got a totally mediocre side to the Champions League Final in a team he inherited.

Benitez hasn't had money coming out of his arsehole unlike your Fergies and Mourinho, the fact is Benitez has done a hell of a job with the money provided.

It took Fergie years to get his team together on a limited amount of money, Benitez needs time and he needs money. He has time and he will now have the money. Reserve judgement until then.

Benitez will win Liverpool the league within the next few seasons, as I said in a previous post until Rick Parry goes the club will never ever take that major step forward.

Also you are clueless as to the reasoning behind the players signings, examples

AURELIO - Shit?, He wasn't shit he was settling into the English game and got injured during the time when he was playing the best football

JAN KROMKAMP - Far from, bought as a squad player couldn't settle in, not because he was shit, he just didn't like it.

ANTONIO BARRAGAN - Utter shit? You have never seen him play
JACK HOBBS - Bought for the future
DAVID MARTIN - Never going to be used, I like how you can predict the future, how do you do that?
MARK GONZALEZ - Out for at least 2/3's of the season, Never got off on the right foot
ROBBIE FOWLER - Was bought because we had a striker crisis and he solved it
GABRIEL PALETTA - No he isn't utter shit he has been good when he has played

Benitez has done ALOT on a limited budget and will win us the league when the money roles in.

Anyway let us not forget the players you call utter shit have made the Champions League Final 2 times in 3 years.

Seriously now, how many times did you see the 'utter shit' Barragan play?

He played for Liverpool isn't that enough for you:bouncy:

Anyway we have apparently upped our interest on Darren Bent according to the mirror...

Bent and Benayoun by Monday?????

flameboy

15-06-2007, 08:43 AM

Well a few different and random observations about next season from me:

Think Pompey missed a massive chance to get into Europe this season. I think we will still be top half but not as close to Europe as last time, next season I feel with all the money that's flying around etc... there will be other clubs up and around there that weren't there last season like Aston Villa and Newcastle.

I'm not sure about West Ham, they have this Baby Bentley generation of players and surely they are only fuelling this further by offering players ridiculous wages that are over inflated. I mean is Darren Bent a twice capped player really worth 17 million and 75,000 a week? That makes him worth more than soooo many strikers with far more experience and far more goals than him (Ipswich would have been happy they get nearly 3 mill out of it.) It just shows the over inflated prices of English youngsters....

Here are my predictions for top 4 and relegated teams:

Top 4:

Man Utd
Chelsea
Liverpool
Tottenham

Bottom 3:
Derby
Fulham
Wigan

Think spurs will hit top 4, they've got a young side and Martin Jol is a great manager. I think Henry will finally leave Arsenal realising that he can't help take these youngsters any further, think Wenger will be gone at end of season. Think Man Utd will dominate league again, they have signed quality, chuck in maybe a new striker and they are there. Don't Liverpool will win the title quite yet, but these things take time and I have no doubt they will get there in the next few years...

As for bottom 3, I think Wigan will struggle real bad, fulham are surely due to take the drop after years of underspending and overselling and I think Derby will give it a really good go but ultimately struggle.

Babooo

15-06-2007, 08:53 AM

Looks as if Henry is leaving....:cry: :cry: :weep: :weep: :weep:

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 08:58 AM

Source? I would check SSN but damn Virgin Media :P

Babooo

15-06-2007, 09:01 AM

Source? I would check SSN but damn Virgin Media :P

Nuthin concrete yet mate but it looks as if he is leaving. :weep:

Here's a reliable source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premiership/arsenal/article1934934.ece

Happenstance

15-06-2007, 09:04 AM

I notice all the speculation around where Owen is going has died down. Wonder if that means hes staying at Newcastle or teams are just focussing on better players.

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 09:04 AM

Arsenal need to get a proven Premiership Goal Scorer instead of Eto'o.

I notice all the speculation around where Owen is going has died down. Wonder if that means hes staying at Newcastle or teams are just focussing on better players.

Maybe Newcastle, Owen and the other club involved if he is indeed leaving are keeping tight lipped over it all.

Can't see him being their next season.

Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal will get him, More than likely the later two...

mike-zim

15-06-2007, 10:42 AM

Owen will never go to United. i wouldn't mind seeing him come back to liverpool as we have a better side now than we ever have since he has been playing.

could see him as our 20 goal a season striker tbh.

BlueStar

15-06-2007, 10:49 AM

Some premiership odds from Paddypower

Title odds
11/8 Chelsea
6/4 Man Utd
11/2 Liverpool
13/2 Arsenal
80/1 Spurs
200/1 Newcastle
500/1 Bolton
500/1 West Ham

Relegation odds
1/2 Derby
11/10 Birmingham
5/4 Wigan
13/8 Fulham
3/1 Sunderland
7/2 Man City
4/1 Reading
5/1 Middlesbrough
7/1 Bolton

Top Premiership goalscorer
4/1 Henry
9/2 Drogba
10/1 Rooney
12/1 Ronaldo
14/1 Shevchenko
14/1 Berbatov
16/1 Owen

Platty

15-06-2007, 12:33 PM

New rumour today:

Fergie puts bid in for Gudjohnsen in a swap deal with Pique.

Wouldn't mind Gudjohnsen as I do rate him but I would still prefer Hunterlaar!!

hobbzinio

15-06-2007, 02:05 PM

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 02:48 PM

and rofl at ant defending SHITE liverpool players, ur deluded buddie. If you were a Man United fan you would be calling djemba djemba good

If I was a Man United fan I would be going the fucking games mate and actually supporting the team.

Fuck off

Fields

15-06-2007, 02:54 PM

To be fair, most of Rafa's 'shite' signings such as Josemi, Nunez, Kromkamp, Pellegrino, and Morientes (who was hardly shite, just a little underwhelming) were all shipped out pretty quickly. The likes of Fowler and Zenden may have failed to perform, but the experience of players such as those two counts for a lot off the pitch. Overall, I think Rafa's performance in the transfer market has been highly impressive.

mike-zim

15-06-2007, 02:57 PM

I hope not ^ Gudjohnsen is good, but he's not the sorta player we should be aiming to sign for the long term.

and rofl at ant defending SHITE liverpool players, ur deluded buddie. If you were a Man United fan you would be calling djemba djemba good

no it is like calling o'shea, fletcher, carrick and heize good. they are complete shit. wouldn't even make it into the liverpool squad let alone the starting 11.

It is a true testiment to a fantastic manager that United won the league with a distinctly average side. Carried by Ronaldo and Giggs.

Fields

15-06-2007, 02:58 PM

no it is like calling o'shea, fletcher, carrick and heize good. they are complete shit. wouldn't even make it into the liverpool squad let alone the starting 11.

It is a true testiment to a fantastic manager that United won the league with a distinctly average side. Carried by Ronaldo and Giggs.
Fantastic post, totally agree.

Platty

15-06-2007, 03:11 PM

It is a true testiment to a fantastic manager that United won the league with a distinctly average side. Carried by Ronaldo and Giggs.

And Rooney, Scholes, Rio & Vidic.

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 03:19 PM

hobbzinio

15-06-2007, 03:22 PM

If I was a Man United fan I would be going the fucking games mate and actually supporting the team.

Fuck off

ROFL did i strike a nerve with someone? the fact you tried to reply in a harsh way, after licking my ass on msn - says it all really...

Going to 4 home games a season, when it costs 200 quid odd a time for a trip and day out just to get to Manchester - Is a massive commitment, when you have to fund everything yourself.

We dont all live 5 minutes from our clubs ground and have mother/father's money to rely on gayboy.

I thought you were above trying to behave like this. You say critical things about my club and It's manager nearly on a daily basis and I dont try to respond in such an immature way. I guess I should of expected it from a 16 year old

UziT

15-06-2007, 03:22 PM

hobbzinio

15-06-2007, 03:23 PM

Plus Benitez hasn't had the money to compete....The signings he has made have either been to strengthen the squad or to buy for the future.

Besides calling Morientes utter shite is unfair his work rate was spot on he just couldn't cut it in this league, the spanish league is for him.
...

I didnt I called him a Flop, exactly what he is.

And the fact the other guy thinks Carrick and Heinze are shit player's says it all really. Biased and Stupid.

Certain members of this board are unable to take criticism for there teams, without replying with a Hissy Fit.

I stand by everything I have said, I dont trust Rafa Benitez's activity in the transfer market. Every great player, can be matched with a shocking signing.

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 03:35 PM

ROFL did i strike a nerve with someone? the fact you tried to reply in a harsh way, after licking my ass on msn - says it all really...

You've got to be shitting me I've had you on block for the past few weeks

Going to 4 home games a season, when it costs 200 quid odd a time for a trip and day out just to get to Manchester - Is a massive commitment, when you have to fund everything yourself.

Diddums

We dont all live 5 minutes from our clubs ground and have mother/father's money to rely on gayboy.

I was taught to work hard for my money which I do, I myself pay for the tickets

I thought you were above trying to behave like this. You say critical things about my club and It's manager nearly on a daily basis and I dont try to respond in such an immature way. I guess I should of expected it from a 16 year old

Jesus christ, Your Obsessed with Liverpool I don't say anything much about United unless their is a discussion

I think I am pretty mature for my age to be honest and I don't spell like a fucktard.

Get a Grip hobz your nothing but an e-gangster

I didnt I called him a Flop, exactly what he is.

And the fact the other guy thinks Carrick and Heinze are shit player's says it all really. Biased and Stupid..[/QUOTE]

LMFAO...Jesus Irony....

[QUOTE]Certain members of this board are unable to take criticism for there teams, without replying with a Hissy Fit. .

Certain members of this forum can't compliment their team without being launched upon.

Fields says we can win the league, You flip and call every signing Benitez has made shit...Whats up with that?

I stand by everything I have said, I dont trust Rafa Benitez's activity in the transfer market. Every great player, can be matched with a shocking signing.

Unlike some we have never been able to splash £20 million plus every season on a world class player, we have had to make do with very little.

For what Benitez has, and for what he is done I can think of no better manager around I would like to be in the hands of...

hobbzinio

15-06-2007, 03:39 PM

Hahaha good stuff, but dont deny the fact you were not licking my ass when we were discussing commitments as supporters on msn. Your A Douche Bag

What the hell does diddums mean?

I dont believe you either, it's obvious to me you dont pay for bollock all. I brought up Rafas signings as in 'debate' people were discussing Liverpool's transfer budget, I found it to be very relevant. You just responded with a Hissy Fit and tried to get personal with me + failed in the process.

Nothing you have ever done, has made me think you were mature. The fact you try to act above people in this thread, because your from where your club is based - says it all really. An ignorant fool and I'll take the title of "E-Gangsta", as it's much better then "E-Dick Head"...

Fields

15-06-2007, 03:40 PM

Hobbzinio may be a ****, but he does provide some welcome entertainment. Although he is something to laugh at, not with.

mike-zim

15-06-2007, 03:42 PM

explain, the dudes just come back from injury, I wouldnt call him shit ffs

Even before the injury he was shit. but at least you didnt query the other 3.

As for scholes, rooney and rio well

Scholes wasn't that good and as a midfield player he can't takle for shit. the only reason he didn't spend half the season suspended is because he plays for United.

Rooney had a poor season by his high standards, lucky ronaldo was 2 levels above anyone else this season.

Rio is the most over rated donkey on the planet. if it wasn't for him having such and excellent partner everyone would see he was shit.

Next?

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 03:45 PM

Hahaha good stuff, but dont deny the fact you were not licking my ass when we were discussing commitments as supporters on msn. You're a douche bag

What has our discussion on MSN have to do with anything, You wanted to straight things out with me so I let you.

Your acting like a Primary School Kid

[/QUOTE]I dont believe you either, it's obvious to me you dont pay for bollock all. I brought up Rafas signings as in 'debate' people were discussing Liverpool's transfer budget, I found it to be very relevant. You just responded with a Hissy Fit and tried to get personal with me + failed in the process.

Nothing you have ever done, has made me think you were mature. [/QUOTE]

You don't know me, how I live, what I pay for or what I don't I am who I am on the forum, MSN and in real life. Accept It, Deal With it, Live with it.

You displayed your clear lack of knowledge of Liverpool Signings when you called players shit, whom you have probably never seen, passing opinions which where un found.

Oh and I ain't here to prove to you that I am mature, or anyone else.

As I said I am who I am, Move Along...

Even before the injury he was shit. but at least you didnt query the other 3.

As for scholes, rooney and rio well

Scholes wasn't that good and as a midfield player he can't takle for shit. the only reason he didn't spend half the season suspended is because he plays for United.

Rooney had a poor season by his high standards, lucky ronaldo was 2 levels above anyone else this season.

Rio is the most over rated donkey on the planet. if it wasn't for him having such and excellent partner everyone would see he was shit.

Next?

Spot on with everything you said there..

However Scholes is world class

hobbzinio

15-06-2007, 03:48 PM

Fields may be a ****, but he does provide some welcome entertainment. Although he is something to laugh at, not with.

Rooney scored 20+ goals and his work rate has been class all season. The fact ignorant people expect him to be scoring 2 goals every game and call his form "shit" when that doesnt happen, suggests you dont understand his role in our team and what sort of influence he has on a game, as its far more important then just scoring.

Heinze has been classy for us since he arrived. Great agression, great tackle succession and rarely dissapoints. Replace agression with technique, and the same applies for Rio.

The fact you pinpoint maybe Scholes's only flaw, says it all really. The lad is one of the most technically gifted central midfield playmakers, the premiership will ever see. True class.

And Ant you know nothing about me, so why try to attack my support on a constant basis? Irony or what?

You also have started an argument by throwing out personal insults, just because i dont agree Rafa is great in the transfer market. Immature or what? The fact i tried to straighten things out with you on msn and you blocked me for no apparent reason + you are now trying to start them back up again, says it all really. You are a silly kid

And i have seen Barragan and Jack Hobbs both on various occasions, niether have suggested to me that they are "Key prospects". Why try to guess what i have and have not seen?

Rafa has speant alot more in his first 3 seasons then Fergie ever had, Millions and Millions more infact. Yet his buys are still questionable. Rafa Benitez is a great manager IMO, Rafa is also a 50/50 good and bad when it comes to bringing people in IMO.

Deal With It Faggot

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 03:51 PM

[QUOTE=hobbzinio;475409]Rooney scored 20+ goals and his work rate has been class all season. The fact ignorant people expect him to be scoring 2 goals every game and call his form "shit" when that doesnt happen, suggests you dont understand his role in our team.

Heinze has been classy for us since he arrived. Great agression, great tackle succession and rarely dissapoints. Replace agression with technique, and the same applies for Rio.

QUOTE]

You see this is the funny part, that is exactly why people like yourselves do not rate Crouch and Kuyt.

but I'll live with it, I don't need any Manchester United fan telling me how good Peter Crouch is..

http://www.theoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/peter-crouch-airbound.jpg

Gerrin Der Crouchy Boy!

mike-zim

15-06-2007, 03:54 PM

you need to be able to tackle to be classed as world class in my opinnion but scholes is not as good as he used to be.

where did i call rooney shit? all i said is he hasn't had as good a season as you would expect from a player of his high quality.

come on lets face it hienze and rio are far from class.

hobbzinio

15-06-2007, 03:59 PM

Ferdinand and Heinzes combined consistency for Club and Country suggests otherwise Mike. Both have been great for years, why Rio gets the hate he does around here i will never know. I think his more relaxed style of play, to the gun ho abilities of a John Terry plays a big part tbh.

And I rate Crouch always have done, since seeing him down here for Portsmouth and Southampton. Good squad player and alternative. Kuyt on the otherhand is a player i feel is never going to be maximized to his best, unless he partners a goal machine. His strength up top, is supporting not scoring 20 a season.

Yet every Liverpool fan i know, tabbed him as a potential new "Ruud", when he arrived.

mike-zim

15-06-2007, 04:02 PM

well then we will agree to disagree.

i still fancy liverpool to push for the title next year. i recon if we dont win it chelsea will and united will finish 3rd

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 04:04 PM

Ferdinand and Heinzes combined consistency for Club and Country suggests otherwise Mike. Both have been great for years, why Rio gets the hate he does around here i will never know. I think his more relaxed style of play, to the gun ho abilities of a John Terry plays a big part tbh. .

Ferdinand get's into the United squad because he plays for United

And I rate Crouch always have done, since seeing him down here for Portsmouth and Southampton. Good squad player and alternative. Kuyt on the otherhand is a player i feel is never going to be maximized to his best, unless he partners a goal machine. His strength up top, is supporting not scoring 20 a season..

I agree

.Yet every Liverpool fan i know, tabbed him as a potential new "Ruud", when he arrived

Kuyt's work rate is second to none

hobbzinio

15-06-2007, 04:08 PM

Ferdinand get's into the United squad because he plays for United

No Shit Sherlock

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 04:10 PM

No Shit Sherlock

England even :(

hobbzinio

15-06-2007, 04:14 PM

Ferdinand gets into the United Squad, because he is technically 1 of the best defenders in europe. He reads things before they happen and prevents the danger, he has alot of pace + stamina and his form in a United shirt has always been decent. He is the reason we are usually strong at the back and has been for 5 years.

Having an all out agressive tackler like Vidic, partnered by the more technically based defender like your Rio Ferdinand is the perfect combination.

This season is proof. The fact he plays for england is because of how good he is for us, not the other way round. And the fact you criticise Rio's role for england, shows you are an idiot seeing as he has been our best central defender in the last 2 world cups.

Keep Hating!

flameboy

15-06-2007, 04:24 PM

Doesn't look like this has been posted as another liverpool-man utd arguement is going on:

Seventeen transfers and five Premier League clubs have been named in Lord Stevens' final report into alleged transfer irregularities.
Deals involving Chelsea, Middlesbrough, Bolton, Portsmouth and Newcastle have been highlighted in the report.

But there is no evidence of irregular payments to club officials or players.

Managers Sam Allardyce and Graeme Souness have been mentioned in Lord Stevens' report along with 15 agents, including Pini Zahavi.

Interview: Agents' spokesman Chris Heaton-Harris
Interview: Barry Silkman

There was a perceived conflict of interest with Newcastle boss Allardyce and his former agent son Craig and Bolton Wanderers.

Stevens also reported "inconsistencies in evidence" provided by the former Newcastle manager Souness and Kenneth Shepherd, son of Magpies chairman Freddy Shepherd.

Zahavi did not open his bank accounts for inspection and is accused of failing to co-operate fully with the inquiry.

The report also recommended that Fifa should investigate Zahavi's conduct.

The 17 transfers 'uncleared':

Bolton
Ali Al-Habsi, Tal Ben Haim, Blessing Kaku, Julio Correia.
Chelsea
Didier Drogba, Petr Cech, Michael Essien.
Middlesbrough
Fabio Rochemback, Yakubu.
Newcastle
Jean Alain Boumsong, Emre Belozoglu, Amady Faye, Albert Luque.
Portsmouth
Collins Mbesuma, Benjani Mwaruwari, Aliou Cisse.

One other transfer has not yet been disclosed.

Lord Stevens said in a statement: "Many lessons have been learned and strict adherence to and enforcement of the recommendations should ensure that the game and the transfer market can proceed in an untainted and transparent manner."

With regards to the future, the Premier League and the FA have agreed to carry out a random audit of selected transfers from each window in order to further ensure compliance

The Premier League will now send the findings to the FA and Fifa.

Football agents Zahavi and Barry Silkman were unhappy with claims they did not co-operate with Stevens' inquiry.

Zahavi admitted refusing to open his private bank account for inspection but he claims that no other foreign agent was as co-operative as him. Zahavi said: "It is ridiculous for agents to be condemned while the clubs are all supposed to be perfect."

Silkman added: "It is an absolute total lie. A complete lie. Whoever he is, Lord Stevens, he is a liar. The people who have done this are liars.

"I co-operated 100%. I went to see them with my lawyer and showed them every single bank statement.

"They saw money coming into my account and money going out of my account."

In a statement through his solicitors, Souness said: "I cannot understand why my name features in this report."

Portsmouth and Newcastle feel they have been vindicated by the findings of the inquiry.

A statement issued by Pompey said: "We're not surprised the club and our officials have been exonerated by the report.

"Although there are transfers involving Portsmouth FC, the continuing investigations are into the agents and not the club.

"We always act in accordance with Premier League rules and have fully co-operated with this investigation."

Newcastle's statement read: "The report makes clear that Newcastle officials have done nothing wrong and have at all times offered their full co-operation."

Newcastle also called on the agents named to "assist the inquiry in resolving their outstanding queries as soon as possible."

An FA spokesman said: "Following the final report of the Premier League's Quest Inquiry, the FA will give full consideration to its contents and the documentation that is due to be passed on by the Premier League and Quest."

The Premier League and the FA have agreed to carry out random spot-checks on future transfers using Quest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6755991.stm

I'm not surprised to see Pompey in there, remember hearing at the time that Mbesuma was owned by a third party, but don't know what was wrong with Benjani! Also can't see what went on with Cisse, but atleast its not all done to Harry as he wasn't there for two of the transfers...

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 04:27 PM

Jean Alain Boumsong....

I remmeber when Liverpool were linked with him every year, thank fuck we didn't opt to get him.

On another note glad to see Fat Sam get found out, ****

hobbzinio

15-06-2007, 04:31 PM

Allardyce Is God

Ant-Shimmin

15-06-2007, 04:54 PM

Allardyce is indeed Big

Fierce_LiNk

15-06-2007, 05:00 PM

Whilst having constructive arguments is fun, try and keep it civilised, guys. No need to resort to swearing, it's fucking stupid.

And, never ever doubt the talent that is Heinze. :D Quality guy, just a shame that he's a shadow of what he once was. If he does stay with us next year, I hope he regains back his fitness and hunger.

Fresh

15-06-2007, 05:02 PM

Fierce_LiNk

15-06-2007, 05:06 PM

Isn't Heinze a good friend of Ronaldo? If Heinze were to go to Real then Real may look more tempting to Ron.

Not sure if they're good friends or not, but I doubt Fergie or anyone would be willing to let him go. But, if he did, I can only imagine about what the price tag would be. We're talking fuckloads, here.

hobbzinio

15-06-2007, 05:28 PM

Isn't Heinze a good friend of Ronaldo? If Heinze were to go to Real then Real may look more tempting to Ron.

Ronaldo just signed a 5 year contract and said that he loves United. His good friend Nani has just signed, I would bet my bollocks he is going nowhere for many years...

Roostophe

15-06-2007, 05:48 PM

Goddamn computer, no Internet access since Wednesday, discover the new thread has been made...[/vented spleen]

Nothing has happened at Villa at all, we have to wait until the end of the U21 Tourney if we'll be able to get Reo-Coker. And I keep looking to see if they have revealed the new Nike kit for next season.

Argh.

BlueStar

15-06-2007, 06:52 PM

Nothing has happened at Villa at all

I bought these sort of Villa-like shoes today, will that do?

http://www.trainerstation.com/catalog/images/adidas_gazelle2_bordea_blu_.jpg

Fierce_LiNk

15-06-2007, 06:53 PM

I bought these sort of Villa-like shoes today, will that do?

http://www.trainerstation.com/catalog/images/adidas_gazelle2_bordea_blu_.jpg

OMG! Villa's top signing of the summer, along with all their summer expenditure! ;)

Roostophe

15-06-2007, 07:00 PM

I bought these sort of Villa-like shoes today, will that do?

http://www.trainerstation.com/catalog/images/adidas_gazelle2_bordea_blu_.jpg

They're not made by Nike, so...

OMG THEY MUST BE FAKE! :eek:

Can I have them?

kyletherobot

15-06-2007, 07:03 PM

Roostophe

15-06-2007, 07:07 PM

there are a few rumours that vassell is going to be making his way to good old barnsley if man city get taken over this summer.
i know it will never happen, but i really, really wish it would. it'd be awesome and funny.

Vassell scored against us a few times, I wouldn't mind seeing him out the Premiership or back at Villa so he doesn't do it again.

flameboy

15-06-2007, 09:50 PM

there are a few rumours that vassell is going to be making his way to good old barnsley if man city get taken over this summer.
i know it will never happen, but i really, really wish it would. it'd be awesome and funny.

can you guys keep your liverpool/man utd 'discussions' for when you decide to speak on MSN again please?
it's a little old and boring now. : peace:

Have to say I agree...it happened in the last thread and its getting very zzzzzz..... Your even referring to convos on MSN, (that none of us care about...) you've had so why not just keep it there....

Man Utd won the title last year, they proved to be the most consistent team over 38 league games hence why they ended up with more points... end of story!

I mean today the first names in the year long bung inquiry have been announced there are so many issues concerning that, all of which are more interesting on the merits of who is better than who...

It looks like they aren't blaming much on the clubs themselves more the agents with the exception of Big Sam where they have admitted there is a conflict of interest with his son, something that was highlighted in the Panorama special. Souness and Shepard thing seems like they've said contrasting things...

On my side of things, Pompey have said their were no agents fees in two of the transfers, which is the problem as there were none announced if they are telling the truth then fair enough.

I wonder what the punishment would be. Say if all the teams were found guilty would the FA have the guts to say relegate the teams? (which would have happened in the past and likely abroad, look at Juventus for bribing refs) I doubt they would. I think likely the big scalps will all be agents rather than managers or clubs, they do need a big scalp though much like George Graham was when he got banned.

Ant-Shimmin

16-06-2007, 10:33 AM

If you get X Amount of United Fans and X Amount of Liverpool, It's natrual that it's going to happen.

Ramar

16-06-2007, 11:40 AM

If you get X Amount of United Fans and X Amount of Liverpool, It's natrual that it's going to happen.

1 being the common dominantor for the variable X.

kyletherobot

16-06-2007, 02:02 PM

haha.
i know that football rivalries exist, but they don't always need to be broadcast on the interweb for weeks on end.

Fields

16-06-2007, 04:20 PM

Seriously, what the fuck? (http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/new-host-of-skys-soccer-am-revealed-784.html) :(

conzer16

16-06-2007, 04:51 PM

Seriously, what the fuck? (http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/new-host-of-skys-soccer-am-revealed-784.html) :(

Thats some load of shite. He is a feckin t wat.

Platty

16-06-2007, 04:56 PM

Personally I think it's a good choice, I actually really like Ralf Little.

He was so funny on MTV back in the late 90's when he used to take the piss outta Kelly Brook without her even realising!

I have also met him and he is a nice bloke. Lay off him a bit chaps.

Dyson

16-06-2007, 05:32 PM

Seriously, what the fuck? (http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/new-host-of-skys-soccer-am-revealed-784.html) :(

*cries*

What a downgrade..

Happenstance

16-06-2007, 05:59 PM

Well I like him anyway so that should make you all happy

Fields

16-06-2007, 06:06 PM

The man is a çunt, Soccer AM is officially dead.

Ant-Shimmin

16-06-2007, 06:47 PM

Not the worst of choices, not the best of choices.

I myself would of pre-ferred a Liverpool Fan

Fields

16-06-2007, 06:50 PM

I myself would of pre-ferred a Liverpool Fan
Colin Murray would have been brilliant.

Ant-Shimmin

16-06-2007, 06:51 PM

Finally the bullshit rumours about Rafa being un-happy etc can be put to bed

Reds chief refuses to panic buy

Benitez has made only three signings so far this summer
Liverpool's co-owner George Gillett insists he will sanction the level of spending that boss Rafa Benitez has demanded - but not for the sake of it.
Reds fans have become frustrated with the club's lack of action in the transfer market so far this summer.

Gillett told The Times: "I sense that kind of pressure building from the media - but we are working on things.

"Rafa has a programme under way and, as that unfolds, that will be the time for us to be judged, not now."

Following Liverpool's defeat by AC Milan in the Champions League on 23 May, Benitez said Liverpool must "spend big and spend now" to close the gap on Manchester United and Chelsea at the top of the Premiership.

What we've said and what Rafa has said was that we had a programme and he would share that with us and that we would support it

George Gillett

He has brought in Andrey Voronin on a free transfer from Bayer Leverkusen and signed Hungarian teenagers Kristian Nemeth and Andras Simon.

The Reds are also close to wrapping up a £6m deal for Brazilian midfielder Lucas Leiva.

But the established world-class signings expected by supporters after the arrival of Gillett and co-owner Tom Hicks have not yet materialised.

"We're not going to do something just to try to prove something," Gillett explained.

"What we've said and what Rafa has said was that we had a programme and he would share that with us and that we would support it.

"The first part was that we identified a number of our existing star players (Jose Reina, Jamie Carragher, Steven Gerrard and Xabi Alonso) whom Rafa wanted to sign on long-term contracts.

"That was the first step and it has been done. Now we're moving on to phase two, which is bringing players in."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6759507.stm

__________________________________________________ _________

The future is incredibly bright for the club, Possibly the greatest stadium in the world + the financial support of two incredible families. Plus the greatest manager in the world...

Come On Liverpool!!!!!

Happenstance

16-06-2007, 07:05 PM

The man is a cúnt, Soccer AM is officially dead.

Personally I think Soccer AM has been dead for years. I used to love watching it with my dad but it just seemed to focus less and less on football as it went on and in the end I gave up watching it every week.

Ant-Shimmin

16-06-2007, 07:13 PM

flameboy

16-06-2007, 08:24 PM

Soccer AM has done well to stay fresh....

Besides if Badiel and Skinner don't come back on air I won't be switching Soccer AM off.

Which reminds me their Euro 2004 Programme was Comical Genius.

Back to Soccer AM it has become a pre match ritual..

Get Up, Eat Breakfast, Watch Soccer AM, Shit, Shave, Shower, Pub, Curry Game...

Thats if it's a fucking 3pm kick off...

Do you guys have Pre Match Rituals?

yep pretty much the same ritual, except for the curry, if I'm not going to a game replace that with a bit of Jeff on Soccer Saturday.

As for Soccer AM Ralf Little might not be that bad. Soccer AM could be in it's last season anyway, it is made by Lovejoy's production and their contract with sky expires this season!

Some more transfer news about Pompey:

Portsmouth are in the 'driving seat' to sign Alou Diarra, according to Lyon chairman Jean-Michel Aulas.

The France international is one of Harry Redknapp's prime transfer targets, although he has doubted the likelihood of a deal.

Werder Bremen have also expressed an interest in Diarra, who wants to quit the French champions in search of regular first-team football.

The latest reports in France suggest a bid of €9million (£6million) will be enough to tempt Lyon into a sale.

Pompey are rumoured to have offered close to that figure already and an increased bid is on the cards.

Lyon chairman Aulas has confirmed that the Premier League club are currently the favourites to sign the former Liverpool youngster.

"Portsmouth are in the driving seat," Aulas told the French media.

"Diarra could leave in the coming days."

Redknapp has been desperate to strengthen his strike-force, but the Pompey manager has also acknowledged a wish to bring in a new midfielder.

Great news for us, we seem to be out and about for a lot of midfielders got Muntari and now this would tie in with rumours that Gary O'Neil is off to Middlesborough as part of deal for Yakubu. Personally don't want that to happen GON is so tireless and loyal and Yakubu is just such a rebel...

Our midfield could be awesome on paper next season:

Muntari Diarra Mendes Taylor/Krancjar

hobbzinio

16-06-2007, 09:01 PM

The future is incredibly bright for the club, Possibly the greatest stadium in the world + the financial support of two incredible families. Plus the greatest manager in the world...

Come On Liverpool!!!!!

Don't Get Carried Away

And Ralf Little isnt the worst choice in the world, I was expecting alot worse.

UziT

16-06-2007, 09:33 PM

You guys mind explaining why so much hate for Ralph Little?

Goron_3

17-06-2007, 01:27 PM

Ralph Little is awesome. Why so much hate?

kyletherobot

17-06-2007, 08:40 PM

fuck. so tense. real madrid have just gone 2-1 up over mallorca.
looks like the title is going to the bernabéu.
about 5 mins left.

edit: 3-1. real have the title unless something goes badly wrong.
i can't believe reyes has scored twice!

edit 2: dammit. im posting in the wrong thread.

Noodleman

17-06-2007, 08:48 PM

Madrid such a detestable club :(

kyletherobot

17-06-2007, 08:57 PM

Babooo

17-06-2007, 09:17 PM

Glad Madrid won it.

Lol at Reyes scoring twice. I'm happy for him....as long as he stays in Spain now.

flameboy

17-06-2007, 09:25 PM

i know what you mean, but im glad they won over barca.
would have preferred sevilla over both, but it wasn't ever going to happen really.
well done madrid.

also, england under 21's beat an understrength serbia side to get through to the semis in the U21 euro competition, italy and czech republic go home. england play holland on wednesday i believe.

what an amazing sport day today has been.

Yeah it really has been awesome, watched cricket until the F1 and then Real Madrid and now theres Golf on, event though I'm not really into golf.

Anyway I'm glad Real won it, means Becks time there wasn't a complete waste and he has got a trophy! But will Capello stay? On the TV they were quick to point out how he left in '96 when he won the title with them and they have proven down the years that they will sack successful managers, think they did the same with Del Bosque just after he won it (?).

What a great manager Capello is he has now won titles with 4 different teams...

The-Ironflame

17-06-2007, 09:31 PM

Wenger will probably be going "Show me the money" to Real for Reyes.
Hope they decide to sign him after all and for £12m at least..

flameboy

17-06-2007, 09:33 PM

Wenger will probably be going "Show me the money" to Real for Reyes.
Hope they decide to sign him after all and for £12m at least..

They've already said they don't want him, i don't think those 2 goals will change anything to be honest. He showed how immature he still can be when he picked up a booking for taking someone down after he thought he had been fouled.

khilafah

18-06-2007, 11:44 AM

yep pretty much the same ritual, except for the curry, if I'm not going to a game replace that with a bit of Jeff on Soccer Saturday.

As for Soccer AM Ralf Little might not be that bad. Soccer AM could be in it's last season anyway, it is made by Lovejoy's production and their contract with sky expires this season!

Some more transfer news about Pompey:

Great news for us, we seem to be out and about for a lot of midfielders got Muntari and now this would tie in with rumours that Gary O'Neil is off to Middlesborough as part of deal for Yakubu. Personally don't want that to happen GON is so tireless and loyal and Yakubu is just such a rebel...

Our midfield could be awesome on paper next season:

Muntari Diarra Mendes Taylor/Krancjar

Diarra is a great player man. trust he will be a great addition, Rafa Benitez never gave him a chance which was a mistake if you ask me.

also ant-shimmin. I don't think the money is really there. all this £40m+ is pure talk. reports are that Liverpool want Malouda but will only offer £10m while chelsea are offering £14m. Again Liverpool will miss out on genuine quality because they won't spend big.

Ant-Shimmin

18-06-2007, 11:50 AM

The Money is there I assure you, just because we haven't bought anyone yet doesn't mean we won't.

Benitez is a man who if he doesn't get what he wants he will leave in a heart beat, now Alonso, Gerrard, Carragher (Those two are a given i suppose) Sissoko, Finnan and Reina have all signed contracts. If any one of those had an inkling that we wouldn't be buying anyone and Benz was un-happy I assure you those contracts would not be signed.

As Gillette said we are in stage two which is all about buying players, now no matter what anyone says the Transfer Window doesn't open till July. We can buy them now, but they won't be here till July so what the hecks the point in announcing it now. Liverpool doesn't work that way, they have always been cloak and dagger.

As for the money isn't there, it is we just haven't spent it yet.

As Gillette said, we are refusing to panic buy...

hobbzinio

18-06-2007, 12:07 PM

Fierce_LiNk

18-06-2007, 12:09 PM

Ant-Shimmin

18-06-2007, 12:09 PM

Thing that would worry me about Liverpool is that waiting too long, after making your interest for a player public - can be fatal. It has happened to us in the past and made us miss out on players who would of made our team so much stronger and as a result we have gone into campaigns alot weaker, then we would of been.

I really cant see what top class talent Liverpool can sign now, I guess time will tell.

We never make our interest in players public, maybe little quotes here or there but nothing explicit.

I assure you Rafa will get who he wants...Wether he wants Eto'o, Owen, Torres the names that people are hammering about is another question.

Liverpool can/will sign Top Class talent, they just haven't done or announced it yet.

I agree with this. When you usually go through the process of buying players, it is usually like a game of tug of war, and can take up to months to sign a single player.

Team A makes bid.
Team B refuses to sell player.
Player declares love for Team B, but says a move to England would be nice.
Team B reiterates refusal to sell player.
Team A makes another bid.
Player declares love for Team A.
Team B wants more money.
Team A make huge bid.
Player leaves, Team B get fat cash.

Thats why everybody hates Rick Fucking Parry....

flameboy

18-06-2007, 12:10 PM

Fierce_LiNk

18-06-2007, 12:12 PM

Thats why everybody hates Rick Fucking Parry....

Hehe. :)

It can be a bit of a lengthy process though, to be honest. But, first of all, you need to show interest in other players. If there's no interest there, then the players in question are immediately going to be put off such a move. They need an ego boost. "such and such clubs wants me, heyhey."

Ant-Shimmin

18-06-2007, 12:13 PM

I don't think the money is there in the amounts some people seem to think. I don't think Hicks and Gillette are just going to throw money down now, they want to see the stadium built get some money in etc... rack in some of the TV revenue first...Don't see them speculating to accumalate to be honest...

They are not going to do a Chelsea which some people expect.

We aren't going to pay over the odds for players.

Example: According to some person on www.ynwa.tv we have been in talking with Torres and his agent, everything has been brilliant, however they want £40 Million or something stupid like that. We won't go further then £25 Million....Which In my opinion Is perfectly sound.

I assure you once more Rafa will get his players....The Media are just playing upon fans fears.

Fierce_LiNk

18-06-2007, 12:15 PM

We aren't going to pay over the odds for players.

That's great from the club's financial point of view, but sometimes the only way to get a certain player to a club is to pay a stupid amount of money. It's a risk, but sometimes there really is no other way. Wayne Rooney from Everton to United is a good example of this.

Ant-Shimmin

18-06-2007, 12:15 PM

Hehe. :)

It can be a bit of a lengthy process though, to be honest. But, first of all, you need to show interest in other players. If there's no interest there, then the players in question are immediately going to be put off such a move. They need an ego boost. "such and such clubs wants me, heyhey."

Once you show interest thats when the price the fans demand goes sky high..

A Less Publicised transfer the cheaper the price. The happier the two parties.

hobbzinio

18-06-2007, 12:16 PM

Malouda, Alves, Torres, Eto, Owen, Tevez etc. etc.

Liverpool's "supposed" interest in all these players and more has been made public. Seeing as all these players would be wanted by nearly every top club in europe, it makes Liverpools chances of getting them slimmer as other interested clubs will move in faster.

If Liverpool want to win the league, they need to sign at least 3 players. That is all im saying :)

Ant-Shimmin

18-06-2007, 12:18 PM

That's great from the club's financial point of view, but sometimes the only way to get a certain player to a club is to pay a stupid amount of money. It's a risk, but sometimes there really is no other way. Wayne Rooney from Everton to United is a good example of this.

Yeah but Wayne Roone would pay that £30 million within his first season, through shirt sales and what not.

Wayne Rooney is proven English Premiership Quality..

Fernando Torres isn't...

Don't get me wrong I think they will pay a high price for players, but only what they think is right.

We must not be bullied about because of our new found riches...Tom and George will pay what they think is right...

Malouda, Alves, Torres, Eto, Owen, Tevez etc. etc.

Liverpool's "supposed" interest in all these players and more has been made public. Seeing as all these players would be wanted by nearly every top club in europe, it makes Liverpools chances of getting them slimmer as other interested clubs will move in faster.

If Liverpool want to win the league, they need to sign at least 3 players. That is all im saying :)

Benitez hasn't come out saying he wants any of those players..

Give me quotes

It's a classic example of the press 2+2=5. I do agree in that aspect we do need 3 players to win the league...

Platty

18-06-2007, 12:22 PM

Eddage

18-06-2007, 02:33 PM

My England Fans pack finally came today!

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d115/platty182/DSC00760.jpg

Badge, Pen, Membership card and a wicked book all about England past and present:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d115/platty182/DSC00759.jpg

Tickets for Germany on Pre-sale next week :)

I thought mine had come this morning as well, turns out it was just the England fans magazine, needless to say I was a little disappointed!

Ant-Shimmin

18-06-2007, 04:49 PM

Arsenal Looking for a YNWA Type Song...

...I know the atmosphere is bad but do you think ANY of the proposed songs would work.

_____________

A healthy debate on the onlinegooner forum has led to this potential shortlist to do for Ashburton Grove what ‘You’ll Never Walk Alone’ does for Anfield
A while back – late last year, we had this exclusive and this response raising the idea of an Arsenal anthem to give our new stadium an equivalent to the stirring ‘You’ll Never Walk Alone’ sung by Liverpool fans.

Then in April, I revived the idea on this thread on the onlinegooner forum. A decent debate has continued for a couple of months and now I am putting forward a provisional shortlist. Assuming no major objections (I’ll allow a week for appeals or something wonderful that no-one’s thought of), these will go to a referendum vote which I hope other Arsenal sites will link to so we can have a pretty comprehensive election of a favoured tune to approach the club with – through redaction.

For all the doom-mongers out there the idea is that we persuade the club to play the song over the PA system before the teams come out, initially putting the words on the videoscreens. It will take a while to catch on, but come the day of a big, big game, the hope is that a majority of the crowd will add their voices and create an atmosphere akin to that at Anfield before, for example, their big European games over the last three seasons against the likes of Chelsea and Barcelona. A lot of people are quite negative about the possibilities of this taking off, but my way of thinking is that if 10,000 people will sing it (realistically, the redsection get into it and it gradually spreads), in time, the majority of the crowd will join in if they are sufficiently moved/inspired. It will take a couple of seasons to really take hold, but if we persevere, we could have something really special. This is the first part of an initiative here at onlinegooner to improve matchday atmosphere at the new stadium.

The criteria that I first mooted was that the song should have the following qualities…
Should be stirring enough to send shivers down the back of your neck
Therefore, not too fast or poppy
Capability for a good sing-along
Therefore, already fairly familiar to many in its own right
Probably unlikely to have been written since 1980 due to the average age of the Arsenal crowd
Embodying the spirit of Arsenal or the relationship between the team and fans in the lyrics in some way
Not have strong associations with another club for any reason.

I should clarify that this is not ‘run out’ music but something to build up the atmosphere before the players walk out, finishing when they are lined up in the tunnel.

At this point, I’ll quote a forum posting on the subject from ‘singup4theArse’, just to echo the above… “If you want to get an anthem going you have to find the kind of song – that’s old enough for everyone to identify with. So out go all the hits of the last decade . Blue moon/You’ll Never Walk Alone/Keep Right On/Dehlila/Bubbles all have one thing in common. They are old songs. They've stood the test of time; they are slightly absurd and naff in their own way and I suspect that’s what's made them 'catchy' and later, popular with fans. Having said that the song also has to have broad appeal. I can't see the average Cypriot/Black/Irish/Asian kid singing 'Knees Up Mother Brown'.”

So here is the proposed shortlist, in alphabetical order
Bridge Over Troubled Water (Simon and Garfunkel)
Can’t Help Falling In Love With You (Elvis Presley)
Danny Boy (Traditional)
He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother (The Hollies)
I Only Have Eyes For You (Various)
Lean On Me (Bill Withers)
Over The Rainbow (Judy Garland)
Streets of London (Ralph McTell)
The Impossible Dream (Andy Williams)

The following fitted the criteria, but there was not quite enough enthusiasm for them…
Hangbags And Gladrags (Rod Stewart)
Let It Be (The Beatles)
My Way (Frank Sinatra)
The Green Green Grass Of Home (Tom Jones)
The Wonder Of You (Elvis Presley)
You've Lost That Lovin’ Feeling (Righteous Brothers)

There have been many other suggestions, which haven’t made the shortlist, for reasons such as being…
Too jaunty/fast/poppy (popular choice ‘Maybe It’s Because I’m A Londoner falls into this trap)
Already an established Arsenal song/chant – (eg Good Old Arsenal) which is not what we are trying to achieve here – those have been around for long enough already and have not been naturally adopted by the crowd
Too recent (eg Angels by Robbie Williams)
Strong connections with another club (eg Wonderwall)
Already used by another club
Too obscure
Too strong a specific association with one particular country/culture (okay, you could argue Danny Boy should be disqualified for this, but the song was not written with Ireland in mind, simply adopted by them and the sheer strength of positive feedback on the forum for this seems to suggest that people see the song as more than representing the Emerald Isle).

For what it’s worth, the feedback so far has ‘The Impossible Dream’ as the most popular choice (although some argue it’s a bit too long and slow to really pick up), however, when we post the referendum (in a week’s time, as the next onlinegooner referendum) the numbers voting will be far greater than those who have so far discussed it on the forum, as I will be contacting other Arsenal websites to ask them to mention the vote on their own sites and link to it. Then we’ll have a truly democratic vote of Arsenal fans determining which ‘anthem’ we will approach the club to try.

As for the referendum – I think we have the capability of more than five choices, but if not, I’ll take subsequent forum postings (under the further discussion section) as the determining factor. I’ll also consider any appeals regarding what is and isn’t on the shortlist, if they are made with strong conviction by enough posters. The shortlist is not set in stone, but an attempt at pulling together the two months of debate on the forum since the original posting discussing this idea. Watch this space and I will post another piece next week once the final vote has gone live.

http://www.onlinegooner.com/editorial/index.php?id=60

khilafah

18-06-2007, 04:50 PM

gmac

18-06-2007, 04:53 PM

I don't think those sort of things would work, I mean it wasn't a huge comittee that made the Celtic and Liverpool fans pick up YNWA or the West Ham fans with I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles, it's just something that happens :)

but good luck to them, because the atmosphere that you get at Celtic Park on European nights when the whole stadium is belting out YNWA is just amazing

oh and Ant we likely to see the new Liverpool stadium pics today?

Ant-Shimmin

18-06-2007, 05:00 PM

I don't think Branscombe from the Echo has any reason too lie when talking about liverpool's spending policy this summer. Sources will always leak information out of the club. Of course Gillette and Hicks are gonna say everything is okay in public as they have too..

Bascombe has lost all contacts with the club since the new guys came in.
It's just a petty little swipe, believe me it's just paper talk.
Bascombe did get his information off Dave Usher on TLW, but he had a fall out with Bascombe.

Gillette and Hicks: We start getting a new stadium together

They have done, to dramatic fucking effect I might add

Gillette and Hicks: We will offer players contracts

They Have Done, succesfully

Gillette and Hicks: Phase two the process of signing players

Under Way

I have every confidence they will get what Rafa wants.

Yes there is money but not money for the likes of Eto'o. £30m+ is out of liverpool's budget. If you go on the example of Malouda who will probably go Chelsea because they are ready to offer £4m more than liverpool things don't look too great.

Ever thought that Rafa might not want Eto'o?

Rafa hasn't come out and said he wants Eto'o it's paper talk, besides I do think £30 million is way too much a risk for a foreign striker, a risk Rafa doesn't want to take, and neither does George and Tom.

Heres one for you, Owen for £9 Million, Eto'o for £30 million.

Owen all the time....

As for Malouda, If Rafa really wants him he will get him.

oh and Ant we likely to see the new Liverpool stadium pics today?

The plans went forward to the council today as far as I know. Hence the "prediction" you will see the stadium pictures soon.

I'd imagine the council will hand them over to the Liverpool Echo and various other media sources within a few days.

You will not be dissapointed...:)

Noodleman

18-06-2007, 05:34 PM

Blimey we've actualy tried to sign a player, it was rejected like but still.

Colchester have had a £200,000 bid for QPR striker Ray Jones rejected.

Jones, who signed a three-and-a-half-year deal at Loftus Road in January, has made 39 appearances and scored five goals.

Chairman Gianni Paladini told QPR's website: "We are not going to sell our best players unless the price is right and Ray has a part in our future."

The Layer Road club are considering going back to the Londoners with an improved offer for the 18-year-old.

Would love to sign him, we wont get him though. Fulham bid 1.5 million for him in January ffs. Can't remember the last time we spent money on a player either.

flameboy

18-06-2007, 08:12 PM

Ray Jones awesome player, I think he will make the premiership before long, but not yet he is still very young.

gmac

18-06-2007, 09:43 PM

these are great

20 "great" misses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMZiNQcEang)

Ant-Shimmin

19-06-2007, 09:46 AM

Reguarding the new stadium the Club and Architects plan to release the pictures 3rd July

Fields

19-06-2007, 10:52 AM

Reguarding the new stadium the Club and Architects plan to release the pictures 3rd July
Yeah but I reckon now the plans have gone to the council you're safe to leak the pics though :)

/ nando /

19-06-2007, 11:44 AM

these are great

20 "great" misses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMZiNQcEang)

:laughing: Some of those are brilliant! Thanks for posting that :heh:

Babooo

19-06-2007, 11:44 AM

these are great

20 "great" misses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMZiNQcEang)

LOL:awesome:

Ant-Shimmin

19-06-2007, 12:01 PM

Yeah but I reckon now the plans have gone to the council you're safe to leak the pics though :)

Whats there to leak that some people have seen before....;)

I won't be posting any pictures

TriBULLSHITfootball.com

http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=44401

Liverpool, Arsenal invited to bid for Real Madrid's Robinho
tribalfooball.com - June 19, 2007

Arsenal will be invited to bid for Real Madrid winger Robinho this summer.

El Mundo Deportivo says Real chiefs intend to cash in on Robinho to fund a bid for AC Milan midfield ace Kaka. The Brazil international midfielder is regarded as the only player on Real's books capable of raising a big enough fee to strengthen their hand in negotiations for Kaka.

Only in January, Robinho admitted that AC Milan had expressed interest in him, while Arsenal moved for the former Santos star last summer, but were put off by Real's £15 million asking price.

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez will monitor developments closely, particularly after losing out to Manchester United for Nani earlier this month.

____________________________________________

lmfao....

Babooo

19-06-2007, 12:30 PM

More bullshit. Wouldn't mind Robinho at the Arsenal though...

Ant-Shimmin

19-06-2007, 12:31 PM

Robinho is ovverated, FACT..

Babooo

19-06-2007, 12:35 PM

Robinho is ovverated, FACT..

Thats just your opinion...:heh: :wink: :wink:

Ant-Shimmin

19-06-2007, 12:38 PM

Thats just your opinion...:heh: :wink: :wink:

My opinion is the closest thing you can get to fact ;)

Only messing, in all seriouness though he is really really bad, he is struggling in Spain and would only struggle here...

Plus I doubt either Liverpool or Arsenal are in for him!

Babooo

19-06-2007, 12:42 PM

Yeh I could see him struggling in the premiership, just like Reyes did for us.

flameboy

19-06-2007, 12:48 PM

wot a load of bollocks, they love Robinho at madrid and he is still young so has plenty in front of him....

Noodleman

19-06-2007, 06:07 PM

Robinho would get the shit kicked out of him in the premiership. No chance of him leaving Madrid anyway.

Platty

19-06-2007, 06:43 PM

I heard a rumour today that Anelka is on his way back to Arsenal!

Yeah, can't see that happening!

Gotta love the rumours, Anelka to Arsenal, Henry to Liverpool and all that :heh:

harribo

19-06-2007, 06:53 PM

I heard a rumour today that Anelka is on his way back to Arsenal!

Yeah, can't see that happening!

Gotta love the rumours, Anelka to Arsenal, Henry to Liverpool and all that :heh:

Funniest rumours I've heard are Billy Sharp to Wednesday in a deal worth £1.5 million and that Wednesday are planning a promotion push.

Dyson

19-06-2007, 11:00 PM

these are great

20 "great" misses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMZiNQcEang)

Lmao, that one at the end is classic.

hobbzinio

19-06-2007, 11:03 PM

Robinho is definetly overrated, but he still has alot of potential.

Ramar

19-06-2007, 11:30 PM

these are great

20 "great" misses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMZiNQcEang)

Glad Rosicky's howler made it in, though Iw as expecting the video to be a 10 minute 'highlights' of Arsenal's 0-0 with CSKA Moscow last season, of which that Rosicky miss took place, and Cesc missed an open goal after rounding the keeper.

The Giggs miss I remember clearly, and I predicted Rosenthal's miss to be there. Half expected Somassi Abou's miss against Utd to be on there. Think he missed on the line or something like that. I'll see if i can find a clip on youtube.

Roostophe

20-06-2007, 10:58 AM

Darren Bent has said the club he'll go to will be able to get him a place in the England squad...

...so a move to Villa is out of the questrion. :indeed:

Babooo

20-06-2007, 11:00 AM

If Bent is going anywhere, its most likely to be Spurs. They've got the cash and seem to be buying plenty of players. But for no less than £17 million is a bit steep IMO.

flameboy

20-06-2007, 12:10 PM

I think £17 million is crazy! That puts him up there with Micheal Owen, we are talking about a man who has just 2 caps, and therefore nowhere near the same international pedigree.

English players are just so overpriced no wonder so few make it big abroad...

Fierce_LiNk

20-06-2007, 12:12 PM

Ouch, that's a nasty price.

I'm missing the football already. Saturdays just ain' the same.

flameboy

20-06-2007, 12:14 PM

Ouch, that's a nasty price.

I'm missing the football already. Saturdays just ain' the same.

what are you on about theres been loads! Under 21 Euros have been amazing, Copa America starts soon, then we have the Asia Cup with Liverpool, Pompey, Fulham and Hong Kong and then the season has pretty much started...

Fierce_LiNk

20-06-2007, 12:16 PM

what are you on about theres been loads! Under 21 Euros have been amazing, Copa America starts soon, then we have the Asia Cup with Liverpool, Pompey, Fulham and Hong Kong and then the season has pretty much started...

None of it is the same as the Premier League, though.

Where's our SkySportsNewsSaturday with Chris Kamara shouting "UNBELIEVEABLE, JEFF!"

I want the relegation battles, the title chases. I want it all, Marge! The dizzy highs, the lowly lows!

flameboy

20-06-2007, 12:23 PM

None of it is the same as the Premier League, though.

Where's our SkySportsNewsSaturday with Chris Kamara shouting "UNBELIEVEABLE, JEFF!"

I want the relegation battles, the title chases. I want it all, Marge! The dizzy highs, the lowly lows!

I know but feel sorry for the pampered stars that have to play football week in week out, its such a hardship they need their rest...:heh:

Babooo

20-06-2007, 01:07 PM

I am indeed missing the prem but I can survive....for now.

In a couple of weeks time, I will REALLY be missing it.

Roostophe

20-06-2007, 01:13 PM

I am really looking forward to when I see the Villa players in the new kit head out onto the pitch to play Liverpool on the opening day of the season.

mike-zim

20-06-2007, 01:32 PM

And get beaten!

Roostophe

20-06-2007, 01:35 PM

And get beaten!

And the award for stating the obvious goes to: mike-zim. :yay: :yay: :bowdown: :yay: :yay:

mike-zim

20-06-2007, 01:42 PM

THANKS i have never won anything before.

*rolls out speech*

I would like to thank my mother for giving birth to a wonderfull person and me.
etc. etc.

Ant-Shimmin

20-06-2007, 03:43 PM

Can't wait till La Copa America...

Noodleman

20-06-2007, 07:23 PM

What a penalty shoot out

12-13 :O

Shame the dutchies won

England scoring 12 pens though :)

flameboy

20-06-2007, 08:03 PM

What a penalty shoot out

12-13 :O

Shame the dutchies won

England scoring 12 pens though :)

yeah what a shoot out! loved it when stephen taylor scored after the dutch manager ran on the pitch kicking off about him not taking one as he was enjoyed. Shame we lost though..

hobbzinio

20-06-2007, 08:12 PM

England losing another penalty shootout, what a suprise.

Ant-Shimmin

21-06-2007, 08:13 AM

Alot of Papers going ahead with saying Torres is signing for Liverpool for £24 Million.

Glad Didn't Liverpool Budge after I said they wouldn't pay more then £25 million.

1 Player Down
2 To go

Babooo

21-06-2007, 08:33 AM

I would be surprised if Torres goes to Liverpool.....they would have to pay at least £25 million which IMO, is far too much on one player.

Ant-Shimmin

21-06-2007, 08:36 AM

Well every major paper is running with it so far.

The Liverpool Echo has come out with it as well, and they rarely stick their neck out until something concrete has been said.

Exciting Times

hobbzinio

21-06-2007, 09:00 AM

But to say "1 Player Down, 2 to Go" when its currently just Paper gossip is comical.

The Manchester Evening news reported that a Tevez deal was in the works for a similar fee as did the national papers. What a load of bollocks that one turned out to be.

If the deal does happen, then Torres is a good player. But worth 25 million? Hell no, after seeing him play on numerous occasions for club and country he isnt worth 12. Good, but definetly overrated - nothing about him screams out "Goal Hit man!".

If this is true, Athletico would be making good buisness for themselves.

Ant-Shimmin

21-06-2007, 09:07 AM

It isn't just paper talk, Give it a week methinks...

Torres isn't my first choice, but I tell you something signings like this excite me

Babooo

21-06-2007, 09:38 AM

Ant-Shimmin

21-06-2007, 09:42 AM

Yeh I agree, if Arsenal were rumoured to get him, I would also be excited.

But come on, you just know that he is the definition of overrated. He's a good young player but thats about it. I would rather pay £15-17 million for Bent (proven premiership scorer) than £25 million for Torres.

Yeah I agree totally, but I am a supporter, granted I may not prefer the signing but you support them don't you?

Having said that if it's true we could get Owen for £9 Million, I know which one I would prefer...

And I wouldn't pay £15-17 Million for Bent At all...

Another one thats overated

conzer16

21-06-2007, 09:43 AM

Hard luck to England!

The dutch 'keeper blatantly cheated during the shootout and the ref' didnt notice. The dutch coach shouldn't have been allowed protest the injured guy not taking a penalty - and he should have been sent off for protesting on the pitch.

Ferdinand was so unlucky!

Hard luck!

mike-zim

21-06-2007, 09:52 AM

yeah that is one hell of a penalty shoot out.

hobbzinio

21-06-2007, 09:55 AM

Anton Ferdinand must be in a real dark place mentally, when it comes to taking penalties.

He has now missed the decisive penalty kick twice in vital fixtures - In the FA Cup final against Liverpool and this Semi-final.

Ant-Shimmin

21-06-2007, 09:56 AM

He's almost as shit as his brother

mike-zim

21-06-2007, 10:01 AM

agreed almost.

hobbzinio

21-06-2007, 10:03 AM

ROFL

Your attempts to wind me up are priceless. Keep at it lads

Rio > Jamie Carragher

Every time!

mike-zim

21-06-2007, 10:06 AM

That is funniest thing i have ever seen.

hobbzinio

21-06-2007, 10:08 AM

The reality is that the only people who rate Carragher over Ferdinand are Liverpool fans. Rio is seen as his successer by the majority of world experts, the international team, the media and the majority of neutral supporters.

Another typical case of Liverpool fans overrating their players and using the rivarly with Man United, as an avenue to stupidly underrate 1 of their key players.

Im happy to hear your opinions on Carragher being better then Rio, as your entitled to it. But the minute you start rating Ferdinand as terrible and below average, I question your eye sight and how biased you are.

mike-zim

21-06-2007, 10:19 AM

lol there is nothing wrong with my eye sight. anyway i think the stats speak for themselves.

Ant-Shimmin

21-06-2007, 10:25 AM

I remember you saying how quick we are to defend our players, look at you now going off on one.

Laughable considering It was an attempt to wind you up..

Rio Ferdinand isn't shit, he is just average, When it comes down to stats in defence Carra Owns all.

You do make me laugh

Anyway Liverpool are playing Colchester in a friendly...

Should be abit of a rivalry on the forum;)

hobbzinio

21-06-2007, 10:32 AM

statistics say it all, when you see the defensive record and goals ratio when ferdinand has been playing for club and country. World class talent.

And laughable me replying like i did? I think not. The reality is Mike Zim really does believe in his head that Rio is a poor player and has shown this on many occasions. And the average claim you throw out, also makes it clear of your biased.

If I made a post saying Carragher was piss poor, you would throw a hissy fit and try to get personal with me and then follow me into other threads, throwing out lame insults...

ROFL

mike-zim

21-06-2007, 10:36 AM

lol i honestly think rio ferdinand is massively over rated. he does the basics that is it. he is not world class. he has been lucky with the partners he has had. they have been so good that they covered for him.

Ant-Shimmin

21-06-2007, 10:40 AM

hobbzinio

21-06-2007, 10:43 AM

BlueStar

21-06-2007, 10:49 AM

EDIT: oops, wrong thread.

Ant-Shimmin

21-06-2007, 11:05 AM

I know when faced with the facts about ur retarded ways around here, you feel the need to fall back to the condescending position, but thats cool. Because being spoken down too by a silly over-excitable, kid like you is hilarious.

And mike -

Wes Brown, Silvestre, Blanc (As a Grandad) and at times Quetin Fortune are hardly world class players, who have partnered Rio.

Get your facts right. Up until Vidics form this season, Rio has single handedly ran our defence for years.

Hobs we have been through this Rio, Carra arguement all the time
, it's been discussed, and all you do is bring it up and irritate me and no doubt the rest of the people who participate in this thread.

I just can't be bothered with you because every thread we have or discussion all you do is try to act the big man, and it's not working.

I'm choosing to ignore you because you are just that narrow minded, laughable and so easy to tick off.

So before we ruin another thread with this petty arguing and your immaturity.

I would like to take this oppertunity for people to watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaPlnFIrYyM

hobbzinio

21-06-2007, 11:08 AM

The fact I did not bring the argument up and you + Mike Zim did, says it all really. You idiot lol

The Liverpool fans catalyst 9/10 of the arguments in this thread.

Ant-Shimmin

21-06-2007, 11:10 AM

I only said Rio was shit because I knew you would have a fit...

Oh and The Liverpool fans catalyst 9/10 of the arguments in this thread.... Deal with it

hobbzinio

21-06-2007, 11:17 AM

Ant-Shimmin

21-06-2007, 11:19 AM

I only shared my opinions on Rafa's transfer record, cos i knew u wud have a fit.

And I would hardly say threw a fit, Just countered silly suggestions (rio has always had a world class partner) with hard facts.

Whats that got to do with anything?

Seriously Hobs what ever your trying to achieve stop it, because it isn't working, and were only pissing other people off.

________________________________________

hobbzinio

21-06-2007, 11:21 AM

Keep your comments to football now please ^ The whole me and you thing is getting boring, kinda getting bored of you starting shit up with me, only to end it prematurely by making me out to be the problem to the rest of the forum. Its sorta gay and something a girl would do.

So yeah Mido to fulham was a good signing, I think he will do well there.

Ramar

21-06-2007, 11:26 AM

From neutral perspective.

Carragher > Rio

Any day of the week.

UziT

21-06-2007, 11:36 AM

We should have a poll over whos better Rio or Carra, me being a Manchester United fan I think Rio is good, his carm, he reads the game really really well. Carra is very get in there type of defender, aggresive type...I like him quite alot, So I would compare him to Vidic.....

Noodleman

21-06-2007, 11:51 AM

They're completly different types of players. The better comparison would be Vidic vs Carragher.

But anyway QPR have stolen our assistan manager, we are rumoured to want Mark Kinsella to replace him. Would be nice to have an old player back, bit of a legend as well. As to wether Charlton will let him go....

Ramar

21-06-2007, 12:59 PM

They're completly different types of players. The better comparison would be Vidic vs Carragher.

Thats a cheap cop out. If we can't compare two players of the same position, then what can we compare, length of hair, eye colour?..

Fierce_LiNk

21-06-2007, 01:03 PM

Thats a cheap cop out. If we can't compare two players of the same position, then what can we compare, length of hair, eye colour?..

Rio always reminds me of: http://nindb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/dol/images/cam/gal/gal_sm-t23.jpg

Ramar

21-06-2007, 01:56 PM

Rio always reminds me of: http://nindb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/dol/images/cam/gal/gal_sm-t23.jpg

LMAO. Rio's 'beak' has always reminded me of this fellow

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1633/bigbirdbi4.jpg

Fierce_LiNk

21-06-2007, 01:58 PM

Hahahahahahahah! I see what you mean. :D

harribo

21-06-2007, 02:22 PM

From neutral perspective.

Carragher > Rio

Any day of the week.

So very very true.

/ nando /

21-06-2007, 03:15 PM

The Liverpool fans catalyst 9/10 of the arguments in this thread.

..don't bunch us all together :red:

Roostophe

22-06-2007, 01:07 PM

BlueStar

22-06-2007, 01:33 PM

The Mirror reckon Newcastle have agreed to sign Alan Smith for 3.5m

mike-zim

22-06-2007, 01:41 PM

£3.5m that is bloody cheap. that will be one hell of a signing.

Fierce_LiNk

22-06-2007, 01:46 PM

I hope he doesn't go, would rather he stayed. Like Saha, the problem with Smith is keeping him fit.

BlueStar

22-06-2007, 01:48 PM

Bear in mind it's The Mirror though...

Fierce_LiNk

22-06-2007, 01:49 PM

Bear in mind it's The Mirror though...

I saw it reported in the BBC Football Gossip page, but I take it that they just do a roundup of what all the papers are saying.

khilafah

22-06-2007, 03:21 PM

Why is Steven Taylor blaming Bentley and Agbonlahor for going AWOL? Is he just trying to put the blame on someone else when really it's their own fault for conceding a goal a minute before full-time. I reckon he is.
Besides, wasn't Bentley injured? And MON didn't want Agbonlahor to play in the Tournament because of how much he played for Villa this season.

Scotland need to call up Agbonlahor and play him so he cannot play for England. Agbonlahor should seriously consider it as he is never gonna break into the England squad.

oh and Steven Taylor should be questioning why England are technically poor and cannot keep the ball.

hobbzinio

22-06-2007, 03:24 PM

I hope he doesn't go, would rather he stayed. Like Saha, the problem with Smith is keeping him fit.

I disagree and think the freak leg break is too active in your memory. Because bar that one off, he rarely has long time off injured. Smithy will be a big loss to us

Saha = injury prone.

But im glad fergie is keeping him, cos when hes fit he is amazing.

Roostophe

22-06-2007, 03:26 PM

Scotland need to call up Agbonlahor and play him so he cannot play for England. Agbonlahor should seriously consider it as he is never gonna break into the England squad.

Given the choice, Agbonlahor will want to play for England, and I reckon he will, he played an absolute blinder this season and if he continues to play as well as that in the next few years, then he must be in the England squad.

But then, he does play for the Villa, so...

mike-zim

22-06-2007, 03:29 PM

if he plays that well how long will he be playing for villa?

Roostophe

22-06-2007, 03:39 PM

if he plays that well how long will he be playing for villa?

Being a Villa fan himself, he'll probably want to stay for the rest of his career, like what Ian Taylor and Lee Hendrie planned to do before him, only to be sold when they reached their thirties, so I'd say he'll be at Villa for 10 years.