love or hate, choose someone.

[blumeanie.]

Ok, this is my first thread , please be kind. As this is general chit chat , i would like to know who your most favourite or most despised person from history is and why?. It can be anyone from a politician to a game developer and can stretch back to the beginning of time right up to today. Get posting , we all love or hate somebody , right.

[rokhed00]

I'll sum mine up with a little ryhme

Tony Blair,
What a square,
He wears womens underwear.

[Marshmellow]

My most loved person is my gf caroline, and my most hated person is probably lol im not really sure

[dukkadukka]

my most lvoed person is my mum. i hate to sound cliched but my most hated is george bush.

[Ford Prefect]

hate : Adolf W Bush or George W Hitler, which ever you prefer, either way same monkey faced idiot in charge in the "land of the free" :indeed:

love : typical and predictable answer, my family, may not always like some of them at times but they're still family when it comes down to it.

[masaki86]

I love my family and friends

I hate michael moore

[Dawn]

I love Simon
I hate Dice Man (is it ok to be fictional?)

[Haver]

I love, loved and will love WHONG.

That is all.

[Bowser57]

Love - Juggernaut

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/Umbrax2/Juggernaut.jpg

Hate - Iceman

http://www.vonallmen.tv/simon/iceman.jpg

[Blackfox]

i cant believe some of you guys thing bush or blair are more vile and evil than Hitler.



I was thinking the same thing. Afterall, Hitler started a war that claimed over 50 million lives.

My most loved people are friends & family (cliché FTW)

[Sarka]

Loved: Probably my Mother
Hated: check with me again once I've done the WW1 topic history, but for now, Adolf Hitler.

[ViPeR]

Well I think it has to be obvious, I love my family. As for hating anyone, i'm not sure I would go that far. All the people I hated are now out of my life (no I didn't kill them). I guess i'd probably go for that absolute dumbass that is George Bush.

[JonSt]

My most loved people are my family.

my most dispised person is barry ferguson.

[Shenlong]

Easily most hated comes to hitler, and crazy frog. Most loved, avoiding the cliched, has to be mr blobby and Leonardo from the turtles...oh and elisha cuthbert....oh how i do love her so!

[blumeanie.]

Mmm, good to see bush and hitler as the most despised so far. I also love my family the most ,obviously. I must give a nod to dabookerman as the person i most admire from history is M.K. GANDHI , the way and the method he used to fight the empire makes him ,for me anyway, one of the most decent and honourable human beings that ever lived . Modern leaders today pale in comparison to such a man . Bush is nothing more than a simpleton surrounded by megalomaniacs and blair is just his poodle.

[Platty]

right now i love charlotte from the subways and i hate billy from the subways for getting engaged to her...(i like you really billy)

[Andrew]

I hate almost all politicians. And chavs and gangstas.

Oh and I hate myself for some reason. :(

[Athriller]

my most hated person is probably lol im not really sure

Amen. I fucking hate that guy!

[Raining_again]

i dont love anyone special, apart from the majority choice, of friends and family.

I hate people that screw me over, do really bad undeserved things to me, i dont waste my hate on celebs i dont know, just disklike 90% of them :heh:

i try not to hate too many people, just puts me in a really bad mood :P

[Dieter]

I love, loved and will love WHONG.

That is all.

WHONG would love seeing that, because WHONG loves Haver and speaking in third person is what WHONG's all about!

Love: Friends and family, Kaolla Su (:heh:), a few 'special' friends..

Hate: Jack Thompson, GW Bush and most chavs (for no reason, but my stereotyping them is usually right, sadly)

[|Laguna|]

Love, meh, family and stuff




HATE: Ronald McDonald, and peadophiles.

:mad: Look at bloody Ronald, lovin that tit massage :mad:
http://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/NR/rdonlyres/139C6E7A-2FC7-4F64-A89E-411E24D28CB0/0/ericronald.jpg

[AshMat]

I love: Family obviously but toherwise then my.. no erm hmm. Them fit girls at school that dont know that i think they're fit...
I hate:Sony, george Wanker Bush

[Charlie]

Rokhed, apart from Gordon Brown, who would you like to see as PM? Personally, I don't anyone else would be capable of doing the job..

Love: I'm not going to be boring and say family. I'm going to go with Bono from U2, he's created beautiful music and does a lot of good in the world.
Hate: Hitler and co (other dictators)

[jakeee]

Love: Bruce Lee, Shigeru Miyamoto, my family

Hate: Tarja Halonen (The president of Finland) + the bad guys (Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Stalin etc.)

[Grebe]

Love: Susan Kennedy
Hate: James Quinn (you know who you are son)

[Blackfox]

Hate: James Quinn (you know who you are son)

Aww cheers man. I fucking hate you too. I hope you get syphillis.








Also, to all the people who said that hate George Bush: Post your lists of reasons why. And don't go to Google either ;)

[rizz]

1. Because he started a war.
2. Because everyone else does.

[Hero of Time]

Love: my family, friends and especially my gf.
Hate: I don't really hate people. :s

[Triple_C]

Love, friends and family (duh.......)
Hate, Barney McCaffery, Ryan Donelly

[Raining_again]

if you wanna hate some sorta polititian it should be blair. hes in control of this bloody country.

Yeah, hes just a bloody puppy dog when it comes to bush, but he should be strong and able to make up his own mind about things like this!

[JonSt]

I think some people hate blair just cause its fashonable too, most people dont have a clue why he's hated.

[Andrew]

I think some people hate balir just cause its fashonable too, most people dont have a clue why he's hated.
Almost everyone knows he made up all that bullshit about Iraq having WMD's just so he could help Bush invade them. That's why he's hated.

[BeerMonkey]

Loves: MISTAHHHHH...KENNEDY.............................. .................KENNEDY!!

Hates: my old school bully sam williams

[Blackfox]

I think some people hate blair just cause its fashonable too, most people dont have a clue why he's hated.

JACKPOT!!

Yes, i find with the majority of people they hate Bush becuase either Greendday say so, or, its "cool" too. Perhaps if they reseacrhed it a little, and found out he tax-cut the rich at the expense of teh poor and has corrupt business practises etc etc then they could hate him for that.

I also hate it when people go on about Blair. Right, he went to war - whcih i now feel was a mistake. But people only remember that mistake.

They forget the massive boost of public spending his government has pledged in the NHS, education, police etc etc.

And yes, Booker is right, There is no way on hell that GWB is worse than Hitler, worse than Pol Pot, Adi Amin, Saddam Hussain and the rest. Open your eyes; and stop listening to Greenday.

EDIT: Sorry for taking this thread off topic, just felt i had to vent some fustration.

[Grebe]

JACKPOT!!

Yes, i find with the majority of people they hate Bush becuase either Greendday say so, or, its "cool" too. Perhaps if they reseacrhed it a little, and found out he tax-cut the rich at the expense of teh poor and has corrupt business practises etc etc then they could hate him for that.

I also hate it when people go on about Blair. Right, he went to war - whcih i now feel was a mistake. But people only remember that mistake.

They forget the massive boost of public spending his government has pledged in the NHS, education, police etc etc.

And yes, Booker is right, There is no way on hell that GWB is worse than Hitler, worse than Pol Pot, Adi Amin, Saddam Hussain and the rest. Open your eyes; and stop listening to Greenday.


Shuttup you fucking Blairite

Yes i agree with your points on George Bush, but I think all the positives you have about Blair are stemming from the fact that he was resurecting parliament from a thatcherite reign. John Major to be fair attempted to reinstill some balance, however he was shunted, and fair enough, he wasnt ruthless enough. However, Blair has changed back to a pre thatcherite government, with some style of the old Labour party. Yet he took us into a war which basically we had no right to participate in. Blair has turned Labour into a Right wing party in my view. It was an illegal war and he is a war criminal. Period.

Blair has no idea anymore how to run a country. He has progressed from the chaos that Margeret Thatcher created, yet he can not progress any further and in this political climate, what he offers is not enough, and it is time for him to step down, or at least it was 2 years ago.

Brown is the only candidate that can be PM at this moment in time, no questions.

[Blackfox]

Ok, perhaps the improvements wer a stark contrast to the Thatcherite movement which totally fucked this country sideways. - he has made a shitload of improvements though. However, whether he was pushed to go to war or actually belived the evidence - the jury is still out. I dont think that we should judge a person becuase of one mistake.

I would like to see Brown as PM, i would also liek to see a more left wing labour. A proper governemt for the peopleand not for money.

[blumeanie.]

Dear o dear , looks like this thread of mine has degenerated into some serious political point scoring contest . This was never my intention (cough). Anyway lets just settle the argument and ask those poor iraqis if they want bush&blair or saddam back eh?

[Mundi]

i can´t beleive only one person has said Jack Thompson comon! That man standa against everything we nerds love, senseless violence :p (or just video games). but i can´t bring myself to say i hate Hitler... why? well i know he did lot´s of horrible things buuuuuut if he hadn´t invaded Danmark then iceland would propaly still be controll under the danish

Love? meeeeeee ofcourse and all of these other people around me

[JonSt]

i think if it werent for blair, most of us would be getting £3 minimum wage

True, blair has introduced a lot of iniatives that have helped the more working class people, Wether he was forced to go to war or not is something we probably will never know, but imo he was right too.

[Haden]

JACKPOT!!

Yes, i find with the majority of people they hate Bush becuase either Greendday say so, or, its "cool" too. Perhaps if they reseacrhed it a little, and found out he tax-cut the rich at the expense of teh poor and has corrupt business practises etc etc then they could hate him for that.

I also hate it when people go on about Blair. Right, he went to war - whcih i now feel was a mistake. But people only remember that mistake.

They forget the massive boost of public spending his government has pledged in the NHS, education, police etc etc.

And yes, Booker is right, There is no way on hell that GWB is worse than Hitler, worse than Pol Pot, Adi Amin, Saddam Hussain and the rest. Open your eyes; and stop listening to Greenday.

EDIT: Sorry for taking this thread off topic, just felt i had to vent some fustration.

Blackfox I love you and want to have your babies

This on the other hand

Blair has turned Labour into a Right wing party in my view. It was an illegal war and he is a war criminal. Period.

Blair has no idea anymore how to run a country. He has progressed from the chaos that Margeret Thatcher created, yet he can not progress any further and in this political climate, what he offers is not enough, and it is time for him to step down, or at least it was 2 years ago.

is just embarrising especially as you seem to know a fair amount about politics. Right so Blair is a war criminal, let me guess your one of those cool people that has a t-shirt that says BLIAR! Viva the revolution!

[Ramar]

JACKPOT!!

Yes, i find with the majority of people they hate Bush becuase either Greendday say so, or, its "cool" too. Perhaps if they reseacrhed it a little, and found out he tax-cut the rich at the expense of teh poor and has corrupt business practises etc etc then they could hate him for that.

I also hate it when people go on about Blair. Right, he went to war - whcih i now feel was a mistake. But people only remember that mistake.

They forget the massive boost of public spending his government has pledged in the NHS, education, police etc etc.

And yes, Booker is right, There is no way on hell that GWB is worse than Hitler, worse than Pol Pot, Adi Amin, Saddam Hussain and the rest. Open your eyes; and stop listening to Greenday.

EDIT: Sorry for taking this thread off topic, just felt i had to vent some fustration.


Amen to that brother!

[Athriller]

Let's all randomly talk about politics!

[Charlie]

To be honest, I think the war in Iraq was a good thing. Sure, they didn't find any WMD's but they got a dictator out of power who was killing loads of people for no reason at all. Less people have been killed since the war officially "ended" than in the 2 years by the war than would've been killed/tortured by Saddam Hussein.

How do you know he lied about WMD? The intelligence we got was wrong and we went to war because of it.

[Arragaun]

Love: Susan Kennedy
Hate: James Quinn (you know who you are son)
Aww cheers man. I fucking hate you too. I hope you get syphillis.

Ah comradeship.
I hate Rupert Murdoch and I love Neil from Canada, who robbed me of four quid.

[Raining_again]

i feel really horrible when i think of the people that were killed but now its done. we cant change back time, it wont make any difference shouting at Blair and Bush.

Hopefully it will help us learn and maybe in time Iraq can be safe for future generations. lets face it, it wasnt then, isnt now, but COULD be.

i agree with what some people have said on the topic of blair doing some good, we are really lucky to live in society that we do. where we dont have to go to bed every night frightened we won't live to see tommorow, like a lot of people do.

If you are unhappy with Blair, vote him out.

[Platty]

i actually really like Blair, he has done a lot for this country, pulled it out of the crapper when the conservatives were in charge.

leave him alone.

[Haden]

Hopefully it will help us learn and maybe in time Iraq can be safe for future generations. lets face it, it wasnt then, isnt now, but COULD be.

Exactly, I hate it when people just look at the short term in situations. Its an insult to the Iraqi people more than anyone. Sure things were stable under Sadamm but it was an awful place to live in and no-one can deny how cruel he was.

I am also a big fan of Mr Blair and believe he has done more good than harm for this country.

[Raining_again]

thank god someone agrees with me! im sure when he was making these (slightly rash) decisions he had the best intentions for the country. im sure all he wanted them to have the oppurtunities that we all take for granted.

we have so much that they dont and perhaps he was a little carried away with this. but one day i hope Iraq sees the benefit of all this.

If i was iraqi, I know for a FACT i would die for my country, if i knew future generations would not have to feel the torture, pain and panic that they do now.

[Johelian]

I wonder how many more people will die now through extremist action though? You talk as though Iraq has magically been saved (at least the oil is safe I guess); people are still dying now, both for their country and as civilians in this war - only now Westerners can die as well. At least its a democracy. Hurray for politics!

I think its pretty cute that you think Greenday must be the prime influence for an argument against you. But then, I guess if you must always fight to be against the norm, I guess you must be used to making some pretty sweeping claims.

I believe we had a poster on CE called Maxman who lived in Iraq...I would like to hear his views on what its like to live there now after this interference.

On topic;
Love - family and boyfriend (real surprise)
Hate - No-one really. No-one that any of you would know anyway. Hatred takes too much effort on my part.
________
Jiangling motors (http://www.ford-wiki.com/wiki/Jiangling_Motors)

[Raining_again]

i never said it is all saved now.

it wasnt then, isnt now, but COULD be.

[Offerman]

I don't really have many strong political views...although I think tres Cannabis should be legalised.

Anywho I digress...

I love my family, well I love Mum and Dad. My sister really grinds my gears, mainly due to her foolishness on all matters.

And I hate...well shallow minded people.

[Grebe]

Blackfox I love you and want to have your babies

This on the other hand



is just embarrising especially as you seem to know a fair amount about politics. Right so Blair is a war criminal, let me guess your one of those cool people that has a t-shirt that says BLIAR! Viva the revolution!


How is it embarrasing? The Iraq war was illegal no? Blair took us into that war on illegal and unfounded pretenses and therefore I see Blair as a war criminal. You cannot call Hitler, Stalin, Hussaine etc war criminals for the mass murder of innocent people during wars and not label Blair one.

And no, no i dont have one of those tee shirts you mention, and no, im not especially excited by a revolution as there is no one to front that revolution that in my eyes deserves to overthrow Blair. The only party i would ever support in parliament at this moment in time is the Greens and we all know the chances of that......

So no, dont label me because i have a problem with Tony Blair. I have my views, you have yours, no need to be all elitist jease....

You can tell I will never be a politician

EDIT: How the fuck can you say life is better for the Iraqi people? Sure it might be in 10 years time when America has demolished whats left of civalisation there. How can suicide bombings every day be good for a society? Sure its one thing knowing your leader is a fucked up sadist (i think we all agree on that) but at least you can stay low and have some stability. With all the civil war and ther constant blood shed i wouldnt know when my time was up. Lets face it, if America had done things properly, Iraq would be a civilised democratic society by now and there would be no stories of death. If they had waited for the UN to back them, which they may not have anyway which also may be the right decision, lives would have been saved.

Oh and, God told me to do it. Comprendé?

I think its pretty cute that you think Greenday must be the prime influence for an argument against you. But then, I guess if you must always fight to be against the norm, I guess you must be used to making some pretty sweeping claims.

Hahaha backed

[Grebe]

i bet all of you guys think kennedy was the best president ever...wrong...he started the vietnam war.

But at least he attempted to sort out the problems in his own country before swanning off into another. Kennedy was a pioneer for human rights, no one can question that. What has Blair done? nothing.....

[Owen]

I like Blair and Bush. I obviously don't want people from our country going to war, but it was the right thing to do! I cannot hate people, who generally do have the safety of their country as a worry on their minds, and they are trying their best to sort it out! However thats just my opinion, you are allowed your own opinion on Blair and Bush.

LOVE: My family, the few friends i have (mainly girls), i don't trust anyone really, thats why i only have a few friends, Jake Gyllenhaal (superb actor, my idol), oh and anyone else i idolise!

HATE: The boys who bullied me at school for ruining my confidence, anyone who slates my music choice because 'they' don't like it (thats just pathetic), theres loads of people i 'dislike' but i wouldn't say 'hate' thats a strong word.

:awesome:

[Haden]

I wonder how many more people will die now through extremist action though? You talk as though Iraq has magically been saved (at least the oil is safe I guess); people are still dying now, both for their country and as civilians in this war - only now Westerners can die as well. At least its a democracy. Hurray for politics!

Yep and why do you think the extremists and Sadam loyalists are getting so desperate as to sacrifice themselves as weapons? Because they see the transition of power from a privlaged few to the people of Iraq. Of course things will be worse to begin with, look over history and you will see the lenghts people will go to to stop their grip on pwoer being eroded. Communist Russia is a prime candidate here, eastern Europe was a travesty.

How is it embarrasing? The Iraq war was illegal no? Blair took us into that war on illegal and unfounded pretenses and therefore I see Blair as a war criminal. You cannot call Hitler, Stalin, Hussaine etc war criminals for the mass murder of innocent people during wars and not label Blair one.

Wow the UN called it illegal, the amount of UN laws that Sadam ignored and broke is remarkable. And please don't try and compare Blair with Hitler etc.

: How the fuck can you say life is better for the Iraqi people? Sure it might be in 10 years time when America has demolished whats left of civalisation there. How can suicide bombings every day be good for a society? Sure its one thing knowing your leader is a fucked up sadist (i think we all agree on that) but at least you can stay low and have some stability. With all the civil war and ther constant blood shed i wouldnt know when my time was up. Lets face it, if America had done things properly, Iraq would be a civilised democratic society by now and there would be no stories of death. If they had waited for the UN to back them, which they may not have anyway which also may be the right decision, lives would have been saved.

I said that later life will hopefully be better for the Iraqi people. Do you know what Sadam did to the civilisation of his people? He literally tore it apart, he made ancient relics and walls have his name put on it. He repressed education causing intellectuals to leave. America on the otehr hand is setting up institutions to try and help the rise of Iraq. And as for staying low and living under Sadam thats just immoral. He was making mass graves of people, killing families I wouldn't want to just 'stay quiety' under such a man. The thing with the UN is that France had a veto that they said they would have used no matter what. But I do agree that with the UN it would have been a smoother ride.

[BeerMonkey]

isnt this a Love/Hate thread somewhere all i see is bush/blair stuff

[Athriller]

its funny how uneducated some of you people are. hitler, stalin and other dictators were evil. they were rich men amongst poor people.


Hitler had to paint pictures on the streets of Austria to make money. Stalin, or Josef Vissarionovich as he was known in his young days, came from a family of 2 dead siblings, an overworked mother, and a wife beating mishap of a dad. Neither were particularly rich men among poor people.

so then. bush and blair, have their own gestapo yeah. people in this country are not allowed to vote yeah. you guys really need to get some facts first.

I think you're taking this for granted here. Bush and Blair have their own secret police to deport Jews, homosexuals, ethnic minorities and disabled people to have them murdered?

i bet all of you guys think kennedy was the best president ever...wrong...he started the vietnam war.


Kennedy did not start the war, he merely provided the Southern Vietnamese with aid and troops. The gulf on tonkin incident under the Johnson regime escalated the hostility to war. Sure, he screwed up with the bay of pigs fiasco, but he also stopped an almost inevitible nuclear holocaust.

Just sayin'.

[Pancake]

It's sad that George Bush is more hated than Osama Bin Laden (Osama must be having a right laugh about that). We all know that Bush is thick as shit but all the hate he gets should really be going to people like Osama Bin Laden instead.

Anyway, my most loved: My mum
Most hated: Terrorists, murderers, rapists who basically spoil things for decent people.

[blumeanie.]

Delivering democracy at the point of a machine gun or from 20,000ft through the bomb doors , yeah, i also hate terrorists.

[Grebe]

How can you not compare Blair to Hitler and Stalin? Yes Hitler killed thousands possibly millions of jews, however does that mean that Blair and Bush should be excused for the thousands they have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? DOes that mean they should have the right to jail a person for 90 days without reason? I believe these types of punishments and actions were the basis on which Hitler based his death camps on.

Bush and Blair will never be able to control these insurgent groups unless they go around killing and jailing anyone who has the remostest link to the subject, therefore they will never completely contain whichever groups are responsible for the dialy bombings.

I dont see any evidence of a power shift in Iraq. I believe that$202,489,507,814
could have gone to much better use personally.

[Grebe]

Im not saying that Blair and Bush are as bad as Hitler in no way, shape, nor form. however i am saying that locking potentially innocent people away for 90 days without a court verdict, is a small form of Hitlers actions. And it could rise up to be almost as bad in my view if there isnt a stop to it.

[Grebe]

asian hater :D ......

[Triple_C]

No point in hating the person who rules the country is there?

[Wesley]

Some members of my family, friends and my girlfriend.

People I hate? About 3 people who have a dislike towards me.

[Calza]

I would have to say i hate the men in the sports center (in the changing room) when we just had P.E. :eek:

[cheets]

Love : my mother and my sister and her baby kid, they stopped me from killing myself, well they didnt but i couldnt do it because of them.

Hate: the peopel that think they can hurt people because its fun, bullies, cocky people, peopel who like to look good infront of there mates. aka utter wankers

[#1cubeplayer]

Hm....plenty of very intelligent coversation here. Except for the Greenday comment, that was bloody low.

I love my family, friends, and some other people.
I hate racists. Period. Especially the ones who end up making racist comments when speaking about immigration, legal or illegal.

[JonSt]

im surised no ones called me a racist...or i guess everyone is aware that i am half indian...

yes racists...burn them in hell

Dabooker you racist. Yes burn them all, all the racist burn in hell.

[Blackfox]

Hm....plenty of very intelligent coversation here. Except for the Greenday comment, that was bloody low.



Not really. Apologies to those who I offended. Greenday just piss me off :P

[JonSt]

Not really. Apologies to those who I offended. Greenday just piss me off :P

How could you say that foxy. Greenday are like so good, just amazing musicians. The way they talk about politics is so refined and mature. :hehe:

[RATM_4_EVA]

Hitler had to paint pictures on the streets of Austria to make money. Stalin, or Josef Vissarionovich as he was known in his young days, came from a family of 2 dead siblings, an overworked mother, and a wife beating mishap of a dad. Neither were particularly rich men among poor people.



I think you're taking this for granted here. Bush and Blair have their own secret police to deport Jews, homosexuals, ethnic minorities and disabled people to have them murdered?




Kennedy did not start the war, he merely provided the Southern Vietnamese with aid and troops. The gulf on tonkin incident under the Johnson regime escalated the hostility to war. Sure, he screwed up with the bay of pigs fiasco, but he also stopped an almost inevitible nuclear holocaust.

Just sayin'.
yep, dont forget the "Bay of Pigs". not everyone is perfect. but he was a one of the best. imo.

[Arragaun]

How could you say that foxy. Greenday are like so good, just amazing musicians. The way they talk about politics is so refined and mature. :hehe:
Oh I couldn't agree more.

[Triple_C]

Huh???????? Theres a person out there who doesn't like Greenday???????

[|Laguna|]

yep, dont forget the "Bay of Pigs". not everyone is perfect. but he was a one of the best. imo.

Aye, but remember how close Kennedy came to a nucleur holocaust with the Russians. He sent the ex comm members to go home and say goodbye to their families. He beleived it was going to happen, as did the USSR.
Also Kennedy also screwed up the Cube situation prior to the Bay of Pigs as Castro asked the Americans for a wee loan so he could help stimulate the economy. Kennedy refused thus forcing him to turn to another place with available money. The USSR.
Kennedy then worsend the situation with the bay of pigs attack which persuaded Castro the Americans were trying to kil him (which they were, they even sent exploding cigars!!!!!!! :awesome: ) so Castro asked for Soviet protection.
However the Bay Of the Pigs was one of the things that made Kennedy a better president as after this failure and the whole Paris Summit diasater (when in talks an American U2 plane was brought down in Soviet terrortory, which was most obviously a spying plane and yet Kennedy claimed that they were simply studying the weather nd refused to apologise) :hmm: lead Kruschev to think that Kennedy was weak and a walk over wihch lead to the Russians setting up missiles in Cuba. Kennedy then, humilated publicly by this, took a hard hard line on the Cuban crisis. Which IMO was a tad bit unfair but I think neccesary, as Communism was still a great American fear and if he was humilated again the public would not think him up to the job. Kennedy allready had his doughters as he began President at a very young age.
Anyways Kennedy accused the Soviets of pushing the world to the "abyss of nucleur catasprohe"
This is extremly unfair as US had Jupiter Missiles in Turkey aimed at Russia which was the same distance away from The USSR that the Cuban missiles were from Florida. Kruschev was simply creating a nucleur balance IMO.

[#1cubeplayer]

im surised no ones called me a racist...or i guess everyone is aware that i am half indian...

Why does it surprise you that nobody has called you racist?

[Triple_C]

Yeah, I'm wondering that too.