View Full Version : Iwata is ‘One of World’s Best CEOs’
Dante
27-03-2007, 05:18 PM
Financial info-outlet Barron’s has named Nintendo boss Satoru Iwata as one of the world’s leading CEOs.
In its annual feature published this week, the website stated, “Little more than a year ago, it looked like game-over for Nintendo as Microsoft and Sony duked it out over the next generation of gaming consoles. Iwata, 47, changed all that with Wii. The strikingly innovative console converts body motions like the swing of a tennis racquet into ac-tions on a screen. Meanwhile, Nintendo’s Brain Age, aimed at boomers fearful of losing mental acuity, has be-come one of America’s top-selling games.
”Result: Kyoto, Japan-based Nintendo’s earnings are jumping and its cash hoard has swelled to more than $6 billion. Iwata, a former game developer, says his strategy is simple: We are not fighting against other companies—we are fighting against ignorance of video games.” Certainly, no one is in the dark anymore about Nintendo’s potential.”
Feature can be found here. (http://online.barrons.com/public/article/SB117469289796447454-RYz8qWE3C85u1j31K_IL4UZx7R8_20070423.html?mod=9_00 02_b_free_features)
Fierce_LiNk
27-03-2007, 05:24 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, he has really turned things around for Nintendo. I dread to think what the situation would be like now if he hadn't taken control.
Jasper
27-03-2007, 05:31 PM
True and very, very right. He is a saviour. Odd that Yamauchi chose him - with such a radical different vision from Yamauchi's own...
ShadowV7
27-03-2007, 05:35 PM
And what a sweet ass....
On a serious note he has done really well with Nintendo and turned things around for them.Making things simple and not complicated was a good thing.Well done,we salute you :)
Hellfire
27-03-2007, 05:58 PM
No doubt about that he really turned Nintendo around.
flameboy
27-03-2007, 06:18 PM
Well I used to love Yamauchi, but Iwata has without a doubt turned Nintendo's direction...
Fresh
27-03-2007, 06:21 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, he has really turned things around for Nintendo. I dread to think what the situation would be like now if he hadn't taken control.
Sega anybody?
Jasper
27-03-2007, 07:46 PM
Well I used to love Yamauchi, but Iwata has without a doubt turned Nintendo's direction...
Let me get this straight: you love batman leather-face Yamauchi? Lovely. it's like nobody would ever say it.
Kurtle Squad
27-03-2007, 08:06 PM
Yamauchi is Satan himself.
seamus_aran
27-03-2007, 08:14 PM
Yamauchi was a small fish playing in a big pond.
Nintendo is making its OWN pond...
I'lve said it once or twice. And I'll say it again. Satori Iwata; Salvation of Nintendo.
Ramar
27-03-2007, 08:15 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, he has really turned things around for Nintendo. I dread to think what the situation would be like now if he hadn't taken control.
Aye,Yamauchi had no idea, he was just pulling the company down.
mcj metroid
27-03-2007, 08:29 PM
yamauchi was a do it or die but times have changed and people don't respond well to threats anymore.
anybody read game over?
it really gave an insight into him
flameboy
27-03-2007, 08:34 PM
Let me get this straight: you love batman leather-face Yamauchi? Lovely. it's like nobody would ever say it.
Yamauchi is Satan himself.
Aye,Yamauchi had no idea, he was just pulling the company down.
I do have my reasons for loving Yamauchi, he was the man who after all transformed Nintendo from card making, brothel owning (although I still believe they do own the brothel) taxi running to the gaming giant we now know, whilst there is no doubting he was a stubborn old fart and there is little doubt that in the modern gaming climate he wouldn't have stood a chance although he did have an eye for innovation and without him I think a lot of Nintendo's early gaming projects would never have got green light.
To say he had no idea is a bit strong, why not read Game On (I think it's the title, or maybe its Game Over, actually Game Over I think) a book about the history of Nintendo you will realise how astute he really was.
But I am still grateful for him moulding the foundations of the Nintendo (which was of course his families company after all) that we know and love now, and despite his famous stubborn nature, he was a character still! So yes I do love him!
Yamauch rocks!! He said the funniest things!
"People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games."
and
"If the DS succeeds, we will rise to heaven, but if it fails we will sink to hell."
Jasper
27-03-2007, 08:46 PM
I do have my reasons for loving Yamauchi, he was the man who after all transformed Nintendo from card making, brothel owning (although I still believe they do own the brothel) taxi running to the gaming giant we now know, whilst there is no doubting he was a stubborn old fart and there is little doubt that in the modern gaming climate he wouldn't have stood a chance although he did have an eye for innovation and without him I think a lot of Nintendo's early gaming projects would never have got green light.
To say he had no idea is a bit strong, why not read Game On (I think it's the title, or maybe its Game Over, actually Game Over I think) a book about the history of Nintendo you will realise how astute he really was.
But I am still grateful for him moulding the foundations of the Nintendo (which was of course his families company after all) that we know and love now, and despite his famous stubborn nature, he was a character still! So yes I do love him!
Adam, I was justt referring to his seemingly dangerous look. I never questioned his choice making (though I must ask: why would he choose Iwata? He did a great job, but it's pretty anti-Yamauchi-theory, no?)
flameboy
27-03-2007, 08:58 PM
Adam, I was justt referring to his seemingly dangerous look. I never questioned his choice making (though I must ask: why would he choose Iwata? He did a great job, but it's pretty anti-Yamauchi-theory, no?)
I know I was just quoting everyone that had bashed him lol!
Game Over is the name of the book I was talking about before, it's by David Sheff just found it, worth finding a copy if anyone can!
McMad
27-03-2007, 09:29 PM
Wasn't Yamuachi the idiot that also messed up Nintendo's relations with Squaresoft back in 90s?
Probably the reason why he made that RPG comment.
I like Iwata for what he's done for the company and the Japanese industry but still, it seems like the only new IPs we'll ever see out of Nintendo again will be for casual gamers.
The only 'Touch Generations' game I ever bought was Nintendogs and I thought it was crap, Brain Training and the others don't warrant the price IMO.
I like the new Nintendo, and I'm starting to hate it too at the same time.
Shino
27-03-2007, 09:35 PM
Wasn't Yamuachi the idiot that also messed up Nintendo's relations with Squaresoft back in 90s?
Probably the reason why he made that RPG comment.
I like Iwata for what he's done for the company and the Japanese industry but still, it seems like the only new IPs we'll ever see out of Nintendo again will be for casual gamers.
The only 'Touch Generations' game I ever bought was Nintendogs and I thought it was crap, Brain Training and the others don't warrant the price IMO.
I like the new Nintendo, and I'm starting to hate it too at the same time.
I completely understand and agree.
Jasper
27-03-2007, 10:14 PM
Wasn't Yamuachi the idiot that also messed up Nintendo's relations with Squaresoft back in 90s?
Probably the reason why he made that RPG comment.
I like Iwata for what he's done for the company and the Japanese industry but still, it seems like the only new IPs we'll ever see out of Nintendo again will be for casual gamers.
The only 'Touch Generations' game I ever bought was Nintendogs and I thought it was crap, Brain Training and the others don't warrant the price IMO.
I like the new Nintendo, and I'm starting to hate it too at the same time.
The RPG-thing, that was because Nintendo opted for a cart instead of disc-based media. They never got that sorted out again, though. But I see that you love and hate it too. I've got the feeling that, for regular hard-core games, I might consider getting myself a PS3 or X360 just to play some real games and be part of a community that's much smaller. It's just my sympathy (and low-budget life) that keeps me from going there.
Kurtle Squad
27-03-2007, 10:15 PM
Wasn't Yamuachi the idiot that also messed up Nintendo's relations with Squaresoft back in 90s?
Probably the reason why he made that RPG comment.
Nono....The reason for the break up with Squaresoft was that comment.
Hellfire
27-03-2007, 11:44 PM
Yamauchi rocks. In a dictator sort of way.
Shino
27-03-2007, 11:47 PM
Yamauchi rocks. In a dictator sort of way.
Just like Salazar.
The Lillster
28-03-2007, 02:13 AM
I might consider getting myself a PS3 or X360 just to play some real games
What's a real game?
or is that a typo for 'realistic'?
Blue_Ninja0
28-03-2007, 02:15 AM
Just like Salazar.
Shameless victory.:nono:
Wow, did Yamauchi actually said that about the DS?
I already knew about the RPG one.
What's a real game?
Good one.
Patch
28-03-2007, 08:21 AM
Didn't Yamauchi also claim he didn't play videogames? I may have imagined that, but I can totally believe it.
I think the first and foremost impression I got from seeing Iwata become CEO is the fact that he was young, at least compared to Yamauchi. I thought to myself 'Here is someone who might actually be a lot more in touch with videogames'.
Teppo Holmqvist
28-03-2007, 08:30 AM
Didn't Yamauchi also claim he didn't play videogames? I may have imagined that, but I can totally believe it.
Yes and no. He plays computerized chess. :)
flameboy
28-03-2007, 11:22 AM
Yeah Patch, Yamauchi never did play games, he would watch them being demoed and then would pick which was to get realised etc... he did the same with the NES or the famicom as its known in Japan, he watched each of the prospective machines did not play any of them, asked how much they cost, sat and watched the software running and then picked the machine that we now know as the NES/Famicom.
Very odd indeed....
Jasper
28-03-2007, 11:26 AM
What's a real game?
or is that a typo for 'realistic'?
Oh come on - not 'realistic' - just real games. It's fun being able to do something with a controller. Since not eveyone could, it was a charm. The Wii means my brother beats me at games - that's not gaming in that thought. If you want game-art, you go for games on 360 or PS32, if you want commercial everybody me-too games... Wii. That's what I mean with real - games that are hard, engaging and paced...
Teppo Holmqvist
28-03-2007, 11:28 AM
The Wii means my brother beats me at games - that's not gaming in that thought.
How so? Because you can't feel superior to others? And game-art is pretty pretentious way to put it, as Wii is getting serious games too. :)
I'd say Iwata is definetelye one of the best gaming CEOs. It seems the GameCube was so difficult just because of Yamauchi's inheritance, but he really made a change with the DS and Wii now.
Wish he didn't redesign every console after two years though.
The Lillster
28-03-2007, 12:46 PM
Oh come on - not 'realistic' - just real games. It's fun being able to do something with a controller. Since not eveyone could, it was a charm. The Wii means my brother beats me at games - that's not gaming in that thought. If you want game-art, you go for games on 360 or PS32, if you want commercial everybody me-too games... Wii. That's what I mean with real - games that are hard, engaging and paced...
You do realise that PS2 has both the 'game-art' and 'commercial everybody me-too games', right?
So why can't the Wii do the same?
Jasper
28-03-2007, 06:35 PM
You do realise that PS2 has both the 'game-art' and 'commercial everybody me-too games', right?
So why can't the Wii do the same?
Because the Wii isn't a dedicated game console in the meaning of the word. Games are played with cotnrollers, not remotes. Don't get me wrong: I like Wii, but it just isn't that much fun to play games anymore after the initial novelty. It's only for the people who don't play alone. Wii won't do the same - for now it's just a novelty and, while I was previously one of the first to denie the fact, there's nothing around it. I'm very sorry - but I don't like the Wii controller at the moment. I opt for the horizontal position over the vertical one - the classic way is more fun. It's gaming that way, not novelty...
I'm sorry, but the real games appear on the other consoles for now. They play like games, not like novelty. Wii is yet to prove to me that it is more than a novelty. I enjoyed the motorstorm demo on PS3 more than playing with the Wii for the first time. So tell me, what does that mean?
Hellfire
28-03-2007, 07:03 PM
Games are played with cotnrollers, not remotes.
That's ridiculous, controllers have evolved anc changed shape lots of times and this time it took the sape of a remote. With motion sensing and a nunchuck there's nothing stopping it from doing whatever a normal controller can.
Teppo Holmqvist
28-03-2007, 07:16 PM
I'm sorry, but the real games appear on the other consoles for now. They play like games, not like novelty.
Godfather, that is actually much better, precise, and fun than PS3 version, is novelty because it uses wiimote and "real" gamer should use pad? Guys like you were first in line belittling DS controls, and after start drought was over, did U-turn again. Pretentious sheeps.
McPhee
28-03-2007, 07:19 PM
That's ridiculous, controllers have evolved anc changed shape lots of times and this time it took the sape of a remote. With motion sensing and a nunchuck there's nothing stopping it from doing whatever a normal controller can.
Except technology. Currently the Wiimote cant do what a gamepad can, its nowhere near as flexible
The Wii idea is great but its not really a gamers console. I'd liken it more to Karaoke machine, its fun in short bursts with lots of people around but who really does Karaoke alone at home?
Teppo Holmqvist
28-03-2007, 07:23 PM
Except technology. Currently the Wiimote cant do what a gamepad can, its nowhere near as flexible.
How so? Wiimote / nunchuk combo has 14* useable buttons, PS3 and X360 controllers have 16**. In addition wiimote can change some buttons completely into motions. So there is more than enough buttons to replicate old games. Ironically, wiimote / nunchuk combo has even more buttons than Dreamcast had***, same amount as original PSOne controller, and only one button less than Gamecube or N64 controllers. But it is true that there hasn't been many games so far that would use whole arsenal.
* C, Z, A, B, 4 x d-pad, +, -, 1, 2 = 14 buttons
** Square, Triangle, Circle, Box, L1, L2, R1, R2, 4 x D-pad, 2 x click, Start, Select = 16 buttons
*** 4 x D-pad, A, B, X, Y, Start, L, R = 12
My opinion on the Wii control system is its only one analogue thumbstick away from being a traditional gamepad.
Teppo Holmqvist
28-03-2007, 07:32 PM
My opinion on the Wii control system is its only one analogue thumbstick away from being a traditional gamepad.
Pointer can replicate second stick in FPSs, in other genres it isn't really required except for turning camera. In Godfather, this was solved by putting camera into d-pad. In fact, PS2 version used all 16 buttons of pad, and it still turned *better* into Wiimote / nunchuk combo, and Wii version even added few new moves into mix.
Pointer can replicate second stick in FPSs, in other genres it isn't really required except for turning camera. In Godfather, this was solved by putting camera into d-pad.
I hear what you are saying and agree. The wiimote meets my expectations fully as if its utilised correctly by the devs it doesnt miss a trick.
All I am saying is if the second stick was added to the Wiimote it would be a complete modern 'traditional' joypad split in half.
Teppo Holmqvist
28-03-2007, 07:41 PM
All I am saying is if the second stick was added to the Wiimote it would be a complete modern 'traditional' joypad split in half.
Yeah, that's true, but it wouldn't really work because it would tire your thumb on the longer run.
Jasper
28-03-2007, 08:55 PM
Godfather, that is actually much better, precise, and fun than PS3 version, is novelty because it uses wiimote and "real" gamer should use pad? Guys like you were first in line belittling DS controls, and after start drought was over, did U-turn again. Pretentious sheeps.
I'm not saying that we all should revert to the d-pad, pall. I'm sating that right now, there is nothing that makes my Wii more than a novelty and I find it sad. Playing the PS3 in the store really gave me the classic, old feeling of gaming fun. I'm talking about gaming. Should gaming become virtual reality? Hell no - we've already got a reality. Just like movies should stay on the big screen. I'm not talking about graphics here, don't lose track of that. The Wiimote is a nice concept right now, but when is there going to be some big guns showing it off? I had most fun holding the controller in the classic, horizontal position. What i'de like to see is developers that can make inspiring games with - lets count +, - and B too - seven buttons?
I'm just having some problems with the novelty right now. 'Real' games feel like games, not like the real equivalent of it - that's what makes games games to me.
The Lillster
29-03-2007, 12:53 PM
I'm just having some problems with the novelty right now. 'Real' games feel like games, not like the real equivalent of it - that's what makes games games to me.
Then why did you buy a Wii in the first place, if you prefer 'real games' anyway?
As people have said before, the console hasn't even been out a year yet, and already people are writing it off. I mean how the fuck do they know whats going to be on the Wii in the future.
People think because it hasn't got any 'real games' at the moment, it will be like that for the next 5 years.
Hellfire
29-03-2007, 04:59 PM
The only flaw I see in the remote is that it's not easy to incorporate camera control a la WW.
Jasper
29-03-2007, 08:53 PM
Then why did you buy a Wii in the first place, if you prefer 'real games' anyway?
As people have said before, the console hasn't even been out a year yet, and already people are writing it off. I mean how the fuck do they know whats going to be on the Wii in the future.
People think because it hasn't got any 'real games' at the moment, it will be like that for the next 5 years.
Indeed there's some great stuff on the horizon. But for now, all those minigame fests is doing the same thing that put me off DS. I haven't bought a game since December 8th, and I'm not planning on it either. I'll wait for Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. I bought a Wii because I have faith in Nintendo that they'll make something of it. It just doesn't feel right at the moment. I don't think you realy understand what I mean, so I'll try an example.
Wii and, say, PS3 are like theaters and cinemas (I know you English abrely have any difference in them, so think of it as Hamlet and Titanic) - you go to the theater for the real experience and to the movies for the flat, on screen, action-paced and more variable one. They're inevitably in contact with each other, yet there's an important difference. A theater is not a movie - because it's in it's own domain. The Wii is in it's own domain right now - and let's give it: theaters aren't as 'real' as movies are they?
So, that's what I meant with 'real'. I meant that it doesn't feel like the movies anymore, but more of going to the theater - and it has it's charmes, too, but I prefer the movies for now. And yes, we are allowed to say these things even barely three months after the console launch. Let's not forget that, even today, there are great writers writing plays much better than the average movie, but yet doesn't get performed that often or is watched by as many people. The future is sure to bring some good stuff, but if the start isn't good enough of a kick-off, well, people will walk away.
And yes, for now the Wii is condamned to casual, multi-player gaming sessions. But for the 'real' (don't take me on this real) games, I might consider a PS3 or Xbox360 (only for Viva Piñata, that is).
Patch
30-03-2007, 10:03 AM
Except technology. Currently the Wiimote cant do what a gamepad can, its nowhere near as flexible
Buh?
The Wiimote (and nunchuk) can do everything a gamepad can. And a lot more.
Jasper, I really think you should try Excite Truck.
Let's keep it on-topic though... Iwata did great on DS and Wii but he did manage to turn the Cube a failure.
The Lillster
30-03-2007, 02:09 PM
I like the Wii, but after playing the PS3 for a couple of hours, to me PS3 has the better software.
Jasper
30-03-2007, 02:52 PM
Jasper, I really think you should try Excite Truck.
Let's keep it on-topic though... Iwata did great on DS and Wii but he did manage to turn the Cube a failure.
Probably (finally somebodyn that tries to tell me wrong with arguments - that's the way!), but I don't have the money for it (actually, I do, but the value in return is pretty low, it's a short game, not?)
Eddage
30-03-2007, 05:50 PM
Probably (finally somebodyn that tries to tell me wrong with arguments - that's the way!), but I don't have the money for it (actually, I do, but the value in return is pretty low, it's a short game, not?)
Not. It lasts for a fair while actually.
Jasper
31-03-2007, 10:56 AM
Not. It lasts for a fair while actually.
Good to know. I might be tempted to buy the game, then. Oh, on topic: Woot Iwata!
Hal_9Million
31-03-2007, 06:54 PM
Yamauchi was wise to retire and hand the job onto someone younger with fresh ideas. Maybe Ken Kutaragi should do the same and let someone else helm SCE.
Jasper
31-03-2007, 09:07 PM
Yamauchi was wise to retire and hand the job onto someone younger with fresh ideas. Maybe Ken Kutaragi should do the same and let someone else helm SCE.
Leave Ken where he is - that'll keep Nintendo aiming for world domination with nothing in between today and the day they control all those pesky whips (remote-controller, that is). If Kutaragi goes on like this, he"ll kill the playstation brand in a matter of years. Not that anyone should miss them - Microsoft is there to take over and do it even better.
The Lillster
01-04-2007, 03:45 AM
Jasper, the problem is, people will keep buying the playstation brand,no matter what.
Mikey
01-04-2007, 09:18 AM
He turned things around, no doubt, but it's not like Nintendo were going out of business. Nintendo have always made a profit.
Jasper, the problem is, people will keep buying the playstation brand,no matter what.
Somehow I don't think so. The Playstation used to be about accesible gaming, but isn't close to that anymore. Only the really hardcore fans are buying it now.
Besides that, the Xbox has built up a certain fame, and the Wii is getting there too. The Playstation isn't the only video game console around, not even for the main audience.
Jasper
01-04-2007, 10:26 AM
Jasper, the problem is, people will keep buying the playstation brand,no matter what.
Now let's look at history. Somebody back in the day told me that people will keep buying Nintendo-products, no matter what. And then came PlayStation. It's so simple: PlayStation 2 is favorable, but right now it's got to much problems to tackle with the Xbox360 - wich has gained huge popularity. Right now, all Sony can do is lose. They won't get the same market share as the PS2 anymore. The 'they'll buy it, no matter what'-time is over. People don't stay fooled.
You asume that they'll win again because they've done it before, but Nintendo won once, too - and they didn't keep their thing even though they had the better console, did they?
The Lillster
01-04-2007, 01:43 PM
I want to believe you, but I know some people who won't buy the Wii for the simple fact that it's made by Nintendo.
And these people age between 18 - 35.
So unless Sony leaves the console business, these people arn't gonna buy a Nintendo console.
Of course this is anecdotal evidence, but I bet there are lots of people like that.
I want to believe you, but I know some people who won't buy the Wii for the simple fact that it's made by Nintendo.Somehow I don't think those are the people that make a console a success; they're not an awfully large group.
Jasper
01-04-2007, 03:50 PM
Somehow I don't think those are the people that make a console a success; they're not an awfully large group.
Completely right, DCK. They are just a small group of the entire population in gaming. yes, there are always people who don't buy Nintendo - but on the other hand, this forum is full of those people who'll never buy a PlayStation. Okay, not completely right, but then again: I've only bought Nintendo products up untill now, and I think there are many of us out there that do the same. Sorry, lilster, you've yet to convince me.
The Lillster
01-04-2007, 11:32 PM
Jasper, i'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm saying it the way it is.
Do you really think I give a shit about which system sells more!
I don't.
Obviously I want Nintendo to do well, because I like the company.
If they end up in 2nd or 3rd place, so be it!
Anakenobi
02-04-2007, 07:32 AM
Jasper, i'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm saying it the way it is.
You're saying it the way it WAS. Things change.
Once upon a time, before 1983 Atari was synonymous with videogames. In 1985 up to 1989, people used to say "he's/she's playing Nintendo". Nintendo was synonymous with the word videogames. Then Sony came along in 1997 and the Playstation brand name was identified with videogames.
It's 2007 and the Playstation brand name is suffering the same fate as Atari and Nintendo. It's the way it works. Atari started selling crappy games (E.T. the extra terrestrial anyone?) and people put them aside. Nintendo wanted to control their own cartridge format instead of adopting the popular CD format and after they lost third party support, people stopped supporting Nintendo. Now Sony want people to spend a small fortune on a "computer" and plenty of those people are finding BETTER options to spend their money on.
It's silly to think that the Playstation brand name will not suffer the same fate as the other has-been dominant gaming brands. In fact, people have already moved on to other brands. Some new ones (Xbox360) and even to some older ones (Nintendo).
Jasper
02-04-2007, 08:11 AM
Jasper, i'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm saying it the way it is.
Do you really think I give a shit about which system sells more!
I don't.
Obviously I want Nintendo to do well, because I like the company.
If they end up in 2nd or 3rd place, so be it!
Like Anakenobi said, you're seeing the facts from a few years ago. They're not right at the present moment anymore. We all see what's happening to the PlayStation brand? You say it the way it is, well, you've probably been blind all those years because whezn I see a detoriation of a brand, I know.
The Lillster
02-04-2007, 01:42 PM
The PS3 isn't really a bad product, it's just too expensive for most people.
And everyone I know who owns a PS3 thinks it's awesome.
BUT... they also think Wii and X360 is good too, with just a few saying they hate both because their biased.
Basicly what i'm trying to say is the Playstation brand is still strong. But the Wii and the 360 will also do well (obvously).
Fierce_LiNk
02-04-2007, 01:54 PM
To be honest, it's not a console war Sony can win.
Yeah, they may finish on top, but they're losing considerable ground to both Microsoft and Nintendo. Last generation, they launched first, had the best support, and had the mainstream appeal. This generation has seen a turnaround. The 360 has been out for quite some time, advertisements have been going strong and it also has the benefit of a cheaper price tag. Sure, you may end up having to buy extras, but people do not look at this. They look at the 'raw' price of the system. You may have to buy peripherals to enjoy the 360 (like paying for wireless and LIVE), but the initial price is still cheaper, and that's what consumers will see on shop shelves.
The Wii is also doing something different, and also with a cheaper price tag. Support is getting better and better, and Nintendo have finally learned how to advertise.
Trouble is, for quite some time now, gamers are buying more than one system. A single system is simply not enough to fulfill many needs anymore. Myself, I'm happy with the Wii, and I seriously doubt I'll purchase another system. The Wii is different, and so it suits the 'ideal' of being an additional system if you already have a 360 or a PS3. Different sets of games, Nintendo exclusives, etc.
This generation, I think it's forcing consumers to choose between the 360 and the PS3. Nintendo have put themselves to one side and gone to do something different, which will put them into a category of its own. However, personally, I think the 360 and PS3 are trying to aim for the same audience and that's where things will get interesting.
Even if the PS3 finishes on top, Sony are and will lose more ground to Microsoft. The only territory the 360 just can't seem to penetrate is Japan.
He turned things around, no doubt, but it's not like Nintendo were going out of business. Nintendo have always made a profit.
It depends on what you consider the meaning of 'going out of business' is.
Nintendo have never really been a 'loss leading' company & I agree they wont go bankrupt with that nice little kitty of cash they have sat on for years, but I could see them dropping out of a specified market if it wasnt going well for them.
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