Binge Drinking & Alcohol

[conzer16]

To people who have read Dante's post (http://www.n-europe.com/forum/showpost.php?p=390854&postcount=35089) about Ireland being the binge drinking capital of the world.....how many drinks do you have on a regular night out? And how often do you have a night out?

Do you go out to get drunk in a night club with loads of people, or do you prefer a sociable drink with some friends in a quiet pub?

What are NE's opinions on binge drinking and alcohol in general?

[Hellfire]

I can't drink alcohol, because of my stomach :/

[Cube]

how many drinks do you have on a regular night out?

- 0 alcaholic drinks

And how often do you have a night out?

- A few a week

Do you go out to get drunk in a night club with loads of people, or do you prefer a sociable drink with some friends in a quiet pub?

- Sociable drink (usually non-alcaholic for me) in a quiet pub. Can't stand clubs.

[harribo]

I go out rarely and as a result I try to drink as much as I can afford which is not usually much.

[Fierce_LiNk]

I don't drink and for the most part I don't mind being around people who do drink. It's hard choosing what I like more, pubs and clubs. It really does depend from place to place. I've been to some right shitty clubs, but then I've also been to some where I've had great nights.

When going to a pub, usually people don't get too pissed. Sometimes when I've been to a club, a person may get a bit too drunk and will just annoy the hell out of me. Sometimes people do daft things which can be funny to tell them about in the morning, but sometimes they do annoying things too which just....arrrrr.

I think quite a few people do drink too much. Sometimes it does ruin the moment when people get too drunk and it does make me feel a bit awkward from time to time.

On the whole, don't mind people who drink. But, people who get too drunk are a bit hit and miss. Usually a miss. :heh:

[blender]

I like nothing more to neck a quater bottle of whatever and then come on these forums and troll. But usually counter strike is the best way to sober up after a night out.

anyway, on topic.... I hope gaming becomes mainstream enough to get arcade machines back in pubs instead of quizzers. I remember my local use to have an x360 on sunday afternoons on the big screen that was always good. But alcohol + gaming can only be a good thing.

[Jordan]

I really don't drink at all... most people think i'm weird that i don't.

[conzer16]

I find it quite odd how most people who have replied to this topic don't drink. I mean, that I am more used to young people drinking than not drinking. There is everything to be said for abstaining from it, but it just seems odd to me that the majority of replies so far are from people who don't drink!

It's not weird, but unusual where I am from.

[Shino]

I really don't drink at all... most people think i'm weird that i don't.

You are not.

[Hellfire]

I really don't drink at all... most people think i'm weird that i don't.

You're weird.
But not because of that. :P

[Ginger_Chris]

Hmm,

Number of drinks I'll have on a night to a club = 0
Number of drinks I'll have in a quiet night at the pub = 3-4 (6-8 units)
Number of drinks I'll have in a quiet night drinking in the JCR = 5-6 (10-12 units)
Number of drinks I'll have pulling an all nighter = (1-2) 3 - 4 units

I do drink far too much in general, however I never drink so that I'm drunk. I really hate the feeling of not being able to control what I do or say, so I'll usually drink until I feel slightly tipsy (around the 10 unit mark for spirits, 3-4 pints of good cider or ale).

I definitely drink for the taste of good alcohol, rather than the effects of drunkenness. I really hate people who say "I had such an awesome night out, I can't remember a thing".

[Platty]

I can drink quite a bit when I go out but I always know when I have had enough and always manage to get home safe :)

Im not one of those people who say "I can't remember, I was drunk" What a load of old tosh. I always remember exactly what I am doing even if im wasted!!

Im not a massive fan of clubs so to speak but love the bars up town in Londinium which are kinda bar/club places that stay open till the early hours and actually play decent music unlike the generic local clubs with all that house, dance and RnB rubbish.

Infact just the other week I went to a club called Reflex at mansion house (by st pauls cathedral) This club is an 80's club and is awesome. Pure 80's cheese for the whole night and even had a revolving dance floor!!

This friday im going to a bar called Motion which is just by Embankment station. It's quite big and stays open till about 3am and is a pretty decent place with happy hour from 5 - 7:30 where you can get jugs of cocktails for £8 :D

[Caris]

This friday im going to a bar called Motion which is just by Embankment station. It's quite big and stays open till about 3am and is a pretty decent place with happy hour from 5 - 7:30 where you can get jugs of cocktails for £8 :D

Wish i could be like that, i allways end being taken home by someone in a taxi.

[gaggle64]

Only very occasionally. I like a nice wine with a meal sometimes that sort of thing. I've only been properly drunk a couple of times though, I'm not really on the bar scene. Always prefer a good night in, settle in with a film, book or whatever might be on telly, with what ever may be left of the aforementioned wine.

[Eenuh]

I don't really go out anymore (never really did), so there's also no reason for me to drink anything. When I did go out, I would prefer going to a nice pub with friends, where I would usually just have one alcoholic drink (Martini Bianco). When I went to some parties, I tried some beer but I hated it, so now I don't touch it anymore. At one party I drank quite a lot (stuff like vodka and other stuff I don't remember), and I think some guys really wanted to see me drunk, but it never happened. Never been drunk and don't plan on it either. =3

For alcohol, if I were to have something, it'd be stuff like white wine, champagne, a martini. The tasty stuff. And not just because it's alcohol, cause it's stupid to drink to get drunk.

[Rummy]

I find it quite odd how most people who have replied to this topic don't drink. I mean, that I am more used to young people drinking than not drinking. There is everything to be said for abstaining from it, but it just seems odd to me that the majority of replies so far are from people who don't drink!

It's not weird, but unusual where I am from.

I thought that was a bit strange too!

As for me, I hate to say I'm quite a drinker. If I go to a pub and have a drink, I feel like theres no point drinking alcohol unless you get at least a little bit drunk, but the number of drinks I have can vary greatly really. My alcohol tolerance seems quite peaky, sometimes I can have quite alot and not feel anything, sometimes just one or two can get me feeling it, so it affects how much I drink. I do feel a bit like I need to drink, I can't resist, it's bad enough that sometimes I think I'm borderline alcoholic. Sometimes I'll have a beer at home, but in that circumstance I won't be drinking to get drunk, unless it's a party here.
I'm not much of one for clubbing anymore, and try not to drink as much when going to one to save making a tit of myself. I've had quite an awesome time at a club once just out with the lads, and not drinking anything. I prefer a nice sociable sit down in a pub where you can talk, and maybe get a bit of food too. As for how often I have a night out, whenever the oppurtunity presents itself really.
On average, I'd say I have about 4 pints/equivalent maybe on a night out to the pub. I do tend to not just stick to the same drink sometimes, so it's a bit harder to say accurately. At house parties I typically end up having quite a bit more than what I would if I was out at the pub. I won't deny that on more than one occassion I've been drunk enough that I don't remember what happened the night before, passed out/fallen asleep(i stand by the fact i fell asleep), gotten myself into trouble with mates, made a tit of myself, fallen over and a few other stupid things. Only once however, have I ever gotten home and not remembered/figured out how. I woke up in my bed once when I had been at a random party in the middle of nowhere, and still to this day I'm not sure how I got back here.

[Eddage]

--stuff--

That's pretty much the same as me (apart from the whole borderline alcoholic stuff :heh:).

Since my mates all left for uni I don't go out much any more. I have one good friend that didn't go out to uni, however since everyone went back at Christmas I've seen her twice. When another mate came back for the weekend and last weekend when we went to see him at Warwick!

I have had a few nights where I don't remember some stuff, mostly 18th birthday parties. The one morning when I woke up not knowing how I got home was after my 18th birthday party - apparently I was out of it by 10 and had to be carried out!

I tend to drink the most at house parties. For example on New Years i had about 6 Buds and almost a whole bottle of Skittles Vodka, a fair bit more than I usually drink.

[Rummy]

Wow, that's kind of the same as me. The only real thing stopping me from going out more is that everyone's at uni, including people who were still around for me to go out with last year. I don't really think I'm alcoholic, but, I dunno, it's weird. I once visited my mate at uni and went to his uni club, we drank before leaving, and drank snakebites when we got there, I don't remember much, lost my coat, and was apparently carried out by the bouncers. I remember I could barely walk, and felt soooo shit(i had also thrown up all over myself, nice and red!). That incident made me weary of how much I drank for a while.
This reminds me of something I saw on The Wright Stuff(wooo) last week or so, about new drugs classifications that put alcohol as being more dangerous than LSD, I dunno alot about it so don't take much from that unless I can manage to find a source somewhere for whatever it was about.
EDIT:Got one.
The RSA report also recommends that the drug classification system should be replaced by an “index of harms”, based on the damage that a drug causes the user and society, and that said index should, for the first time, include prescription drugs as well as alcohol and tobacco. It recommends, for instance, that alcohol and tobacco should be rated as more dangerous than ecstasy or cannabis. Heroin, cocaine, barbiturates and street methadone would top the list, followed by alcohol — ahead of ketamine and amphetamines. Tobacco would be ninth, ahead of cannabis (11th), solvents, LSD and ecstasy.
From long link (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/india_knight/article1496833.ece). It's got its flaws though, but I don't want to derail this thread discussing that.

I have no problem with people who don't drink, I respect them quite alot in fact, because theres alot of pressure in our society to drink at times. I think alcohol is quite a terrible drug to be addicted to, and I think alot more people are than they would like to admit.

[EEVILMURRAY]

i'm unsure about my drinking state now. My tongue is killing me after my last seizure, which hadn't recovered since the one before that.

I'd like to say I'd give up, but I know I probably won't last long [IE I'll probably have a few pints tonight.]

[ThePigMarcher]

In the past my usual night out consisted of starting out on the pints of bitter - as it is quite heavy on the stomach after about 8-9 pints I would switch to Jack Daniels for the rest of the night , always large with only a tiny dash of coke. Many a night was lost to blackouts.

Nowdays , I can't drink bitter or beer of any sorts as it really screws my guts up so it's JD all the way , although in nowhere near the quantity I used to.

[Zechs Merquise]

I drink a bit on a night out, and I can't stand being around drunks when I'm siber, they are totally irritating on the highest level imaginable.

[Eenuh]

Can someone tell me what's so fun in getting drunk? I don't see the appeal. Getting tipsy, okay, but drunk?

[Eddage]

Can someone tell me what's so fun in getting drunk? I don't see the appeal. Getting tipsy, okay, but drunk?

It's hard to explain really!

For me at least, I'd say it just makes things more enjoyable. Now that probably sounds stupid (why can't things be enjoyable when you're sober, etc). It seems to make dull things enjoyable, e.g. you laugh at stupid things and if you're laughing then you're having fun.

I'm not syaing that I need to get drunk, after all I usually only get drunk when there's quite a few people around and I think that's because I'm quite self conscious!

It's one of those things that you have to do to see why it can be fun, because right now, as I'm typing this, it does seem a bit stupid!

[Shorty]

I only enjoy getting drunk when I'm laughing more. The second someone gets violent the fun goes out of the window, and that's the problem with alcohol IMO. It just makes some people violent. It's also the reason I don't really go out clubbing much or even to crowded pubs, because there's so many personalities about fights are constantly kicking off. I'd rather drink with a group of good friends and just laugh about things. Tell jokes, watch movies, play games, pull pranks, sing, run about - whatever, I enjoy all that stuff. But as the ol' cliché goes, it's all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

[ThePigMarcher]

Can someone tell me what's so fun in getting drunk? I don't see the appeal. Getting tipsy, okay, but drunk?

A good question and a tough one to answer.

I always put my booze intake down to a social thing , ie, meet a few mates for a couple after work and then the next thing is it's closing time. I soon realised that it can't be classed a social drinking when you wake up the following morning not knowing who the hell you were drinking with.


I can't stand being around drunks when I'm siber

Thats part of the reason I pretty much quit drinking. I was walking past a boozer one night and saw a couple of blokes that could hardly stand. I remember turning to my ex and saying how retarded they looked/were acting and when she said that I often ended up looking like that , it was a real eye-opener.

[Ramar]

This topic has come around at the right time to vent some thoughts.

Being a uni student everyone assumes you have to go out regularly and get absolutely rat arsed, spending £20-£50 just getting drunk. Probably because I'm a home student, going into town to get drunk for no reason other to get drunk is very stupid in my opinion. Don't get me wrong I love going out and having a few drinks. But I don't see the point in getting drunk so that you have a hang over the next day when you need to concentrate, and find yourself skint at the end of the month.

You can see why some students have huge debts after uni because they are getting drunk too often. Hell one guy on my course turned up for no lectures, practicals or examinations, yet he was out most nights getting drunk at clubs. Whats the point in that?

I get called boring for not going out to often, my preference on drinking would be a quiet pub, a few drinks while either eating a meal, watching some football or playing fruit machines. I'd also say a few drinks at a gig or event wouldn't go a miss. And obviously celebrations of sorts.

[Ashley]

I used to be what was classed as a binge drinker. Go out once or twice a week and have a few glasses of wine. However since I've moved back home I've found myself having a glass every other night, which worries me a bit more.

I get called boring for not going out to often, my preference on drinking would be a quiet pub, a few drinks while either eating a meal, watching some football or playing fruit machines. I'd also say a few drinks at a gig or event wouldn't go a miss. And obviously celebrations of sorts.

I somewhat concour. I prefer just going to a pub for a few. But a club every once in a while ain't too bad (as long as its not in my shitpit of a town)

[system_error]

This topic has come around at the right time to vent some thoughts.

Being a uni student everyone assumes you have to go out regularly and get absolutely rat arsed, spending £20-£50 just getting drunk. Probably because I'm a home student, going into town to get drunk for no reason other to get drunk is very stupid in my opinion. Don't get me wrong I love going out and having a few drinks. But I don't see the point in getting drunk so that you have a hang over the next day when you need to concentrate, and find yourself skint at the end of the month.

You can see why some students have huge debts after uni because they are getting drunk too often. Hell one guy on my course turned up for no lectures, practicals or examinations, yet he was out most nights getting drunk at clubs. Whats the point in that?

I get called boring for not going out to often, my preference on drinking would be a quiet pub, a few drinks while either eating a meal, watching some football or playing fruit machines. I'd also say a few drinks at a gig or event wouldn't go a miss. And obviously celebrations of sorts.


B O R I N G fits you in my eyes. University is a time of life where you not only study and should live alone for the first time alone. You should meet new and different people, enjoy life with all its leisures aswell.

I go out on weekends (sometimes during the week aswell), sometimes I just stay at home with my girlfriend, I visit and invite friends, we talk, we play, we drink, ...

It is not about drinking but about enjoying your life and I am sorry to say but one day you will probably think why can't I go back and make things different. For that you don't have to be a heavy drinker - I might drink a few beers once a week but the times where I am really drunk are long over. I would say I prefer a quiet pub with my friends more than spending a fortune on booze.

[Chris the great]

I'm a binger, i was worse last year, first day of the second term in 1st year i did a whole large bottle of southern comfort, a large bottle of tiger beer, a few cans, and then im not sure what in the bar/club. I was hammered but the good sort, laughing, happy, in controle but no inhibitions.

Lately ive been a bit stupid, ive been drinking on an empty stomach after uni on fridays, its not clever, if you dont eat you get drunk, which is fine, but when you havent eaten, tis a weird drunk.

I did a fair bit of voldka last night, i was getting drunk but voldka just makes me feel sick, so despite my best efforts i didnt get to a decent degree of drunk, then every onejust wanted to stand around in the night club, if your not drunk, clubs can be boring, ended up going home around 1.10-1.30 and didnt bother with a kebab.

For me, getting drunk is great, say what you want about lack of self controle, i have my own theory, drinking resorts people back to a more animal state. think about it, you want food, sex and to be around mates (herd, tribe?) your quicker to be violent and say things decorum would usualy stop you saying. all this means is you should thik more about were you get drunk, like if your with some one who you dont like, maybe you should go easy.

Its fair enough if you don't wanna drink, but i can't stand people looking down at outhers for doing it, so some bodies drunk, oh no, the horror, what ever can we do? it may be due to my parents relationship with alcohal, but i don't think its necicarily a bad thing to get drunk every once in a while, i dont usualy drink unless i plan to get drunk or ocashionaly to relax, i mean, whats better then a nice cold pint after a crappy day?

it seems to me that theres a bit of a nanny state thing going on about binge drinking at the moment, from talking to people i know, binge drinkings ben goig on for eyars, only now do people have a problem with it.

just to put it all in perspective, alcohal has led to some of the best days/nights ive had, but it wasn't the soul cause. I spend alot of time around drunks and ive not seen alot of violence, in my opinion most people are alot friendlier when drunk, more willing to talk and dont usualy kick off over nothing. getting drunk isn't big, and it isnt clever, but it is fun. id rather be happy then big and clever.

[welsh_gamer]

I havent touched a drop of alcohol this year so far, as I have always driven if we go out to a club or pub. I do drink tho, and will do on one night out soon when I am not drivin, but I have never been totally pissed, just merry. I don't drink socially either (i,e in the local) as most of my friends live 20+miles away from me.

[Solidus]

<-- Forum's designated driver.

[Aimless]

People talk about getting drunk as if it's a social thing, but I just think it's selfish. It's a way of shelving one's responsibility and passing it on to others — "I couldn't help it, I was drunk." Sure, drunk people might have a good time, but what about everyone else? They're the ones that have to deal with the violence or irrationality, they're the ones that have to clean up after the so-called grownups, and when you're standing on the outside looking in, trust me it really gives you perspective oh how idiotic the whole thing is.

I'm not saying that getting drunk makes you a terrible person, I just think it's sad that it's so ingrained in our culture that people take it as accepted — no, expected — behaviour. I see so many people that live purely for the weekend, people that waste all their money on nightly inebriation, and it's such a depressing sight. It's like they're blind followers of an alcoholic religion.

I've no more problem with people having a glass of wine or the occasional pint than with someone eating a chocolate bar, but if they're going out drinking every night or dining purely on confectioneries then I'm going to be worried. The ancient Greeks had it right all those years ago: everything in moderation. Binge drinking is by definition not moderation.

[Rummy]

Can someone tell me what's so fun in getting drunk? I don't see the appeal. Getting tipsy, okay, but drunk?

When does sober turn tipsy and when does tipsy turn drunk? I'd say drunk is simply an elevated tipsy. How drunk are you talking though, like drunk you find it hard to talk proper, drunk you won't remember anything, drunk that you're falling over? The only problem with getting really drunk, is that it increases the chances of you doing/starting something stupid, but it doesn't happen to everyone.
As for 'binge drinking', isn't the technical definition of binge drinking like more than 5 units at a time or something?

People talk about getting drunk as if it's a social thing, but I just think it's selfish. It's a way of shelving one's responsibility and passing it on to others — "I couldn't help it, I was drunk." Sure, drunk people might have a good time, but what about everyone else? They're the ones that have to deal with the violence or irrationality, they're the ones that have to clean up after the so-called grownups, and when you're standing on the outside looking in, trust me it really gives you perspective oh how idiotic the whole thing is.
That's only true if the people affected accept that as an excuse. Me personally, I don't use being drunk as an excuse for doing any of the stupid things I do when drunk, and I don't expect people to take it as a valid reason either. Alcohol doesn't put anything in you, it doesn't exert some exterior control on you, it just(as chris the great said) breaks down judgement and inhibitions, but the desires and behaviours are already there, they're part of you.

[Platty]

Wish i could be like that, i allways end being taken home by someone in a taxi.

I always get the night bus. My last train is like 00:14 which sucks. But the night bus stops right by my house, however it does take around an hour which is epic but when you're drunk you dont really noctice :yay:

[Eenuh]

When does sober turn tipsy and when does tipsy turn drunk? I'd say drunk is simply an elevated tipsy. How drunk are you talking though, like drunk you find it hard to talk proper, drunk you won't remember anything, drunk that you're falling over? The only problem with getting really drunk, is that it increases the chances of you doing/starting something stupid, but it doesn't happen to everyone.
As for 'binge drinking', isn't the technical definition of binge drinking like more than 5 units at a time or something?

I've never been drunk so I wouldn't know about the different stages. Though in my opinion all of them are bad. I've seen enough drunk people in my life to be turned off by the thought of ever getting drunk myself. It's not a pleasant thing to see, especially when they start throwing up in your cooking pans or just all over themselves (and you have to drag them to the car).

Tipsy is when you start being more open, aren't that afraid to do stuff you wouldn't otherwise. Isn't that enough to have fun? I don't get why you would have to go even further; it'll just spoil it for other people or yourself (forgetting what happened during the night is not my idea of fun).

[rokhed00]

The way they class binge drinking is just stupid nowadays, according to my doctor anything over 6 drinks (or is it units of alcohol) in a 24 hour period is classed as binge drinking. That is just stupid, maybe it's just me but I don't think 6 drinks a day is excessive if it's not everyday, and 6 units definitely isn't. To me binge drinking is something like a 24 hour bender, not half a dozen pints. Stupid government.

[Rummy]

I've never been drunk so I wouldn't know about the different stages. Though in my opinion all of them are bad. I've seen enough drunk people in my life to be turned off by the thought of ever getting drunk myself. It's not a pleasant thing to see, especially when they start throwing up in your cooking pans or just all over themselves (and you have to drag them to the car).

Tipsy is when you start being more open, aren't that afraid to do stuff you wouldn't otherwise. Isn't that enough to have fun? I don't get why you would have to go even further; it'll just spoil it for other people or yourself (forgetting what happened during the night is not my idea of fun).

That's the thing, I think it differs from person to person of how drunk drunk is, most people will say that beyond the point of remembering is too drunk. Others may think it's where you start slurring words and so on. I'll admit, it's been a rare occasion where I've been sober around drunk people, so I haven't really seen alot of other drunks from a sober point of view to be honest.
6 units? That isn't very much at all, about 2-3 pints depending on the strength? I'd say more than 10 units over 3 hours would be around about binge drinking levels.

(Is it ironic that as I type this, I'm actually having some beer)

[-JC-]

I regularly go out with several groups of friends, probabily 2 or 3 times a week, and more often than not end up legless. But that all depends on where we go and who I'm with. I prefer staying in quiet pubs so you can actually have a sociable covnersation with the people you're with. In Happy Hour at the campus bar, 3-7 fridays, it's £1.20 a pint. It could be a fantastic social occasion were it not for the fact that you can barely hear the person next to you because of the loud music. You look across the bar, and everyone is sitting around tables trying to shout at each other, and there's a DJ in the corner acting like he's the best thing since sliced bread. Truth is, nobody actually wants the music, or there would be people dancing.

[Platty]

I've never been drunk so I wouldn't know about the different stages. Though in my opinion all of them are bad. I've seen enough drunk people in my life to be turned off by the thought of ever getting drunk myself. It's not a pleasant thing to see, especially when they start throwing up in your cooking pans or just all over themselves (and you have to drag them to the car).

Tipsy is when you start being more open, aren't that afraid to do stuff you wouldn't otherwise. Isn't that enough to have fun? I don't get why you would have to go even further; it'll just spoil it for other people or yourself (forgetting what happened during the night is not my idea of fun).

Your tipsy is what I would class as drunk.

And what you say is drunk I would class as totally out of it :heh:

[Eenuh]

Your tipsy is what I would class as drunk.

And what you say is drunk I would class as totally out of it :heh:

Eh, I don't know. As long as you're not doing stupid stuff, can still walk on a straight line, talk like a normal person... that doesn't sound like being drunk to me.
Maybe I just get tipsy really easily (two or three glasses of wine can sometimes be enough)...

[conzer16]

The way they class binge drinking is just stupid nowadays, according to my doctor anything over 6 drinks (or is it units of alcohol) in a 24 hour period is classed as binge drinking. That is just stupid, maybe it's just me but I don't think 6 drinks a day is excessive if it's not everyday, and 6 units definitely isn't. To me binge drinking is something like a 24 hour bender, not half a dozen pints. Stupid government.


Quoted for truth. If you can handle 5/6 drinks without being ossified then its not binge drinking. I would classify binge drinking as, like Rokhed said, a 24 hour bender.

[Chris the great]

I don't think that its necicary a bad thing to be drunk, as long as you arnt puttign any one else in danger.

There is the issue of people throwing up, and its not pleasant, but to e honest, if you can't deal with a bit of puke, which most people amnage to do in a toilet, bucket or sink, then you arnt gonna have a nice time with kids. its not nice to clean up outher people's sick, thats a fact, but in my opinion, if pubs/clubs encourage people to drink, they should accept it goes too far and some one will be sick, its part of the pay off of their bussiness, and think how much the government make on taxes from booze, more then enough to be able to aford the council the cost of cleaning it, and if people are willing to make a living doing that then its ok by me.

I'm not justifying people getting hospitalised by drink, but i can think of worse things to be then drunk.

given the choice of being sat at home alone, watching tv or going out on the piss, theres no contest, pubs/clubs is different, depends on your mood really, and is true, when pubs have loud music its just annoying

and as for everything in moderation? were exactly does rape fit into that saying?

[AshMat]

Sleeping at Jamie's = Getting drunk.

(Jamie's my mate).

[Eenuh]

I don't think that its necicary a bad thing to be drunk, as long as you arnt puttign any one else in danger.

There is the issue of people throwing up, and its not pleasant, but to e honest, if you can't deal with a bit of puke, which most people amnage to do in a toilet, bucket or sink, then you arnt gonna have a nice time with kids. its not nice to clean up outher people's sick, thats a fact, but in my opinion, if pubs/clubs encourage people to drink, they should accept it goes too far and some one will be sick, its part of the pay off of their bussiness, and think how much the government make on taxes from booze, more then enough to be able to aford the council the cost of cleaning it, and if people are willing to make a living doing that then its ok by me.

I'm not justifying people getting hospitalised by drink, but i can think of worse things to be then drunk.

given the choice of being sat at home alone, watching tv or going out on the piss, theres no contest, pubs/clubs is different, depends on your mood really, and is true, when pubs have loud music its just annoying

and as for everything in moderation? were exactly does rape fit into that saying?

Vomit is horrible, especially when you have to clean other people's mess up. I'm used to cleaning up piss, poop and vomit from my pets, but vomit from people is even worse, especially when it's because of alcohol. You're stupid if you get so drunk you end up sick.

And seriously, rape? That's a crime; I don't even get why you mention it.

[Fierce_LiNk]

given the choice of being sat at home alone, watching tv or going out on the piss, theres no contest, pubs/clubs is different, depends on your mood really, and is true, when pubs have loud music its just annoying



Hey Chris. :)

But then what about going to the pub by yourself, or watching tv or a footie game at home with some mates. Just because you stay in doesn't mean you're always going to be alone.

[Charlie]

As I live in a small village and I'm still at school its hard for me to meet up with friends on week nights. I tend to go out on either Friday or Saturday night and drink. I usually have either a bottle of wine or a half bottle of vodka mixed with 2 500ml bottles of coke.

[Rummy]

Is it a sign of getting old that I really dissapprove of people under the age of 16 drinking, or even 18 for that matter, despite the fact I did so when I was? I feel like it's hypocritical to think they shouldn't, but I also feel like I did so why shouldn't they as long as they aren't causing trouble? I'd say it's another matter, but I think underage drinking tends to be much more of a binge drinking sort of thing anyway, as I know when I was younger we'd be splitting bottles of straight spirit, usually just because you can't afford much as a kid on pocket money.
Underage drinking has grown since I did it too methinks, every friday and saturday all you see is chavvy kids hanging around outside off licenses round my way, friday and saturdays is probably the shittest time to go our round here. In fact, there was a Lloyds(wetherspoons) up the road from me, that was kind of like a bar with a dancefloor than a pub, but they recently changed because there is so much trouble with all the drunk people around here on weekends.

[Eddage]

I've never been drunk so I wouldn't know about the different stages. Though in my opinion all of them are bad. I've seen enough drunk people in my life to be turned off by the thought of ever getting drunk myself. It's not a pleasant thing to see, especially when they start throwing up in your cooking pans or just all over themselves (and you have to drag them to the car).

Tipsy is when you start being more open, aren't that afraid to do stuff you wouldn't otherwise. Isn't that enough to have fun? I don't get why you would have to go even further; it'll just spoil it for other people or yourself (forgetting what happened during the night is not my idea of fun).

Your tipsy is what I would class as drunk.

And what you say is drunk I would class as totally out of it :heh:

That's what I was gonna say Mr Platty.

Eenuh, when I say I get drunk I pretty much mean what you just described! Sometimes it goes further but not all that often.

[Bren]

go out drinking about once a month (more into smoking the ganja) and when i do go out i usually spend about £40-50, thats including taxis, entrance to wherever i go and the kebab house afterwards :)

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

I get drunk... Most nights. Usually I buy a small crate of cider, typically Old English due to the cheapness (£5 for 8 440ml cans). When I started uni, three cans would get me nicely tipsy, then it was up to 6 cans for the same effect. Last night I drank 9 and felt in control. Usually I can tell that I'm reaching the end of my sesh because my tongue starts feeling swollen, and I can't talk as efficiently as I want to!

A lot of the time I'm the only one getting drunk, most of the time a couple of the others will drink as well. We sit, talk, play games, watch movies, usual stuff. I don't always think that alcohol is NEEDED for fun, but I like the looseness that I get.

I don't like it when I'm drinking and someone says to me "you're drunk!" ... well yeah, that's kinda the point... I don't get drunk as an excuse to be a tit to society mostly because I avoid actually going out BECAUSE people are tits when they're drunk in clubs and bars and stuff.

As for underage drinking.. personally I'm glad I started drinking when I did, which was pretty much 14. If I had started drinking aged 18, I wouldn't know my limits, I wouldn't have those 4 years worth of experience of what I'm like when I'm drunk, what other people are like, where's nice to drink, where's not, what I like to drink, what gives me a worse hangover... et cetera, et cetera.

Of course, I'm talking about myself and my friends who were, on the whole, not out to cause trouble or wreck park climbing frames, and so on.

[Strider]

I've never really been out with my friends drinking, mainly because they don't go (Well if they do, i'm not invited)

However i do hear many people at school in the same year as me (Age 15/16) on about "Oh i can't wait to get wasted tonight", to me they sound abit pathetic.

[scubahood]

Really surprised by how many people have never been drunk or don't drink its probably due to your ages or whats going on in your lives right now. I remember when I was 16 I stayed in one night playing Eternal Darkness didn't actually drink much but it was enough for me to puke all up my bedroom door and then puking for the rest of the next day. After that I didn't drink for a good 9 months as after that experience I just couldn't see the point.

Once I turned 18 though I got into drinking again didn't used to drink to much back then but used to go out every Friday and Saturday so was easily spending £100 a week on booze.

Now at the grand old age of 21 I usually go out once a week usually Thursdays as its nice and cheap I usually have half a bottle of JD before I come out then a few pints before we go to the club then in the club have another two beers. I usually wake up the next morning feeling rough but as long as I have had a good night I don't mind. Saying that most Thursdays you can find me in the club moaning with my mate about how they play the same tosh every week and how they should play more music from the Atlanta scene which they have started doing lately but nobody bloody gets it.
For example the music from Atlanta eg. Lil Jon is designing to get fucked dance like a nut get your lean on and have a good time yet all the ponses in the club still insist on dancing to it as if they're playing bloody Usher or something. Maybe I went a bit off subject there but thats my general view.
And for all those that need a drink to make them feel that extra bit fucked try Crunk Juice more commonly known as Hennessy and Red Bull

[4q2]

I drink whatever amount I feel in the mood to drink....
That figure can vary between 2 pints to 12 pints.

[The Bard]

Go about once a week usually, unless it's the holidays, in which case, I would go out everyday. Drinks? I'd usually have about 11-14 pints, although it's more like 6 pints and about 8 or 9 shots. Last time I went out, I aquired a taste for green aftershock...mmmn. Going to a bar in Manchester is expensive though, so we often just grab a bottle of our favourite beverage each from Tesco, and go off to the cinema.

[Noodleman]

I used to drink loads, but since i've finished Uni I hardly drink anymore. Although having said that I have a mamoth session planned for the weekend. Back at uni I would have at least 2 nights out a week pretty much every week. Thats not to say I got trashed everytime though. My alchohol tollerance varies pretty massivley. Some nights I can be wrecked off 3 pints, some nights I can drink a whole bottle of JD and appear completly sober.

On the whole I prefer pubs to clubs, I hate the fact I cant hear what people are saying in clubs and the fact that 80% of the music is shit. However, if I get wasted they are great. So I guess it depends on what I want from the night out.

[Platty]

Drinks? I'd usually have about 11-14 pints, although it's more like 6 pints and about 8 or 9 shots.

LOL. Yeah alright. You're 17, you would be on the floor mate. 14 pints lol what you drinking? shandy? 9 Shots....Leave it out.

[Atomic Boo]

Ive only had a small amount of beer before, but i dont really like it much.
Who needs alcohol when you have appletizer? 100% pure pleasure

[Rummy]

lol, you know, I couldn't help but think the same. Barely anyone I knew when we was around that age would be able to have more than 6 pints at the most, I'm not ashamed to say I was proper lightweight(hey, cheaper for me!) and could get tipsy enough on like 2-3 pints.
scubahood, how much was you drinking that it was costing you £100 a week?? I don't think I've ever broken £20 on drink on a night out drinking, and it'd be rare for me to get close to that unless I was somewhere super expensive.

I get drunk... Most nights. Usually I buy a small crate of cider, typically Old English due to the cheapness (£5 for 8 440ml cans). When I started uni, three cans would get me nicely tipsy, then it was up to 6 cans for the same effect. Last night I drank 9 and felt in control. Usually I can tell that I'm reaching the end of my sesh because my tongue starts feeling swollen, and I can't talk as efficiently as I want to!

A lot of the time I'm the only one getting drunk, most of the time a couple of the others will drink as well. We sit, talk, play games, watch movies, usual stuff. I don't always think that alcohol is NEEDED for fun, but I like the looseness that I get.

I don't like it when I'm drinking and someone says to me "you're drunk!" ... well yeah, that's kinda the point... I don't get drunk as an excuse to be a tit to society mostly because I avoid actually going out BECAUSE people are tits when they're drunk in clubs and bars and stuff.

As for underage drinking.. personally I'm glad I started drinking when I did, which was pretty much 14. If I had started drinking aged 18, I wouldn't know my limits, I wouldn't have those 4 years worth of experience of what I'm like when I'm drunk, what other people are like, where's nice to drink, where's not, what I like to drink, what gives me a worse hangover... et cetera, et cetera.

Of course, I'm talking about myself and my friends who were, on the whole, not out to cause trouble or wreck park climbing frames, and so on.
I can't stand cider :heh:
Even so, I'd like to say I'm glad I started drinking when I did, only because I'd be a different person if I hadn't, and I really like who I am, without singing my own praises or nothing lol. Thing is, now when I think back, I do sometimes think about the damage it's slowly doing to me, and how it might start to affect me soon, especially given that I'm of indian asian descent so I imagine my body isn't so tolerant to alcohol. Do you ever consider the damage it might be doing?

Ive only had a small amount of beer before, but i dont really like it much.
Who needs alcohol when you have appletizer? 100% pure pleasure

As far as I know, pretty much everyone is like that, I remember I used to be but now I quite like it, I think theres something about beer thats so different to anything else you can get, if that makes sense.

[The Bard]

LOL. Yeah alright. You're 17, you would be on the floor mate. 14 pints lol what you drinking? shandy? 9 Shots....Leave it out.

Of course I'd be on the floor, that's the whole point :blank: :heh:. I mean if I'm gonna go out for like 6 or 7 hours, then thats how much I'll have, if I'm popping out to get moderately hammered in about half an hour, then I'd have about 7-8 pints. I'm not shitting you. People always call me on this, but it's true. Maybe you lot just don't get as trashed as me.

Of course, if I'm out for the whole day, and staying over at a mates, I'll probably have a fuckload more. So fuck off with your self righteous bullshit, he asked, and he got an answer. It's totally shit though, cause I end up spending 40 quid and more sometimes on drink on a night out, but my mates buy a lot of it so it's alright.

[Platty]

Of course I'd be on the floor, that's the whole point :blank: :heh:. I mean if I'm gonna go out for like 6 or 7 hours, then thats how much I'll have, if I'm popping out to get moderately hammered in about half an hour, then I'd have about 7-8 pints. I'm not shitting you. People always call me on this, but it's true. Maybe you lot just don't get as trashed as me.

Of course, if I'm out for the whole day, and staying over at a mates, I'll probably have a fuckload more. So fuck off with your self righteous bullshit, he asked, and he got an answer. It's totally shit though, cause I end up spending 40 quid and more sometimes on drink on a night out, but my mates buy a lot of it so it's alright.

7-8 pints in half hour? do me a favour. If you are drinking that much then you're a idiot. Especially in that short time scale.

[Atomic Boo]

Of course I'd be on the floor, that's the whole point :blank: :heh:. I mean if I'm gonna go out for like 6 or 7 hours, then thats how much I'll have, if I'm popping out to get moderately hammered in about half an hour, then I'd have about 7-8 pints. I'm not shitting you. People always call me on this, but it's true. Maybe you lot just don't get as trashed as me.

Of course, if I'm out for the whole day, and staying over at a mates, I'll probably have a fuckload more. So fuck off with your self righteous bullshit, he asked, and he got an answer. It's totally shit though, cause I end up spending 40 quid and more sometimes on drink on a night out, but my mates buy a lot of it so it's alright.

Id rather get a wii game than spend £40 on getting wasted and feeling like shit. It cant be fun drinking that much. I couldnt drink that amount of anything without feeling/being sick. I usually only have 2 drinks, 3 tops, and that isnt even alcohol!

[conzer16]

LOL. Yeah alright. You're 17, you would be on the floor mate. 14 pints lol what you drinking? shandy? 9 Shots....Leave it out.

We all know Bard's tendency to embellish the facts.....:zzz:


I started this thread yet conveniently forgot to put forward my opinion :p

I normally only head out ever Saturday or Friday night when I'm at home, and maybe once/twice during the week in uni. On a typical night out I would drink about 5 pints of lager (usually Heineken, Fosters or Miller).

When I go out on a big night out I could have 7 or 8 pints and maybe 2 or 3 vodka and whites/limes, but that is very infrequently. Normally after about 6/7 pints I get into a hyper dance mood, and if I'm in a club I'll spend the rest of the night on the dance floor and almost be sober when I get home. It's very unusual for me to not remember what has happened the night before, and although it has happened before, I don't like it happening.

According to the BBC news article that Dante posted, binge drinking is 5 or more drinks in one sitting, well if that is what is defined as binge drinking then I'm a binge drinker. I am able to drink 5 drinks and still be in (almost) complete control of myself. I know alcohol lowers your inhibitions and your ability to see/think/act normally, but after 5 drinks I am relatively in control of myself. I would never, and I stress never drive a vehicle after even one drink.

I don't understand how binge drinking can be classified at a fixed number of units/drinks though. Surely as every person's alcohol tolerance levels are different, a binge drinking session varies in quantity from person to person?

I will admit, this Saturday (St. Patrick's Day :heh: ) is destined to be a heavy drinking day. I won't be drinking all day, but when i go to my local and then onwards to a club I know I will consume a lot of alcohol.

I'm looking forward to a great night, but I know I will remember it all.

Happy St. Patrick's Day to one and all :D

[Sorry, I rambled a bit!]

[My Buttons are Magic!]

i dont drink alcohol, my bf doesnt drink alcohol ( which im so glad for)...
... people that binge drink regularly are fools and are slowly killing themselves

[The Bard]

7-8 pints in half hour? do me a favour. If you are drinking that much then you're a idiot. Especially in that short time scale.

Why does that make me an idiot? It's what I like to do, I don't like it when me or my mates feel inhibited and self conscious, drinks for me and the people I spend time with are just so that we can have fun and do what we please. Interesting things happen, you're not so closed off. As for in that "space of time" I'm seventeen, I'm not totally self dependant, and I have schedules etc. If thats the amount of time I can fit it into, then I do. As for the smell, I just tell my parents that I've been in a bar, easy enough to believe. As for when I walk in and fall on my face though...:heh: Nah, thats never happened.

Id rather get a wii game than spend £40 on getting wasted and feeling like shit. It cant be fun drinking that much. I couldnt drink that amount of anything without feeling/being sick. I usually only have 2 drinks, 3 tops, and that isnt even alcohol!

It totally is fun, for me anyway...but maybe thats because I'm a tad compulsive by personality, I tend to drink more than my mates do, simply because I seem to have higher tolerance.

Actually, this happens everytime someone mentions anything about alcohol, so I'll stfu.

[Platty]

Why does that make me an idiot? .

Drinking a pint every 3 - 4 minutes. :blank:

Anyway whatever. Do what you like and if you are actually telling the truth then good luck to you and your liver. I just find it pointless to drink like that.

[Sparko]

When I started college about a year and a half ago I was drinking way too much a couple of nights a week, but I eventually realised I was going way overboard and that drinking till I could barely walk or talk wasn't exactly fun..

So nowadays I generally drink 4 or 5 pints and leave it at that, if i'm in a club that's enough to make me be able to tolerate the music and to dance to it! There's the odd night where I drink more than that. Like last night, it was my college formal ball, and I drank a fair bit of wine on top of my usual few pints and a couple of shots as well but I wasn't too badly drunk. No hangover either, which shocked me considering I was mixing my drinks and that usually turns out bad for me.

[Rummy]

Bard, what are you drinking pints of? Water? I'm pretty sure if you can manage 8 pints in half an hour you're some sort of medical miracle. Go tell your doctor so he can become famous and you can make lots of money!

[The Bard]

Drinking a pint every 3 - 4 minutes. :blank:

Anyway whatever. Do what you like and if you are actually telling the truth then good luck to you and your liver. I just find it pointless to drink like that.

Well, this is the time to drink right? I'm a student, without any real responsibilities, so I'll make the most of it. I don't so much drink pints as pour them down my throat and go for another. Take a look at my Life of A Pro Nerd thread for example.

[conzer16]

Why does that make me an idiot?


If you drink 8 pints in a half hour I fail to see how you've never fallen flat on your face.

Has it occurred to you, that the fact you need 7 or 8 pints just so you can be less inhibited by your own friends that you might have 1 of 2 problems if not both?

You are either a reclusive personality and/or a raging alcoholic.

[Fields]

Bard, you're talking shit, yet again. Tosser.

[rokhed00]

Bard, you're talking shit, yet again.

That, or drinking piss.

[scubahood]

Lol at 7-8 pints in half another whats your real name Billy Bullshit?

And in response to Rummys question it wasn't £100 on drink solely but more nights out as in drink, club entry, taxi, food etc. I did go through a stage of drinking JD in clubs biggest waste of money ever spent £18 just on JD could of gotten myself a bottle of the bloody stuff for that.

Another thing I wanted to add is regarding my hang overs when I don't drink so much I always puke the next morning where as when I drink a shit load sure I feel rough but I don't usually puke. Saying that I don't get out of bed till like 3 in the afternoon so the alcohol probably wears off

[Caris]

Bard, i love you to bits but stop the drink talk.

[The Bard]

If you drink 8 pints in a half hour I fail to see how you've never fallen flat on your face.

Has it occurred to you, that the fact you need 7 or 8 pints just so you can be less inhibited by your own friends that you might have 1 of 2 problems if not both?

You are either a reclusive personality and/or a raging alcoholic.

I wouldn't call myself a raging alcoholic, seeing as it's not like I'm getting smashed at breakfast everyday, but yeah, I am kind of a reclusive personality, and I don't feel comfortable around people I don't know, or sometimes even with people I do know. When I go out, it's usually just 2-4 of us. I can't really see that as a bad thing, I just don't like big crowds. As for that matter, I don't need 8 pints, but once you start drinking, you don't want to stop.

Bard, what are you drinking pints of? Water? I'm pretty sure if you can manage 8 pints in half an hour you're some sort of medical miracle. Go tell your doctor so he can become famous and you can make lots of money!

I love this jackassed tendency people have of comparing others to themselves, and if something seems out of whack, they get all crazy on your asses. Back the fuck off, I don't really feel the need to justify myself to anyone, Conzer asked a harmless question and I answered it. As for Fields, we all know that nobody ever answers anything he says unless it's to rip him, but you'd think he'd figure out that nobody likes him by now.

Still, If you really want, I invite anyone to come down to Manchester and prove me wrong, who knows, could end up being a good night ;).

[Fields]

Still, If you really want, I invite anyone to come down to Manchester and prove me wrong, who knows, could end up being a good night ;).

Nah, you're alright mate. I think I'll give that one a miss.

[Hellfire]

Back when I could drink I could habdle quite a load without getting hammered just a little happy, but I hate people that just drink because it's the cool and grown up thing to do. Most people (teenagers) do it because of that. It's just a sign of imaturity. WHen I drank something it would be because it'd taste good.

[Rummy]

I love this jackassed tendency people have of comparing others to themselves, and if something seems out of whack, they get all crazy on your asses. Back the fuck off, I don't really feel the need to justify myself to anyone, Conzer asked a harmless question and I answered it. As for Fields, we all know that nobody ever answers anything he says unless it's to rip him, but you'd think he'd figure out that nobody likes him by now.

Still, If you really want, I invite anyone to come down to Manchester and prove me wrong, who knows, could end up being a good night ;).

I love the way you get all offended and seem to need to resort to using language with profanities and insulting people, I wasn't being mean, I was being absolutely serious; If you can have 8 pints of beer in half an hour and still be standing at the age of 17 you probably are some sort of medical miracle. Do you manage to drink it all without being sick? Of course, you wouldn't feel the need to justify yourself if you were lying, because you can't.
Either way, just getting angry and swearing a bit didn't answer the question of what you're drinking 8 pints of. I can't make it to manchester any time soon, but if you could one day film such a feat, I would be mightily impressed to see it. Until then, I'll stick to my gut instinct that you're stretching the truth a bit, or even alot for that matter.

Lol at 7-8 pints in half another whats your real name Billy Bullshit?

And in response to Rummys question it wasn't £100 on drink solely but more nights out as in drink, club entry, taxi, food etc. I did go through a stage of drinking JD in clubs biggest waste of money ever spent £18 just on JD could of gotten myself a bottle of the bloody stuff for that.

Another thing I wanted to add is regarding my hang overs when I don't drink so much I always puke the next morning where as when I drink a shit load sure I feel rough but I don't usually puke. Saying that I don't get out of bed till like 3 in the afternoon so the alcohol probably wears off
That makes alot more sense, it's part of the reason why I don't go clubbing much either, I went out in central once and it was like £8 for a single shot!

[conzer16]

I wouldn't call myself a raging alcoholic, seeing as it's not like I'm getting smashed at breakfast everyday, but yeah, I am kind of a reclusive personality, and I don't feel comfortable around people I don't know, or sometimes even with people I do know. When I go out, it's usually just 2-4 of us. I can't really see that as a bad thing, I just don't like big crowds. As for that matter, I don't need 8 pints, but once you start drinking, you don't want to stop.



Sorry Bard, but that says it all. If once you start drinking, you don't want to stop you have a problem. A big problem.

[The Bard]

I love the way you get all offended and seem to need to resort to using language with profanities and insulting people, I wasn't being mean, I was being absolutely serious; If you can have 8 pints of beer in half an hour and still be standing at the age of 17 you probably are some sort of medical miracle. Do you manage to drink it all without being sick? Of course, you wouldn't feel the need to justify yourself if you were lying, because you can't.
Either way, just getting angry and swearing a bit didn't answer the question of what you're drinking 8 pints of. I can't make it to manchester any time soon, but if you could one day film such a feat, I would be mightily impressed to see it. Until then, I'll stick to my gut instinct that you're stretching the truth a bit, or even alot for that matter.


That makes alot more sense, it's part of the reason why I don't go clubbing much either, I went out in central once and it was like £8 for a single shot!

I'm not getting angry, It's just that this has happened a lot, the only reason I feel the need to justify myself is because, apparently, I'm an ego maniac. Also by pint I mean that quantity of alcohol, a lot of which I'd drink in spirits (higher concn, less liquid), am I fair in saying that one full shot of a 37-40% spirit would contain roughly as much alcohol as a pint of...say Guinness? I don't think anyone could drink 8 pints in half an hour without standing in a cubicle. Fair enough, St Patrics day is happening on Saturday, and I'll have about half an hour to get wasted, I suppose I could try and film about 7-8 ish pints, although I suppose it's jumping through hoops for you, but it should be entertaining nonetheless.

[Fields]

I think the very fact that you're bragging about this on a Nintendo forum says it all, really.

[conzer16]

A shot is 30-40% alcohol. A pint of Guinness in only about 4%. Because it's less concentrated it doesn't affect you as quickly. They might volume-wise contain roughly the same amount in millilitres, but because one is 10 times more concentrated than the other, it's much more effective.

[Zell]

I think the very fact that you're bragging about this on a Nintendo forum says it all, really.

I think that's irrelevant seeing as we're all on a nintendo forum and have all bragged once in a while.

Anywho, recently I've been going easy on the alceehol, I guess it's a sign of maturity :heh: Someone has to be the responsible one.

[Letty]

Since I met Jordan, I drink very little :)

[The Bard]

A shot is 30-40% alcohol. A pint of Guinness in only about 4%. Because it's less concentrated it doesn't affect you as quickly. They might volume-wise contain roughly the same amount in millilitres, but because one is 10 times more concentrated than the other, it's much more effective.

Well by volume, a shot would be about 50ml? On average what I have would be about 38%, so that'd probably be the same as the contents of a pint of Guinness I'd say. Still, I suppose because a shot is more concentrated, it's taken in more quickly....which is exactly what you just said, so I'm just repeating what you said :heh:

I think the very fact that you're bragging about this on a Nintendo forum says it all, really.

I'm not bragging about anything, read the first post, all I'm doing is telling the truth. Why would I feel the need to lie about what I drink? Also, this wouldn't be a response to one Fields' posts without me feeling the need to insult either his infinitessimally small intellect or the fact that I doubt anyone would really notice, much less care, if he somehow, by the grace of god suddenly ceased to exist.

[conzer16]

Well by volume, a shot would be about 50ml? On average what I have would be about 38%, so that'd probably be the same as the contents of a pint of Guinness I'd say. Still, I suppose because a shot is more concentrated, it's taken in more quickly....which is exactly what you just said, so I'm just repeating what you said :heh:



Dunno what a UK shot is, but in Ireland it's 35.5ml and a US shot is 44ml (1.5oz).

Isn't a UK shot only about 25ml or maybe 35ml?

[ipaul]

I get drunk easily, quite like it when i do. People who won't drink and look down on it annoy me to an extent but still, got to respect their opinion. To each his own and all that. However I think excessive drinking can be exceptionally dangerous if done frequently enough and some people can be right tossers when they've had something to drink. Having said that some people can be more friendly. Whether getting drunk is enjoyable or not doesnt really depend on where you are so much as who you are with I would say.

[scubahood]

I just don't believe that someone could drink that much in half an hour.
If we want to go into detail say you have 8 pints in half an hour thats roughly just under 4 minutes per pint. Then you've got the time of going to the bar to get the pint plus the pisses which you would need to take if consuming that much. If you were telling the truth i'm trying to picture it. Would look pretty funny

[rokhed00]

Also by pint I mean that quantity of alcohol, a lot of which I'd drink in spirits

That's where you're misleading people, 7-8 shots in half an hour is easily believable, hell I've done more than that in 30 seconds, let alone 30 minutes, but the same amount of pints would just be impossible due to the mass.

Dunno what a UK shot is, but in Ireland it's 35.5ml and a US shot is 44ml (1.5oz).

Isn't a UK shot only about 25ml or maybe 35ml?

Not sure, but apparently there's 16 shots to a bottle.

[The Bard]

Dunno what a UK shot is, but in Ireland it's 35.5ml and a US shot is 44ml (1.5oz).

Isn't a UK shot only about 25ml or maybe 35ml?

Well I think it varies from place to place, at the library theater, there was a marking saying each shot is 30ml, and at out local lounge bar it's got a 40ml marker on the little caps they use to pour the shot. Depends on how stingy they are really :heh:

That's where you're misleading people, 7-8 shots in half an hour is easily believable, hell I've done more than that in 30 seconds, let alone 30 minutes, but the same amount of pints would just be impossible due to the mass.



Not sure, but apparently there's 16 shots to a bottle.

Yeah, thats what I mean, people have been going around here incredulous at that, I mean, that much is a regular thing, I thought people didn't believe it because of the quantity of alcohol. I tend to measure everything in pints, like if I get a bottle of wine I'll probably try to work out how much that would be in pints.

One of my mates can apparently control his peristalsic motions and can just empty a bottle of rum down his throat, it's not unbelievable.

[conzer16]

That's where you're misleading people, 7-8 shots in half an hour is easily believable, hell I've done more than that in 30 seconds, let alone 30 minutes, but the same amount of pints would just be impossible due to the mass.



Not sure, but apparently there's 16 shots to a bottle.

How big is the bottle :p
Standard vodka bottle is 60cl/50cl?



Well I think it varies from place to place, at the library theater, there was a marking saying each shot is 30ml, and at out local lounge bar it's got a 40ml marker on the little caps they use to pour the shot. Depends on how stingy they are really :heh:

True I suppose. Standard shot in Ireland is 35.5 ml.

Edit, and standard Baileys shot is 50ml.

[rokhed00]

How big is the bottle :p
Standard vodka bottle is 60cl/50cl?

75cl.
I think it works out about 45ml per shot, but that sounds a bit generous.

[Chuck]

all those yobs

[conzer16]

75cl.
I think it works out about 45ml per shot, but that sounds a bit generous.

Of course, 75cl...... (and I call myself a barman!)

Well in Ireland there are usually about 20 shots to a bottle.

And according to here (http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calories/calorie_counter/alcohol.htm) there are 25ml in a UK shot. So that would mean 30 shots in a bottle?

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Having 7/8 pints in half an hour doesn't bother me in terms of whether you're conscious or not, Bard, just the actual physical capacity your bladder has - it's about 300cc - 300 cubic centimeters. 300cc is equivalent to 0.527925978 Imperial pints...

but of course you have your stomach too - "the stomach is about 12 inches (30.5 cm) long and is 6 inches. (15.2 cm) wide at its widest point. The stomach's capacity is about 1 qt (0.94 liters) in an adult."

0.94 litres is about 1.65416806 pints .. (google's calculator..) Now, I'm not sure about the rest of the body, just that it seems clear (from personal experience, too), you normally need a piss after each second/third pint (makes sense if you consider the body's literally FULL after that much).

I figure that you must drink 2 and a half pints, and go to the toilet every ten minutes - plus the time it takes to buy the drink too...

Maybe you're pissing it all out before the alcohol even gets into your bloodstream? I know that one unit of alcohol takes roughly an hour to get out of your bloodstream, and I'd GUESS (again, from personal experience) that it takes several minutes before you feel the alcohol's effect anyway. More estimating, but if you're peeing that often, there's a good chance you're losing it before it effects you. I don't know, I'm no expert. Perhaps you'll find you'll get JUST as drunk if you drank half the amount. Oh, plus the time it takes to wash your hands. I hope.

Or you're lying.

[Haver]

I've done eight pints in an hour before and you're just sick everywhere. No fun! After 5, 6, 7 and 8 I believe!

[Rummy]

I'm not getting angry, It's just that this has happened a lot, the only reason I feel the need to justify myself is because, apparently, I'm an ego maniac. Also by pint I mean that quantity of alcohol, a lot of which I'd drink in spirits (higher concn, less liquid), am I fair in saying that one full shot of a 37-40% spirit would contain roughly as much alcohol as a pint of...say Guinness? I don't think anyone could drink 8 pints in half an hour without standing in a cubicle. Fair enough, St Patrics day is happening on Saturday, and I'll have about half an hour to get wasted, I suppose I could try and film about 7-8 ish pints, although I suppose it's jumping through hoops for you, but it should be entertaining nonetheless.

You'd think it'd be jumping through hoops? Maybe it would, but it's a pretty amazing feat to have on video in my opinion.
As for UK shots, people are right that they're typically 25ml though I've seen some places serving 35ml shots. Content wise dark rums tend to be 40%, as well as bourbons and scotch, white rums and vodka are typically 37.5%, what I'd call liquers(aftershock40%, sourz(15%), corky's, bailey's, tia maria and lusso, malibu, stuff like that) are typically much less, like 20-30% range. Some are as strong as straight spirits though, but it depends what it is really.
Anyway, At 40% and 25ml that's 1 unit per shot, most pints are in excess of a unit. For a pint to be one unit, it'd need to be about 1.7% strength(english pint is 568ml I believe, 1/56.8), so even for a double measure of 50ml it'd only need to be a 3.5% strength pint to be equivalent to 2 units of alcohol.
Say that it was a 4% strength beer, it'd be more 2 units per pint(rounded down) 8 of them then is 16 units, 16 units in half an hour is already alot, plus if it's a gassy beer it'll be very hard to keep down, that's why I found it so hard to believe. I am not saying it's impossible, I'm not calling you a liar, but until I actually see it I won't believe it, it just seems highly improbably to me.

Emo, I don't really know myself either, but I'd assume alcohol gets absorbed the same even if you are pissing every couple of minutes, apparently it's quite fast to get into the system because it's small, but takes a while to get around the body.

[uəʌəsʎɐɾ]

Didn't The Bard make some videos of him at the pub once? maybe he could make an hour long video - 30 mins of drinking followed by the aftermath...

[Atomic Boo]

I think the very fact that you're bragging about this on a Nintendo forum says it all, really.

Im sorry, but that comment hasnt done you any favours. You've driven yourself into your own divot hole and you cant get out. Start speaking sense and people may respond to you positively.

[Chris the great]

i once did 6 pints in an hour, i was SIIIIIIIIIIIIICK. ah, how fun, on the phone to my mum, relaising im bout to be sick, tellign ehr some one was at the door hanging up the painting my bathroom door red, never managed to drink snake bite again.

Look, stop havign a go at the bard, if he says its true, whats it matter to you, i can imagine some one drinking that much, not necicarily without piss breaks or puking but i don't know the guy, so whos to say he can't?

For all you people who think drunks are annoying, think what its like having people look down their noses at you because you partake in one of the oldest and most enjoyable forms of recriation. I don't like being labled a fool or selfish for doing something that I enjoy and has very few negitive consiquences for outhers, ok, there was one time was sick on a bus, it was a student bus and the people driving were pretty sound, I feel bad about that, but on the otuher hand, do i feel bad about being sick in my sink and cleaning it up? nope. no ones hurt.

I can understand why you might find drunks annoying at time, hell no one likes being woken up at 3am by their flat mate, but look at the biggr picture, its not going to kill you if some ones loud, and it dosent kill you to help some one out when there drunk.

I'm young, I'm a student, and the liver is pretty good at repairing itself, so I'm gonna enjoy myself while I can. When I have a family I migth not get drunk so much, but untill then I plan to enjoy life, spend the money on booze and not regret it. £40 for a game is all wel and good, but £40 to have a wicked time with mates is much better

[Aimless]

and as for everything in moderation? were exactly does rape fit into that saying?
Moderation is the avoidance of excess or extremes. Surely you'd agree that rape is extreme, yes?

There is the issue of people throwing up, and its not pleasant, but to e honest, if you can't deal with a bit of puke, which most people amnage to do in a toilet, bucket or sink, then you arnt gonna have a nice time with kids.
So going by that logic, you won't mind if I come around your house to draw on the walls and put jam in your DVD player? Having to look after drunk people that can't help themselves is so far from having kids it's unreal. Kids just are, they don't choose to be.

The crux of my argument is this: there are many reasons for people not to get drunk — personal health, society's health, cost, violence, etcetera — yet no one has ever given me a good reason why they should get drunk.

The only reason I can fathom is that society, a nebulous construct of tradition and generalities, condones and in some cases advocates drinking to excess. It's what people expect other people to do, and so lo and behold those people go and do just that. And then it's glorified — "Mate, I got completely off my face last night!" — and macho posturing makes drinking into a competition for bragging rights. It's ridiculous.

But at the end of the day people that get drunk don't want to listen. So I'll try to lead by example, sitting there with my lemonade. Not that anyone cares; they're too drunk to notice.

"The man drinks the first glass of sake, the second glass drinks the first, the third glass drinks the man."

[rokhed00]

Of course, 75cl...... (and I call myself a barman!)

Well in Ireland there are usually about 20 shots to a bottle.

And according to here (http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calories/calorie_counter/alcohol.htm) there are 25ml in a UK shot. So that would mean 30 shots in a bottle?

They must have changed the measurements then, years ago I was told by a barman that there was 16 to a bottle. The new measurements are stingy as fuck, I get between 6 and 8 servings out of a bottle at home.

[Chris the great]

I find your argument pretty flawed aimless, you say theres no reason to get drunk, by your logic theres no reason to masterbate, watch movies, listen to music, play video games, watch TV, tell some jokes. People do it because it's fun. Sure, theres sometimes reprocushions, hangovers, violence and saying things you wish you haden't. The reason people do it is because it's fun. Try watching sign language on late night TV when drunk, it's funny as can be. When you get drunk with mates things just always seem so much fun, and theres always at least one funny story.

Alcohal led to one of the best moments of last year, putting a cardboard box on and going to the bar hamered, but passing into legend. People loved it, it was great fun to be the center of attention, ahving drinks bought for me, people talking to me just to say hi. Tell me thats a bad thing, making people friendlier.

I'm not trying to have a go, but you make your self sound kind of pretentious, ike your the only one who dosen't need to drink, sneering at the cretins. People get drunk because its fun, they just woulden't do it if there was no point to it, it's simple behaviourst theroy, if behaviour is rewarded in some way, it will reoccur. No ones focing you to drink, but don't look down on thouse who do, as long as people don't get violent or drive whilst drunk, its fair enough in my eyes.

[Aimless]

I find your argument pretty flawed aimless, you say theres no reason to get drunk, by your logic theres no reason to masterbate, watch movies, listen to music, play video games, watch TV, tell some jokes. People do it because it's fun. Sure, theres sometimes reprocushions, hangovers, violence and saying things you wish you haden't. The reason people do it is because it's fun. Try watching sign language on late night TV when drunk, it's funny as can be. When you get drunk with mates things just always seem so much fun, and theres always at least one funny story.

Alcohal led to one of the best moments of last year, putting a cardboard box on and going to the bar hamered, but passing into legend. People loved it, it was great fun to be the center of attention, ahving drinks bought for me, people talking to me just to say hi. Tell me thats a bad thing, making people friendlier.

I'm not trying to have a go, but you make your self sound kind of pretentious, ike your the only one who dosen't need to drink, sneering at the cretins. People get drunk because its fun, they just woulden't do it if there was no point to it, it's simple behaviourst theroy, if behaviour is rewarded in some way, it will reoccur. No ones focing you to drink, but don't look down on thouse who do, as long as people don't get violent or drive whilst drunk, its fair enough in my eyes.
I'm sure a lot of people think I'm pretentious; that's their prerogative. I'd certainly contest it as I freely admit I'm nothing special. However, allow me to quote my earlier post:

I'm not saying that getting drunk makes you a terrible person [...] I've no more problem with people having a glass of wine or the occasional pint than with someone eating a chocolate bar, but if they're going out drinking every night or dining purely on confectioneries then I'm going to be worried.

I don't look down on people that get drunk, I look down on the act itself because in my eyes it is completely without merit. And every time I ask people to justify the sheer expenditure of money, time, and health that people invest in it I've yet to receive anything I consider a valid reason.

The difference between getting drunk and all the other things you mentioned is that thousands of people a year don't die from them. Alcohol poisoning, drink driving, GBH. So many peoples' lives turned to misery and for what, so people can have a good laugh at wearing a cardboard box?

At the end of the day alcohol is just another drug, and one I hope future generations hold no quarter for. No one needs alcohol to have fun, it just gradually becomes a dependency. Any mind-altering substance takes it toll on the user. Sure it seems funny and exciting at first, but what about when people keep going back to it, keep taking something to try and be someone different to who they are? I've met drunkards and terminal stoners. They're the most boring people I've ever met, nothing left behind their eyes but the habit they turned too to be more than themselves. And now they're nothing.

This isn't about looking down on people, it's about looking out for them. I'm no saint, but I do give a crap about other people and it pains me to so many heading down the same self-destructive dead end.

[Chris the great]

mate, if you think i don't care about outher people your mistaken. i do care, but i honestly think that alcohal is a good thing, and you say the things i mentioned don't lead to death? what about obesity? that claims lives every year, and thats as related to tv/video games as dinking is to gbh. alcohal dosent turn a normal person violent, ive done a little bit of work on the effects of alcohalon the brain, fair enough, there are risks, and its not nice to see an old alcohalic and the effects it's had on them, but getting drunk with your mates isn't like fireing a loaded gun into a crowd, look at the statistcs, number of people out getting drunk and the number of alcohal related crimes. even in instances of crime, corolation does not mean cause, if a drunken mate tells you to bugger off, chances are they were thinking it the whole time and only have the balls to say it whilest drunk.

In all my time drinking, i haven't commited, nor have any of the people i've been with commited a crime. why should the innocent suffer the actions of a few? I certanly don't condone crimes when drunk, but then I don't commit them. I have seen a grand total of 1 inncident of violence due to alcohal, and it upset me, but after all the hours i have spent around the drunks, i can honestly say that 99.9% of the people I have encountered drunk have been out for a good time and well behaved

future generations will drink, mankind has been drinking since the stone age, prohibition has been shown not to work, its a fact that must be accepted, drinking is popular. since the first human civilisations began, humans preconceptions of love, war, honer, justice and morality ahve shifted incesantly, yet we have always had a drink in our hands.

It is a shame that there are people who spoil it for the rest of us, drunken assaults and drink driving just shoulden't happen, but the actualy percentage of cases of people drinking and this happening are minescule, the pros of alcohal far out weigh the cons.

Its only fair to note, I did go through a phase were i didn't drink, I thought it was setting my exhema off, to be honest, it wasn't the most fun time ive had while socialising with people who did drink, and i feel for people who are unable to drink.

I do think its possible to have a good time without drinking, and I don't drink if im not around drinkers, i can go months with out a drink and not care, but if theres a night out on the cards, you know I'll be reaching for a drink, getting drunk and having a brilliant time, who cares if I spend a load of money? it is only money, as long as i don't go too far and get into debt its not a problem, if i didnt drink id have more money, but id have had less friends, money dosent do anything for you when its sat in the bank or your wallet, my phiolosophy is that you only get one chance at life, make sure you enjoy it, as long as you arnt harming outhers then its not somthing you need to worry about.

[The Bard]

Steady on there, that's an eyefull.

[blender]

I like to get drunk, grope girls, break noses and piss in my bed. When I wake up the next day I usually throw-up in the toilet and then forget to feed the cat. Sometimes I go for a drive to freshen up. However, I suspect that I am over the limit. However, because it is daylight, it doesn't matter.

[Aimless]

mate, if you think i don't care about outher people your mistaken. i do care, but i honestly think that alcohal is a good thing, and you say the things i mentioned don't lead to death? what about obesity? that claims lives every year, and thats as related to tv/video games as dinking is to gbh.
I didn't say you didn't care about people. I don't think I even implied that.

As for obesity, it's as I said before: everything in moderation. Obesity is a major health problem, but so is smoking; the topic isn't 'Binge Drinking, Alcohol, Smoking & Obesity'. Plus I'd say obesity is more the spawn of poor nutrition than the invention of the TV. TV dinners, sure, but not television itself.

I'm not saying everyone that drinks alcohol in some form or another is going to knife people at every opportunity, but as a substance it negatively affects millions of people. And certainly in the UK it's getting worse!
The alcohol-related death rate in the UK increased from 6.9 per 100,000 population in 1991 to 12.9 in 2005. The number of alcohol-related deaths has more than doubled from 4,144 in 1991 to 8,386 in 2005.
Over 8,000 people dead in a year, and that's just the UK. Is your enjoyment of alcohol worth 8,000 lives? Is it even worth one?

Perhaps a shift in perspective would help elucidate the matter. Do you think the UK should change its laws on gun ownership to be more in line with the USA? Sure gun crime would skyrocket, but why should those that can responsibly own a gun suffer because of the irresponsible few?

You talk of the "pros of alcohol", but that isn't enough. Tell me what they are, don't just say they exist and expect me to accept it. So far all I've seen you do is appeal to tradition, but that means precisely nothing; slavery was a big thing for years, so we might as well bring that back in a big way, eh?

No one has ever made a solid case for getting drunk, and I very much doubt you will either.

[Chris the great]

8,000 people die from alcohal related causes a year, thats a lot, but consider how many people drink alcohal, in a country with a population excelling
60,000,000 thats a very small proportio9n, and remember, they say alchoal related deaths, it dosent say alcohal caused deaths, it may be that the statistics include heart dissease, into which drinking would play a part, or some one not realising they have an alergy to the drink or even freak acidents that happen to occur to thouse who are drinking. Would you say that cars should be banned? They cause death, what about red meat? thats been known to cause food poisoning and contribute to weight/heart problems. Theres a load of people saying the violent games and movies are related to crimes, should we ban them? And then we have recriational sex, should that be banned to stop the spread of STDs?

Certainly, alcohal has a dark side, but consider this, alcohal is not necicarily making people violent, alcohal may just happen to appeal to people with a violent disposition, and acts of violence would still be carried out by these people even without the presence of alcohal.

I feel I have justied alcohal in society, it's fun, it livens social events and it brings people together. It serves no less purpouse the the public then TV, movies, video games, football, music or art, yet it seems that people belive that because it lowers inhibitions its some terible Dr Jeckle potion, its not. When alcohal is consumed, synapses between neurons in the brain are blocked. Due to the structure of the brain, regularly performed activities have more related brain cells, meaning more nurons and more synapses,there for during drinking, behaviour with the most synapses, which is the most frequently carried out, will remane were as less frequent behaviours are less common. It isn't making people act vilently,its making people act more naturaly, whichmay be part of its appeal.

[Rummy]

I didn't say you didn't care about people. I don't think I even implied that.

As for obesity, it's as I said before: everything in moderation. Obesity is a major health problem, but so is smoking; the topic isn't 'Binge Drinking, Alcohol, Smoking & Obesity'. Plus I'd say obesity is more the spawn of poor nutrition than the invention of the TV. TV dinners, sure, but not television itself.

I'm not saying everyone that drinks alcohol in some form or another is going to knife people at every opportunity, but as a substance it negatively affects millions of people. And certainly in the UK it's getting worse!

Over 8,000 people dead in a year, and that's just the UK. Is your enjoyment of alcohol worth 8,000 lives? Is it even worth one?

Perhaps a shift in perspective would help elucidate the matter. Do you think the UK should change its laws on gun ownership to be more in line with the USA? Sure gun crime would skyrocket, but why should those that can responsibly own a gun suffer because of the irresponsible few?

You talk of the "pros of alcohol", but that isn't enough. Tell me what they are, don't just say they exist and expect me to accept it. So far all I've seen you do is appeal to tradition, but that means precisely nothing; slavery was a big thing for years, so we might as well bring that back in a big way, eh?

No one has ever made a solid case for getting drunk, and I very much doubt you will either.

It's fun and it makes you feel good, he has definitely said that, more than once.
Would I be right in thinking those stats aren't missing a cent, and are actuall 6.9 per 100,000 people? Thats like...0.000069% risen to 0.000129%?

[Blackfox]

Typically I'll go out once a week, and then maybe to the pub for one or two pints a couple of times a week. I'm probably drinking too much, but I think its the whole "uni-thing". Its not giving me an health problems though, so I don't exactly have the incentive to stop..

As for the whole teetotal vs alcohol debate; alcohol is fun. For me it gives me the confidence to dance, and then the excuse for dancing badly :heh: Its a bit of fun, allows people to unwind a little - its just the idiots who ruin it by not knowing their limits.

Last night was a bit of a bender for me. I think I had around about 30 units ish, over the night... I was pretty lucid throughout most of it. Good times.

[conzer16]

Typically I'll go out once a week, and then maybe to the pub for one or two pints a couple of times a week. I'm probably drinking too much, but I think its the whole "uni-thing". Its not giving me an health problems though, so I don't exactly have the incentive to stop..

As for the whole teetotal vs alcohol debate; alcohol is fun. For me it gives me the confidence to dance, and then the excuse for dancing badly :heh: Its a bit of fun, allows people to unwind a little - its just the idiots who ruin it by not knowing their limits.

Last night was a bit of a bender for me. I think I had around about 30 units ish, over the night... I was pretty lucid throughout most of it. Good times.

30! Holy God BlackFox! According to this (http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069189/) website, you should have no more than 21 units per week! And only 4 units per day!!

How many drinks would 30 units be? ::shrug:

Edit: I did some searching (because this thread is really interesting me, not because I'm pointing out you BF as an example) and found that a regukar pint of lager had roughly 2.3 units and a (standard UK 25ml) vodka shot has 1 unit. So 30 units would roughly be 10 pints and 3 double vodkas ~ jeeze, I've been known to drink that much in one night.

[DCK]

I usually don't go past 10 beers. Don't like getting totally pissed.

With 10 beers it's a lot easier to enjoy people who are totally pissed.

[Blackfox]

30! Holy God BlackFox! According to this (http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069189/) website, you should have no more than 21 units per week! And only 4 units per day!!

How many drinks would 30 units be? ::shrug:

Edit: I did some searching (because this thread is really interesting me, not because I'm pointing out you BF as an example) and found that a regukar pint of lager had roughly 2.3 units and a (standard UK 25ml) vodka shot has 1 unit. So 30 units would roughly be 10 pints and 3 double vodkas ~ jeeze, I've been known to drink that much in one night.

Yeah, there's worse people than me though :heh:
Those kinda nights don;t happen all too often though; if I'm out in clubs I might have about 5-7 Strongbows - then I get bloated and full, and dance it off. I think last night it was the absinthe cocktail that finished me off.

And yeah, it is quite easy to rack up the units, especially as most people don't think beer has that many. Units are also misleading, after 3 or 4 pints I feel quite fine. 30 units had be plastered, but not so much that I couldn;t take care of myself. My friend, on the other hand, had a few cans of beer and ended up vomming all over. Depends on the person!

Maybe I'm airresponsible, but since I'll be treating people in a few years time who have had the effects of alcohol enduced upon them - maybe I'm allowed to go out on the lash a little ;)

Also finding this thread a little funny: we've had a few lectures on alcohol this week, and the effects of it.

[Aimless]

8,000 people die from alcohal related causes a year, thats a lot, but consider how many people drink alcohal, in a country with a population excelling
60,000,000 thats a very small proportio9n, and remember, they say alchoal related deaths, it dosent say alcohal caused deaths, it may be that the statistics include heart dissease, into which drinking would play a part, or some one not realising they have an alergy to the drink or even freak acidents that happen to occur to thouse who are drinking. Would you say that cars should be banned? They cause death, what about red meat? thats been known to cause food poisoning and contribute to weight/heart problems. Theres a load of people saying the violent games and movies are related to crimes, should we ban them? And then we have recriational sex, should that be banned to stop the spread of STDs?

Certainly, alcohal has a dark side, but consider this, alcohal is not necicarily making people violent, alcohal may just happen to appeal to people with a violent disposition, and acts of violence would still be carried out by these people even without the presence of alcohal.

I feel I have justied alcohal in society, it's fun, it livens social events and it brings people together. It serves no less purpouse the the public then TV, movies, video games, football, music or art, yet it seems that people belive that because it lowers inhibitions its some terible Dr Jeckle potion, its not. When alcohal is consumed, synapses between neurons in the brain are blocked. Due to the structure of the brain, regularly performed activities have more related brain cells, meaning more nurons and more synapses,there for during drinking, behaviour with the most synapses, which is the most frequently carried out, will remane were as less frequent behaviours are less common. It isn't making people act vilently,its making people act more naturaly, whichmay be part of its appeal.
Alcohol is not like TV, movies and music because it is not a creative medium, it isn't part of culture. It doesn't catalogue human progression or artistic endeavour, it is simply a drug.

I think you're dancing around my point. You said "in a country with a population excelling 60,000,000 thats a very small proportio9n". Do you think that justifies the deaths? The Holocaust wasn't much of a dent in the world population, so should we waive that as well? This isn't about proportionate statistics, it's about real people that led real lives, just like you. (You can read all about what constitutes an alcohol-related death in this government PDF (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_health/Summary_responses.pdf).)

Cars serve a purpose in society, without them the country would come to a literal standstill. Red meat can cause food poisoning, but it isn't a poison as of itself unlike alcohol, and only excessive consumption of it is a real threat to health which is something covered before. I have never seen any proof that violent movies and games are linked to violent crime, it's all tabloid scaremongering with no actual evidence to back them up; you cannot say the same for drink driving. You can't ban recreational sex as reproduction is an integral part of life and it would be something impossible to enforce, and whilst STDs are a huge problem people don't go out and pay to suffer them.

What unique role does alcohol serve? "It's fun and it feels good", like Rummy said? So does Exstacy. Should we make that legally available from off licenses? Hell, all drugs fit that purpose so let's just legalise everything, yeah?

Nobody needs alcohol to have fun. I'm not saying it isn't a social lubricant for people, but it isn't a requirement of fun or being social. If you're someone that can only have fun with your friends when drunk then the problem isn't being sober, it's hanging out with the wrong people.

Going back to my original point, you may remember I've said on several occasions that I don't begrudge people the occasional drink, I just find the entire practise of getting drunk completely needless and irresponsible. So far no one has offered any justification for it other than "it's fun", which I feel, when weighed up against the personal, social, and cultural cost, is no defense at all.

[rokhed00]

What unique role does alcohol serve? "It's fun and it feels good", like Rummy said? So does Exstacy. Should we make that legally available from off licenses? Hell, all drugs fit that purpose so let's just legalise everything, yeah?

I don't see why not, they already sell the one drug that is, supposedly, guaranteed to kill you.

[Chris the great]

you say drinking isnt a creative emdium, clearly youve never drunk a fine wine.

There is a point to going out and getting drunk, regardless of whether you agree with it, it is fun, saying people dont need to drink to have fun is like saying you don't need a car to get to palces, its not necicarily needed but it makes things faster.

I don't understand why people like football, which in many cases leads to violence and anti social behaviour, yet i accept that it makes a lot of people very happy, and by not watching football, im not saying that thouse who do are making a mistake, that the chance of violence, crowd behaviour and stress (all factors that can be linked to football) are outweighing the pros of them watching the game.

As for compairing alcohal to extacy, its not the same thing, the effects on the body of the two drugs are very different, they act in different ways and the effects on a persons actions and behaviours are different.

I do dissagree with people drinking far to much to regularly, but what is too much differs from person to person, the recomended units of alcohal in a week is just plain daft, how can the government say that if i go drinking with a 3foot skinny guy and a 7 foot body builder that they should both have no more then 21 units of alcoha in that week? its like only giving shoes in size 9 to every person. As long as you arnt doing irreperable damage to your body, whats the harm in getting drunk every once in a while? admitedly there are health risks, its the same with the food i eat, but what it all boild down to is that im alot happier eating the odd burger, and id rather take the risks, which for the level i drink, are relitivly low, and enjoy life.

oh, and compairing the holocaust to binge drinking, thats not the same, the halocauset was murder, pre ordaned and malicious, the majority of alcohal related deaths, with the exception of a few of the fights that go on are acciedental.

[The Bard]

Er, I've only read the first line, but I'd like to point out that drinking wine isn't a "creative meduim..." It's...drinking wine...now, if you're lucky, wine will taste something close to vinegar, so really, you're saying tasting ethanoic acid and ethanol (a substance the body has a natural repulsion to), so in reality, the only reason anyone has for "tasting wine" is some stupid, pseudo artistic excuse to get drunk. They might aswell be tasting grape juice for fucks sake. I really do find it amusing how people pass the least enjoyable things imaginable as "art." Of course, some people say that it wouldn't be "art" if it were enjoyable ;).

As for Aimless, I do envy and admire your stance on all this, mainly because I guess it makes you a better person than I am (I really don't care what harm others inflict upon themselves through drugs, we can't go around holding their hands like little children, if they can't look after themselves without a law in place, then they're either a fool or a coward who can't turn away from what society expects them to be; they're not independant and intelligent enough to be worth giving a damn about in the first place).

[Aimless]

you say drinking isnt a creative emdium, clearly youve never drunk a fine wine.
I'm not saying there isn't skill involved, but I don't see it as a creative medium. What does it say about humanity, what does it say about society, how is it progressive? There is certainly talent behind all those bottles on the shelves, much as J. Robert Oppenheimer was a genius. Much as he thought against the misuse of his creation, I very much doubt creators of fine wines would advocate getting drunk on their produce.


There is a point to going out and getting drunk, regardless of whether you agree with it, it is fun, saying people dont need to drink to have fun is like saying you don't need a car to get to palces, its not necicarily needed but it makes things faster.
It takes me just over an hour to walk into town from my house. Driving that journey takes about 5 minutes.

If I'm doing something fun then it is fun immediately. ExciteTruck is fun, and it doesn't take half-an-hour to build up to that, it's fun straight away.

Being drunk makes things seem fun which you might normally not consider to be. That isn't speeding things up, it's lowering the bar. And when you lower that standard you won't match up to the expectations of people that aren't drunk, part of the reason why drunk people are no fun to be around. That's why I call it selfish and not social. In the majority of cases drunk people are only really appreciated by other drunk people.

I don't understand why people like football, which in many cases leads to violence and anti social behaviour, yet i accept that it makes a lot of people very happy, and by not watching football, im not saying that thouse who do are making a mistake, that the chance of violence, crowd behaviour and stress (all factors that can be linked to football) are outweighing the pros of them watching the game.
Personally I don't like football, but I don't think you can blame the sport for violence surrounding it. Football hooligans don't really care about the game, they're just after an excuse — ironically hooliganism tends to be fueled by alcohol. Furthermore it isn't a narcotic, it doesn't have lasting physiological effects.

As for compairing alcohal to extacy, its not the same thing, the effects on the body of the two drugs are very different, they act in different ways and the effects on a persons actions and behaviours are different.
My point is that if you use alcohol to "have fun and feel good" it is just as self-serving a drug as Exstacy. The difference between them is really only one of degree; if the government didn't make so much tax on alcohol it would have been banned long ago.

I do dissagree with people drinking far to much to regularly, but what is too much differs from person to person, the recomended units of alcohal in a week is just plain daft, how can the government say that if i go drinking with a 3foot skinny guy and a 7 foot body builder that they should both have no more then 21 units of alcoha in that week? its like only giving shoes in size 9 to every person. As long as you arnt doing irreperable damage to your body, whats the harm in getting drunk every once in a while? admitedly there are health risks, its the same with the food i eat, but what it all boild down to is that im alot happier eating the odd burger, and id rather take the risks, which for the level i drink, are relitivly low, and enjoy life.
I don't care about unit limits; they're as useless as GDAs on food. And I'll say again that I don't mind people drinking now and then, it is the whole ethos of going out with the aim being to get drunk. I don't see drunk people having more fun than those that have had a glass of wine or two. I do see the former throwing up, being overtly obnoxious and not in control of themselves, though. If you accidentally go a bit over your limit then fair enough, you'll know better next time. But a lot of people — you can hear them bragging about their intentions every day — go out with the sole aim of getting drunk. Not having a drink, but getting drunk. That is what I cannot stand, that is what upsets me.

I understand why people have a glass or two to relax their inhibitions, but as far as I can see getting drunk has no advantages over that. And yet going out to get pissed has become more than a cultural norm, it's expected of pretty much everyone in their late teens or twenties. Don't you think that's wrong?

You probably think I'm trying to force you not to drink, but that isn't it. The reality is that current social conventions push people to drink and get drunk. If anyone is being pressured it isn't you, it's people like me that don't drink. Now I've no problem just saying no, because I'm a stubborn bastard — I'm sure you've noticed — but you need only look outside your local Co-Op after dark to see how enamored this country's youth is with alcohol and getting drunk. Now some of these people will grow out of it, but what of those that don't? They're the ones lying dead in twisted wreckage, they're the ones lying in hospital with liver failure. And their numbers are growing.


oh, and compairing the holocaust to binge drinking, thats not the same, the halocauset was murder, pre ordaned and malicious, the majority of alcohal related deaths, with the exception of a few of the fights that go on are acciedental.
My point was that you said that the people that die alcohol-related deaths are only a small percentage of the population, but percentages don't have anything to do with it. Try using that argument against the families of people that have died due to alcohol and see what kind of response you get. The fact is that no one should be dying for it. No one.

But you know what, screw it. This isn't going to change anything. All it's doing is draining me of all energy and depressing me due to the futility of it all. You 'win'.

[Bren]

thanks to this thread im getting drunk tonite, its just inspired me to get some heinekin! WOOO!

[conzer16]

I picked up 18 bottles of Miller for €15 :)

[Rummy]

Alcohol is not like TV, movies and music because it is not a creative medium, it isn't part of culture. It doesn't catalogue human progression or artistic endeavour, it is simply a drug.

I beg to differ on that point, it is very much a part of some cultures, and I'd say british culture is one of them. Also, if it wasn't so much a part of general culture, I imagine it would be illegal like all the other drugs.
You also said no one needs it to have fun, how do you know? Are you everyone? I think maybe there are some people out there who do.
You strike me as very closed to the idea of it being anything but stupid, yet if it was so stupid why would so many people drink it? Yes there's some deaths from it too, but that I say is down to the people and not solely the alcohol. There's deaths from gaming every year, let's make them illegal! You said you haven't seen any evidence, but I was learning about it just the other day, the general consensus amongst social psychologist is that violent games/movies DO increase violent behaviour, but the argument of 'small proportion' is used to counter it. I haven't seen the sources myself, I've been told this by my lecturer on the subject, but I take her word for it. I'm gonna email her and try and find some sources for you.

30! Holy God BlackFox! According to this (http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069189/) website, you should have no more than 21 units per week! And only 4 units per day!!

How many drinks would 30 units be? ::shrug:

Edit: I did some searching (because this thread is really interesting me, not because I'm pointing out you BF as an example) and found that a regukar pint of lager had roughly 2.3 units and a (standard UK 25ml) vodka shot has 1 unit. So 30 units would roughly be 10 pints and 3 double vodkas ~ jeeze, I've been known to drink that much in one night.

Units are 1cl(10ml) of alcohol, so if you put the quantity of something into cl and multiply it by the percentage, you have the units in it, just for anyone not so sure of how to work it out. I try to do the numbers on alot of what I drink, both for the cost of what I'm drinking, and the knowledge of what I'm putting in me. Most pints are in excess of two units, as I worked out earlier, they'd have to be pretty weak(3.4%) to be 2units/less.

[mcj metroid]

To people who have read Dante's post (http://www.n-europe.com/forum/showpost.php?p=390854&postcount=35089) about Ireland being the binge drinking capital of the world.....how many drinks do you have on a regular night out? And how often do you have a night out?

Do you go out to get drunk in a night club with loads of people, or do you prefer a sociable drink with some friends in a quiet pub?

What are NE's opinions on binge drinking and alcohol in general?

Going out the town is very over-rated. I drink the odd time since i've got my age card. I drink far more at house parties which are far more fun. Yes we are the binge drinking capital of the world:)

[Chris the great]

Well, to be honest, the argument isn't going to be resolved is it, saying you win isn't really necicary, I wasn't trying to win any arguments, simply discuss the issues, after all whats the point of a forum without discussion?

[conzer16]

Units are 1cl(10ml) of alcohol, so if you put the quantity of something into cl and multiply it by the percentage, you have the units in it, just for anyone not so sure of how to work it out. I try to do the numbers on alot of what I drink, both for the cost of what I'm drinking, and the knowledge of what I'm putting in me. Most pints are in excess of two units, as I worked out earlier, they'd have to be pretty weak(3.4%) to be 2units/less.

It's 10 ml of pure ethanol. I just wanted to point that out as some people get confused between alcohol and a pint; ie a pint is alcohol etc.

An average pint of lager (as I pointed out earlier) is roughly 2.3 units.

A pint = 568ml, so [ (568ml * 4%)/1000 ] = 2.3

That's how I worked out my units earlier.

[Aimless]

Well, to be honest, the argument isn't going to be resolved is it, saying you win isn't really necicary, I wasn't trying to win any arguments, simply discuss the issues, after all whats the point of a forum without discussion?
I said 'win', not win.

If you'd prefer a longhand explanation, I find discussions such as these draining as they don't go anywhere nor change anything and tend to leave me looking the bad guy, so I'm not going to continue banging my head against a brick wall as all it results in is a headache. I'm no savant, I'm not going to bring anything new to this discussion; I tread in others' footsteps and it's a familiar path with no hidden treasure at its end.

[Chris the great]

thats a round and about way of saying you can't be bothered any more, and i was rather enjoying the little exchange.

[Rummy]

It's 10 ml of pure ethanol. I just wanted to point that out as some people get confused between alcohol and a pint; ie a pint is alcohol etc.

An average pint of lager (as I pointed out earlier) is roughly 2.3 units.

A pint = 568ml, so [ (568ml * 4%)/1000 ] = 2.3

That's how I worked out my units earlier.

Yeah, I was just putting out there for people who weren't sure how to work it all out, also to point out I'd already done the calculations :P. Not sure what you meant about the pure ethanol bit though?
Aimless, you may be horrified to know I'm going out in a few hours, it's quite likely I'm gonna start drinking at like 4 oclock and I plan to get just past tipsy at some point tonight.

[rokhed00]

A pint = 568ml, so [ (568ml * 4%)/1000 ] = 2.3

4%?
What kind of piss are you drinking?

[conzer16]

4%?
What kind of piss are you drinking?

I was taking an average lager :p

Bottled Miller in hand 4.7% ;)