Nintendo is full of lies.

[zpmodel]

Nintendo is full of lies, or at least some of their game-journalists are. I remmeber before the launch of the Wii that there was an article here at n-europe claiming that the Wii's hardware would be like a "souped up Xbox".
Riiiiiight....you could have fouled me, in which they did.

I also remember another article here claiming that Metroid Prime 3 will have "the best graphics". I've seen footage of the game, and as good as it looks, calling it "the best graphics" is another flat out lie.

I'm not some Xbox360/PS3 fanboy coming here to flame; in fact I own only a Wii. But im just curious, does anyone else feel decieved?

[ShadowV7]

This may of been better over at the Wii Board....

[Tellyn]

Not really deceived.

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

By Nintendo? All the time. People complain about Sony lying, but Nintendo do it all the time aswell. They're just better at covering it. Normally with more lies and hyperbole.
They've managed to create a zombie nation of people who do nothing but regurgitate Nintendo PR and talk about "ease of development" and "innovation". Yeah right. Come back and talk to me when you learn to think for yourself.

[ipaul]

Yes I feel utterly outraged and disgusted at those money making corprate bastards. They're a business and their sole purpose ios making money. You expect them from time to time to exaggerate the quality of their products. I wouldn't say they've told any outright lies yet.

[Jasper]

Nintendo is full of lies, or at least some of their game-journalists are. I remmeber before the launch of the Wii that there was an article here at n-europe claiming that the Wii's hardware would be like a "souped up Xbox".
Riiiiiight....you could have fouled me, in which they did.

I also remember another article here claiming that Metroid Prime 3 will have "the best graphics". I've seen footage of the game, and as good as it looks, calling it "the best graphics" is another flat out lie.

I'm not some Xbox360/PS3 fanboy coming here to flame; in fact I own only a Wii. But im just curious, does anyone else feel decieved?

You're seeing things, dude. The Wii is capable of better graphics than an Xbox, for sure. It is a souped up Xbox. And Metroid Prime games have always looked great. There is just no real footage except filmed on avaible. Both are very true facts up untill now. Just please remember that the last time Nintendo showed the game they didn't allow anyone to take captures of it - so all screenshots are films of playing the game, not movie captures.

And it's called advertising. If you should blame someone for lying, it's sony. 4D? Doesn't exist, Sony. Except if the PS3 can travel through time.

[Shino]

Oh poor baby!

[Gaijin von Snikbah]

Tomorrow there will be rain rain and more rain. With perhaps a slight chance of sun.

It could also be that some people hype things out of proportion, and in a way lies to themselves. Huh, talk about sillyheads.

[Shoe]

Yeah, those bastards said it was gonna be fun

Bring on the Mario Kart!

[McMad]

I'm still bitter about the fact that Iwata said it would look nearly as good in standard definition compared to how good the PS3 and 360 look in HD.

[Tellyn]

I'm still bitter about the fact that Iwata said it would look nearly as good in standard definition compared to how good the PS3 and 360 look in HD.

I don't think he ever said that...

[McMad]

E3 2005, he said that, a lot of people have also quoted that in the past.

Hard to believe now though, I mean the Wii's not even close.

[Fierce_LiNk]

I'm still bitter about the fact that Iwata said it would look nearly as good in standard definition compared to how good the PS3 and 360 look in HD.

Surely that's down to what games you compare, anyway.

In no way do these first wave of games represent the power that the Wii can potentially produce. Lazy developing is the problem.

[Cube]

So, because of two completely unofficial statements, Nintendo is full of lies?

[Hellfire]

Flinky lock this and get it over with.

[Fierce_LiNk]

Flinky lock this and get it over with.

I won't lock it right now. There's potential here for good discussion, like McMad is trying to get into.

[McMad]

In no way do these first wave of games represent the power that the Wii can potentially produce. Lazy developing is the problem.

But we've yet to see any games that look to actaully be a step up from last gen bar Galaxy.

In E3 2005, 6 months before the console was released and a year and a half before the game was released, Gears of War was showcased for the 360 and when it was released it still had those same breathtaking graphics.

So what developers can make a great effort with new technology but not with technology they already know?

I really do think the Wii is quite under powered and that developers are struggling to make much an improvement from the Gamecube.

[Cube]

But we've yet to see any games that look to actaully be a step up from last gen bar Galaxy.

...which was pretty much running on GameCube hardware...

[LukeLee]

Nintendo do talk very optimistically, putting the image that there is already a great gaming system for hardcore and casual gamers and that the graphics are amazing.

Truthfully the first wave of games are subpar, its about developers rushing to try and make money, the standards are low. Graphically the best looking game on wii is zelda and thats basically a gamecube game. I feel pretty sure that the wii will have more power than an original xbox (how old is that technology now?). Early adopters always pay the price. In a year or so we'll have some amazing games, anyone who's patient enough to wait gets the console cheaper and a much better selection of games.

[Shino]

But we've yet to see any games that look to actaully be a step up from last gen bar Galaxy.

In E3 2005, 6 months before the console was released and a year and a half before the game was released, Gears of War was showcased for the 360 and when it was released it still had those same breathtaking graphics.

So what developers can make a great effort with new technology but not with technology they already know?

I really do think the Wii is quite under powered and that developers are struggling to make much an improvement from the Gamecube.

You have a short memory, I can remmeber exactly what people thought of 360's first games. And 6 months before the Wii was released and probably a year and a half before it will be released, Mario Galaxy had breathtaking graphics.

[Goron_3]

Nintendo is full of lies, or at least some of their game-journalists are. I remmeber before the launch of the Wii that there was an article here at n-europe claiming that the Wii's hardware would be like a "souped up Xbox".
Riiiiiight....you could have fouled me, in which they did.

I also remember another article here claiming that Metroid Prime 3 will have "the best graphics". I've seen footage of the game, and as good as it looks, calling it "the best graphics" is another flat out lie.

I'm not some Xbox360/PS3 fanboy coming here to flame; in fact I own only a Wii. But im just curious, does anyone else feel decieved?

You can't have seen metroid prime 3 (unless you're referring to the really old videos which were basically running on Gamecubes...)

[Teppo Holmqvist]

You have a short memory, I can remmeber exactly what people thought of 360's first games.

Souped up Xbox, that was what most were thinking.

[christophicus]

I'm still bitter about the fact that Iwata said it would look nearly as good in standard definition compared to how good the PS3 and 360 look in HD.


Are you shure that he did not say that the Wii will nearly look as good as the 360 and PS3 if they all use an SD tv . Cause there is no way a SD quality can compeet with HD.

Nice one link for not closing the thread. :)

[Atomic Boo]

Iwata said the graphics would make you say 'wow'
all i say at the moment is 'meh'

i actually think metroid looks lush though.
hopefully this wont just be an exception in the future, cause we're hardly far into its life and developers are just cashing in on the new consumer market, but hopefully this time next year some cool titles will pop up.

[IMJ]

If Nintendo is full of lies, then what should we call Sony? I'm not saying Nintendo hasn't done their fair share of broken promises (DVD-enabled Wii at launch comes to mind), but nowadays, they're a much better, public-minded company. Full of lies? No, definitely not. Not as good as we expected? Perhaps.

Part of your disappointment comes from the hype machine called internet. How many 'insiders' reports have we seen of that the Wii would get dual core processors, had some secrets up it sleeve that would allow super powerful chips in such a tiny case. All wishful thinking.

The other part comes from the secrecy and vagueness of Nintendo executives. Like, Iwata stated at E306 (or was it 05?) that "you will say 'WOW!' when you see the graphics". Um, no we didn't. The first in-game trailers were kinda underwhelming TBH. I did say WOW when I first experienced Wii Sports, but definitely not the graphics.

So all said and done, I think what we've seen so far, there is still no one game that represents true potential of the Wii. Come Metroid Prime 3, then we'll see what developers can churn out if they take some time.

[Cube]

(DVD-enabled Wii comes to mind)

But that was just an "attachement" that was canned...It's not like Nintendo let people pre-order the console, then change some of the console's features...

[McMad]

You have a short memory, I can remmeber exactly what people thought of 360's first games. And 6 months before the Wii was released and probably a year and a half before it will be released, Mario Galaxy had breathtaking graphics.

You think people originally thought Gears looked crap?

It was one of those trailers that was originally accused of being pre-rendered, but unlike the Advance Warfighter trailer Gears actually delivered on what it previewed.

Sure Mario Galaxy looks a lot better than other Wii games, and that's what I said in my post, but my point was how comes developers can make the effort with other consoles, but not the Wii?

I just think the Wii really isn't that powerful, but Nintendo are always good with their own technology and get some very good graphics out of their games.

Now if only developers could show us some effort like Capcom and prove people wrong that Nintendo do not make the only good games on Nintendo consoles.

[Hellfire]

This is already been discussed a million times and it will continue to be. GC was in almost every way as powerful as an XBOX, it lagged behind in some stuff, but so did XBOX, so how can a better GC not be better than a XBOX? ALso, MP3 looks stunning, it's just that the other Metroids were so well made that for someone who doesn't have a good eye it's hard to tell the difference. The normal mapping, the bloom effects, the lightning, the textures, the polygon count, everything is much better than MP2. Also Red Steel, even though it has some flaws graphically also has some stuff that wasn't possible on GC. And it was a launch title. Main problem is, because it's not to powerful devs get lazy and just port PS2/ GC games and leave it at that. Also, it's known that a lot of devs worked on Wii games with a GC devkit with the controller plugged in, so lots of devs didn't want to fork out the cash for a Wii dev kit and are working on GC devkits. Most devs didn't take the effort or have the talent to squeeze out the awesomeness of the GC hardware, which is amazing, so when we see devs actually learning from Nintendo, Capcom and Factor 5 we'll see better looking games. Don't expect nothng like 360 or Ps3 games, leave that comparison. What matters is that games don't make your eyes bleed. Dewey's Adventure for example has a simplistic graphic style, but it's very good at what it does and it's definetly better than a GC/XBOX game.
Also, devs are focusing on the controller, which of course takes time and since it's Wii's main point, unlike 360 and PS3 where their main attraction is graphics. So I don't mind. I really don't care, I mean, I still play NES games, because of the gameplay, graphics are really a non issue to me, except for framerate of course, that's important. And no, Nintendo didn't lie, Wii is more powerful than a GC and more powerful than a XBOX, if you you doubt that, you're an idiot. Period. Just wait and you'll get pretty games, maybe they'll satisfy you and you'll be happy and then realize you didn't care in the first place. Again, this is pointless, we discussed this a million times and I don't see it stopping unless devs get off their asses and start working. At least change the freaking topic title.

[Atomic Boo]

Helfire is correct
but id still like more effort from nintendos graphics department, they have the money to make things heppen, so why don they? id love 360-like graphics, it is amazing what it can churn out, and i love to play goo-looking games.
imagine what metroid could look like on 360, okay itll look immense on wii, but, you know...

[Kurtle Squad]

I'm still bitter about the fact that Iwata said it would look nearly as good in standard definition compared to how good the PS3 and 360 look in HD.
No...He said it would look almost as good as HD consoles NOT running in HD.

So, because of two completely unofficial statements, Nintendo is full of lies?
Yeah...I noticed that.:wtf:


How is it not a "souped up XBox"?...I don't quite get the argument

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

Nintendo isn't full of lies. That implies they tell nothing but lies. I'd say they tell about as many as Sony. Only people complain when Sony does it and are happy to play ignorant when Nintendo do. That's what I just can't understand.

[DCK]

Nintendo is full of lies, or at least some of their game-journalists are. I remmeber before the launch of the Wii that there was an article here at n-europe claiming that the Wii's hardware would be like a "souped up Xbox".
Riiiiiight....you could have fouled me, in which they did.

I also remember another article here claiming that Metroid Prime 3 will have "the best graphics". I've seen footage of the game, and as good as it looks, calling it "the best graphics" is another flat out lie.

I'm not some Xbox360/PS3 fanboy coming here to flame; in fact I own only a Wii. But im just curious, does anyone else feel decieved?
1) Wii is as powerful as a souped up Xbox, what's your point?
2) "The best graphics" is obviously referring to its own platform, the Wii. MP3 is actually one of the best looking games on the Wii, although Mario Galaxy may top it so far.

Seems to me you have misinterpreted some stuff here.

Obviously Nintendo is as much a lying bastard company as the other two, but I don't see how they lied here.

[Shino]

Nintendo isn't full of lies. That implies they tell nothing but lies. I'd say they tell about as many as Sony. Only people complain when Sony does it and are happy to play ignorant when Nintendo do. That's what I just can't understand.

I think its because Sony deliberatly tries to showoff their lies.

[Kurtle Squad]

Nintendo isn't full of lies. That implies they tell nothing but lies. I'd say they tell about as many as Sony. Only people complain when Sony does it and are happy to play ignorant when Nintendo do. That's what I just can't understand.

When have Nintendo lied as much/badly as Sony?
Mostly it's just stuff they've planned & scrapped or they just delay games; big deal.

[Jasper]

I think its because Sony deliberatly tries to showoff their lies.

Damned funny. Made me RoFL! or LoL! or RoXoR! Okay, not roxor. It made me laugh at least. :wink:

[Owen]

My only complaint is about release dates!

Yeah, yeah...i know...they longer they delay a game the better it 'normally' gets and yes they can't release top games all in one go...

But come-on, saying Metroid was a launch title months before launch then delaying it and not even given us a hint on when it will come out or any new info? Not good, really.

Then saying Mario Galaxy will come out near launch, Q1 2007...yeah right, we all know it's not coming out till November..so why tell us otherwise?

Wasn't Smash Bros meant to be a launch title as well? Whats happened to that?

Just stop saying stuff about release dates till you know it's definately ready for release, problem solved.

:D

[McMad]

Oh yeah, and the Wii's graphics never made me say; 'Wow'.

What about you guys?

[christophicus]

no not so far at least.


Actually Battalion wars Wii did make me say wow but that wa only in comparison to other Wii titles.

[Shino]

Oh yeah, and the Wii's graphics never made me say; 'Wow'.

What about you guys?

SMG did, I remember perfectly. Me and 2 friends with a ign insider account, an output to a normal SDTV in the living room, watching The Last E3 EVER. I did say "WOW" to SMG.

[Cube]

1) Wii is as powerful as a souped up Xbox, what's your point?

Surely you could claim that any future console is as powerful as a "souped up Xbox"? It just depends on how "souped up" it is


Oh yeah, and the Wii's graphics never made me say; 'Wow'.

What about you guys?

Excite Truck's did. Sure they aren't technologicaly advanced, but they made me wow at it's beauty. I've never been wowed by a 360 or PS3 game....tbh, they don't look that much better than RE4...

[ShadowV7]

The only games that made go "Wow" was just a couple at E3...

[Stocka]

Iwata: When you turn on the console and look at the graphics you will say WOW!

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/images/smilies/laugh.gif
The only time I recall saying Wow is "wow that looks bloody awful".

[flameboy]

ZZZZZ...so when it boils down to it we have another graphics/HD thread.

They havn't lied about the abilities of the Wii, look at Sonic is has a great artist direction and great graphics, even compared to Resident Evil 4, in terms of graphical quality by the likes of 1up.

It has the ability to create great graphics, but these things take time...it was bound to happen as well with the Wii's architecture being so similar to that of Gamecube. It is easy for developers to port games just like they would have done from PS2 to Gamecube. But as people get more to grips with its abilities and see how much it can be pushed and how it can do things different to the cube.

So either hold fire and keep your Wii safe in the knowledge that you will play some of the most fresh innovative games ever, and that with time the graphics will get better, either that or if you want your great graphics go and buy a 360 or wait for PS3.

[DCK]

Oh yeah, and the Wii's graphics never made me say; 'Wow'.

What about you guys?
Mario Galaxy did, but that's just because I was expecting nothing and Nintendo still managed to pull 360 (launch time) graphics.

[ShadowV7]

I was (and still am) impressed a bit with Red Steels graphics.

Brawl,Galaxy and Corruption make me go "Wow"

[That Guy]

The only thing that I want to see from Nintendo is them investing that profit from the Wii into developing some quality games, new studios and new franchises. I don't think they lie as such.

I do agree with Owen, the only lies are saying games will be released and then not releasing them. Don't tell everyone Mario Galaxy will be out within 6 months of launch and then tell everyone end of 2007.

I would also like to say that I really do like Zeldas graphics, I'm really impressed with them sometimes and I've owned a 360 for months now. It makes me sad to think what Nintendo could do with HD.

[raven_blade2006]

Wii has a lot more potential to show. Im 100% sure of that. It just takes time for developers to get out of lazy ways and start harnessing it. SMG proves that Wii has a lot more in reserve, looking that good at such an early stage.

[Jasper]

Iwata: When you turn on the console and look at the graphics you will say WOW!
The only time I recall saying Wow is "wow that looks bloody awful".

I remember Iwta's 'wow' being in the same line as in 'graphics will be good enough, you'll get the experience'. I think he meant something in the lines of that. He meant the 'wow' more in the way that it blew you away with gameCube and it will do that some more with Wii.

[Menkor]

Not a single game has impressed me with its graphics yet

The Wii is more powerful than a GC, the difference is not as big as between the N64 and Xbox but it is still a clear difference between them
The Wii and GC got almost the same architecture, Capcom could easily port or update the RE4 engine to the Wii
Nintendo ported TP to the Wii and it was no problems, it even ran better on some parts then on the GC and that show us how easy it is to make games for the Wii

Nintendo should release a tech demo to show us the graphical capabiluty of the Wii

[Fierce_LiNk]

Oh yeah, and the Wii's graphics never made me say; 'Wow'.

What about you guys?

For your point about Gears of War: It's an exclusive, and a very big one at that. I think if I defined it as a system seller, many people would not disagree with me. It HAS to look that good, and a lot of effort has clearly been put into it. How long has that game been in development?

With something like Red Steel, it's not the same thing. It's an exclusive, yes, but how many other titles were Ubisoft working on at the time? Take a look at something like Mario Galaxy and compare it to any ordinary looking game on the Wii, and the difference there is to do with:

1. Who is behind the game? - who's developing it. Resources are important. Some developers put more effort in than others, because they either choose to, or because of other factors.

2. Time is a resource. Super Smash Bros. Brawl WILL look good (it already does) and the game has been in development for some time. It's a big hitter. It HAS to look good. They can spend a year or two on it if need be, as it'll build hype, and it'll be polished. There's not a rush like there was for something like Red Steel to get it out for launch.

3. Status.

It's very unlikely we'll see a third party title ever surpass Nintendo's own. On the Gamecube, Resident Evil 4 was an exception, and that was because for one thing, it's a big franchise. It was an exclusive to the Gamecube at the time, and it had time to be polished and for the whole experience to be smoothed over. You won't see a Fifa title like this, because they have to be developed for more than one system and the timeframe.

That's my view, I hope it makes sense.

As for your point about the wowness, I think a lot of people are going overboard about the whole graphical side of things. Graphics don't have to be HD or uber-realistic to be gorgeous. I think Excitetruck is great graphically, and it has sucked me in. Graphically, none of the games I own at any point would I consider that they are 'bad' graphically.

[Owen]

I watched the conference yesterday (from an old CUBE disc) where it was said on the graphics front that when you first turn it on you will say 'wow'. It was E3 2005 where the Wii was first shown.

That obviously was a ploy to keep you interested. The graphics aren't outstanding, but that really doesn't bother me, there really nice enough so that ain't the problem...I can understand both sides really, i mean...why say the graphics are on par with 360 when they obviously aren't? Just be honest, the console is a huge success anyway. :)

At the moment also, game releases are coming in on a weekly basis and will be up till end-of March. However please NOE tell me, what in gods name do we have to look forward from April-September? because nothings been announced (yet), which is slightly worrying! Also, we really do need to start seeing some First-Party titles in the next coiple of months. I suggest Super Paper Mario is released in Europe in April 07 as well, as that will solve the problem of April having no wii games being released. Hopefully late next month we'll get some details, i let them off for now. :)

Also, as much as i love the Virtual Console, i didn't buy my Wii to have to buy 10 year-old games to fill in the gaps of the actual 'Wii' games which i bought the console for. I'm sure i read Reggie saying something about using the VC to keep releases coming in thick and fast...but didn't most people buy a Wii to play Wii games?

All this moaning though. I still love my Wii, it's great! It's just these little niggly things which annoy and frustrate get in the way.

[Atomic Boo]

I was (and still am) impressed a bit with Red Steels graphics.

Brawl,Galaxy and Corruption make me go "Wow"

how does brawl make you go wow? there hasnt really been any proper footage yet and what has been shown doesnt look all tht amazing anyway

[The Bard]

Brawl looks pretty awesome Tbh, I mean it looks way better than Melee, I play melee every day and that has pretty awesome graphics, well, it looks nice in progressive scan :heh:

[Fierce_LiNk]

Brawl looks pretty awesome Tbh, I mean it looks way better than Melee, I play melee every day and that has pretty awesome graphics, well, it looks nice in progressive scan :heh:

I agree. There's some comparison pictures floating about comparing Melee to Brawl, and it does look fantastic.

[zpmodel]

I'll say "wow" at this forum because I have never seen such an active one yet. It was only 2 hours ago did I create this thread and I already have 2 and a half pages of replies. Nice ;)

Anyhow, I've been convinced to be patient and keep busy with Zelda for now.

I'm in Canada, I'll have Super Paper Mario in 5 weeks! :p

[Atomic Boo]

I'll say "wow" at this forum because I have never seen such an active one yet. It was only 2 hours ago did I create this thread and I already have 2 and a half pages of replies. Nice ;)

Anyhow, I've been convinced to be patient and keep busy with Zelda for now.

I'm in Canada, I'll have Super Paper Mario in 5 weeks! :p
2 pages in 2 hours is quite usual here, so you've come to the right place.

Is anyone else really interested in the Wii-mote use in Galaxy? it looks pretty intriguing and mario should be able to pull off some cool stuff, like the spin attack they've shown. Ringing the bells and using the little shiny circles to latch onto looks good as well.

[Fierce_LiNk]

2 pages in 2 hours is quite usual here, so you've come to the right place.

It depends on the type of thread. Some threads take days to get going.

I think we'll definitely see more great looking games in the future. From first parties, it's an almost certainty, but I think the problems lie with third parties.

[zpmodel]

I think we'll definitely see more great looking games in the future. From first parties, it's an almost certainty, but I think the problems lie with third parties.


Ubisoft. Ubisoft. Ubisoft.

[Atomic Boo]

It depends on the type of thread. Some threads take days to get going.

I think we'll definitely see more great looking games in the future. From first parties, it's an almost certainty, but I think the problems lie with third parties.

yeah, its just developers cashing in on the new consumers whove just got into games and they dont really know what they're buying.
soon though people will be buying the good games.

I know nintendo will want this but i dont want metroid to go too mainstream. I bet loads of people will buy it because there arent many shooters, and because its not like halo it will get slated. Many people from my school who played metroid thought it was crap, but it was only because it wasnt a simple shoot em up and they couldnt complete it.

[Konfucius]

I think it's partly Nintendo's fault that the graphics don't look that good because they shipped the final dev-kits very late.
On the X-360 they could start coding on a PC as the architecture is very similar and plaster everything with shaders once they got nearly final hardware. So it had quite an advantage to produce good graphics near launch.

What I hope though is that devs will stop making cheap PS2 ports and rather show some effort.

What also annoys me a bit is the idea to make a small system. If the system was bigger they could increase clock speed and use a more powerful processor in general without a big difference in cost.

But to be honest when I watch gameplay videos of X-360 games I'm not 'wow'ed either. It's just some extra lighting and a few shaders but you don't actually see most of the beautiful details while playing
a) because you hardly have time to look at it
b) the camera is often too far away (except for FPS) to be able to really see the little details.

I think the so-called next-gen graphics really enhance the cutscenes when you have time to look at them closely.

[mcj metroid]

when did anyone say metroid would have the best graphics?

[IMJ]

You know, talking about the best graphics on Wii, actually, I think Wii Sports looks really good. Yes, it looks over-simplistic, but that's just the art direction. Technically, there's some good stuff in there. The distant blurring, hi-res textures (go compare them to Zelda: TP), the trees. Nothing mind-blowing, but it does look great :)

Anyway, I just love the 'new' Nintendo. Ever since Iwata has been leading the company, they've changed so much. You can he's coming from the development side of the business, whereas the competitors are just... you know, people hired to do jobs. I'm curious what the next few years brings us!

[Aimless]

The problem isn't Nintendo lying, it's the age we live in. Blogs, forums, podcasts, and feeds; we are surrounded by e-pinions. And so everything is analysed, discussed, and sifted for clues. Things are drawn in, made or built up, yet when it all falls over everyone points the finger at pruned company quotes.

Just look at the recent demonisation of Sony, the internet tearing to shreds every piece of badly worded PR. (Not that I'm saying Sony haven't been making a lot of screw ups lately, just that gaming communities the world over make them seem worse then they are. I'm also not exonerating the PR people, as they should know to be more careful with their words.)

As for the Wii's graphics, you will see the bar rise throughout the console's lifetime, just like any other. However, if you're expecting 360/PS3 levels of detail then you -will- be disappointed, as those machines are technically superior than the Wii as is reflected in their pricetags — don't forget that Nintendo are the only company that makes money on hardware sales, with both Sony and Microsoft taking losses, such is the toll for taking the hi-def road.

Personally I think games like ExciteTruck, Sonic and The Secret Rings, and SSX Blur look really nice. A good use of effects, some nice design and, the clincher in my opinion, framerates that don't stutter. They might not be as texture-rich as they would be on a 360 or PS3, but if the game's fun and it runs well does it really matter?

Of course it would be nice if the Wii was the most powerful console that had ever existed, but with great power comes great responsi— complications. Such as cost, noise, development costs, mastering new hardware, manufacturing problems, higher retail prices. The Wii is about simplicity, and when people play to its strengths it can be amazing. I've owned an Xbox 360 since launch, and whilst it does have plenty of good games none of them have plastered a grin over my face like Wii Sports has. Games like Crackdown and Dead Rising are fun, and I'm glad I own them, but the Wii can bring a sense of kinetic enjoyment that the 360 simply doesn't have.

Which is a more valid a form of entertainment? That's for the individual to decide. Personally I appreciate both, and as a dedicated gamer I make it my business to get my hands on as many games as possible.

Now, all those Wii adopters that have bought consoles after playing Wii Sports at a friend's house probably won't share that mentality, but even if they don't get stuck in to everything gaming has to offer they have still enjoyed a videogame enough to go out and make that purchase. That's when something goes mainstream — because gaming isn't, not really — it's when you can talk about something with strangers and be greeted with something other than bemused/worried looks. And when everyone's had a taste of gaming, when it becomes truly accepted, that's when the industry as a whole can start to mature. And that, my friends, is a good thing.

You think I'm banging the drum for the Wii? Of course I am. I see the value in it, the potential, and I find it exciting. Because I'm a geek that cares about gaming as a whole, not just the textures. Because I've invested both time and money into the medium I believe in. Because waving your arms like a loon is just damned fun.

[arab_freak]

"When you see Revolution...you will say WOW".

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

"When you see Revolution...you will say WOW".

Maybe a very sarcastic wow.
But of course, there's still plenty of time for developers to turn it around. And I hope they do. Because right now, it's not wow. It's lol.

[Menkor]

I think it's partly Nintendo's fault that the graphics don't look that good because they shipped the final dev-kits very late.
On the X-360 they could start coding on a PC as the architecture is very similar and plaster everything with shaders once they got nearly final hardware. So it had quite an advantage to produce good graphics near launch.



And Nintendo let them start coding on a GC, what's the difference? Developers have got years of experience with GC and Wii and the GC is in fact almost identical in architecture
They had the exact same advantage like Microsoft

[flameboy]

I have to disagree with a lot of people on here. I did go WOW the first time I saw the revolution, not really at the graphics so much although I do feel the graphics of the likes of Wii Sports still impressed me at the time, they have a very clear artist direction, decisions were made to make it look that way and for me it works.

But is wasn't that that did wow me, it was the wiimote, the opening of new possiblities with gaming, surely thats what Iwata meant? Not the graphics.

And even if he did mean the graphics I still really don't see what is wrong with them that bad, excite truck like Flinky said is gorgeous, it fits the game perfectly there isn't much else that would add anything to the game to make it any better- from a graphical point of view, for me to be honest.

Even Zelda is gorgeous which people have argued against, ok so it has some blurry not very detailed textures, but it is still a great looking game, and it is probably the game that made me feel WOW first owing to its great implentation of the wiimote controls.

[The-chosen-one]

nintendo never said that you will say wow! for the graphic part they said you will say wow when you play it and when i played Wii i loved it i have a 360 and a wii and i like my wii much more even with 360 having better graphics

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

nintendo never said that you will say wow! for the graphic part they said you will say wow when you play it and when i played Wii i loved it i have a 360 and a wii and i like my wii much more even with 360 having better graphics

No. Iwata said it whilst talking about the graphical capabilities. You are wrong.

[Konfucius]

I think it's partly Nintendo's fault that the graphics don't look that good because they shipped the final dev-kits very late.
On the X-360 they could start coding on a PC as the architecture is very similar and plaster everything with shaders once they got nearly final hardware. So it had quite an advantage to produce good graphics near launch.

And Nintendo let them start coding on a GC, what's the difference? Developers have got years of experience with GC and Wii and the GC is in fact almost identical in architecture
They had the exact same advantage like Microsoft

The thing is many devs actually just made PS2 ports and so had little experience in exploiting the GC's unique features and it's quite a difference (in the graphics department) between coding on a four years old machine and a more or less new PC. However I agree with that Eggebrecht (sp?) form Factor5 that it really is disappointing to see that devs don't even do now what Factor5 did four years ago on the GC.


Edit: I also watched E3 2005 again (or the part about graphics) and Iwata said: "When you ???? on Revolution and you see the graphics, you will say: wow"

[Zechs Merquise]

when did anyone say metroid would have the best graphics?

I can't remember who said it, but it was said. However I think they were saying it was the best graphics on the Wii, or in the series. I don;t think it was meant to be taken that they were the best graphics ever.

[flameboy]

I can't remember who said it, but it was said. However I think they were saying it was the best graphics on the Wii, or in the series. I don;t think it was meant to be taken that they were the best graphics ever.

it was best graphics in the series they said. Think I have it on a DVD somewhere will take a look.

[Konfucius]

I watched the whole Revolution presentation at E³ 2005 again and got some of the most important parts. It turns out that many of it held true.

512 MB Flash memory and SD card reader. true

When you ???? on Revolution and you see the graphics, you will say: wow :indeed:

Owners can also choose a small internal attachment to play movies and other DVD contents. yay we get a new Wii that does that instead :indeed:

Wi-Fi and Internet used very loosely in the presentation but in this case true

Appealing to every member of household, whether gamer or not. it actually worked out like they wanted it to

All controllers will be wireless and the controllers will be very unique. true as well

We are working on several Wi-Fi titles, each starring one of our key franchise characters. One or two Wi-Fi games will be ready for launch and I am pushing my team to make sure Smash Brothers is one of them. That way no matter where Reggie is, I can always beat him. well the Japanese got a Pokémon game for Wii that uses the DS servers. Not exactly what we were promised. And Smash Bros is pretty far away from being finished.

The gaming experience will separate Revolution from its competitors. true

Mr. Miyamoto is working on something brand-new for Revolution. I think we have yet to see that.

Next-gen versions of Mario and Zelda are already under way. yet to see Zelda but it's a no-brainer that there'll be one for Wii

Many devs have exclusive content for Revolution. true: Red Steel, TH Downhill Jam...

Square Enix is working on a Wi-Fi enabled Version of FF Crystal Chronicles. true I think

On the one hand Revolution is the perfect home for videogame masterpiece. Games that look beautiful, games that play flawlessly, masterpieces that connect you to the game story like no system before. it's mainly PR talk but I put it in because he has some emphasis on the graphics again

Game creation on Revolution can be most developer friendly. Simpler, faster and less expensive than any other new system. true according to devs

Backward compatibility: Virtual Console – download 20 years of Nintendo content. true



I'm actually pretty surprised what turned out to be true. After all some things have to be scrapped most of the time during development.

[Cube]

Things change over time - Nintendo have changed some things, yes, but they haven't changed anything since we could preorder the console. When we preordered the console, we knew what we were getting, which is what counts.

edit: And the graphics are opinionated: He said "beautiful", not "advanced", too.

The only "lie" is Connect 24. Because the Wii isn't actually connected the whole time.

[christophicus]

On the X-360 they could start coding on a PC as the architecture is very similar and plaster everything with shaders once they got nearly final hardware. So it had quite an advantage to produce good graphics near launch.




As far as I know 360 uses IBM processors which actually are not made to run using the PC x86 . I think it was macs they were developing on?? werent the demos at one of the E3's running on macs and not 360's?

[Kurtle Squad]

We are working on several Wi-Fi titles, each starring one of our key franchise characters. One or two Wi-Fi games will be ready for launch and I am pushing my team to make sure Smash Brothers is one of them. That way no matter where Reggie is, I can always beat him. well the Japanese got a Pokémon game for Wii that uses the DS servers. Not exactly what we were promised. And Smash Bros is pretty far away from being finished.
"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever"

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

Explain Starfox Adventures :heh:

[Cube]

Explain Starfox Adventures :heh:

What's needed to be explained? It was a great game...

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

What's needed to be explained? It was a great game...

Liar! Stop spreading your lies!

[Kurtle Squad]

Explain Starfox Adventures :heh:
Don't you mean Assault??? XP

What's needed to be explained? It was a great game...
I agree...Was the 1st game I bought for myself for the GC too.
"General Pepper Here!!"
"Watch out for the mines!!!"

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

They were both pretty horrible in both my and most people's opinions.
Assault moreso, admittedly.

[Kurtle Squad]

Nintendo should get no one other than Factor 5 to make Starfox Wii.

[Cube]

Nintendo should get no one other than Factor 5 to make Starfox Wii.

And it should be mostly on-rails.

[mariosmentor]

And it should be mostly on-rails.

Amen to that.
Repeated the same mistake as Rogue Squadron III. When will they ever learn.

[frankie_baby]

And it should be mostly on-rails.

i reckon lylat wars got the mix perfect

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

i reckon lylat wars got the mix perfect

Indeed. Can't we just get the exact same team that made that to make a new one? :(

[Mike1988uk]

The only "lie" is Connect 24. Because the Wii isn't actually connected the whole time.

i av got a little confused over this because i have heard a few ppl say that but my wii is connected to my wireless network and it has 3 lights on it, one for power, one for broadband connection and one letting me know if something is connected to the network.

Since i got my wii and have had it on standby mode the 3rd light is always lite up green meaning that something is connected to it. So wouldn't that mean that the wii is connected the whole time?

I dunno im little confused over this, anyone able to clear this up for me?

[ViPeR]

Indeed. Can't we just get the exact same team that made that to make a new one? :(

Nah makes too much sense. Nintendo = no logic.

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

Nah makes too much sense. Nintendo = no logic.

They work in mysterious ways. Like God.

[Helmsly]

Indeed. Can't we just get the exact same team that made that to make a new one? :(

I remember reading an interview with Miyamoto and he said how the original team where really deperate to work on another SF game but wanted them to do something different. ::shrug:


Edit- and old interveiw before SF Assault came out

[McMad]

I remember reading an interview with Miyamoto and he said how the original team where really deperate to work on another SF game but wanted them to do something different. ::shrug:


Edit- and old interveiw before SF Assault came out

Miyamoto's a dick if that's true, Lylat Wars was one of the best games ever, but still some decent multiplayer like in Assault is welcome as long as there's a great single player mode, with the map returning again.

[Atomic Boo]

"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever"

i used to think that, but they probably only delay games to translate into other languages before release so the gap between countries isnt too large and they may add a couple more parts to a level but hardly anything worth waiting 6 months for.

[Konfucius]

We are working on several Wi-Fi titles, each starring one of our key franchise characters. One or two Wi-Fi games will be ready for launch and I am pushing my team to make sure Smash Brothers is one of them. That way no matter where Reggie is, I can always beat him. well the Japanese got a Pokémon game for Wii that uses the DS servers. Not exactly what we were promised. And Smash Bros is pretty far away from being finished.

"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever"

Yeah absolutely agree with that.
However I was merely stating some facts, not my opinion - or at least I tried to.


As far as I know 360 uses IBM processors which actually are not made to run using the PC x86 . I think it was macs they were developing on?? werent the demos at one of the E3's running on macs and not 360's?

You're right. My bad :woops:

[Kurtle Squad]

Yeah absolutely agree with that.
However I was merely stating some facts, not my opinion - or at least I tried to.
Yeah, I know; I wasn't disagreeing, just making Nintendo's 'lie' more understandable.

[Maiky-NiSuTe]

i still mis the kock out games first secont and thirt party.... up to now i only play wii sports.