New hints at Revolution graphics?

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In the current issue of the IGN mailbag there are quite a few interesting sentences concerning Revolution power:


"It doesn't really matter, though, because Too Human as Silicon Knights envisions it would not be possible on Revolution, both because Nintendo's console doesn't have the graphical horsepower of Xbox 360 and (more importantly) because Nintendo would be unwilling to fund such an epic trilogy." (answer why Too Human won't make it to the Revolution)


"In contrast, we are hearing early on that Revolution will not be as powerful as Xbox 360, which in turn makes it technically underpowered compared to PlayStation 3. We know this because both Nintendo and third parties have told us so." (question was about Nintendo being too conservative)


Alright first of all I must admit that I don't think that this text is a indicator for Revolution power. Matt was wrong so many times in the last few months it is hard to believe anything by now. Just for an example where is the announcement he promised? Why did he thought the Revolution won't be backwards compatible?

And Too Human from Sillicon Knights might probably run the Revolution aswell because the Unreal 3 engine looks great but it doesn't mean specs have to be somewhere in the skies. Moreover I believe Nintendo did simply not want the game at all. So far I have only seen CG renders and no real ingame graphic but time will surely tell.

To clear up I personally think that the Playstation 3 has the most resources in power over the next few years. At the start XBOX360 and PS3 are for me at the same level but after developers are used to more than one core games get prettier and prettier. Revolution will be in between of them compared by a HDTV image versus a Revolution 480p image.

[Stoof]

These are just speculations. I still believe that the Revolution will be just as pretty as the PS3, if not more prettier. That said, Iwata has implied this by saying he wasn't impressed with PS3's graphics. Possibly because they had about a gazillion GHz to work with, but if Nintendo can boast PS3 graphics with 4 Ghz, well, that's super!

[MunKy]

Does anybody remember when Too Human was coming out for GameCube? It was announced for PS1 first. Thats the first game Im aware of thats been announced for 3 different companies in three different generations.

[quich_delvyn]

rev graphics will be good. my stupid friend thinx those prerendered ps3 movies will be its play graphics

[Meo]

Yes, I don't think that the gap between the consoles will be THAT big, despite the commentaries of the so-called "inside-developers". Really, I don't think that the results will be very different between all consoles. Have Nintendo ever released a less powerful console than their competition? Until now, no. Tecnically, yes, Revolution might not have all "specs sheet" that PS3 & XBOX360 have, but still, Revolution will give fight to these consoles. Gamecube had lower specs than Xbox, but still, I haven't seen a Resident Evil 4 on a Xbox.
In the end, it all comes to efficiency.

And there is another keyword associated to Revolution: HDTV (ehr....or lack of :D). This single detail alone tells us that we won't be able see diferences between all consoles on a normal TV, at least, for a while. And honestly, do Sony and Microsoft think that HDTV will become an industry standard in the next 5/6 years. I know I won't be buying one... They are beeing to much egocentric, at least. 480p is enough for me and for most people. This mesure only raises the manufacturing price, and we, consumers, will feel this on our pockets.

But I don't think technical specs are going to be Nintendo's biggest challenge. Their biggest challenge is marketing. Anyone who has been atentive about this industry surely knows that marketing is a company's best friend. Look what it is has done for Sony. Ps2 is the most underpowered & developer-unfriendly console in the market, and yet, most people percieve ps2 as the "most powaful console" in the market. Nintendo has to make their products desirable, just like sony does with their gadgets. For now, it seems that Nintendo is learning their lesson with a great, "high-tech" like design of Revolution.

Yes, I don't think the Revolution will be as powerful as the others consoles (even Nintendo has said that) But this generation, the battle will be a different one, since you won't be able to tell diferences in visuals. Strangely, it won't be a technical one. It will be Inovation vs. Evolution. And I think we know what console will start with an advantage...:D:D:D

[peterl0]

I was under the impression that the announcement Matt was referring to was the TGS one about the controller - he just din't know when it would happen.

Also: Nintendo have released an underpowered console (sort of) - the DS. I know that it was not supposed to directly compete for the same markert as the PSP but that is what Nintendo want for the Revolution anyway.

[Keit]

I doubt the Revolution will be a graphical monster, I think it will be technically weaker than the Xbox 360 in many aspects. _But_, we've all seen what the "weak" Gamecube can do if we look at Resident Evil 4, the graphics in that one is awesome. So I think it very much depends on the developer how well they optimize the games and stuff.

One more thing, Nintendo have theyself said that they aim the console to the major public, so I think they want to push the price as much as they can.

[Syxoed]

I agree with you Meo, just spend millions in marketing, and if done correctly it'll pay back in sales.

[Bowser57]

rev graphics will be good. my stupid friend thinx those prerendered ps3 movies will be its play graphics

His name doesn't begin with a C and end in a hoze does it?

[DCK]

As long as it's good I don't mind.

[kav82]

Even the PS2 and Res Evil 4 graphics are great!

I never thought they would've managed to pull those graphics out of the bag for the drastically weak PS2, but they did!

Rev will not be as powerful, yes, but I'd guess it'll have pretty much just as decent graphics!

[Shazman]

of course the RE4 graphics for PS2 are great but when compared to the GC version you can see the many downgrades, in all the GC version is superior.

Anyway im expecting REV graphics to be near the XBXO 360

[Big Red]

i thought most of the time it was nintendo that gets the lighting effects so close to reality that it over shadowed the the weaker engine nonsens and showed the compertision whos boss

[Pit-Jr]

Yeah really, i know it sounds cliche', but it really is more about art direction and frame-rate as opposed to horsepower. Just look at Wind Waker, Resi 4, and even Paper Mario 2. They all have distinct art direction, no jaggies, and they all look and play like butter, fluid movement with no slowdown. If the Rev is only 3 or 4 times as powerful as Cube, as has been said, i can live with that.

[Shazman]

It was said that the statement of REV being 3-4 times more powerful than GC was totally fake, so disregard that statement

[Hellfire]

I dont remember SK saying that Rev wasntpowerful enough, just that Nintendo didnt support big budget games and stuff like that. Still, its certain that Revo will be less powerful theoratically, but pratically things might be different.

[MonkeyPunch]

You people are in denial.

[ViPeR]

I guess i'm the only one who couldn't give a shit about the graphics anymore...

[monkeyDluffy]

off topic a bit, but i'm more concerned about the next gen game prices, cause the 360 games are going to be £50 each, will the rev games follow suit? cause I can't afford £50 or even £40 per game, in fact £30's pushing it at the moment. Please nintendo stick with £40 rrp, so you can sell shit loads:)

[kav82]

I guess i'm the only one who couldn't give a shit about the graphics anymore...

surely you care on some level though! They do add a large amount of atmosphere to a game!

imagine Ocarina of Time with "flat" colours and stick men, it wouldn't quite be the game it was, it'd be missing some of the "magic" the graphics gave it! Even more so, imagine Wind Waker with stickmen graphics!

I do care about the graphics but not to a huge extent, Res Evil 4 par graphics will do me fine, you can't add much more atmosphere than what those graphics delivered!

[Shenlong]

Well i dunno MGS4, which was apparently all running in real time looked amazing and really carried that war feeling, i mean granted i haven't played many games in war scenarios so don't know what the current games offer, i was pretty amazed with MGS4 - but then again the dynamic camera and such probably won't be in the actual game but still the level of detail was out there.

[Haakon]

Nintendo already accepted that the Revo will be weaker, just look at the size of that thing, it can be more powerful at that size without getting hot as hell (the cube looks gigantic compared to the revo) and about Iwata not surprised about PS3 graphics I don't care, MGS4 in real time looked awesome.

And about a Miyamoto comment, if he thinks that Kameo or Gears of War don't look superior to Twilight Princess, we have a bunch of blind Nintendo executives, so again: I don't care.

[Shyguy]

nintendo state that the new zelda will "look" beautiful and there not on about the gfx, there talking about the style of art in the game like wind waker to me was visually stunning look at killer 7 "VIEWtiful Joe" jes shows cel shaded can work wonders if used in the right games

[ViPeR]

surely you care on some level though! They do add a large amount of atmosphere to a game!

imagine Ocarina of Time with "flat" colours and stick men, it wouldn't quite be the game it was, it'd be missing some of the "magic" the graphics gave it! Even more so, imagine Wind Waker with stickmen graphics!

I do care about the graphics but not to a huge extent, Res Evil 4 par graphics will do me fine, you can't add much more atmosphere than what those graphics delivered!

Let me rephrase then, I stopped caring about graphics once I saw what the supposed next-gen was capable of. There was no "wow" factor, it was just like... "Cool that looks nice, next". I'd be content if it was just the graphics from this gen as long as the gameplay was good.

[kav82]

Let me rephrase then, I stopped caring about graphics once I saw what the supposed next-gen was capable of. There was no "wow" factor, it was just like... "Cool that looks nice, next". I'd be content if it was just the graphics from this gen as long as the gameplay was good.

ha ha, I'm sorry for being an astute ass!

I know what you mean though, as good as Gears of War is graphically, I'd still say from what I've seen Res Evil 4 got the same amount of atmosphere through the graphics as that does!

Like I've said before, I just imagine the games to look as good as Res Evil 4 minimum!

[Hostile]

Let me rephrase then, I stopped caring about graphics once I saw what the supposed next-gen was capable of. There was no "wow" factor, it was just like... "Cool that looks nice, next". I'd be content if it was just the graphics from this gen as long as the gameplay was good.

Very agreed. Graphics have stopped wowing me.

[monkeyDluffy]

well if res 4 had higher res textures it would probably look next gen anyway and with even better lighting it would look mightly nice:)

[The fish]

Just one thing guys... 4 or 5 times RE4 or metroid prime is not bad in any way, so stop moaning that the revolution wont be any good graphicly

[Shyguy]

iwata said revolution will make u say WOW why cant we just trust the man!

[Stocka]

iwata said revolution will make u say WOW why cant we just trust the man!
Yeah, and I'm sure if Rev's graphics were to look worse than 360's we wouldn't say WOW

[DCK]

Sounds to me that Matt Cassamina has chatted with some industry insiders and has drawn his own conclusions. Of course Too Human would be able to run on the Revolution, else it would be underpowered really badly, and that can't happen. As Iwata said 'I don't think Revolution graphics will be inferior in any way.' Sure, it might be weaker, but the gap won't be big.

[mario114]

I am sure we will all be pleasantly supprissed as ninty would say. I am not to concerned as i dough there will be much of a differnce between the top 3.

[Gaijin von Snikbah]

This is not surprising. Nintendo is more interested in keeping the Revo within a certain pricepoint, than going berserk with specs. I dont think higher specs equals better games.

Games will be just as great or greater on the Revolution, even without monster specs.

Specs will be more like todays best home computers I think.

[The-Ironflame]

To be honest it won't be quite as good as the 360 at the same time I don't think you will see much of a difference, the next gen consoles will be able to use higher textures and effects of course but I doubt it'll be such a giant leap.
What we need Nintendo to do first is to get some decent games out that will make use the Rev controllers functions to it's best, the specs are the least important thing right now.

Plus they need to make it affordable, buying a high range computer right now costs tons and so would a console with high specs as they would need to make some kind of profit just for manufacturing a machine of that kind of power, so I wouldn't pay more than £300 for the next gen consoles.

[Woz]

remember, the revolution will be at least 6 months behind the 360, you can do alot in 6 months....

[Pestneb]

Just one thing guys... 4 or 5 times RE4 or metroid prime is not bad in any way, so stop moaning that the revolution wont be any good graphicly

2 times isn't bad either.
also, when was the cube released? 2001 wasn't it? every 2 years power doubles, basically.
so, 2003 revolution would be double, 2005 it could be four times, 2007 it would be 8 times as good.
at the very very least I expect the graphics to be twice as good, ie even looking in say a monkey ball game not seeing the polygons etc.
but then that relies on enough poly's being used.
unless(until?) gaming expands by a factor of 2/4 this coming generation there's little point in the next next gen.

[Big Red]

To be honest it won't be quite as good as the 360 at the same time I don't think you will see much of a difference, the next gen consoles will be able to use higher textures and effects of course but I doubt it'll be such a giant leap.
What we need Nintendo to do first is to get some decent games out that will make use the Rev controllers functions to it's best, the specs are the least important thing right now.

Plus they need to make it affordable, buying a high range computer right now costs tons and so would a console with high specs as they would need to make some kind of profit just for manufacturing a machine of that kind of power, so I wouldn't pay more than £300 for the next gen consoles.


wow £300 squid ther would be no way i pay £300 squid for a console not now not ever these next gen machines may have more power and technolage but thats why phones arnt bricks any more because the hard wear and soft wear is a lot chaper to produce for around the same price so for £300 i would rather buy a pc to spec and have more power especialy if its the sex box
i was lookin to buy :heh:

[gorrit]

All this times the graphics makes no sense IMO. How the *beep* do you calculate how many times some graphics are better then the other? Polygon count (but in many cases, that's just wrong) etc... I just can't take a screen and imagine 2 times the better graphics, it makes no sense in my mind.

[The-Ironflame]

wow £300 squid ther would be no way i pay £300 squid for a console not now not ever these next gen machines may have more power and technolage but thats why phones arnt bricks any more because the hard wear and soft wear is a lot chaper to produce for around the same price so for £300 i would rather buy a pc to spec and have more power especialy if its the sex box
i was lookin to buy :heh:

What on earth are you on about I was just saying more than £300 is a bit too much for a console, people buy consoles because it's cheaper, affordable and relatively easy to use even if you're not technically aware.
£300+ isn't overly expensive but at most they should be £200 with accessories or £250 with accessories, an extra controller and a game.
PC's are more expensive but you can do alot more of course I like consoles but there is a limit to how much I pay for a PC or for a console.